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@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:29 AM)

The best way to prove this is to give an example where the match is really lopsided in favor of one character but in popularity they're either evenly matched or the weaker one is more popular.

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:27 AM)

The "who would win in a fight" discussions are really just people trying to make "which one's better" into something you can theoretically measure objectively, usually in a very specific way they think they've predetermined their favorite will win.

@  Otaku : (04 August 2020 - 02:01 AM)

@Nevermore So... you're saying you didn't like DC Versus Marvel/Marvel Versus DC?

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 August 2020 - 06:59 PM)

So, what happened to Hasbro's Zoids relaunch? An English dub, some stuff in southeast Asia, and now a game coming in October? That it?

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Tidal wave, cause shooting water gets you nowhere.

@  Darth Gonzo : (03 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Who would win Tidal Wave or Broadside?

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:17 AM)

Btw Happy birthday to those people in the box to the right \o/

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:16 AM)

The bottom line is obvious. It makes no literal sense to fight someone on your faction. :/

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 06:14 AM)

That's because you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to just stack skills and ability against each other. It's not the palace of doom, it's an episode of american gladiators.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 08:36 AM)

Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh


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#1 Bainreese

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 04:29 PM

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Not sure how they are going to do that, but it should be fun.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 04:51 PM

It's probably just a nod to the comics and means nothing beyond a few shots of the thing.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 04:52 PM


Yeah... they've already supposedly cast 2 nobodies as 2 Z-list Marvel Comics Presents quality techno-villians, both with ties to the Army/Government IIRC. Now this. It can't be Osborne of course. Or John Jameson. Or any of the obvious guesses...

I know they're doing "Extremis" but this casting feels like they're doing a "nobody villian" take on Armor Wars instead...

Iron Man has a decent rogues gallery. Wish they were mining it rather than the 5cent bin at a flee market.


-ZacWilliam, also not against Ben Kingsley as the Mandarin, but being Chinese is kinda who the Mandarin is. I mean his name IS "the Mandarin". Maybe Kingsley's character really likes oranges?
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:03 PM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ May 30 2012, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Iron Man has a decent rogues gallery.


He really doesn't. It's probably the worst rogue's gallery of any high-profile comic book character. I can't blame them for struggling to pick good ones for the films. Iron Monger was a smart first-movie choice, but as modified as Whiplash was for the second movie, literally any of his armour-using baddies could have slotted into that role. I swear to CHRIST Ben Kingsley had better be the Mandarin - I could give less than two jives about ethnicity at this point, because not using his arch-bastarding-enemy after actively planting the seeds for him in the first film is like doing a Superman trilogy without Lex Luthor.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:04 PM


Is it wrong that I REALLY want him to have 10 Alien Power Rings?

I know there's almost no change. I know it'd be REALLY hard to make them work in Iron Man's more grounded techno corner of the MFU (Marvel Film Universe) but STILL... I'd just really like a Mandarin who WAS the Mandarin power-wise. AND I'd love someone for Tony to fight that wasn't another dude in an armor suit.


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#6 Chris McFeely

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:08 PM

I think after Avengers the universe is suitably opened up enough for the rings to be alien, and if it were just the Mandarin alone I don't think it'd cause much issue. But with all the other techno-powered characters this film seems to be heaping on (which can't surely be anything other than a "they stole my designs!" Armour Wars riff) it'd certainly come off as out of place that their boss is using alien tech.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:10 PM

QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ May 30 2012, 06:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ May 30 2012, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Iron Man has a decent rogues gallery.


He really doesn't.


I disagree.

He's not Batman, Spider-man, or the Flash, with their great Enemy galleries, no. But niether is he Superman.

He's got, off the top of my head:

Mandarin
Whiplash
Blizzard
Cyclone
The Ghost
Fin-Fang-Foom
Crimson Dynamo
Titanium Man
Modok
Aim
Madam Mask
Radioactive Man

That's just the one's I could think of without looking anything up. It's definately decent fodder for a number of films.


-ZacWilliam, And while there's a bunch of "techno" there very few are Just another guy in a generic steel grey robo-suite.

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#8 Cheetimus Primal

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:13 PM

Seeing Batman hyphenated is really, really weird.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:17 PM

AIM and MODOK would be really good film material. A terrorist group focused on super sciences is right up Iron Man's alley for these movies, plenty of material for special effect fights with any number of super weapons or other tech they've stole or devolped, before revealing their greatest creation: MODOK a human super computer that can easily out think anyone with access to tech that would give anyone trouble in straight fight.

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#10 Chris McFeely

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:18 PM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ May 30 2012, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mandarin
Whiplash
Blizzard
Cyclone
The Ghost
Fin-Fang-Foom
Crimson Dynamo
Titanium Man
Radioactive Man
Modok
Aim
Madam Mask

That's just the one's I could think of without looking anything up. It's definately decent fodder for a number of films.


Radioactive Man's a Thor baddie and I think you're thinking of someone else when you say Cyclone. But look at how many of those villains are "grunt"-level. Almost none of them are movie-carriers. Mandarin, AIM, and *maybe* Madame Masque could hack it, but the rest are on a level that are going to require them to share the movie with at least one other guy in order to sell it (even Triple-F would have to share with the Mandarin to work in a story in any disbelief-suspending way), like Whiplash had to share with Justin Hammer to make the grade. "The guy with the freeze rays" can carry 22 pages, or 22mins of cartoon, but he's not a movie mastermind. Now, you get me Spymaster, and you kit him out with a couple of B-list Iron Man baddies as his goon squad destroying Stark's life from all sides, then we'll be getting somewhere.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:18 PM

QUOTE(DrSpengler @ May 30 2012, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ May 30 2012, 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think after Avengers the universe is suitably opened up enough for the rings to be alien, and if it were just the Mandarin alone I don't think it'd cause much issue. But with all the other techno-powered characters this film seems to be heaping on (which can't surely be anything other than a "they stole my designs!" Armour Wars riff) it'd certainly come off as out of place that their boss is using alien tech.


Personally, I'd dig an Armor Wars movie, truncated as it might be.

It's not like he fought many A-listers in that story, anyway. I mean, the Beetle? Really? Some nobody like "Coldblood" is about on that level. And Iron Man 2, having the War Machine suit handed over to the army, sort of set up an Armor Wars scenario with Tony's designs being liberated for abuse.


Nah, Beetle is C list, but he's a long time Spidey villian and Thunderbolts founder that's way above a Z-list, even hardcore fans never heard of him, guy like Coldblood.

But I agree, I would have been much more on board with this film being inspired by Armor Wars than Extremis.


-ZacWilliam, almost feels they picked it because it was the "cool modern Warren Ellis thing" rather than because it was a really good basis for an Ironman film...
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:38 PM

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I was more diappointed that they decided to basically make him Crimson Dynamo but didn't make him Crimson Dynamo. And now they can't use Crimson Dynamo. Booooooo!


There was plenty of time between activation of the bomb and detonation for Vanko to slip away. Not to mention, nothing stated implied his suit was rigged to blow and it wasn't just the Hammeroids.

Simply put, in these actual Marvel backed movies, unless we actually see the body, I'm not counting anyone as officially dead. As an aside, as much as I adored the first Iron Man film, the failure to have Stane perform his iconic suicide was extremely disappointing. I mean, yeah, on-screen suicide would have been a bit much and they at least gave us the fact Stane needed computer assistance to run the suit, but it was a huge let down just to have him be knocked unconscious and fall into the Reactor.

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Betcha they'd just do what the Nickelodeon cartoon did with them; make Blizzard and Ghost guys in armor suits.


Um...Ghost and Blizzard always were tech-villains. They've always been in armor, it's just that in comics, armor often looks like spandex.


Speaking of Ghost, I'm disappointed. If they're still squeamish to be using the Mandarin, then go with Ghost and the Spymaster instead. Strikes me you could easily use the Extremis plot with those two, without having to tie in Mandarin.

Speaking of the Mandarin, and speaking as a long time Iron Man fan, I hope he doesn't show up in the films. Mandarin is Iron Man's iconic villain...but his motivations are hopelessly undefined. If he isn't trying to conquer China with Missiles and Dragon God-Aliens, he's trying to destroy technology and pave way for a world of magic...except when he's using technology to create a giant sky dragon red herring for some convoluted rationale to pass the Rings to his son for awhile...only to re-emerge as a businessman? (I don't know. I stopped reading Iron Man when he killed a boat load of people and was saved by a literal angel)

Seriously. Joker has a MO. Lex Luthor has a MO. Mandarin started as a semi-racist caricature in the vein of the Yellow Claw that has managed to endure longer then memory of Christopher Lee's portrayal of Fu Manchu all the while his entire character is constantly overhauled and altered with every appearance he makes.

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QUOTE(Rust @ May 30 2012, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As an aside, as much as I adored the first Iron Man film, the failure to have Stane perform his iconic suicide was extremely disappointing. I mean, yeah, on-screen suicide would have been a bit much and they at least gave us the fact Stane needed computer assistance to run the suit, but it was a huge let down just to have him be knocked unconscious and fall into the Reactor.


You may know this, but an alternate version of that scene included on the DVD has him preparing to commit suicide so he can take Tony with him.

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Speaking of the Mandarin, and speaking as a long time Iron Man fan, I hope he doesn't show up in the films. Mandarin is Iron Man's iconic villain...but his motivations are hopelessly undefined.


Well, wouldn't his appearing in a film allow his motives to be untangled and defined better? It would probably give the comics character a real shot in the arm in the process and help redefine him going forward.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:48 PM

QUOTE(Rust @ May 30 2012, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(DrSpengler @ May 30 2012, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was more diappointed that they decided to basically make him Crimson Dynamo but didn't make him Crimson Dynamo. And now they can't use Crimson Dynamo. Booooooo!


There was plenty of time between activation of the bomb and detonation for Vanko to slip away. Not to mention, nothing stated implied his suit was rigged to blow and it wasn't just the Hammeroids.

Simply put, in these actual Marvel backed movies, unless we actually see the body, I'm not counting anyone as officially dead. As an aside, as much as I adored the first Iron Man film, the failure to have Stane perform his iconic suicide was extremely disappointing. I mean, yeah, on-screen suicide would have been a bit much and they at least gave us the fact Stane needed computer assistance to run the suit, but it was a huge let down just to have him be knocked unconscious and fall into the Reactor.

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Betcha they'd just do what the Nickelodeon cartoon did with them; make Blizzard and Ghost guys in armor suits.


Um...Ghost and Blizzard always were tech-villains. They've always been in armor, it's just that in comics, armor often looks like spandex.


Speaking of Ghost, I'm disappointed. If they're still squeamish to be using the Mandarin, then go with Ghost and the Spymaster instead. Strikes me you could easily use the Extremis plot with those two, without having to tie in Mandarin.

Speaking of the Mandarin, and speaking as a long time Iron Man fan, I hope he doesn't show up in the films. Mandarin is Iron Man's iconic villain...but his motivations are hopelessly undefined. If he isn't trying to conquer China with Missiles and Dragon God-Aliens, he's trying to destroy technology and pave way for a world of magic...except when he's using technology to create a giant sky dragon red herring for some convoluted rationale to pass the Rings to his son for awhile...only to re-emerge as a businessman? (I don't know. I stopped reading Iron Man when he killed a boat load of people and was saved by a literal angel)

Seriously. Joker has a MO. Lex Luthor has a MO. Mandarin started as a semi-racist caricature in the vein of the Yellow Claw that has managed to endure longer then memory of Christopher Lee's portrayal of Fu Manchu all the while his entire character is constantly overhauled and altered with every appearance he makes.


Actually, that kinda why I think he SHOULD appear. The movies bring in a new audence, and when things really work they get incorporated into the comics. So maybe if we get a movie Mandarin, we will get something that finally and definatively sticks with him, if they do a good job with him.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:56 PM

QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ May 30 2012, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You may know this, but an alternate version of that scene included on the DVD has him preparing to commit suicide so he can take Tony with him.


I honestly didn't. As much as I loved the movie, I actually only ever did see it in theaters. I retract that previous statement then - if a shot was filmed invoking that scene, I've got no bone to pick.

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Well, wouldn't his appearing in a film allow his motives to be untangled and defined better? It would probably give the comics character a real shot in the arm in the process and help redefine him going forward.


Why bother though? Yes a total re-invention would probably help the character, but like I said his motives already bounce around like a ping pong ball. There's no guarantee a totally fresh take on the Mandarin would stick - I mean, the dude was part dragon in the 90s. They've tried this before. Mandarin is one of those characters that is often used but is only what the story calls for, never a driver of the story.

His Heroes Return debut was a prime example of this. A year's worth of build up and hints all culminating in a fight over Russia in a giant mechanical sky dragon. With Tony half dead in order to make it even a fight. And then Mandarin doesn't even do anything except be shot out of the sky.

That was the story that convinced me the Mandarin just isn't villain material. He's the go-to Plot Device when a story falls to pieces or they just need filler. If I want Tony to match wits with a evil genius, I'll stick to his tussles with Doctor Doom.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 06:15 PM

The Mandarin is ALWAYS gonna be Ironman's top villian though. Like Doom (who they don't have the rights to for the MFU and probably wont in the foreseeable future) will always be the top match of the FF and the Red Skull of Cap. That's not going away at this point, and so HE's not.

So if he's always gonna be there, as the Arch-Foe OR as the unspoken Elephant in the room (with everyone constantly asking "When they gonna do the Mandarin?") then why NOT try to turn him into a good actual match for Tony. If he's been a poor arch-foe in the past then remold him into a foe who WOULD BE a great arch foe. That makes perfect sense to me, if you have a writter who is up to it. And if it worked in the film really well it certainly would be sucked back into the books I think.

-ZacWilliam, if we can get Colson and Samuel L Fury in the 616 a sucessful movie Mandarin could certainly cross over.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 06:26 PM

TOTALLY sweet spoiler that's visible on the General Discussion page. Thanks!
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 06:33 PM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ May 30 2012, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Mandarin is ALWAYS gonna be Ironman's top villian though. Like Doom (who they don't have the rights to for the MFU and probably wont in the foreseeable future) will always be the top match of the FF and the Res Skull of Cap. That's not going away at this point, and so HE's not.

So if he's always gonna be there, as the Arch-Foe OR as the unspoken Elephant in the room (with everyone constantly asking "When they gonna do the Mandarin?") then why NOT try to turn him into a good actual match for Tony. If he's been a poor arch-foe in the past then remold him into a foe who WOULD BE a great arch foe. That makes perfect sense to me, if you have a writter who is up to it. And if it worked in the film really well it certainly would be sucked back into the books I think.

-ZacWilliam, if we can get Colson and Samuel L Fury in the 616 a sucessful movie Mandarin could certainly cross over.


You know, maybe they could make Mandarin into their Doom, since as Zac says we may NEVER see Doom in the MFV. As even epoxy of Doom is better then what they usually do with him. They're going to need more large scale villains; And they can't use Osborn or Doom which already removes about half the potential big players they can use. So best to use the guy they is always reinvented, to kill two birds with one stone. A successful movie intervention will reinvigorate the character becuase Movies are so high profile that they trump about everything when done right, and it gives them someone other then Loki to be a big player on the villain scale.

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QUOTE(Big Show @ May 30 2012, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
TOTALLY sweet spoiler that's visible on the General Discussion page. Thanks!


My apologies. I changed it.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 07:02 PM

QUOTE(Bainreese @ May 30 2012, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Big Show @ May 30 2012, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
TOTALLY sweet spoiler that's visible on the General Discussion page. Thanks!


My apologies. I changed it.


I'll forgive it. This time. icon-arcee.gif
QUOTE(David Willis)
There's a distinct difference between buying something and SUPERbuying.
And SUPERbuying is not quite as extreme as buying the HUG outta something.
There's a hierarchy.