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@  Waspinator : (21 August 2017 - 11:02 PM)

Thankfully, Dracula's castle didn't escape the eclipse this time.

@  Nevermore : (21 August 2017 - 09:41 PM)

In retaliation, President Trump threatens to nuke the moon.

@  Nevermore : (21 August 2017 - 09:40 PM)

This just in: ISIS claims responsibility for the eclipse.

@  Diecast : (21 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Which left like a hundred disappointed middle schoolers.

@  Diecast : (21 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Where I'm located got 95% eclipse. Which lacked a worthwhile climax. I really should have driven into it, but I planned on going to my science teacher wife's school thing that got cancelled last minute.

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 August 2017 - 03:44 PM)

I was considering trying to get the day off for it and driving down south to the US far enough that I could see the total eclipse, but after looking into it it seems like there's another total eclipse coming up in 2024 where the totality will be visible just 45 minutes south-west of me, so I figure I'll wait it out

@  Bass X0 : (21 August 2017 - 03:30 PM)

don't worry, social media didn't.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2017 - 02:59 PM)

shoot... I forgot all about the eclipse.

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 August 2017 - 02:36 PM)

lewd

@  Bass X0 : (21 August 2017 - 01:30 PM)

i wanted a peek at the sun's peak too.

@  Noideaforaname : (21 August 2017 - 01:02 PM)

Just caught a peak of the 'bitten' sun. COOL!!

@  Noideaforaname : (21 August 2017 - 12:46 PM)

I got my cereal box eclipse viewer ready. Hopefully these clouds part...

@  Dracula : (21 August 2017 - 09:44 AM)

well I'm supposed to be permanently sealed in a dimensional rift today so I've gotta stay on guard

@  Diecast : (21 August 2017 - 09:38 AM)

Any of you nerds going outside today?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 August 2017 - 07:52 AM)

"Would have been?" Isn't he still on the Batgirl thing?

@  unluckiness : (21 August 2017 - 07:46 AM)

It probably wouldn't be worse but it sure would have been really samey to everything else he's done.

@  Paladin : (21 August 2017 - 06:42 AM)

i am still not convinced he could do a worse job with Batgirl than Bruce Timm already did.

@  Pennpenn : (21 August 2017 - 03:42 AM)

The thing to remember about Madman is that they are often more enthusiastic than they are reliable.

@  2017 : (21 August 2017 - 12:01 AM)

Yeah, I'm pretty surprised.

@  Maruten : (20 August 2017 - 10:13 PM)

This stuff I think. http://www.vulture.c...-hypocrite.html

@  Confuzor : (20 August 2017 - 10:05 PM)

The what now?

@  2017 : (20 August 2017 - 09:39 PM)

This news about Joss Whedon sure was a thing to wake up to.

@  Sabrblade : (20 August 2017 - 06:59 PM)

To back up to the original question about Scramble City's existence in regards to the English-language cartoon continuity, the pack-in comic that came with the Australian DVD boxed set released by Madman did feature a timeline of events that included a point in history titles "Scramble City", so that comic may at least want us to "pretend" that Scramble City happened in the cartoon continuity. But then again, that same comic also used the Marvel Comics' asteroid crisis as the true reason for the Ark's launch, and included the Beast Wars as being unambiguously part of this timeline, so make of that comic's timeline what you will.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:16 AM)

And unlike Takara's JG1 that has been steadily evolving and passing itself down from writer to writer in more-or-less smooth transition, anyone going back now to Hasbro's G1 does feel a bit more like changing history rather than reviving or continuing it.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:11 AM)

Editors at Fun Pub didn't feel it was right to try to "fix" or otherwise change or alter other writers' works. Which is why everything Fun Pub-written became its own stream (Animated was written by the same creative team as the show, so it's one of the very few stories still set in its original continuity). So rather than write words into the original creative team's mouths, Wings only sought to offer one possible solution to the Constructicons weirdness.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 August 2017 - 08:24 PM)

Too bad there weren't that many Wings stories. On the other hand, JG1 is still continuing with stories!

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:10 PM)

Wings is obviously not cartoon continuity, but is heavily indebted to it.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Basically what my original point was that continuities based on the original cartoon but not actually a part of it have used what Pennpenn originally said.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:42 PM)

I get what you mean, but the wording is awful. It's not possible for Wings to "alter" or "destroy" something it was never part of, nor really interacted with.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:40 PM)

It didn't "alter the existing continuity". It's an entirely new one that left the cartoon's continuity exactly as it ever was.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 05:24 PM)

didn't it take the original cartoon continuity but change parts of it to make a new continuity? i said i'd have preferred it stayed within the original cartoon continuity instead of altering the existing continuity. thats what i would have done. stories would have been written around the existing stories.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 04:24 PM)

Wings can't "destroy it even further" when it was never the cartoon continuity in the first place.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:57 PM)

The problem is that it isn't really fixable without redoing it from the ground up. Or going into insane retcons and rewrites, which A) is about the same thing, and B) is kinda Takara's thing.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 03:22 PM)

I find its better to fix a broken continuity than to destroy it even further.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:06 PM)

The cartoon couldn't even stay consistent with the cartoon, so why worry when something else can't, either?

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 02:53 PM)

I never connected with the whole "Wings is similar to the cartoon continuity but several things are different" thing they had going on. they should really have done it so that it stayed in continuity with the cartoon but focused on the off-screen events prior, during and after the cartoon stories.

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 10:42 AM)

Not like it's ever relevant anyway.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 10:00 AM)

I mean, it doesn't make sense otherwise, regardless of how official particular fiction is.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 09:57 AM)

Wings is officially not really cartoon continuity, though.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 09:55 AM)

@Pennpenn: There is some fiction that does actually use the whole "they were rebuilt on Earth" explanation. The Fun Pub Wings stuff comes to mind.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 08:36 AM)

Oh absolutely

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 05:00 AM)

point is, the cartoon's continuity was hugged to begin with.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 03:53 AM)

My brain usually parses that as "Constructicons built him on contract or something so weren't evil then, and Megatron meant rebuilt in Heavy Metal War". Yeah it's a stretch, but whatever

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 03:16 AM)

Just like the evil constructicons built Megatron then turned good and then were robosmashed back to evil and then somehow built on Earth.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 August 2017 - 06:28 PM)

Though to be fair, Japanese continuity itself did not reconcile how Dinosaurer was destroyed in the 1980s and rebuilt in 2010 until the Unite Warriors manga of 2017.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 August 2017 - 05:45 PM)

Also, Scramble City has Trypticon in existence while the English version had Trypticon built in 2005 in season 3.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 August 2017 - 04:15 PM)

English and Japanese dubs of the cartoon are officially different continuities from each other, so...

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 04:07 PM)

Is Scramble City canon or in continuity with the U.S. 80s Transformers cartoon despite not being dubbed?

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 03:10 PM)

Make it a link instead of just pasting the URL.

@  Evac : (18 August 2017 - 02:56 PM)

If I could post youtube links without them becoming videos in the box, I'd link to the "parrot singing 'Let The Bodies Hit The Floor'" video.


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#1641 Sean Whitmore

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 09:52 AM

This show drives me bugnuts insane each and every time Ollie breaks out the "do as I say, not as I do" no-killing speech.

This episode, he did it while the bodies were still burning in the wreckage of the helicopter he'd just shot down.

I'm actually fine with Oliver killing, I just can't stand the triteness of him doing so and then trying to convince others to "be better" than him.

(And no, self defense is not what marks the difference between what Ollie did and what he was trying to stop Tina from doing. It doesn't count as self defense if you go out looking for armed gunmen to fight)
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Posted 03 February 2017 - 12:33 AM

There's a difference between taking down people shooting at you during a firefight, and going after a particular person with solely for the purpose of killing them.

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Posted 03 February 2017 - 01:05 AM

As I said, when you're the one who starts the fight, that difference is just quibbling.


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Posted 03 February 2017 - 11:13 AM

As I said, when you're the one who starts the fight, that difference is just quibbling.

 

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Posted 03 February 2017 - 01:28 PM

Oliver doesn't seem to have much of a problem with Rene and Diggle shooting lots of people.



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Posted 03 February 2017 - 02:07 PM

Didn't like this episode simply because I feel this season's already stuffed with new characters, and I can't bring myself to care about a FOURTH Canary at this point.

That said, I really like Talia and hope to see more of her. Hope we see her and Nyssa team up at some point too.

Diggle being freed felt like a big anticlimax, but I guess getting Spartan back sooner is preferable to a bunch of courtroom scenes.

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Posted 03 February 2017 - 10:33 PM

Nyssa's actress is a regular on another show.  We may or may not get to see her again this season.


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Posted 03 February 2017 - 11:10 PM

This show drives me bugnuts insane each and every time Ollie breaks out the "do as I say, not as I do" no-killing speech.

This episode, he did it while the bodies were still burning in the wreckage of the helicopter he'd just shot down.

I'm actually fine with Oliver killing, I just can't stand the triteness of him doing so and then trying to convince others to "be better" than him.

(And no, self defense is not what marks the difference between what Ollie did and what he was trying to stop Tina from doing. It doesn't count as self defense if you go out looking for armed gunmen to fight)

 

There is a difference between killing in battle (i.e taking down the gang of a dangerous Drug Lord who instead of surrendering yelled "Kill them all!") and premeditated murder. That is what Ollie is trying to keep people (including himself) from doing. Ollie finally understands the difference (and understands that some people through their actions are so heinous that the only way to deal with them is to take the out with extreme prejudice).  


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Posted 09 February 2017 - 02:57 AM

Okay, so, who exactly was that talking with Susan Williams at the end?


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If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 05:30 AM

We don't know yet. Maybe Prometheus (unknown to her)?

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 07:15 AM

So far, he's just "guy who Susan hired to dig up dirt."  He's appeared before on the "What's Ollie really been doing?" subplot.

 

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 12:01 PM

Thanks.  It's hard to remember.  Her appearances are so short and sporadic.

 

I think it would be kind of cool if Talia was actually Prometheus (or at least directly trained him), taking revenge for Ollie screwing up the League of Assassins, and rejecting their teachings.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 01:51 AM

As much as this latest episode was a drawn out in-your-face gun PSA, Rene's backstory was handled well.


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Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 07:18 AM

I did like that they covered all the bases without forcing anyone into a position that was against their character (including having "I don't wanna talk about this issue" white privilege).  Also, it really didn't matter what side Oliver came down on, he'd be a hypocrite.  ;)

 

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:00 AM

In the span of a day, Oliver enacts gun control measures that everyone is cool with.  Possibly the most preposterous thing they've done in a season that's featured an alien armada and him finding a woman with the exact same name and powers as his dead lover.

 

Did Vigilante seem wounded at all in his short appearance?  I've been thinking for awhile that he's NOT Adrian, and this reinforces that for me.

 

Really weird that Ollie's reporter girlfriend dominates the topic of conversation in the opening, and is nowhere to be seen at the press conference.  This season is still struggling to juggle all the characters it has.  (Perhaps counter to that argument though, I miss Rory already, he was easily the most likable of the new team.)


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:37 AM

Did Vigilante seem wounded at all in his short appearance?

Not really. But then again, didn't move around that much, mostly just stood still and raised his arms to shoot his gun.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 01:25 PM

Well, it seemed that everyone was cool with the law because it didn't really do anything.  All the Actual Law Stuff that people objected to during the episode was explicitly eliminated, and that doesn't leave a lot of ways it could actually control guns.  Of course, it was also unrealistic that the anti-gun-control councilwoman wasn't explicitly in the pocket of the NRA, and was merely acting out of personal convictions that she could waive because it would look bad to oppose the law.  In reality, they're a lot more cartoonishly over-the-top in refusing to consider anything that even resembles gun control.

 

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 04:33 PM

It seemed that the councilwoman backed off her objection to increased gun registration requirements in exchange for not altering the limits on what guns people could actually buy.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 11:39 PM

I will say that the climax, where you assume Oliver is going to show up to the hospital as Green Arrow, but instead he talks down the shooter, man to man, that was really well done.  I think the show had more to say in that moment than with all the repeated talking points we got through the rest of the hour.



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Posted 17 February 2017 - 01:53 PM

I wish they had actually elaborated on the magical gun control plan that everyone was happy with.  We could really use that.  Even the anti-gun-control Councilwoman approved of it without having time to actually read it.

 

Vigilante was definitely moving without the difficulty that Adrian was displaying moments before.  But this show isn't big on logical consistency.





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