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@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 08:28 AM)

Is there an English equivalent for what we Germans call "deductions in the B rating"? Context: Someone did something and suceeded on a technical level (as in, achieved the intended goal), but failed to some degree in the details, i.e. there was some collateral damage, or while a technical success, the end result is an aestetic failure. It can be used highly ironically, as in "barely achieved the intended goal, but failed so much in every aspect that's not purely technical that it might as well be considered an utter failure altogether." The German term is derived from the old judging syste in figure skating, which gave separate ratings for "technical merit" and "presentation", with the latter being the origin of the German term.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 November 2019 - 02:32 AM)

Huh. I did not know before today that "medieval" had an alternate spelling "mediaeval". Like "paleontology" and "palaeontology".

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 November 2019 - 04:15 PM)

'Beast Wars in underrated' the comment went. I exploded.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:19 PM)

Absolutely.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

So... you can look like a cop from the 70's AND a huge nerd at the same time?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:09 PM)

I feel like the best way to carry the Switch would be an under-arm torso holster.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 12:31 PM)

It's not. hell. If the 3DS zelda case just stretched a LITTLE more it would fit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 November 2019 - 03:38 AM)

I feel like the Switch Lite is a bit big to have hanging on your belt like that, but I don't take my Switch out with me often anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 01:13 AM)

I must be the only one who wants a switch lite case with a belt loop. o.O

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2019 - 03:03 PM)

I'm gonna have "Chainsaw Buffet" and "Candy For the Cannibal" by Lordi playing in my head all night.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Trick or treaters can only consent to cannibalism in Germania.

@  Sabrblade : (07 November 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Hey, if the trick or treaters can't take some loving insults, that's their problem.

@  Arazyr : (07 November 2019 - 11:39 AM)

Just make sure to put the leftovers in the fridge, so they don't get spoiled.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 11:10 AM)

I love children... but I can never eat a whole one.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 November 2019 - 09:52 AM)

I can neither confirm nor deny this allegation.

@  Paladin : (07 November 2019 - 09:46 AM)

...you don't roast the trick or treaters, do you....

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:38 AM)

A cold beer, a warm fire, some smores and trick or treaters... Man, you got this life thing down.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

That actually sounds pretty awesome.

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:59 AM)

we'll move to the open garage if it's raining

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:58 AM)

every Halloween since we got a house, TMM and I chill in the driveway with a fire bowl and roast things while handing out candy. It's pretty great.

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 November 2019 - 03:42 AM)

Peter Cullen voiced King Kong let that sink in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:42 PM)

I've noticed that after a year or two, though, people with children will start getting into it for their kids

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:41 PM)

I think a lot of the decline you see in Halloween is due to newcomers to Canada who don't really get it... I mean,there are only a handful of countries in the world that practice this particular oddity

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (06 November 2019 - 12:29 PM)

I recently attended a talk on Samhain and its associated mythology by a professor from Limerick.

@  Otaku : (06 November 2019 - 11:49 AM)

Trunk or Treats have become more popular because it is supposed to be safer, and even if it isn't, it just tends to be easier for the Trick-or-Treaters.

@  wonko the sane? : (06 November 2019 - 11:00 AM)

That's okay: between ever more extreme weather, ever more violent society, and general paranoia of parents: halloweens not doing to well out here either.

@  Anonymous X : (06 November 2019 - 09:30 AM)

We used to have Bonfire Night here in the UK as our thing instead of Halloween... It's withered away for the most part. Halloween used to be the strange American tradition you knew of from ET or various cartoons


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#21 Cheetimus Primal

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 05:33 PM

QUOTE(Kevin S @ Oct 14 2012, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Called him Deathstroke, not Slade.

Good. Not that I plan to follow this show but good.
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 09:45 PM

QUOTE(Kevin S @ Oct 14 2012, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Called him Deathstroke, not Slade.


Well Teen Titans did call him Slade because the whole "Death" thing in his name and they had to be more kid friendly. Glad they are going with Deathstroke, but I can understand why some would say Slade.


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Posted 15 October 2012 - 03:54 AM

QUOTE(Zodberg @ Oct 14 2012, 03:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yo, hug Smallville. That jive was terrible. Perhaps worse than the Adventures of Lois and Clark. Perhaps worse than Superman 3 and 4. Although we were all younger people when it came out so we didn't notice, but if they took the same production values and put them on a new show without something we're as eager to see, we'd all laugh at it. To prove my point: Aquaman!

Will watch Arrow later.


HAHAHAHAHA Thats funny! Oh wait your serious aren't you!? icon-wildride.gif Saying Lois and Clark was a good series compared to anything else is just *SHUDDER* I just don't get the hate for Smallville in comparison to Superman the Soap Opera. Yes Smallville was Superman free for the 99% of the series but was the acting as cheesy as all get out and so filled with 90's camp as L&C. I can't say too much as I do own all of L&C but upon watching through it in recent years I just can't keep it on without laughing at how bad it was. I love it but Smallvile was aces better of a tv series than L&C.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:46 AM

I really enjoyed Smallville when it first started. Hated it between season 5.5 and 8. Liked it again at season 9.

This caught me. It didn't get me as excited as some shows, but it was enough to ensure that I check out a couple more episodes and see how it goes.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:42 PM

QUOTE(Wickerness @ Oct 14 2012, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Kevin S @ Oct 14 2012, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Called him Deathstroke, not Slade.


Well Teen Titans did call him Slade because the whole "Death" thing in his name and they had to be more kid friendly. Glad they are going with Deathstroke, but I can understand why some would say Slade.



My speculation...PURELY from the shot in the pilot of the mask and the teaser footage, that "Deathstroke" won't be an individual, but rather an identity passed around.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:45 PM

QUOTE(Wickerness @ Oct 12 2012, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know a lot about Green Arrrow's back story in the comics. Were both parents killed off? If this is changed, I was wondering if they were just trying to make him a bit more different than Batman. I do know there have been some similarities between the two, except GA isn't as apparently dark.



IIRC, his parents are dead at the start, but not in a "Wahh, my parents are dead!!! way" just as in, they died at some point. He's then shipwrecked, learns to use a bow, goes back etc.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:57 PM

QUOTE(Scavgraphics @ Oct 16 2012, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
IIRC, his parents are dead at the start, but not in a "Wahh, my parents are dead!!! way

And now I'm visualizing Ollie (the comics/YJ guy with the sense of humour, not this one) doing an impression of Batman.

(Who is, of course, standing right behind him.)

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 08:25 PM

Anyone else in love with action scenes in this? I wish the rest of the show was as good a quality. The acting is incredibly mediocre.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 09:30 PM

The action is indeed shot very well. That's the only positive thing I can say about the show.
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 11:29 AM

So I watched the first episode. It didn't outright suck. In fact, I rather enjoyed it.

Especially in how Ollie tends to skip the subterfuge with his bodyguard. I will keep watching, if the writers are any good: it'll hit a grand stride and be a great story.
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 08:14 PM

I personally still like the show and will continue watching it. Remeber, for those of you who liked Smallville, the first few season were hard to watch. Villan of the week got old after awhile and the cave drawings were a weird twist in the story. I think the show just needs more time to develop and it will be good...although Im still guessing a JLA type team will be formed towards the end of it.

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 08:24 PM

QUOTE(Darth_Prime @ Oct 19 2012, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I personally still like the show and will continue watching it. Remeber, for those of you who liked Smallville, the first few season were hard to watch. Villan of the week got old after awhile and the cave drawings were a weird twist in the story. I think the show just needs more time to develop and it will be good...although Im still guessing a JLA type team will be formed towards the end of it.


Not just Smallville, but Supernatural was also really slow and dragged there heels till they stumbled across their ongoing plot. So even if is seem lame now, CW's actions shows tend to get better with time. Maybe sit the first season out, and give it a shot after its over to see if it have real potential.

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 08:50 PM

Hell, all shows have a learning curve. I'm liking this fine for now; it's setting up plot coupons that'll pay off down the road. I especially like Ollie's gradual development from a targeted vengeance-seeker. He's just now realizing that the secret identity thing is going to be harder than he expected.

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 08:55 PM

Maybe in this one we will get to see a Bruce Wayne or Hal Jordan cameo. Wish we could of gotten some of those in Smallville.

Speaking of, I like how Ollie is taking the opposite direction of what Bruce Wayne does with his "civillian" life. Shucking off the company, acting like a spoiled rich kid who doesnt care about the job vs trying to run the multi billion dollar company.

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 10:22 PM

I've seen people complain about everything from the acting, to the renaming of the city to the "He shot them with arrows but they didn't die" stuff..

Personally, I've liked both episodes I've seen and have few complaints because I understand no show gets it right on day one (Well, very rarely).

Star Trek TNG wasn't good until season 3.

Plus, I have zero investment in the source. When I was reading comics in high school I was a Marvel guy through and through. What little I knew about DC amounted to Superman and a bunch of other people who had "the strength of 10 men!".

Green Arrow was just the "faggy Robin Hood looking guy" so to me anything they do with him is an improvement of my first impressions.

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 10:25 PM

QUOTE(Darth_Prime @ Oct 19 2012, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I personally still like the show and will continue watching it. Remeber, for those of you who liked Smallville, the first few season were hard to watch. Villan of the week got old after awhile and the cave drawings were a weird twist in the story. I think the show just needs more time to develop and it will be good...although Im still guessing a JLA type team will be formed towards the end of it.

Putting aside how I feel about this show I find this to be a rather weird argument.
"That show sucked in the beginning too!"
So you're saying this show sucks?
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 10:32 PM

QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Oct 19 2012, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Darth_Prime @ Oct 19 2012, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I personally still like the show and will continue watching it. Remeber, for those of you who liked Smallville, the first few season were hard to watch. Villan of the week got old after awhile and the cave drawings were a weird twist in the story. I think the show just needs more time to develop and it will be good...although Im still guessing a JLA type team will be formed towards the end of it.

Putting aside how I feel about this show I find this to be a rather weird argument.
"That show sucked in the beginning too!"
So you're saying this show sucks?


I think its more "Look at how well it ended up becoming, compared to where it started from"

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 10:37 PM

QUOTE(Database @ Oct 19 2012, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Oct 19 2012, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Darth_Prime @ Oct 19 2012, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I personally still like the show and will continue watching it. Remeber, for those of you who liked Smallville, the first few season were hard to watch. Villan of the week got old after awhile and the cave drawings were a weird twist in the story. I think the show just needs more time to develop and it will be good...although Im still guessing a JLA type team will be formed towards the end of it.

Putting aside how I feel about this show I find this to be a rather weird argument.
"That show sucked in the beginning too!"
So you're saying this show sucks?


I think its more "Look at how well it ended up becoming, compared to where it started from"

Still pretty much irrelevant when the show is three episodes old.

"It might get really good!" is hardly incentive to put aside all the issues one may have with it.

Edited by Cheetimus Primal, 19 October 2012 - 10:38 PM.

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 10:40 PM

And I'm not trying to argue about the show seeing as people get pretty pissed off and take it mildly personally when you say a show they like sucks. I'm just saying that particular argument is bad.
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Posted 20 October 2012 - 12:04 AM

Im not saying it sucks, but Im not saying its great either. Its 2 episodes old and just needs more time to develope. Although I think they might be rushing things, giving him Deadshot in the 3rd episode and Deathstroke later this season. Its almost like they are going to try and squeeze in as much as they can in case it gets canned. Maybe 1 big bad villan spread out of the course of a season, dont just bring these guys in the 1st season for 1 or 2 episodes and not be able to use them again in later seasons should it continue on.

As for the comment earlier about the action scenes being to short, that was the problem with Smallville as well. The Doomsday fight was what, about 45 seconds? All of the other fights were done in less than that? Understandable they wouldnt do the whole Death of Superman story in Smallville, but they at least could of given it a longer fight. Honestly though, I think Doomsday was stupid to bring in anyway to that particular show anyway.



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