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[Detour]

That's one of my complaints about MoS. It was so dire and had very little comic relief.

It's not just a lack of comic relief... it's that it's completely joyless in every way.

Edited by Detour, 30 August 2013 - 11:28 AM.

[Exatron]

I can't agree that it's joyless at all. Are the lighter moments relatively few and far between? Sure. But the first flight scene alone kills any notion that it could be completely joyless.

[Pale Rider]

I didn't find it joyless. I'm sure some of you wish it had Otis in it, but I think it did fine without him.

[Detour]

I can't agree that it's joyless at all. Are the lighter moments relatively few and far between? Sure. But the first flight scene alone kills any notion that it could be completely joyless.

It's ridiculously ironic how you're pointing out that scene that's solely dependent on the score telling you "THIS IS EPIC YOU GUYSE!", considering how often I hear "YOU ONLY LIKE THE DONNER FILMS BECAUSE OF THE JOHN WILLIAMS SCORE".

Here's an actualy joyful flight scene:

Clark finds out his origins after dealing with the appearance of his powers, freaks out thinking he's just a freak, runs away... and then he finds out he can fly and he's elated because he realizes he's not a freak, he's special, and returns home to reconcile with his parents.

The Last Son Of Krypton is such a better Superman "movie" than Man of Steel.

I didn't find it joyless. I'm sure some of you wish it had Otis in it, but I think it did fine without him.

Oh, looky, that whole "joy = bumbling comic relief" strawman again.
My, how I missed you.

Edited by Detour, 31 August 2013 - 04:34 PM.

[Pale Rider]

It's ridiculously ironic how you're pointing out that scene that's solely dependent on the score telling you "THIS IS EPIC YOU GUYSE!", considering how often I hear "YOU ONLY LIKE THE DONNER FILMS BECAUSE OF THE JOHN WILLIAMS SCORE".

Were you off taking a piss during that scene? Superman's joyful laughing is what made it not joyless, not the score (which is epic, but that's beside the point).

Edited by Local Trouble, 31 August 2013 - 06:27 PM.

[Sabrblade]

I found more humor in each Nolan Batman film than I did here.

[Master Fwiffo]

So I finally watched Man of Steel...

And never have I been so conflicted about a movie.

 

I didn't see it in theaters and I held off watching it forever because, as I've said repeatedly, I had no interest in a GrimDarkKnight Style Superman film.  It's Superman, he has to be a little tongue in cheek by his very nature, and trying to DarkKnightify him is just wrong.

 

But my dear sweet father, bless his heart, got us the blu-ray for Christmas.  So I finally decided to sit down and watch this bad boy.

 

As I said, I'm mixed.  VERY mixed.

 

Ok, when he wasn't busy being emo, Henry Cavill was an *excellent* Superman.  When he was doing lighter things, he was great.  And, more importantly, the fights were *amazing*.  THAT is was action in a Superman film should be like.  Zod was pretty good and the fights were just so damn fun and flashy.  I absolutely LOVED Krypton.  So some VERY BIG positives there.

 

But then there's the negatives.  Killing Pa Kent was pointless (and silly).    The aforementioned Emo, which wasn't as bad as I had feared from the trailers, was distracting.  The plot seemed to make semi-sensical time jumps with no real frame of reference (How long between launching Baby Supes and Krypton blowing up?  ow long between the oil rig and the spaceship discovery?  How long between the spaceship discovery and Amy Ad-I mean Lois Lane finding Superman?)  Amy Adams - I love you dear, you're great in a bunch of kids movies, but honey, you ain't no Lois Lane.  And yes, we get it, Superman is Jesus, enough with the cross poses OK?

 

And then there's almosts.  I header Superman Killed Zod an was like 'hellll no', but then I saw it.  And while I'm actually ok with the situation presented in theory, in execution...  Well,  I'll just ask you this.  In the movie, as presented, where would we have picked up at all that Superman is opposed to killing?  It wasn't there.  It's like he just screamed NOOOOOOO after killing the bad guy for no reason.  And while we fans know Superman isn't supposed to kill, not once was that actually a factor in the movie as presented.  Someone who had never heard of Superman before would have been completely lost as to why that scene played out the way it did.

 

And how about Superman being Superman, and like saving citizens and stopping criminals and stuff?  Even a token scene with him doing that in the suit would have been great, but they kind of ignored that angle entirely.

 

So seriously, I'm mixed.  I think I enjoyed it, but it frustrated me as well.

 

But, incidentally, on the power scales presented, how the hell is Batman NOT going to get squished like a bug is this sequel?

[Shadewing]

But, incidentally, on the power scales presented, how the hell is Batman NOT going to get squished like a bug is this sequel?

 

 

Because being Batman is the greatest super power in the DC universe.

[Scavgraphics]

 

 In the movie, as presented, where would we have picked up at all that Superman is opposed to killing?  It wasn't there.  It's like he just screamed NOOOOOOO after killing the bad guy for no reason.  And while we fans know Superman isn't supposed to kill, not once was that actually a factor in the movie as presented.  Someone who had never heard of Superman before would have been completely lost as to why that scene played out the way it did.

 

 

THIS is my real problem with the movie.  I don't like their interpretation of Superman, mind you, but it's that for the big climatic moment of the film, there's no set up, and no follow through. It's a poorly made movie.

[Cat]

Hmm, thought I'd posted here.

 

I finally watched this just a few weeks ago, for the first time.

 

Loved it. It was absolutely NOTHING like what I was expecting, and it blew me away (in a positive way).

 

Superman bores the hell out of me normally. If it wasn't for Snyder's participation I wouldn't have bothered with it.

 

I love what he did for this film. I LOVE the re-imagined Krypton, it was spectacular, and also gave me such a great Star Wars vibe, one that I wish the prequels had given.

 

I really enjoyed it overall. Even with Snyder, I wasn't expecting to like it THIS much.

 

I bought it for full price on release day, and it took me awhile to finally get around to watching it. I'd been thinking I'd probably wasted my money when I should have waited on it, but after seeing it, it was totally worth the full price.

[MrBlud]

Superman bores the hell out of me normally. If it wasn't for Snyder's participation I wouldn't have bothered with it.

 

Indeed.

 

This movie was made explicitly to appeal to people like you and Cheets who have that attitude.

 

With all the positives and negatives that brings.

[Detour]

It really feels like this is a "it's not what I usually expect out of Superman, therefore it must be good".

 

Fortunately I've also gotten to see people who're also "meh" on Superman call it a bad movie, so it's not a unanimous thing there.

[Zamuel]

So I finally watched Man of Steel...
And never have I been so conflicted about a movie.

Just finished watching it but for the most part, this is where I am. I will say I hate the cinematography outside of the fight scenes. They need to slap the cameraman then fire them. Dollies exist for a reason. Trying to let my thoughts simmer.