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@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 08:28 AM)

Is there an English equivalent for what we Germans call "deductions in the B rating"? Context: Someone did something and suceeded on a technical level (as in, achieved the intended goal), but failed to some degree in the details, i.e. there was some collateral damage, or while a technical success, the end result is an aestetic failure. It can be used highly ironically, as in "barely achieved the intended goal, but failed so much in every aspect that's not purely technical that it might as well be considered an utter failure altogether." The German term is derived from the old judging syste in figure skating, which gave separate ratings for "technical merit" and "presentation", with the latter being the origin of the German term.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 November 2019 - 02:32 AM)

Huh. I did not know before today that "medieval" had an alternate spelling "mediaeval". Like "paleontology" and "palaeontology".

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 November 2019 - 04:15 PM)

'Beast Wars in underrated' the comment went. I exploded.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:19 PM)

Absolutely.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

So... you can look like a cop from the 70's AND a huge nerd at the same time?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:09 PM)

I feel like the best way to carry the Switch would be an under-arm torso holster.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 12:31 PM)

It's not. hell. If the 3DS zelda case just stretched a LITTLE more it would fit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 November 2019 - 03:38 AM)

I feel like the Switch Lite is a bit big to have hanging on your belt like that, but I don't take my Switch out with me often anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 01:13 AM)

I must be the only one who wants a switch lite case with a belt loop. o.O

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2019 - 03:03 PM)

I'm gonna have "Chainsaw Buffet" and "Candy For the Cannibal" by Lordi playing in my head all night.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Trick or treaters can only consent to cannibalism in Germania.

@  Sabrblade : (07 November 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Hey, if the trick or treaters can't take some loving insults, that's their problem.

@  Arazyr : (07 November 2019 - 11:39 AM)

Just make sure to put the leftovers in the fridge, so they don't get spoiled.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 11:10 AM)

I love children... but I can never eat a whole one.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 November 2019 - 09:52 AM)

I can neither confirm nor deny this allegation.

@  Paladin : (07 November 2019 - 09:46 AM)

...you don't roast the trick or treaters, do you....

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:38 AM)

A cold beer, a warm fire, some smores and trick or treaters... Man, you got this life thing down.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

That actually sounds pretty awesome.

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:59 AM)

we'll move to the open garage if it's raining

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:58 AM)

every Halloween since we got a house, TMM and I chill in the driveway with a fire bowl and roast things while handing out candy. It's pretty great.

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 November 2019 - 03:42 AM)

Peter Cullen voiced King Kong let that sink in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:42 PM)

I've noticed that after a year or two, though, people with children will start getting into it for their kids

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:41 PM)

I think a lot of the decline you see in Halloween is due to newcomers to Canada who don't really get it... I mean,there are only a handful of countries in the world that practice this particular oddity

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (06 November 2019 - 12:29 PM)

I recently attended a talk on Samhain and its associated mythology by a professor from Limerick.

@  Otaku : (06 November 2019 - 11:49 AM)

Trunk or Treats have become more popular because it is supposed to be safer, and even if it isn't, it just tends to be easier for the Trick-or-Treaters.

@  wonko the sane? : (06 November 2019 - 11:00 AM)

That's okay: between ever more extreme weather, ever more violent society, and general paranoia of parents: halloweens not doing to well out here either.

@  Anonymous X : (06 November 2019 - 09:30 AM)

We used to have Bonfire Night here in the UK as our thing instead of Halloween... It's withered away for the most part. Halloween used to be the strange American tradition you knew of from ET or various cartoons

@  TheMightyMol... : (06 November 2019 - 06:33 AM)

So that's why I never get invited anywhere.

@  Otaku : (05 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

@Bass X0 Are we talking about the quality of the costumes or their subject matter?  The former is a natural result of cosplay growing less and less niche over the decades.  The latter isn't new; mass produced stuff is at least as old as you or I and are we sure no one dressed as a cowboy or astronaut or whatever in the 1950's?  Monsters weren't allowed at certain parties, strange as it sounds. XP

@  Benbot : (05 November 2019 - 12:23 PM)

is the quick reply broken for anyone else or is it just me?


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#1 TFDoc

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Posted 23 June 2006 - 04:44 AM

A couple shots of my beloved Micros rolling out in their respective Divisions. I'm sure it's obvious what is what, but I won't feel right unless I include a little minutia. And yes, I know I should have taken the boxes down from my Hi-Lofts before I took the low angle shot.

Note: This is pre-Botcon 05, the numbers are higher now in all Divisions, here I will be listing my current numbers, and at some later date will do a new photo(and I hpoe the numbers will be even higher by then).

Dimensions: My Convoy Cabinette-top is 15 inches wide, 116 inches long and 59 inches high(great for standing angles/perspectives)

Left to right: Military Division, 2nd Platoon(37 Bots), 911 Division(40 Bots), Highway Division(57 Bots), Space Division(37 Bots), Constuction Division(53 Bots), All Terrain Division(41 Bots), Military Division, 1st Platoon(37 Bots) and overhead, Air Division(47 Bots, possibly 48, if I induct/draft/allow LOC Jetfire).

Led, of course, by Optimus Prime, who is flanked by his two top officers: His second in command, Jazz, and his chief advisor/sidekick/conscience, Bumble Bee.



You'll note that the Miltary Division(total 74 bots) is split into 1st and 2nd Platoons to protect the convoy, and that the Air Division is also in a low flying protection pattern.



The one Division not shown is the recently sanctioned Engineering Division(19 bots), previously known unofficially as the city crew. It is made up of Micros with no vehilce mode(Nebulons etc) or Micros whose alt mode just doesn't fit into any Division for whatever reasons(the bike and 4-wheeler from Minicon Perceptor etc), they usually only appear in bot mode, working on this or calibrating that. They never leave the city, "Engineering Division" title or not, they are still the city crew. The Construction Division builds things, but these guys keep it all running. Anyway, I thought I would add another pic or two so as to show them also.



^There were around 320 Micros total at this point. Now the # is 366.^



^I believe that was the first day that they really became "The City Crew", I was getting a pic of all the Micros and they had to go somewhere. They weren't ratified as a Division yet, they didn't have a charter, but Spike being in the pic with the Division leaders is what sowed the seeds for the eventual sanctioning.



^There's Prime with the Executive Staff(his top two and the eight Division Commanders).^

NOTE: Without Spike, who already was and still is chief engineer, the other 7 Division Commanders were known as "The Council of Seven". They governed the surviving Cybertronians after what came to be known as "The Arrival". They oversaw the designing and building of the planet New Cybertron, their mecha-sun "Sol-Tron" and the greatest, strongest and most beautiful city ever raised by man, bot or beast...., Cybertropolis. The Seven lead the TFs for ages before Prime returned to them, appearing suddenly out of the void, himself not knowing how he came there. He was offered the mantle of command on the spot, but he was quite reticent about it for some time, which was oddly ominous, for when he did accept command, it turned out to be the begining of the end of the 'Golden Age" of New Cybertron.(see: The History of New Cybertron, last 2 volumes) But that's a story for another time, about which, coincidentally, I just recieved some pertinent information recently extracted from the reverse-flux time bouy from which came the original copy of the enigmatic poem "A Statue of Optimus Prime", but again, I digress.



Enjoy the pics. I've got plans for more pics and blather some other time, maybe if you like the pics, you'll tolerate the blather.

And HOORAY for the return of The Allspark. Kalidor.., You d' Bot!


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Edited by TFDoc, 26 June 2006 - 02:54 PM.

The Universe gives, but exacts it's own cost

in promised potential and paradise lost


Electro-mechanical hearts still can break

with the loss of a hero, and the hope he can take


"Statue and Darkness"
(1st 2 stanzas of the prelude to part 7 - "Gone")

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Posted 23 June 2006 - 07:52 AM

*BUMP*

Got distracted for few hours but I'm back. There are a few more pics and some valuable info on the thread now.
The Universe gives, but exacts it's own cost

in promised potential and paradise lost


Electro-mechanical hearts still can break

with the loss of a hero, and the hope he can take


"Statue and Darkness"
(1st 2 stanzas of the prelude to part 7 - "Gone")

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Posted 23 June 2006 - 01:40 PM

I'm going to kill you. So I can take all your Transformers. Just giving you fair warning.

Also, glad to see Stakeout on the front row in his division.

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Posted 23 June 2006 - 01:42 PM

Truly a beautiful tiny army.

And it pleases me that Erector is in the front row of his division as well.

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Posted 23 June 2006 - 05:44 PM

QUOTE(Andrusi @ Jun 23 2006, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm going to kill you. So I can take all your Transformers. Just giving you fair warning.

Also, glad to see Stakeout on the front row in his division.



OK, you can kill me, but PLEASE, make it clean and quick so you don't get any blood on the MIcros. One easy way to off the Ol' Doc is to show me the rest of the original Arkonaughts in WST form. I'm sure I would fall right over cold with a big stupid grin frozen on my face for eternity.

And Stakeout is a cool Bot. He's always been one of my faves. He was Top Cop until WST Prowl hit the streets. He also held another honor, he is the tallest of the G1 Micromasters. The long arm, John Law, the heat. He has protected and served my micros and myself since the 80's. (I love the 80's)

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The Universe gives, but exacts it's own cost

in promised potential and paradise lost


Electro-mechanical hearts still can break

with the loss of a hero, and the hope he can take


"Statue and Darkness"
(1st 2 stanzas of the prelude to part 7 - "Gone")

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Posted 23 June 2006 - 05:54 PM

Those lines of Minicons... so straight and unwavering. Those tiny threadds holding those small toys aloft...

I thought you might appreciate seeing how I display my Minicons...



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Posted 23 June 2006 - 06:03 PM

QUOTE(crazyjw18 @ Jun 23 2006, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Truly a beautiful tiny army.

And it pleases me that Erector is in the front row of his division as well.



Yeah, Erector has aleays been ranked very high in the divisions in general. In the early days, when he was hot off the shelf, he was chosen as leader of the fledgeling Construction Division. Him in the middle and the four origianls on the sides made a great Micro-scene. But along the way he prefered to be able to concentrate on his work without the mantle of command. So the leadership was handed back to Neutro, the original leader, and has been so for time immeasurable.

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QUOTE(MightyMegs @ Jun 23 2006, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Those lines of Minicons... so straight and unwavering. Those tiny threadds holding those small toys aloft...

I thought you might appreciate seeing how I display my Minicons...




MMMMMM! Me Grimlock LOVE Micromaster casserole! MUNCH!!!
The Universe gives, but exacts it's own cost

in promised potential and paradise lost


Electro-mechanical hearts still can break

with the loss of a hero, and the hope he can take


"Statue and Darkness"
(1st 2 stanzas of the prelude to part 7 - "Gone")

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Posted 23 June 2006 - 06:06 PM

Is that Energon Unicron... EATING those minicons?

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Posted 23 June 2006 - 06:23 PM

Awesome collection Doc, didn't know Micro's could look so good icon-ironhide.gif

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Posted 23 June 2006 - 07:10 PM

QUOTE(TFDoc @ Jun 23 2006, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And Stakeout is a cool Bot. He's always been one of my faves. He was Top Cop until WST Prowl hit the streets. He also held another honor, he is the tallest of the G1 Micromasters. The long arm, John Law, the heat. He has protected and served my micros and myself since the 80's. (I love the 80's)

He's really the tallest Micromaster? I figured I just didn't have the guy who was taller than him. >_> But yes, Stakeout is of awesome.

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 06:10 AM

QUOTE(Andrusi @ Jun 23 2006, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(TFDoc @ Jun 23 2006, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And Stakeout is a cool Bot. He's always been one of my faves. He was Top Cop until WST Prowl hit the streets. He also held another honor, he is the tallest of the G1 Micromasters. The long arm, John Law, the heat. He has protected and served my micros and myself since the 80's. (I love the 80's)

He's really the tallest Micromaster? I figured I just didn't have the guy who was taller than him. >_> But yes, Stakeout is of awesome.



Yes, Stakeout is the tallest of the original G1 US Micromasters. I know because I stood them all face to face long ago to determine that very thing. The shortest is Phaser.


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QUOTE(StarScreamZX @ Jun 23 2006, 07:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Awesome collection Doc, didn't know Micro's could look so good icon-ironhide.gif


At Botcon 05 I was wearing a t-shirt with the second picture on it and the caption was "ROLL OUT!"

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The Universe gives, but exacts it's own cost

in promised potential and paradise lost


Electro-mechanical hearts still can break

with the loss of a hero, and the hope he can take


"Statue and Darkness"
(1st 2 stanzas of the prelude to part 7 - "Gone")

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 06:13 AM

It's interesting how well Minicons, Micromasters, Micromaster 6 team members, Micromaster Combiners and WST's all blend in with each other so well.

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Posted 25 June 2006 - 11:31 PM

QUOTE(Mighty Maximal @ Jun 24 2006, 07:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's interesting how well Minicons, Micromasters, Micromaster 6 team members, Micromaster Combiners and WST's all blend in with each other so well.



You know it, Max. When Armada first hit and I seen my first Minicon icon-silverbolt.gif I could barely believe that there were going to be new Micros after all of the years. I couldn't wait to get some of them home and compare them to my MMs. But that was really nothing compared to the unparalleled ecstasy I experienced when I first seen the WSTs. At long last, some of my favorite Arkonaughts in micro-size.

Minicons are a little bigger than MMs in general, and WSTs are a little smaller but the difference is totally negligible. I am so thankful that they are all close enough in size so as to give me the opportunity amass a Micro Army of this size.

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The Universe gives, but exacts it's own cost

in promised potential and paradise lost


Electro-mechanical hearts still can break

with the loss of a hero, and the hope he can take


"Statue and Darkness"
(1st 2 stanzas of the prelude to part 7 - "Gone")

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 12:16 AM

...Awesome, man, I really gotta break down and get some of the Micros I've had my eyes on online. And seeing the WSTs essentially for the first time today just reinforces my desire for Legends of Cybertron to continue into Classics, only with micro versions of G1 characters...

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 05:45 AM

I will eventually get around to taking current collection photos that will include my sizable Botcon haul and a fairly fruitful collecting year since, but for now here is the last batch I took. And I'll even give everyone a break and not include a ton of blather.

NOTE: I neglected to get my box of comics in the shoot. I think I have about 120.










































There is my first shot at documenting my collection.

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The Universe gives, but exacts it's own cost

in promised potential and paradise lost


Electro-mechanical hearts still can break

with the loss of a hero, and the hope he can take


"Statue and Darkness"
(1st 2 stanzas of the prelude to part 7 - "Gone")

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 05:56 AM

Cool!
Seems like an odd way of displaying them, you seem to have it kinda symmetrical at some points but all the different lines and factions are mized togther.
I like seeing tons of Micromasters.

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 02:06 PM

I'm in the middle of a total redesign/reconstuction of Cybertropolis, the Construction and Engineering Divisions have been working 24/7, but it's the most ambitious project ever undertaken in the history of the city is and taking a while to come to fruition. The new design will include 11 major additions: G1 Scorponok, Star Convoy, 2002 New Years OP trailer, G2 OP trailer, Energon OP trailer x 2, Tidalwave and Shockwave in fan/base modes, CD Red alert in my own rocket-base mode, CD Scattorshot in fan/base mode and a second Skyhopper, plus, the Space Center on top of Mt. Primus will now include the entire fleet of recently completed Mega-Transports(a fleet of spaceships that are so massive as to convey the entrie population of New Cybertron, and much supplies and materials, across the Universe, if they find a way out of the void or are forced to leave). I'm not sure at this point when the project will be finished, so in the mean time here is a layout of the city as it originally stood when Prime first appeared out of the void and looked upon New Cybertron.

Warning: The new layout, when posted, will include tons of minutia, details about details, blah-blah-blahing and lots good old fashioned blather, but I'll give you all a break and go light on that here. Your welcome.(LOL)

Enjoy the pics.



Cybertropolis as seen if approaching from the south. Snugged up against the south side of the mighty Mt. Primus.



My favorite TF photo I've ever taken. Optimus Prime in all his glory!



Space Center West.



Space Center East



Inside "The Cave" west. A cave in the side of Mt. Primus so huge it holds power plants, generators, energon storage and airfields, all nearly invulnerable to attack inside the gigantic impact crater in the side of the mountain. The planes are even safer stored beneath the airfields, deep in the "subcave" levels.



Inside The Cave east.
NOTE: The large red and grey structures aren't just energy conduits and elevators up to the Space Center, if you notice they are also solar power collectors. They get mecha-sun most of the day because they face south(they actually DO face directly south, just like my garage door).




The Gates of Cybertropolis(aka the South Gate or Main Gate), also seen on the lower right is the Police Gate.



A peek over "The Gates" from orbit.



Another sattelite photo of the hub of the city.



The Eastside, and the East Gate in the lower right-hand corner.



The West Gate, and the Military Gate in the lower right hand corner.



The Westside.



Prime meeting with his Senior Staff: Jazz, his second in command, Bumblebee, his advisor/sidekick/conscience, and the Division Commanders, also know as "The Council of Seven", "The Seven" or "The Council", who governed New Cyberetron through the millinia before Prime's return.



The Gates of Cybertropolis flung wide! Prime with a few special friends.


Well that's the old Cybertropolis. The new city is rising as fast as can be facilitated. The scope of the project is staggering. The scheduling, the materials, right of way conficts, construcion priorities, previosly unused and untested systems and implacements. But inspite of all the difficulties, Cybertropolis is taking it's new shape, day by day. I'm certain, as Neutro and Spike have assured me, within a few weeks the new face of Cybertropolis will be complete, and revealed for all to see.


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Edited by TFDoc, 27 June 2006 - 02:45 AM.

The Universe gives, but exacts it's own cost

in promised potential and paradise lost


Electro-mechanical hearts still can break

with the loss of a hero, and the hope he can take


"Statue and Darkness"
(1st 2 stanzas of the prelude to part 7 - "Gone")

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 02:13 PM

I merged the posts to keep all the photos in one place, plus I added this to the stickied Collection thread up to. Nice sets!

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 02:38 PM

awesome!!!!
makes me want to collect all the smALL TRANSFORMERS!!!!

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 05:39 PM

TFDoc makes me cry and jealous.

I don't condone murder or stealing but damn... thats the collection many of us would do anything for.

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