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@  MEDdMI : (28 April 2017 - 05:49 AM)

instead of blackjack, we have dice rolls in the RP and there was an actual card game in another thread.

@  Bass X0 : (28 April 2017 - 05:19 AM)

They could start their own Beast Mayhem with Blackjack and Hookers.

@  MEDdMI : (28 April 2017 - 05:16 AM)

There's plenty of talented artists in Beast Mayhem! ....though we tend to draw things that can't be posted anyway. :doh

@  wlg3 : (28 April 2017 - 01:15 AM)

I really enjoy the creative sub forums of TFW, though, like their kitbash and fan art forums. The creative forums have lots of talented, friendly people and is an active, supportive community.

@  wlg3 : (28 April 2017 - 01:13 AM)

Gotta agree with Evac... TFW has a lot of cool, talented people, but they're overwhelmingly outnumbered by unbearable neckbeards

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:20 PM)

I do enjoy the TFW podcast. and that subforum's usually very civil. It's the best place to actually talk about TFers there :D also the Radicons forum is ok if you just like looking at kitbash pr0n

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 PM)

There's some cool people on the site, thankfully. It's just the morons tend to outnumber them... Which is generally the rule on most forums thanks to the GIFT.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:17 PM)

In all honesty, the better parts of the site are the non-TF parts.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

yeah, and their love of 3p is just...i don't get it.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:03 PM)

TFW can be... literal with the rules sometimes. Like, a discussion about favorite human characters gets LOCKED if you mention Agent Fowler because "all Prime discussion belongs in the RiD forums".

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:48 PM)

Also, as far as TFW's No Politics goes...it's nice in theory but then you end up with the current IDW stories that lean HEAVILY into politics and religion. I've had more than a few lengthy posts exploring the parallels between the IDW Decepticon movement and various real world socialist movements deleted because it was technically "politics." So hug 'em. I really only visit there these days to poke around the podcast subforum.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:45 PM)

My person canon is that the Quintessons created Cybertron as a factory to make the TFers as mechs, but they became self aware and they revolted. then Cybertronian society began to develop and the events of the revolt became mythologised as the stories of the Knights of Cyberton, the Thirteen, etc...real events that became the basis for religion, essentially.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 09:34 PM)

Timeout. Does it convert?

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

.... Wait I think those are actually ninjas

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

Fact: Transformers are mammals. Fact: The purpose of a Transformer is to flip out and kill people

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 06:54 PM)

Transformers are alien space robots from space.]

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:49 PM)

Transformers believe they were created by <X>, others believe they were created by <Y> and/or <Z>. There are lots of theories, disagreements but ultimately nobody knows for sure.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 05:11 PM)

Squid robits build machines. Machines decide they had enough of that and kicked the squid robits off the planet. Everything's pretty chill for a while until machines get mad for dumb reasons and break the planet. THE END

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 04:22 PM)

Primus created Cybertron and The Thirteen. Then later, the Quintessons come to the planet they call Seibertron and use Primus' power; the plasma energy chamber to forge military robots Destrons and consumer robots Cybertrons. The Cybertrons and Destrons rise up and drive the Quintessons away but are unable to live in peace with each other. And so the Cybertron population become the Autobot army and the Destrons become Decepticons, with the Autobots renaming their planet Cybertron. Far far later still, bacteria that was present on the asteroid Primus imprisoned himself within has evolved into organic life within Cybertron...

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:35 PM)

But aside from the ending Trent and Siph made for them at FunPub, the 3H Wreckers comics kinda sucked.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:34 PM)

That's what the 3H Wreckers comics kind of did, actually.

@  wonko the sane? : (27 April 2017 - 03:30 PM)

So, what? The maker of the makers kinda thing?

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 02:55 PM)

My fanon is both the Quintesson and Primus origins. They're compatible.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 02:37 PM)

I prefer the profile book/movie interpretation of the Quintessons, a race whose entire purpose is to capture and execute those who escape Unicron.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 02:03 PM)

I like the Quintesson origin partly because it's a twist on the robot revolution cliche, partly because of the irony of a people uniting against their own creators just to fall into endless civil war, and mostly because i just really like the Quintessons themselves.

@  Diecast : (27 April 2017 - 12:03 PM)

I preferred the Primus origin until it became the more common origin, fiction wise.

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

Since the analogy to humans isn't perfect, it could also be interpreted as closer to "maternity ward."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

I think the most unfortunately named Transformer in their society would probably be Hot Spot, which is like having a human named "Placenta."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

Confusing, I bet.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:58 AM)

I wonder what everyday Transformer society is like where half the population are named after common objects and stuff...

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 April 2017 - 10:53 AM)

I bet Gears hates this.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 AM)

Naturally occuring gears! (hey, if bugs can do it...)

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:00 AM)

They're both better than the Primus origin.

@  unluckiness : (27 April 2017 - 09:56 AM)

The Allspark sucks. I much prefer the quintessons origin.

@  Dracula : (27 April 2017 - 07:23 AM)

I hate the allspark! That's why it's been the only TF forum I've bothered with for almost 10 years!

@  Robowang : (27 April 2017 - 07:13 AM)

As much as I pick on us, that's a really big reason why I like it here too. Plus the traffic isn't so heavy that anything you post gets lost in five minutes.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:00 AM)

The Allspark is one of the first Transformers sites I've been to where there's no weird hero worship of the staff or two or three staffers who are weirdly aggressive about certain transformers related topics and never fail to show it. This is probably the first site in my near two decades in the fandom I can post and not feel I'm a few steps away from falling afoul of some unwritten rule that will cause people to pile on, so yay Allspark.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

*pops in* "Hm, I wonder where the conversation has gone since last night..." *reads* "...huh. I did not see any of that coming."

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

*apart!

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

This board has provided me with the only RP campaign that didn't fall a

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 05:17 AM)

So what? We're disciples of Primus and they're disciples of Unicron?

@  lastmaximal : (27 April 2017 - 04:26 AM)

I'm really not surprised.

@  Nevermore : (27 April 2017 - 04:16 AM)

Well, the users over on TFW in return accuse the Allspark of being an elitist clique that ostracizes everyone who doesn't act like they do (i.e. civil), whereas TFW is more welcoming to everyone regardless of their views.

@  Pennpenn : (27 April 2017 - 03:23 AM)

Hard G. I don't give a solitary shit what the creators call it, the first word in the acronym is "Graphical". I have no idea why they'd think any sane human could, would, or should pronounce it any other way.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 03:13 AM)

I acknowledge what the creators say, but whether I remember to use their pronunciation or not is hit or miss. Heck, I think I usually think of it in my head as "gee-i-ef", in parallel to "JPG" and "PNG".

@  Waspinator : (27 April 2017 - 02:50 AM)

Let's heat things up: what are everyone's opinions on how GIF should be pronounced?

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:11 PM)

But I will say that a lot of fandom forums are generally more tolerable nowadays because most belligerent types stick to Facebook groups

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:09 PM)

I do like their hard no-politics rule. Now that I do the occasional freelance writing for some local politics and I like zero percent of it my hobby space now. But holy cow, do they replace it with neck beard drama.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 10:30 PM)

like Noideaforaname I posted on TFW for a while. I came here after I got harassed for daring to suggest that Play With This Too was run by unoriginal hacks, and yeah. This place so much more preferable.

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

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#1641 Sean Whitmore

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 09:52 AM

This show drives me bugnuts insane each and every time Ollie breaks out the "do as I say, not as I do" no-killing speech.

This episode, he did it while the bodies were still burning in the wreckage of the helicopter he'd just shot down.

I'm actually fine with Oliver killing, I just can't stand the triteness of him doing so and then trying to convince others to "be better" than him.

(And no, self defense is not what marks the difference between what Ollie did and what he was trying to stop Tina from doing. It doesn't count as self defense if you go out looking for armed gunmen to fight)
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Posted 03 February 2017 - 12:33 AM

There's a difference between taking down people shooting at you during a firefight, and going after a particular person with solely for the purpose of killing them.

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Posted 03 February 2017 - 01:05 AM

As I said, when you're the one who starts the fight, that difference is just quibbling.


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Posted 03 February 2017 - 11:13 AM

As I said, when you're the one who starts the fight, that difference is just quibbling.

 

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Posted 03 February 2017 - 01:28 PM

Oliver doesn't seem to have much of a problem with Rene and Diggle shooting lots of people.


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Posted 03 February 2017 - 02:07 PM

Didn't like this episode simply because I feel this season's already stuffed with new characters, and I can't bring myself to care about a FOURTH Canary at this point.

That said, I really like Talia and hope to see more of her. Hope we see her and Nyssa team up at some point too.

Diggle being freed felt like a big anticlimax, but I guess getting Spartan back sooner is preferable to a bunch of courtroom scenes.

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Posted 03 February 2017 - 10:33 PM

Nyssa's actress is a regular on another show.  We may or may not get to see her again this season.


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Posted 03 February 2017 - 11:10 PM

This show drives me bugnuts insane each and every time Ollie breaks out the "do as I say, not as I do" no-killing speech.

This episode, he did it while the bodies were still burning in the wreckage of the helicopter he'd just shot down.

I'm actually fine with Oliver killing, I just can't stand the triteness of him doing so and then trying to convince others to "be better" than him.

(And no, self defense is not what marks the difference between what Ollie did and what he was trying to stop Tina from doing. It doesn't count as self defense if you go out looking for armed gunmen to fight)

 

There is a difference between killing in battle (i.e taking down the gang of a dangerous Drug Lord who instead of surrendering yelled "Kill them all!") and premeditated murder. That is what Ollie is trying to keep people (including himself) from doing. Ollie finally understands the difference (and understands that some people through their actions are so heinous that the only way to deal with them is to take the out with extreme prejudice).  


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Posted 09 February 2017 - 02:57 AM

Okay, so, who exactly was that talking with Susan Williams at the end?


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Posted 09 February 2017 - 05:30 AM

We don't know yet. Maybe Prometheus (unknown to her)?

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 07:15 AM

So far, he's just "guy who Susan hired to dig up dirt."  He's appeared before on the "What's Ollie really been doing?" subplot.

 

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 12:01 PM

Thanks.  It's hard to remember.  Her appearances are so short and sporadic.

 

I think it would be kind of cool if Talia was actually Prometheus (or at least directly trained him), taking revenge for Ollie screwing up the League of Assassins, and rejecting their teachings.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 01:51 AM

As much as this latest episode was a drawn out in-your-face gun PSA, Rene's backstory was handled well.


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Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 07:18 AM

I did like that they covered all the bases without forcing anyone into a position that was against their character (including having "I don't wanna talk about this issue" white privilege).  Also, it really didn't matter what side Oliver came down on, he'd be a hypocrite.  ;)

 

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:00 AM

In the span of a day, Oliver enacts gun control measures that everyone is cool with.  Possibly the most preposterous thing they've done in a season that's featured an alien armada and him finding a woman with the exact same name and powers as his dead lover.

 

Did Vigilante seem wounded at all in his short appearance?  I've been thinking for awhile that he's NOT Adrian, and this reinforces that for me.

 

Really weird that Ollie's reporter girlfriend dominates the topic of conversation in the opening, and is nowhere to be seen at the press conference.  This season is still struggling to juggle all the characters it has.  (Perhaps counter to that argument though, I miss Rory already, he was easily the most likable of the new team.)


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:37 AM

Did Vigilante seem wounded at all in his short appearance?

Not really. But then again, didn't move around that much, mostly just stood still and raised his arms to shoot his gun.


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If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 01:25 PM

Well, it seemed that everyone was cool with the law because it didn't really do anything.  All the Actual Law Stuff that people objected to during the episode was explicitly eliminated, and that doesn't leave a lot of ways it could actually control guns.  Of course, it was also unrealistic that the anti-gun-control councilwoman wasn't explicitly in the pocket of the NRA, and was merely acting out of personal convictions that she could waive because it would look bad to oppose the law.  In reality, they're a lot more cartoonishly over-the-top in refusing to consider anything that even resembles gun control.

 

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 04:33 PM

It seemed that the councilwoman backed off her objection to increased gun registration requirements in exchange for not altering the limits on what guns people could actually buy.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 11:39 PM

I will say that the climax, where you assume Oliver is going to show up to the hospital as Green Arrow, but instead he talks down the shooter, man to man, that was really well done.  I think the show had more to say in that moment than with all the repeated talking points we got through the rest of the hour.



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Posted 17 February 2017 - 01:53 PM

I wish they had actually elaborated on the magical gun control plan that everyone was happy with.  We could really use that.  Even the anti-gun-control Councilwoman approved of it without having time to actually read it.

 

Vigilante was definitely moving without the difficulty that Adrian was displaying moments before.  But this show isn't big on logical consistency.


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