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@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 08:28 AM)

Is there an English equivalent for what we Germans call "deductions in the B rating"? Context: Someone did something and suceeded on a technical level (as in, achieved the intended goal), but failed to some degree in the details, i.e. there was some collateral damage, or while a technical success, the end result is an aestetic failure. It can be used highly ironically, as in "barely achieved the intended goal, but failed so much in every aspect that's not purely technical that it might as well be considered an utter failure altogether." The German term is derived from the old judging syste in figure skating, which gave separate ratings for "technical merit" and "presentation", with the latter being the origin of the German term.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 November 2019 - 02:32 AM)

Huh. I did not know before today that "medieval" had an alternate spelling "mediaeval". Like "paleontology" and "palaeontology".

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 November 2019 - 04:15 PM)

'Beast Wars in underrated' the comment went. I exploded.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:19 PM)

Absolutely.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

So... you can look like a cop from the 70's AND a huge nerd at the same time?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:09 PM)

I feel like the best way to carry the Switch would be an under-arm torso holster.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 12:31 PM)

It's not. hell. If the 3DS zelda case just stretched a LITTLE more it would fit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 November 2019 - 03:38 AM)

I feel like the Switch Lite is a bit big to have hanging on your belt like that, but I don't take my Switch out with me often anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 01:13 AM)

I must be the only one who wants a switch lite case with a belt loop. o.O

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2019 - 03:03 PM)

I'm gonna have "Chainsaw Buffet" and "Candy For the Cannibal" by Lordi playing in my head all night.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Trick or treaters can only consent to cannibalism in Germania.

@  Sabrblade : (07 November 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Hey, if the trick or treaters can't take some loving insults, that's their problem.

@  Arazyr : (07 November 2019 - 11:39 AM)

Just make sure to put the leftovers in the fridge, so they don't get spoiled.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 11:10 AM)

I love children... but I can never eat a whole one.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 November 2019 - 09:52 AM)

I can neither confirm nor deny this allegation.

@  Paladin : (07 November 2019 - 09:46 AM)

...you don't roast the trick or treaters, do you....

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:38 AM)

A cold beer, a warm fire, some smores and trick or treaters... Man, you got this life thing down.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

That actually sounds pretty awesome.

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:59 AM)

we'll move to the open garage if it's raining

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:58 AM)

every Halloween since we got a house, TMM and I chill in the driveway with a fire bowl and roast things while handing out candy. It's pretty great.

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 November 2019 - 03:42 AM)

Peter Cullen voiced King Kong let that sink in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:42 PM)

I've noticed that after a year or two, though, people with children will start getting into it for their kids

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:41 PM)

I think a lot of the decline you see in Halloween is due to newcomers to Canada who don't really get it... I mean,there are only a handful of countries in the world that practice this particular oddity

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (06 November 2019 - 12:29 PM)

I recently attended a talk on Samhain and its associated mythology by a professor from Limerick.

@  Otaku : (06 November 2019 - 11:49 AM)

Trunk or Treats have become more popular because it is supposed to be safer, and even if it isn't, it just tends to be easier for the Trick-or-Treaters.

@  wonko the sane? : (06 November 2019 - 11:00 AM)

That's okay: between ever more extreme weather, ever more violent society, and general paranoia of parents: halloweens not doing to well out here either.

@  Anonymous X : (06 November 2019 - 09:30 AM)

We used to have Bonfire Night here in the UK as our thing instead of Halloween... It's withered away for the most part. Halloween used to be the strange American tradition you knew of from ET or various cartoons


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#1 Darth_Prime

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 03:06 AM

Who else watched this? I thought it was good, curious to see where it goes. The only thing I really know about the character is what Ive seen in Smallville, Justice Leauge and Young Justice, never read any of the comics. Has DC/CW come out and said anything about what has already been established in Smallville with the Green Arrow character? Also, why is it not Justin Hartley playing the role? It seems like CW was really wanting him with trying him out as Aquaman and then giving him the Green Arrow roll on Smallville.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:13 AM

QUOTE(Darth_Prime @ Oct 11 2012, 04:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Who else watched this? I thought it was good, curious to see where it goes. The only thing I really know about the character is what Ive seen in Smallville, Justice Leauge and Young Justice, never read any of the comics. Has DC/CW come out and said anything about what has already been established in Smallville with the Green Arrow character? Also, why is it not Justin Hartley playing the role? It seems like CW was really wanting him with trying him out as Aquaman and then giving him the Green Arrow roll on Smallville.


I watched it. Kinda felt hokey in bits. Like when it turned out that the initial arrow attack against the rich guy's guards only put them into the hospital. Really? Because they looked kinda dead to me.

Also, I don't get why Ollie had to make up the Green hood in that first battle, since it was legitimate self defense (up until that last guy, but if he went the legitimate route, he wouldn't have had to kill him). And well, because his fingerprints would be over everything, if this was reality.

As for Smallville, I think I read on Ain't it Cool news that there is no connection & this is it's own thing.

But hey, yeah Dresden... Erm, I mean Blackstone. (Paul Blackstone played Harry Dresden in the SciFi series The Dresden Files, based on the books.)

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:27 AM

why the hell was Slade's mask on the island?!

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:37 AM

QUOTE(Rhinox @ Oct 11 2012, 07:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
why the hell was Slade's mask on the island?!


Eh, not sure since I don't have this on DVR & might have missed that bit. I think I started watching a few minutes late. Still, did they show any other people on that island? Because, I've a hard time believing that Ollie would develop all his skills, just him on his lonesome on that island.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 07:17 AM

Is that who's mask it was supposed to be? I just thought of it as head on a stick, guess I should of paid more attention. I did read on www.superherohype.com that the King was cast for the Royal Flush Gang. here

Again, not the most knowledgeable on DC comics, but from what I saw of them in the Justice Leauge: Doom cartoon I like them.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 09:40 AM

It was good enough that I'll watch episode 2....the dialog was stilted, and the main actor was pretty much charisma-less, and has the emotional range of the girl from Twilight.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 03:07 PM

QUOTE(Scavgraphics @ Oct 11 2012, 07:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was good enough that I'll watch episode 2....the dialog was stilted, and the main actor was pretty much charisma-less, and has the emotional range of the girl from Twilight.


Eh not much different than Smallville at times. They really need to find another mansion to use though. For not tying into Smallville using the same mansion that Lex lived in for the Queens estate is kinda funny. But then again we could have a bunch of mutants running around too icon-fire.gif

But lets see we already have some forms of Speedy, Merlyn, and Canary. Slade mask on a stick too. Like that they aren't shy enough to bring in some more comic references already.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 09:40 PM

And we know Huntress is going to show up.

And John Barrowman, who is practically a comic book character himself.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 09:41 PM

I thought it was pretty awful, honestly. I'll give it three more episodes, probably, before I give up on it.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 11:38 AM

Yeah, this is pretty hackneyed writing but on par for the CW at least.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 11:42 AM

Wait, what?
"There are other ways of finding out what my son knows."

Yeah, like asking him. You're his DAMN MOTHER!
And with that I'm done.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 12:09 PM

QUOTE(Cybersnark @ Oct 11 2012, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And we know Huntress is going to show up.

And John Barrowman, who is practically a comic book character himself.

Man, if only he could show up as Captain Jack (Doctor Who version, not Torchwood version). That would be the best thing.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 05:23 PM

I don't know a lot about Green Arrrow's back story in the comics. Were both parents killed off? If this is changed, I was wondering if they were just trying to make him a bit more different than Batman. I do know there have been some similarities between the two, except GA isn't as apparently dark.

I kind of liked it. I am glad that this isn't connected to Smallville, because they had pretty much written Ollie into a corner on that show. There is a lot of stuff going on. It's hard to tell who Ollie can trust and who the less obvious bad guys are. Should we trust the step father? Heck should we trust the mother? Is this family more like the Luthors, except with the mom being the bad one? Or is something else going on with the mom? Too early to tell. I'm going to keep watching.

I think that it's a bit interesting that we don't automatically know whose side everyone is on. Though this could read like a soap opera, but comics in general can be like that too.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 06:36 PM

QUOTE(Esser-Z @ Oct 12 2012, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Cybersnark @ Oct 11 2012, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And we know Huntress is going to show up.

And John Barrowman, who is practically a comic book character himself.

Man, if only he could show up as Captain Jack (Doctor Who version, not Torchwood version). That would be the best thing.



I just read that twice. They are the same person.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 04:55 PM

No...no they are not.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:09 PM

Same guy give or take 2000 years being buried alive by your best friend and own brother.


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 05:26 AM

Yo, hug Smallville. That jive was terrible. Perhaps worse than the Adventures of Lois and Clark. Perhaps worse than Superman 3 and 4. Although we were all younger people when it came out so we didn't notice, but if they took the same production values and put them on a new show without something we're as eager to see, we'd all laugh at it. To prove my point: Aquaman!

Will watch Arrow later.
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 05:39 AM

I would watch the HECK out of an Aquaman show. The pilot had mythic tones and there'd be no shortage of beach bodies. And Lou Diamond Phillips would have a job again.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 08:44 AM

It also had basically /everything bad/
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 04:49 PM

From panel:

Royal Flush gang, most members wear hockey masks.

Guy with big eye monocle sight type thing, Deadshot? Can't think of the guy from Arkam Asylum exactly.

They said that Roy Harper might show up, when somebody asked.

Pointed out that Speedy crushed the pill with an award for archery.

Called him Deathstroke, not Slade.

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