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@  Steevy Maximus : (21 April 2018 - 08:52 PM)

Just a few more days until my Battletech key goes live on GOG...

@  Steevy Maximus : (21 April 2018 - 08:51 PM)

The first Transformers live action film really IS a lot better than what popular culture has made it out to be.

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 April 2018 - 08:27 PM)

I dunno if I'd go that far. I enjoyed the first Bayformers more than the MMPR Movie remake

@  RichardT1977 : (21 April 2018 - 08:22 PM)

For the record, it was better than the (live-action) Transformers movies.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 April 2018 - 08:21 PM)

No, I wasn't at the krispy kreme when I beat them. Wait, what?

@  Paladin : (21 April 2018 - 08:13 PM)

go back to Krispy Kreme

@  wonko the sane? : (21 April 2018 - 07:08 PM)

I beat five teenagers with attitude before, I can do it again.

@  Pennpenn : (21 April 2018 - 07:02 PM)

Great, after ten thousand years Wonko is free again. Does this mean more Power Rangers are needed? Again?

@  Patchouli Kn... : (21 April 2018 - 06:14 PM)

Ah, the layer of ice that froze it shut finally melted?

@  wonko the sane? : (21 April 2018 - 09:14 AM)

Oh my god! GUYS! It's actually warm enough I was able to open my window!

@  Sabrblade : (20 April 2018 - 11:14 PM)

Eh, I guess. He did fairly well on his own as an independent in his first appearance and such.

@  Otaku : (20 April 2018 - 10:04 PM)

@Sabrblade Vulture tends to fare poorly as his own boss. Working for a great version of Doc Ock ain't a bad gig... and I did ask if about "bad" as opposed to "not the best". ;)

@  Plokatron : (20 April 2018 - 09:53 PM)

@Egon1982 No my friend Mutator Spiders as in get caught in their web and you are mutated into a even more animalistic creature than you were. Hordika were Half Sentient beings half Wild animal and unlike Spiderman it affected each race slightly differnt with Toa being of a similar mutation to each other. My guess for Spiderman is he would become more spider like but with a inside skeletal structure hmm wonder what Visorak Venom would do to CNA make Dinobot Predacon like monsters or something wild?!

@  Paladin : (20 April 2018 - 04:15 PM)

compared to the "youth-sucking" gimmick from the other series? BIG step up.

@  Sabrblade : (20 April 2018 - 03:57 PM)

@Otaku: What about that show's take on Vulture? He had potential at first but he eventually just settled into being a lackey rather than his own boss.

@  Egon1982 : (20 April 2018 - 02:44 PM)

Did anyone else thought Thunder in Big Trouble in Little China when he was inflating looked like a garbage pail kid before he blew up into salad? I always thought that since seeing the movie in theaters at age 5. 

@  Egon1982 : (20 April 2018 - 02:25 PM)

Mutator spiders as in man-spider?

@  Otaku : (20 April 2018 - 11:06 AM)

Shocker was a pretty good villain in The Spectacular Spider-Man animated series. Wait, does that count since I can't think of a bad take on any character from that series? ;)

@  Arazyr : (20 April 2018 - 09:26 AM)

Ontario/Detroit area? Yeah. Supposedly, you could feel it from where I live, but I didn't notice. I never feel these things. 8(

@  Paladin : (20 April 2018 - 07:08 AM)

so that WAS an earthquake last night...

@  Plokatron : (19 April 2018 - 09:43 PM)

Webhead Vs. Mutater Spiders. Hmmm I can see this ending badly with HordikaMan Hey maybe it'd make Venom catchable with spider sense.

@  Broadside : (19 April 2018 - 09:16 PM)

Can't wait for Spider-Man to fight the Visorak

@  RichardT1977 : (19 April 2018 - 05:32 PM)

Aw, man!

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 April 2018 - 04:47 PM)

SNIPER NO SNIPING

@  Bass X0 : (19 April 2018 - 04:33 PM)

SNIPERER!

@  Paladin : (19 April 2018 - 10:34 AM)

hated that game. damn sniper level's insane.

@  Plokatron : (19 April 2018 - 08:21 AM)

You know what's funny? Both Spiderman and Bionicle have a title in common. Web of Shadows. :p

@  Liege : (19 April 2018 - 08:03 AM)

Don't mocks the Shocker!

@  unluckiness : (19 April 2018 - 04:46 AM)

But he's the second lamest Spider-Man villain

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 April 2018 - 10:56 PM)

You know.. for all intents and purposes, Shocker should have won in Kamen Rider 71.

@  Plokatron : (18 April 2018 - 06:55 PM)

:wtf :D :wtf Can't wait can't wait just a couple more days and I'm at Comiccon Cape! Gonna be a blast! I hope they have that freaking proper Master Sword Replica this year with the black handel (I love the one from the old comic drawn by the guy who did Cyborg 009)!!!

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 April 2018 - 05:55 AM)

Found on Cranialtome.

@  unluckiness : (18 April 2018 - 05:32 AM)

Oh, so MP-scaled Bill Cypher with stupidly fiddly hands.

@  wonko the sane? : (17 April 2018 - 08:47 AM)

through a third party on facebook.

@  RichardT1977 : (16 April 2018 - 11:30 PM)

Did the Vok know Bill Cipher?

@  Steevy Maximus : (16 April 2018 - 08:09 PM)

See my thread ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (16 April 2018 - 01:32 PM)

Do you mean physically without actually wiring them up?

@  wonko the sane? : (16 April 2018 - 01:32 PM)

Uh... how do you not know?

@  Steevy Maximus : (16 April 2018 - 12:46 PM)

I'm wondering if HP stuck in an extra 128SDD + 3TB HDD into the computer I bought for $850

@  Benbot : (16 April 2018 - 11:58 AM)

"OH"

@  Sabrblade : (16 April 2018 - 11:06 AM)

"Semper Fi"

@  EShadowP : (16 April 2018 - 10:36 AM)

"Simper-Fi" :thumbsup

@  Plokatron : (16 April 2018 - 12:31 AM)

Oh my word it is true. The greatest Gunnery Sargent to live is now gone. Gunny I know I'd of never cut the mustard if you were my CO but as I friend I would of been humbled and honored to know a man who truly knew the corp. May the jackets always be full metal and no watermelon left standing. Forgive the jokes there but you made it clear you hated watermelons with how many you sliced, blasted and plain disintegrated on Tv. :thumbsup  (Why do we not have a Wheeljack salute emot?)  Simper-Fi Carry on Gunny see you up there in the great kingdom one day hope you enjoy the company of my great uncles and everyone who you saw last on that field of honor.

@  Plokatron : (16 April 2018 - 12:21 AM)

Wait what!!!!!!! Gunny is dead!!!!

@  Sabrblade : (15 April 2018 - 09:37 PM)

RIP, R. Lee Ermey :(

@  B-Fox : (15 April 2018 - 02:06 PM)

If yer yellah!

@  Otaku : (15 April 2018 - 07:55 AM)

@fourteenwings If not, it is really, really close. Then again, maybe you shouldn't trust me. I liked the jacket. XD

@  fourteenwings : (15 April 2018 - 05:32 AM)

Bill Maher?

@  Bass X0 : (15 April 2018 - 03:52 AM)

Should we as a society change our way of life, culture and general thinking to that which people fifty years from now could look back without being judgemental of our ways? Today we look back at people from fifty years ago and openly criticise things that were considered acceptable and normal back then as not fitting in with our modern day standards that we have to censor them, or have the disclaimer that's just how it was back then. So surely things we as a population consider normal and acceptable today may not fit in with the standards of fifty years from now. But how do we know what would be acceptable and normal fifty years from now that we are supposedly doing wrong today? We don't. That's the point when we are applying modern day standards and way of thinking to a time fifty years ago.

@  Plokatron : (14 April 2018 - 11:09 PM)

Thank you my friend. I hope so too.


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#141 Flashlight

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 05:12 AM

I like both, but everytime I go back and watch animated I feel like im watching someones person fanon. Its just a bunch of G1 ideas kind of mixed up with questionable human interactions.

Prime isnt much better.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 05:35 AM

QUOTE(Razorsaw @ May 10 2012, 03:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because he has to talk about it all the time.

When the Autobots to go all psycho "DIS IS FER U, MORF!!!" whenever someone mentions Cliffjumper, yes I am expecting Dreadwing, who came to Earth solely to avenge his brother, to mention it more than once.

Bulkhead beat Starscream to death to avenge Cliffjumper. He smashed his head 'til it was nothing but an Energon stain on the floor. Sure, it turned out not to be the real deal, but he did it to avenge a guy who we know nothing about his relationship with. Were they friends? Begrudging rivals? Maybe they didn't even like eachother all too much, but it was either them or the 'cons, so they managed. No idea.

Edited by Fishbug, 10 May 2012 - 05:42 AM.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 05:40 AM

QUOTE(Fishbug @ May 10 2012, 06:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Razorsaw @ May 10 2012, 03:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because he has to talk about it all the time.

When the Autobots to go all psycho "DIS IS FER U, MORF!!!" whenever someone mentions Cliffjumper, yes I am expecting Dreadwing, who came to Earth solely to avenge his brother, to mention it more than once.

Just randomly, in the middle of other, more important things?

Especially considering that we haven't actually seen him interact with anyone but other Decepticons since his debut episode? All of twice? One instance of which he was kind of trying to keep the Decepticon warship from taking over, kind of more important?


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#144 Fishbug

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 05:58 AM

If only he ever had the Autobots all held at gunpoint. Then he could tell them what he really thinks.

Edited by Fishbug, 10 May 2012 - 05:58 AM.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:14 AM

QUOTE(Fishbug @ May 10 2012, 06:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If only he ever had the Autobots all held at gunpoint. Then he could tell them what he really thinks.

Wasn't that in Crossfire?

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


#146 M Sipher

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:35 AM

Oh, right.

When he was busy trying to save his lord and master's life.

The same lord and master who had made it quite explicitly clear after Dreadwing nearly got himself killed in his little revenge ploy that this whole "MY BROTHER IS DEAD" thing wasn't going to fly and that Dreadwing has best reorganize his priorities.

Yeah, going on about your dead brother in those circumstances seems like an incredibly intelligent career move.


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Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:38 AM

Megatron got to have a pre-retreat speech. You're telling me Dreadwing saying "This is not over" before leaving would have just been too much to handle?

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#148 Detour

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:38 AM

In other words, "Megatron tells Dreadwing to get over his brother's death, Dreadwing complies, and it's never brought up again".
Yeah, that death had meaning.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:44 AM

Or, you know, he keeps it to himself after almost being killed trying to avenge said brother.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:47 AM

Because we all know for a fact that it will never be brought up in any future episodes ever, and context of the scene is meaningless.


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Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:49 AM

When Prime does it, it's a tired plot device.
When Animated does it, it's good writing!

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:57 AM

QUOTE(M Sipher @ May 10 2012, 07:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because we all know for a fact that it will never be brought up in any future episodes ever, and context of the scene is meaningless.


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QUOTE(Fishbug @ May 10 2012, 07:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Megatron got to have a pre-retreat speech. You're telling me Dreadwing saying "This is not over" before leaving would have just been too much to handle?


He doesn't need to be on a constant roaring rampage of revenge for the death to have meaning. But jesus, it's his entire reason for being on Earth to begin with, let's see something about his brother's death come up! It's been six episodes since his debut! Are the MacGuffins Of The Week really that much more important than character dynamics?

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:03 AM

A very difficult choice to make in a lot of ways. I guess pro-con it out.

Animated
PRO
* Huge recurring cast, tons of background cameos
--Including references across the entire spectrum (Beast Wars, Japan's G1, and so on)
*Stellar voice cast (Kaye, Bennett, Summers, Burton, Henrickson, etc)
--Up to an including casting Weird Al as Wreck-gar and Judd F'in Nelson as Rodimus
* Original characters added to the mythos (Lugnut, Bulkhead, Sentinel Prime, Yoketron)
* Great reinterpretations of older characters to give them new life (Arcee the teacher, Blitzwing the insane, Shockwave the infiltrator, Prowl the ninja, and so on)
* Strong continuity
* Great sense of humor most of the time.
* The second most threatening Megatron, THE most successful Starscream
* Finally remembering that the universe goes far beyond just our tiny core cast
* A semi-lovable supporting cast of squishies. Varied from story to story.
* Examining Cybertronian society and giving them a sense of history
* Great Original Soundtrack (Omegatron being a personal favorite)
* The first 5 minutes of "Transwarped Pt. 1" Nuff said

CON
* Human villains (uhg. In small doses fine, but the first season is far less good on repeat viewings)
* Character designs take a lot of getting used to (Both on show and as figures. Not to say they are bad, just a drastic departure.)
* MacGuffin do anything All-Spark plot device/Key
* Cut criminally short to make way for yet another poor movie/toyline.


PRIME
PROS
* Mostly great character designs, including some of the most expressive work done to date
* Gorgeous backgrounds
* Takes itself seriously in a well balanced way
* Insanely good action and fight scenes, some of the finest in the franchise period.
--Special Mention for One Shall Fall, easily the best fight since TFTM.
* Great Original Soundtrack
* Surprisingly good Squishy cast
--Special mention for June and Jack, Fowler is a lot more fun than Fanzone, and I actually like Miko.
* Amazing voice cast (KMR, Welker and Cullen together again, Steven Blum, Tony Todd, Gina Torres and Adam Baldwin and so on)
* Original/Expanded Characters (KnockOut and Airachnid being incredible, and the new Arcee is great~)
* THE most Threatening Megatron in TF history
* Solid stories (even with their MacGuffins), and a good job at history building.
* Lots of great callbacks across the spectrum
* Effective Human Villains

CONS
* Pointed nose/crests look poor on some designs.
--Baby Face Optimus prime <shudder>
* Recycled models (par for any CG series, not show specific), occasionally very dull scenery (any times in town)
* MacGuffin of the week plot, and ALL of Cybertrons history landed here (up to an including Big U)
* Certain character weirdness (Wheeljack is Drift, Arcee not being named Chromia~, High Turn over of 'Con cast)
* Raf.... Hug the hugging hug out of Raf. (Boy genius, Hollywood hacker, Oh I understand bee BS...Hug him)
* Shrill beeping Bee (with continued Bee oversaturation, and the idea that he is still a scout when he is clearly a striker)
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Overall, I like Animated's universe a lot more, but if I want to see something epic, I'm watching Prime.
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:13 AM

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THE most successful Starscream

I kinda disagree with that for TFA Starscream, considering how Cybertron Starscream needed to be beaten by Primus himself.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:23 AM

A lot about Prime feels like it was designed by committee. It just feels too safe, too solid. Theres nothing wrong with it, except a few things, but it all feels too prepared. for all of Animated faults, like animation not being the best or writing being off or whatever, the finished product felt more "warm" to me. If you saw a crappy episode, or a good one, it felt like they were having fun with it. In comparison,watching Prime really does feel like a chore. Maybe it's partially budget, and maybe it's because they have no risk of cancellation, but they have to continue upping the stakes. So many episodes begin to blur in my head, and it feels like they could use a loooot of brevity.

And man, am I tired of hearing Animated's design style was icky or whatever. Was it very template based? yeah, but honestly, so were a lot of other series. And people hating it because "lack of detail" Have those people never watched cartoons past the 80's? That generic, detailed, 80's design work bogs down animation because it's hard to keep on model. It's funny that Batman TAS was mentioned, because at the time, people thought it looked weird because it was far less detailed and looked nothing like past action cartoons

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:26 AM

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[citation needed]

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:40 AM


Animated was a noticeably better, more even, more polished show all throughout, and in 3 seasons it only had maybe 2 really bad episodes (Velocity and Sari No One's Home).

Prime is great... NOW. But at least half of season one is unwatchable and there are still clunkers every four or five eps or so, and after having squandered all that time at the beginning they had to make up for it by basically fast-narrating a ton of backstory at us. It simply is not as well-planned or well-structured as Animated was.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:59 AM

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people thought it looked weird because it was far less detailed and looked nothing like past action cartoons


[citation needed]

As always in cases like this, any "evidence" is going to be anecdotal at best, but I can tell you that when BTAS came out and I was in love with it, the majority of my friends and classmates thought it looked weird and stupid and should have looked more like the totally rad comic-book-detailed Fox X-Men.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 09:29 AM

It does seem like Animated is getting a bit overrated here. It's a great show that I really enjoyed overall. I wish it would have continued, and I hate that we missed out on several toys and that S3 still hasn't been released on DVD. But like every show, it was far from perfect.

Right off the top of my head, the single thing that absolutely killed the series for me were the damn stasis cuffs. The show went to great lengths to limit exposure to the Decepticons in order to enhance their threat. Then the show absolutely cuts itself off at the knees by introducing an instant-win plot device. Any Decepticon, no matter how powerful, could suddenly be defeated instantly by slapping a pair of cuffs on them. Unless the fight needed to be epic, in which case the Autobots simply forget they exist. It reeks of incredibly poor writing. They built the villains up so high that they couldn't figure out how to have the heroes deal with them, so they just threw in a deus ex machina. For all the MacGuffins Prime has had, none have so unbalanced the show as stasis cuffs did. As if the key wasn't already enough...

Speaking of the Decepticons, where was Animated's great character work on the other side? Every Decepticon, aside from the one that was a converted Autobot, were extremely shallow characters. By keeping them out of sight, they are left very underdeveloped. It again sheds a poor light on the writers, implying they couldn't manage developing these characters while still making them credible threats. Prime isn't the best example of doing this right, but it's done better than Animated thus far.

I really like both shows. A lot. I can't pick between the two. I just get the sense that a lot of people here are focusing a lot on Prime's faults while pretending Animated's don't exist.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 10:22 AM

The show: Animated was fun, but Prime is entertaining.

The toys: Animated was fun, but Prime is entertaining.

Something to me that is fun is something distracting to indulge in to take your mind off the worries of the world for a short period of time, but then grows old and stale and you need to move on to other things.

Something that is entertaining is something to keep up with for longevity's sake, and has the gutspa to last a long time.

So I'd probably watch Animated in the privacy of my room, but I'd show off Prime to my friends. I'd play with Animated toys, but I'd collect Prime toys.

But I don't think these two can be accurately compared yet until the Prime series is over. It's like comparing a finished painting to a half-finished sculpture. Not only are the mediums of art (in this case, the intent of the series) significantly different, one isn't even finished yet.

But that's typical of fangasm circle-jerking.

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