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@  Shrug : (21 July 2018 - 02:11 PM)

Anyone have experience with HFTD Seaspray? I just bought a used one (for a buck!) and all his hip ratchets broke on first movement. Does he just generally have fragile ratchets or is GPS starting?

@  Paladin : (20 July 2018 - 09:24 PM)

Remember it, for it is the last thing you will hear before I *shuffle* EXPRESS MY FEELINGS IN SONG!!!!!!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 July 2018 - 08:46 PM)

Blitzwing, eh?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 July 2018 - 08:46 PM)

Huh.

@  wonko the sane? : (20 July 2018 - 06:29 PM)

He leaks his crankcase, then we all catch a few new dents.

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 July 2018 - 02:58 PM)

Quick, somebody put his hand in some warm oil and see what happens.

@  wonko the sane? : (20 July 2018 - 02:25 PM)

Guys, SSSHHHHH. Megatron is passed out right over there, and dude is a MEAN drunk. Don't wake him up.

@  Paladin : (20 July 2018 - 02:04 PM)

*checks Hasbro's offerings* so, never. :(

@  Jetstream C-18 : (20 July 2018 - 01:26 PM)

They're all hugged when Omega Supreme gets back

@  unluckiness : (20 July 2018 - 10:00 AM)

Megatron is hammered! Now, I, Starscream am leader of the Decepticons!

@  wonko the sane? : (20 July 2018 - 09:47 AM)

And megatron is so confused as to why no one is shooting at him anymore that he starts binge drinking.

@  unluckiness : (20 July 2018 - 08:46 AM)

Grimlock eats them for lunch.

@  Paladin : (20 July 2018 - 08:09 AM)

Optimus wants to free the Minicons. Ultra Magnus says it infringes states' rights.

@  wonko the sane? : (20 July 2018 - 08:07 AM)

So... the nicest beings in the universe are fighting with each other?

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 July 2018 - 08:01 AM)

No Decepticons. It's Autobots Civil War.

@  Gryllid : (20 July 2018 - 07:55 AM)

New York Comic Con is in October, maybe there?

@  Nevermore : (20 July 2018 - 05:49 AM)

So.. thus far, Hasbro only revealed Autobots for Siege. Any ideas which show they will reveal the Decepticons at?

@  Nevermore : (20 July 2018 - 05:44 AM)

So where did the "Stege" logo come from? All I can find is Sipher posting it an making fun of it. Where did that inconvenient version originate?

@  Sabrblade : (19 July 2018 - 11:53 PM)

True. But it was due to Transformers' use of the name that Saban at the time couldn't use it.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 July 2018 - 11:38 PM)

But that's not necessarily a reference, just an attempt to use "Technobable" name.

@  Sabrblade : (19 July 2018 - 10:57 PM)

It's not Power Rangers, but Saban's VR Troopers was originally going to be titled "Cybertron".

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 July 2018 - 09:26 PM)

@paladin Energon would be too obvious. That's why I like Ore-13. It's not overt.. but still a nice nod.

@  Paladin : (19 July 2018 - 08:05 PM)

the original Sentai called it "Enetron." all they have to change is ONE LETTER.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 July 2018 - 06:26 PM)

@saberblade True.. But I don't know.. I just want something simple like the "Energy source" in Beast Morphers to be Ore-13 or something like that.

@  Sabrblade : (19 July 2018 - 05:41 PM)

@Tm_Silverclaw: Operation Overdrive did have a weapon called the "Transtech Armor" ;)

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 July 2018 - 04:49 PM)

*sigh* This is going to be a long subline.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 July 2018 - 04:49 PM)

I already hate the overuse of "STEGE".

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 July 2018 - 04:16 PM)

I just want Power Ranger refferenes in TF and Vice versa now.

@  Onyxstrike : (19 July 2018 - 11:32 AM)

I think Hasbro might be after more than just my money this time around with these reveals.

@  Otaku : (18 July 2018 - 02:39 PM)

@TheMightyMollusk Thanks for clarifying.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 July 2018 - 12:34 PM)

@Otaku, most people were oblivious. The smart ones did their emergency shopping the day before, so there wasn't much left anyway.

@  MEDdMI : (18 July 2018 - 09:37 AM)

@wonko Only happened a few times and I don't remember the exact details, but yeah.

@  Otaku : (18 July 2018 - 08:06 AM)

@TheMightyMollusk Is that really the same thing? I mean, it is if the people were casually shopping and oblivious to the danger to them or the employees of the store, but if they were desperately trying to get needed supplies themselves... or am I just supposed to be smart enough to know you wouldn't have brought it up if it wasn't the former? >_<

@  wonko the sane? : (18 July 2018 - 07:59 AM)

Okay, what? I've had to explain why the TV wouldn't work when the power is out to children, but never to an adult in their right mind.

@  MEDdMI : (18 July 2018 - 07:44 AM)

*When I worked at the cable call center, some people wondered why their TV wouldn't work when there was an outage...

@  MEDdMI : (18 July 2018 - 07:43 AM)

w

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 July 2018 - 03:11 AM)

We had people still trying to shop while we were being pushed by state police to shut the store down due to flooding. The police finally had to help herd them out.

@  MEDdMI : (17 July 2018 - 07:36 PM)

Or working for an airline and people complaining about not being able to take off in severe weather, and expecting us to know when the bad weather will end. *points at window*

@  MEDdMI : (17 July 2018 - 07:34 PM)

Outages/fire alarms are fun when you work retail and people complain that they can't keep shopping.

@  Echowarrior : (17 July 2018 - 07:11 PM)

Outages occasionally happened at the fulfillment center I used to work at. Never fun.

@  Nevermore : (17 July 2018 - 04:51 PM)

Apparently the early shift (i.e. those who didn't participate in the walkout) were sitting in the cafeteria, waiting for power to return, while the late shift couldn't even enter the building.

@  wonko the sane? : (17 July 2018 - 04:18 PM)

Oh, wow. I thought the news about the website outtage would have been the topper, but that pretty much wins.

@  Nevermore : (17 July 2018 - 04:14 PM)

Whoopsie.

@  Nevermore : (17 July 2018 - 04:14 PM)

First the union called for a two-day strike yesterday, and then today the entire city where the Amazon warehouse I work at is located apparently had a power outage.

@  Nevermore : (17 July 2018 - 04:14 PM)

So,uh. Seems like Amazon's Prime Day really didn't go well this year.

@  unluckiness : (17 July 2018 - 09:55 AM)

It wasn't just blander and more polite bacon like I was expecting

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 July 2018 - 09:51 AM)

Canadian bacon.

@  wonko the sane? : (17 July 2018 - 09:15 AM)

And the even more important question is: is that ballpit deep enough to conceal a body... what?

@  unluckiness : (17 July 2018 - 05:35 AM)

THe more important question is if they have a ball pit

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (16 July 2018 - 10:18 PM)

How many attendees on average does TFcon get? And how about TFNation?


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#141 Flashlight

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 05:12 AM

I like both, but everytime I go back and watch animated I feel like im watching someones person fanon. Its just a bunch of G1 ideas kind of mixed up with questionable human interactions.

Prime isnt much better.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 05:35 AM

QUOTE(Razorsaw @ May 10 2012, 03:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because he has to talk about it all the time.

When the Autobots to go all psycho "DIS IS FER U, MORF!!!" whenever someone mentions Cliffjumper, yes I am expecting Dreadwing, who came to Earth solely to avenge his brother, to mention it more than once.

Bulkhead beat Starscream to death to avenge Cliffjumper. He smashed his head 'til it was nothing but an Energon stain on the floor. Sure, it turned out not to be the real deal, but he did it to avenge a guy who we know nothing about his relationship with. Were they friends? Begrudging rivals? Maybe they didn't even like eachother all too much, but it was either them or the 'cons, so they managed. No idea.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 05:40 AM

QUOTE(Fishbug @ May 10 2012, 06:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Razorsaw @ May 10 2012, 03:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because he has to talk about it all the time.

When the Autobots to go all psycho "DIS IS FER U, MORF!!!" whenever someone mentions Cliffjumper, yes I am expecting Dreadwing, who came to Earth solely to avenge his brother, to mention it more than once.

Just randomly, in the middle of other, more important things?

Especially considering that we haven't actually seen him interact with anyone but other Decepticons since his debut episode? All of twice? One instance of which he was kind of trying to keep the Decepticon warship from taking over, kind of more important?


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Posted 10 May 2012 - 05:58 AM

If only he ever had the Autobots all held at gunpoint. Then he could tell them what he really thinks.

Edited by Fishbug, 10 May 2012 - 05:58 AM.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:14 AM

QUOTE(Fishbug @ May 10 2012, 06:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If only he ever had the Autobots all held at gunpoint. Then he could tell them what he really thinks.

Wasn't that in Crossfire?

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


#146 M Sipher

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:35 AM

Oh, right.

When he was busy trying to save his lord and master's life.

The same lord and master who had made it quite explicitly clear after Dreadwing nearly got himself killed in his little revenge ploy that this whole "MY BROTHER IS DEAD" thing wasn't going to fly and that Dreadwing has best reorganize his priorities.

Yeah, going on about your dead brother in those circumstances seems like an incredibly intelligent career move.


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Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:38 AM

Megatron got to have a pre-retreat speech. You're telling me Dreadwing saying "This is not over" before leaving would have just been too much to handle?

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#148 Detour

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:38 AM

In other words, "Megatron tells Dreadwing to get over his brother's death, Dreadwing complies, and it's never brought up again".
Yeah, that death had meaning.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:44 AM

Or, you know, he keeps it to himself after almost being killed trying to avenge said brother.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:47 AM

Because we all know for a fact that it will never be brought up in any future episodes ever, and context of the scene is meaningless.


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Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:49 AM

When Prime does it, it's a tired plot device.
When Animated does it, it's good writing!

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:57 AM

QUOTE(M Sipher @ May 10 2012, 07:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because we all know for a fact that it will never be brought up in any future episodes ever, and context of the scene is meaningless.


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QUOTE(Fishbug @ May 10 2012, 07:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Megatron got to have a pre-retreat speech. You're telling me Dreadwing saying "This is not over" before leaving would have just been too much to handle?


He doesn't need to be on a constant roaring rampage of revenge for the death to have meaning. But jesus, it's his entire reason for being on Earth to begin with, let's see something about his brother's death come up! It's been six episodes since his debut! Are the MacGuffins Of The Week really that much more important than character dynamics?

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:03 AM

A very difficult choice to make in a lot of ways. I guess pro-con it out.

Animated
PRO
* Huge recurring cast, tons of background cameos
--Including references across the entire spectrum (Beast Wars, Japan's G1, and so on)
*Stellar voice cast (Kaye, Bennett, Summers, Burton, Henrickson, etc)
--Up to an including casting Weird Al as Wreck-gar and Judd F'in Nelson as Rodimus
* Original characters added to the mythos (Lugnut, Bulkhead, Sentinel Prime, Yoketron)
* Great reinterpretations of older characters to give them new life (Arcee the teacher, Blitzwing the insane, Shockwave the infiltrator, Prowl the ninja, and so on)
* Strong continuity
* Great sense of humor most of the time.
* The second most threatening Megatron, THE most successful Starscream
* Finally remembering that the universe goes far beyond just our tiny core cast
* A semi-lovable supporting cast of squishies. Varied from story to story.
* Examining Cybertronian society and giving them a sense of history
* Great Original Soundtrack (Omegatron being a personal favorite)
* The first 5 minutes of "Transwarped Pt. 1" Nuff said

CON
* Human villains (uhg. In small doses fine, but the first season is far less good on repeat viewings)
* Character designs take a lot of getting used to (Both on show and as figures. Not to say they are bad, just a drastic departure.)
* MacGuffin do anything All-Spark plot device/Key
* Cut criminally short to make way for yet another poor movie/toyline.


PRIME
PROS
* Mostly great character designs, including some of the most expressive work done to date
* Gorgeous backgrounds
* Takes itself seriously in a well balanced way
* Insanely good action and fight scenes, some of the finest in the franchise period.
--Special Mention for One Shall Fall, easily the best fight since TFTM.
* Great Original Soundtrack
* Surprisingly good Squishy cast
--Special mention for June and Jack, Fowler is a lot more fun than Fanzone, and I actually like Miko.
* Amazing voice cast (KMR, Welker and Cullen together again, Steven Blum, Tony Todd, Gina Torres and Adam Baldwin and so on)
* Original/Expanded Characters (KnockOut and Airachnid being incredible, and the new Arcee is great~)
* THE most Threatening Megatron in TF history
* Solid stories (even with their MacGuffins), and a good job at history building.
* Lots of great callbacks across the spectrum
* Effective Human Villains

CONS
* Pointed nose/crests look poor on some designs.
--Baby Face Optimus prime <shudder>
* Recycled models (par for any CG series, not show specific), occasionally very dull scenery (any times in town)
* MacGuffin of the week plot, and ALL of Cybertrons history landed here (up to an including Big U)
* Certain character weirdness (Wheeljack is Drift, Arcee not being named Chromia~, High Turn over of 'Con cast)
* Raf.... Hug the hugging hug out of Raf. (Boy genius, Hollywood hacker, Oh I understand bee BS...Hug him)
* Shrill beeping Bee (with continued Bee oversaturation, and the idea that he is still a scout when he is clearly a striker)
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Overall, I like Animated's universe a lot more, but if I want to see something epic, I'm watching Prime.
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:13 AM

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THE most successful Starscream

I kinda disagree with that for TFA Starscream, considering how Cybertron Starscream needed to be beaten by Primus himself.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:23 AM

A lot about Prime feels like it was designed by committee. It just feels too safe, too solid. Theres nothing wrong with it, except a few things, but it all feels too prepared. for all of Animated faults, like animation not being the best or writing being off or whatever, the finished product felt more "warm" to me. If you saw a crappy episode, or a good one, it felt like they were having fun with it. In comparison,watching Prime really does feel like a chore. Maybe it's partially budget, and maybe it's because they have no risk of cancellation, but they have to continue upping the stakes. So many episodes begin to blur in my head, and it feels like they could use a loooot of brevity.

And man, am I tired of hearing Animated's design style was icky or whatever. Was it very template based? yeah, but honestly, so were a lot of other series. And people hating it because "lack of detail" Have those people never watched cartoons past the 80's? That generic, detailed, 80's design work bogs down animation because it's hard to keep on model. It's funny that Batman TAS was mentioned, because at the time, people thought it looked weird because it was far less detailed and looked nothing like past action cartoons

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:26 AM

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[citation needed]

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:40 AM


Animated was a noticeably better, more even, more polished show all throughout, and in 3 seasons it only had maybe 2 really bad episodes (Velocity and Sari No One's Home).

Prime is great... NOW. But at least half of season one is unwatchable and there are still clunkers every four or five eps or so, and after having squandered all that time at the beginning they had to make up for it by basically fast-narrating a ton of backstory at us. It simply is not as well-planned or well-structured as Animated was.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:59 AM

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people thought it looked weird because it was far less detailed and looked nothing like past action cartoons


[citation needed]

As always in cases like this, any "evidence" is going to be anecdotal at best, but I can tell you that when BTAS came out and I was in love with it, the majority of my friends and classmates thought it looked weird and stupid and should have looked more like the totally rad comic-book-detailed Fox X-Men.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 09:29 AM

It does seem like Animated is getting a bit overrated here. It's a great show that I really enjoyed overall. I wish it would have continued, and I hate that we missed out on several toys and that S3 still hasn't been released on DVD. But like every show, it was far from perfect.

Right off the top of my head, the single thing that absolutely killed the series for me were the damn stasis cuffs. The show went to great lengths to limit exposure to the Decepticons in order to enhance their threat. Then the show absolutely cuts itself off at the knees by introducing an instant-win plot device. Any Decepticon, no matter how powerful, could suddenly be defeated instantly by slapping a pair of cuffs on them. Unless the fight needed to be epic, in which case the Autobots simply forget they exist. It reeks of incredibly poor writing. They built the villains up so high that they couldn't figure out how to have the heroes deal with them, so they just threw in a deus ex machina. For all the MacGuffins Prime has had, none have so unbalanced the show as stasis cuffs did. As if the key wasn't already enough...

Speaking of the Decepticons, where was Animated's great character work on the other side? Every Decepticon, aside from the one that was a converted Autobot, were extremely shallow characters. By keeping them out of sight, they are left very underdeveloped. It again sheds a poor light on the writers, implying they couldn't manage developing these characters while still making them credible threats. Prime isn't the best example of doing this right, but it's done better than Animated thus far.

I really like both shows. A lot. I can't pick between the two. I just get the sense that a lot of people here are focusing a lot on Prime's faults while pretending Animated's don't exist.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 10:22 AM

The show: Animated was fun, but Prime is entertaining.

The toys: Animated was fun, but Prime is entertaining.

Something to me that is fun is something distracting to indulge in to take your mind off the worries of the world for a short period of time, but then grows old and stale and you need to move on to other things.

Something that is entertaining is something to keep up with for longevity's sake, and has the gutspa to last a long time.

So I'd probably watch Animated in the privacy of my room, but I'd show off Prime to my friends. I'd play with Animated toys, but I'd collect Prime toys.

But I don't think these two can be accurately compared yet until the Prime series is over. It's like comparing a finished painting to a half-finished sculpture. Not only are the mediums of art (in this case, the intent of the series) significantly different, one isn't even finished yet.

But that's typical of fangasm circle-jerking.

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