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@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 03:42 PM)

Another great 90's animated film is, of course, The Iron Giant.

@  RichardT1977 : (26 March 2017 - 03:25 PM)

Another thing I liked about The Prince of Egypt was that it explained (without even having to say it outright) why Moses was chosen to deliver the Israelites from Egypt. Someone who had been raised among the slaves would have had too much bitterness and would want to go in throwing the wrath of God on all the Egyptians (or at least the royal family) until they all burned alive. But Moses had been raised as a member of the royal family, so he still thought of them as family. He wanted to reach a peaceful solution if at all possible.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 03:04 PM)

"I know! I'll turn him into a flea. A harmless little flea, and then I'll put that flea in a box, and then put that box inside of another box, and when it arrives - AHAHAHA! I'LL SMASH IT WITH A HAMMAH! It's brilliant, brilliant, BRILLIANT, I tell you! Genius, I say!"

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 03:03 PM)

Hell, The Emperor's New Groove is easily the funniest animated film ever. Disney managed to do what Dreamworks tried to do, and they did it right.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 03:02 PM)

None of their "funny" movies are anywhere near as funny as Aladdin or The Emperor's New Groove.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 03:02 PM)

Its a pity Dreamworks devolved into a company that churned out "funny" films filled with pop culture references.

@  RichardT1977 : (26 March 2017 - 03:00 PM)

(also at the end of that scene, the camera pans up from the Egyptian skyline to the night sky and the most prominent constellation is Orion. Which the Egyptians associated with Osiris)

@  RichardT1977 : (26 March 2017 - 02:59 PM)

Yeah I give them full credit for treating the Last Plague with all the solemness it deserves.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 02:59 PM)

It freed the Israelites, but Moses sure hated seeing what it did to his brother and all the normal non-slave owning people who didn't do anything wrong to the Israelites.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 02:58 PM)

And it actually portrays God murdering children as a tragic thing, something most other adaptations disturbingly don't do.

@  RichardT1977 : (26 March 2017 - 02:57 PM)

So that what He told Moses becomes, "I'll lay the smackdown on Egypt, but I should warn you it's only gonna make Rameses dig in his heels more until I have no choice but to break him fully."

@  RichardT1977 : (26 March 2017 - 02:56 PM)

It also describes the "hardening of the Pharoah's heart" as his natural reaction to the plagues rather than an intentional mental override by God.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 02:54 PM)

Hell, it actually portrays the Plagues as something that's bad and treats most of the Egyptian people as not deserving that shit. "All the innocent who suffer from your stubbornness and pride" and all that.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 02:53 PM)

I'm a Christian, but Prince of Egypt is one of the few religious movies I'll willingly watch, because it's actually good instead of being self-rightous preachy nonsense, batshit crazy propaganda or schmaltzy trash. It also has a great soundtrack with music that I actually put up there with some of Disney's best stuff.

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 02:45 PM)

Dreamworks's best movies will always be the Dragons movies and The Prince of Egypt.

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 March 2017 - 02:40 PM)

Usually I'm willing to give animated films a go, but I have to agree this looked pretty terrible and I had no desire to see it

@  Patchouli Kn... : (26 March 2017 - 02:40 PM)

So it's the new "Bee Movie?"

@  Evac : (26 March 2017 - 02:16 PM)

Calling it now: it'll be a meme in ten years.

@  Paladin : (26 March 2017 - 02:07 PM)

every single person who said "yes" to BOSS BABY should be smacked. repeatedly. with adamantium.

@  MEDdMI : (26 March 2017 - 06:02 AM)

Yeah, I don't sync my Twitter since it's irrelevant to a TF forum and sometimes NSFW.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 March 2017 - 06:00 AM)

Ah, okay. I... don't know if that's a good idea or not. I post a lot of cats.

@  MEDdMI : (26 March 2017 - 05:50 AM)

I believe it will auto post anything you put on Twitter/Facebook to the Status section on the main forum page?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 March 2017 - 05:41 AM)

And I totally miss Krispy Kreme. I mean, they're still around here, but nowhere I don't have to go well out of my way for any more. =(

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 March 2017 - 05:40 AM)

"i think you can sync profiles from both to this site." Not clear on what that means.

@  MEDdMI : (26 March 2017 - 05:04 AM)

:D I'm glad I have people and sheep who are willing to eat doughnuts for me.

@  Bass X0 : (26 March 2017 - 04:48 AM)

YOU'RE ALREADY CRAZY, MR. "I AM SHRAPNEL, DECEPTICON HERO"!!

@  Waspinator : (26 March 2017 - 04:45 AM)

DON'T MIND IF I DO

@  WorkbenchManiac : (26 March 2017 - 04:07 AM)

Go crazy?

@  Waspinator : (26 March 2017 - 03:31 AM)

No TV and no beer make Homer something something

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 March 2017 - 02:18 AM)

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding.

@  Foffy the Sheep : (26 March 2017 - 01:27 AM)

Then again, I'd hate to fill up on Krispy Kremes right before dinner. What if I just bite his face off instead?

@  Foffy the Sheep : (26 March 2017 - 12:49 AM)

Yup.

@  OrionPax44 : (26 March 2017 - 12:48 AM)

MED has a fool proof protection plan. Foffy and I will eat all the Krispy Kreme donuts that stand in here way. Right Foffy?

@  Telly : (26 March 2017 - 12:08 AM)

*throws a krispy kreme* bite that! :p

@  Foffy the Sheep : (25 March 2017 - 11:59 PM)

Anyone who was going to try use MED's weaknessses against her would have to go through me first. And I'm warning you, I bite.

@  Telly : (25 March 2017 - 11:17 PM)

we now know meddmis weakness *rubs hands together sinisterly*

@  MEDdMI : (25 March 2017 - 04:44 PM)

My friends and I sold them in college for fundraising. We often had boxes of them sitting around. I can still smell them. I won't be touching them again unless I'm forced to.

@  OrionPax44 : (25 March 2017 - 02:37 PM)

I love love love the hot Krispy Kreme donuts. They opened one in my area and for the first few weeks there was a line out the door of people waiting for hot donuts.

@  wonko the sane? : (25 March 2017 - 02:33 PM)

OFF WITH HIS HEAD! Whoa... okay, that was a total over reaction. What I meant to say was... OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!

@  D Immortalis : (25 March 2017 - 12:52 PM)

honestly i'm not much of fan of Krispy Kreme.

@  Hg Dragon : (25 March 2017 - 12:11 PM)

Who DOESN'T want Krispy Kreme?!?!

@  Noideaforaname : (25 March 2017 - 11:12 AM)

Diabetes? Pftt. I'm a survivor!

@  wonko the sane? : (25 March 2017 - 11:04 AM)

But diabetes tastes so goooodddd....

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 March 2017 - 09:06 AM)

Nah, I can do without diabetes.

@  Bass X0 : (25 March 2017 - 08:37 AM)

So... who wants Krispy Kreme donuts?

@  Paladin : (25 March 2017 - 06:50 AM)

i think you can sync profiles from both to this site.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 March 2017 - 05:04 AM)

So I'm looking around at my settings at the moment, and I'm noticing "Manage Facebook" and "Manage Twitter," but I have to log in with those to see anything. What do those offer?

@  Robowang : (24 March 2017 - 04:38 PM)

Thanks.

@  Jalaguy : (24 March 2017 - 03:38 PM)

A gun was definitely jumped, we'll make sure it doesn't happen again. Big apology to everyone who wanted to stay spoiler-free.

@  ▲ndrusi : (24 March 2017 - 03:08 PM)

Oh hey the news post in question turned up on my Tumblr dash, too. Thanks for that. Thanks a lot.


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#1641 Sean Whitmore

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 09:52 AM

This show drives me bugnuts insane each and every time Ollie breaks out the "do as I say, not as I do" no-killing speech.

This episode, he did it while the bodies were still burning in the wreckage of the helicopter he'd just shot down.

I'm actually fine with Oliver killing, I just can't stand the triteness of him doing so and then trying to convince others to "be better" than him.

(And no, self defense is not what marks the difference between what Ollie did and what he was trying to stop Tina from doing. It doesn't count as self defense if you go out looking for armed gunmen to fight)
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Posted 03 February 2017 - 12:33 AM

There's a difference between taking down people shooting at you during a firefight, and going after a particular person with solely for the purpose of killing them.

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Posted 03 February 2017 - 01:05 AM

As I said, when you're the one who starts the fight, that difference is just quibbling.


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Posted 03 February 2017 - 11:13 AM

As I said, when you're the one who starts the fight, that difference is just quibbling.

 

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Posted 03 February 2017 - 01:28 PM

Oliver doesn't seem to have much of a problem with Rene and Diggle shooting lots of people.


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Posted 03 February 2017 - 02:07 PM

Didn't like this episode simply because I feel this season's already stuffed with new characters, and I can't bring myself to care about a FOURTH Canary at this point.

That said, I really like Talia and hope to see more of her. Hope we see her and Nyssa team up at some point too.

Diggle being freed felt like a big anticlimax, but I guess getting Spartan back sooner is preferable to a bunch of courtroom scenes.

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Posted 03 February 2017 - 10:33 PM

Nyssa's actress is a regular on another show.  We may or may not get to see her again this season.


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Posted 03 February 2017 - 11:10 PM

This show drives me bugnuts insane each and every time Ollie breaks out the "do as I say, not as I do" no-killing speech.

This episode, he did it while the bodies were still burning in the wreckage of the helicopter he'd just shot down.

I'm actually fine with Oliver killing, I just can't stand the triteness of him doing so and then trying to convince others to "be better" than him.

(And no, self defense is not what marks the difference between what Ollie did and what he was trying to stop Tina from doing. It doesn't count as self defense if you go out looking for armed gunmen to fight)

 

There is a difference between killing in battle (i.e taking down the gang of a dangerous Drug Lord who instead of surrendering yelled "Kill them all!") and premeditated murder. That is what Ollie is trying to keep people (including himself) from doing. Ollie finally understands the difference (and understands that some people through their actions are so heinous that the only way to deal with them is to take the out with extreme prejudice).  


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Posted 09 February 2017 - 02:57 AM

Okay, so, who exactly was that talking with Susan Williams at the end?


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Posted 09 February 2017 - 05:30 AM

We don't know yet. Maybe Prometheus (unknown to her)?

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 07:15 AM

So far, he's just "guy who Susan hired to dig up dirt."  He's appeared before on the "What's Ollie really been doing?" subplot.

 

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 12:01 PM

Thanks.  It's hard to remember.  Her appearances are so short and sporadic.

 

I think it would be kind of cool if Talia was actually Prometheus (or at least directly trained him), taking revenge for Ollie screwing up the League of Assassins, and rejecting their teachings.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 01:51 AM

As much as this latest episode was a drawn out in-your-face gun PSA, Rene's backstory was handled well.


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If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 07:18 AM

I did like that they covered all the bases without forcing anyone into a position that was against their character (including having "I don't wanna talk about this issue" white privilege).  Also, it really didn't matter what side Oliver came down on, he'd be a hypocrite.  ;)

 

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:00 AM

In the span of a day, Oliver enacts gun control measures that everyone is cool with.  Possibly the most preposterous thing they've done in a season that's featured an alien armada and him finding a woman with the exact same name and powers as his dead lover.

 

Did Vigilante seem wounded at all in his short appearance?  I've been thinking for awhile that he's NOT Adrian, and this reinforces that for me.

 

Really weird that Ollie's reporter girlfriend dominates the topic of conversation in the opening, and is nowhere to be seen at the press conference.  This season is still struggling to juggle all the characters it has.  (Perhaps counter to that argument though, I miss Rory already, he was easily the most likable of the new team.)


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:37 AM

Did Vigilante seem wounded at all in his short appearance?

Not really. But then again, didn't move around that much, mostly just stood still and raised his arms to shoot his gun.


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If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 01:25 PM

Well, it seemed that everyone was cool with the law because it didn't really do anything.  All the Actual Law Stuff that people objected to during the episode was explicitly eliminated, and that doesn't leave a lot of ways it could actually control guns.  Of course, it was also unrealistic that the anti-gun-control councilwoman wasn't explicitly in the pocket of the NRA, and was merely acting out of personal convictions that she could waive because it would look bad to oppose the law.  In reality, they're a lot more cartoonishly over-the-top in refusing to consider anything that even resembles gun control.

 

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 04:33 PM

It seemed that the councilwoman backed off her objection to increased gun registration requirements in exchange for not altering the limits on what guns people could actually buy.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 11:39 PM

I will say that the climax, where you assume Oliver is going to show up to the hospital as Green Arrow, but instead he talks down the shooter, man to man, that was really well done.  I think the show had more to say in that moment than with all the repeated talking points we got through the rest of the hour.



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Posted 17 February 2017 - 01:53 PM

I wish they had actually elaborated on the magical gun control plan that everyone was happy with.  We could really use that.  Even the anti-gun-control Councilwoman approved of it without having time to actually read it.

 

Vigilante was definitely moving without the difficulty that Adrian was displaying moments before.  But this show isn't big on logical consistency.


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