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@  wonko the sane? : (18 November 2017 - 08:37 AM)

You won't be at school or work anymore... so mitigated success.

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 November 2017 - 05:21 PM)

Just don't try to plug yourself into an outlet. It won't end well.

@  Bass X0 : (17 November 2017 - 04:57 PM)

Trying to stay awake at work or school is a lot like using your controller when it's on low battery

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 10:31 AM)

If you're used to doing it with tabs, that makes sense. It doesn't feel weird for me.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 10:28 AM)

Also, it just feels weird if switching between webpages uses the same actions as switching between programs.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 10:21 AM)

I switch between different things on the browser and click on various plugins and stuff far more often than switching from program to program.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 10:19 AM)

Yeah I'm mostly just venting from frustration rather than trying to convince anyone, though @NotVeryNightly I will point out that the windows for the other programs I'm running are at the bottom of the screen as well.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 10:09 AM)

Tabs are on the top, near the address bar, browser tools, plugins and whatnot so the cursor will be there frequently anyway. Switching windows would require going down the screen.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 10:03 AM)

I mean, you do you. No bigs. You've just got a fairly unique stance that surprised me.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 09:54 AM)

I haven't seen words on the bottom bar of the screen since XP.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:13 AM)

All of which is put on the point that I don't care if people want to use tabs, I just want the option to not have them present for me on my browser.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:12 AM)

@Shrug- A quick glance at the bottom of the screen shows me what is open and where. Load times are basically so trivial that the load indicator on a tab is something I didn't notice until you mentioned it. The "which instance is playing noise" is a fair point but has basically only really been approaching meaningful for me maybe twice in all the time tabs have existed.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:07 AM)

@NotveryKnightly- I have never encountered a situation where that is true, especially given that tabs are on the other side of the screen to the other things I'm switching through.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:06 AM)

@ Nevermore- The windows at the bottom have the names of the websites on them, presuming you don't collapse them.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 08:08 AM)

Geez, this is reminding me of the awful pre-tab days.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 08:07 AM)

I can look at the tab to see if it hasn't finished loading yet. Now you can see which tab is playing sound, so no need to hunt through windows to find a video ad that started playing.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 08:07 AM)

And a quick glance lets me know whats open and where. No clicking multiple windows hunting for something. No waiting for some window preview to pop up (which wasn't available when tabs first started.)

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 06:03 AM)

Switching between tabs is way quicker than between windows.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:09 AM)

It's like having a clear structore with sub-directores, instead of just having all files on your computer stored in one giant directory.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:08 AM)

This way, I can switch between windows and then select the tab, instead of always trying to remember which window is for which website.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:07 AM)

I find one browser window with multiple tabs a lot easier to handle alongside other windows than multiple browser windows alongside other windows.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:06 AM)

I find multiple tabs a lot more comfortable than multiple windows.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:06 AM)

erm... no?

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 03:26 AM)

On mobile devices and whatever I understand why tabs would be a thing, but on a full desktop browser it's just- "Hey, here's a thing that's kind of like opening a new window, but objectively worse in every practical way"

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 November 2017 - 01:41 AM)

Someone remind me again: which versions of the CW Hot Spot mold did not suffer from bad hip ratcheting?

@  BlackMax : (16 November 2017 - 06:33 PM)

Holy crap I just pushed the F11 key for the first time on a keyboard since about 1994.

@  Shrug : (16 November 2017 - 01:11 PM)

tabs being wretched bs is definitely an opinion I've never seen before

@  RC85747 : (16 November 2017 - 08:25 AM)

Vivaldi lets you hide the tab bar

@  Pennpenn : (16 November 2017 - 07:45 AM)

Yeah but that gets rid of everything else as well.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (16 November 2017 - 07:33 AM)

Hit F11 Pennpenn

@  Pennpenn : (16 November 2017 - 04:15 AM)

I get that people like tabs. Fine. Whatever. I just detest the fact that most current browsers don't let you have the option of just hiding the bar away so I don't have to even think about the wretched bullshit things.

@  Pennpenn : (16 November 2017 - 04:06 AM)

Does anyone know of a browser that doesn't force tabs on you? Just... any sodding browser that doesn't have tabs.

@  Telly : (16 November 2017 - 01:59 AM)

being mostly wrong is better than being TOTALLY wrong!

@  BlackMax : (15 November 2017 - 09:26 PM)

ALL HAIL THE BLESSED OCTOBUTT.

@  Strafe : (15 November 2017 - 08:24 PM)

I really hope so. All of my high school drawings and notes (Hand-written notes! God, I'm old.) from girls are in a chest in the attic of my parents house. I'll check when I visit!

@  MEDdMI : (15 November 2017 - 06:39 PM)

Do you still have those drawings?

@  BlackMax : (15 November 2017 - 06:31 PM)

I think lesbian ninjas is just an unmitigated good idea. *shrug*

@  Devcon : (15 November 2017 - 05:56 PM)

well, that and Balloon Doggies, Mr secretary

@  Strafe : (15 November 2017 - 04:12 PM)

It's my crowning Allspark achievement! You're welcome.

@  Strafe : (15 November 2017 - 04:05 PM)

"Someone" being me. No mystery to it, I used to draw a lot during class when I was in high school. I came up with lesbian ninjas, which were a specialized team of assassins with amazing hair and impeccable style. I scanned some of my drawings and mentioned them a few times on the ezboard 17 years ago, and people seemed to like the idea.

@  Copper Bezel : (15 November 2017 - 01:05 PM)

Thanks in any case!

@  Copper Bezel : (15 November 2017 - 01:05 PM)

Oh, wow. That is ages ago. 

@  Telly : (15 November 2017 - 01:03 PM)

ages ago meaning when the spark was still on ezboard

@  Telly : (15 November 2017 - 01:02 PM)

i think maybe it was part of a title of a movie someone posted ages ago and the "lesbian ninja" part stood out and people just latched on to it. please note this is possibly totally and completely wrong cause my memory is terrible anymore

@  Copper Bezel : (15 November 2017 - 12:11 PM)

I don't think it's a fandom thing, I think it's an Allspark thing. Or that's been my perception. Mayhem has some lesbian ninja regulars now but I think the reference is much older. = ] 

@  Robowang : (15 November 2017 - 11:02 AM)

Who knows. I always thought it was stupid.

@  RichardT1977 : (15 November 2017 - 10:31 AM)

What is this fandom's deal with lesbian ninjas? Is it some fantheory about Nightbird or something?

@  OrionPax44 : (15 November 2017 - 08:26 AM)

Huh my phone didn't even alert me for some reason. Guess it only does on the Mayhem Discord Hangouts??

@  BlackMax : (14 November 2017 - 09:41 PM)

Telly, you are FIRED as my PR agent. :D

@  Telly : (14 November 2017 - 09:05 PM)

you all dont know what you missed. there was fun. there were games. lesbian ninjas. tang and even a couple human sacrifices.


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#1 Kup

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:10 AM

As the title & description asks, which of the two most recent TF series do you prefer? I ask only because my son has been watching Animated the past few days, and its made me really nostalgic for that series.

So, obviously my answer is Animated. I have a hard time pinpointing why exactly, and I'm not necessarily saying I don't like Prime, but it hasn't grabbed my attention or dedication like Animated. Both series were DVR'ed, but unlike Animated, I'm not staying caught up. I read about the Unicron storyline via TFWiki, and only watched those 4 episodes since I was bored one night.

I know Animated had a lot of G1 nods with cameo characters and what not. I can't blame my preference on "movie influence" since Animated Season 1 was a variant on TF 2007. It may be because Animated debuted a few weeks after my boy was born, and we literally spent Saturday mornings the first few years of his life laying in bed watching them together (before he even know who *I* was, let alone the characters).

Maybe....Animated felt more solid? Richer back story, more diverse characters? I preferred GI Joe Renegades instantly over Prime, so maybe I prefer cell over CGI? I bought Renegades on iTunes, but I only own one episode (the free one) of Prime.....

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:15 AM

Prime. The shows are both good but Animated's animation was terrible at times. Plus there was a lot of potential wasted in Season 3 that could have been put to better use. I will say nothing in Prime was as exciting as Megatron's revival in Animated (though the 2nd half didn't live up to the hype in my opinion).

As for toys, I haven't bought more than a few Prime toys but I much prefer them to the Animated figures. I just couldn't get into them despite owning almost all of them (I'm selling them off).

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:19 AM

Both are good. Both have things about them that are very cool.

Animated is just a bit better IMO for having better writing. Its setting and universe managed to be both unique and full of references and really interesting and deep. Its characters were diverse and fun and dynamic. And its story arch, while it could have used one more season was really good and dynamic and exciting.


-ZacWilliam, the first and last of the points above is really where Animated out scores Prime so far IMO. I will say I love the Prime toys a lot more, it's done wonders for Arcee, and its CGI is beautiful.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:29 AM

I prefer Animated, but Prime is slowly getting better. Animated felt a little more lively, being set in the middle of a major city and having the Autobots interact with the population. (I know it's costly to produce such gorgeous CGI on a weekly basis, but it's just weird when we have Autobots going to New York, towing Jack with them to provide cover, and they only end up meeting a lone subway worker.) I also agree with Derrick J. Wyatt in that I like my Transformers to have less mythical elements to them. Not saying it's wrong or that magic has no place in the franchise (it absolutely does), but I can relate more with things like "a Prime is like a Captain" than "Prime comes from a lineage of near-gods".

TF:Prime is improving though, and I'm enjoying this season so much more than the first.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:33 AM

Animated had better character dynamics, more proactive villains and much less reliance on MacGuffins. The smaller cast of both heroes and villains also made the villains appear far more effective, unlike Prime where Decepticons get torn apart on a regular basis by a tiny handful of Autobots.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:00 AM

Animated. It had better writing, better characterization, better art design, and was far more fun to watch.

I burnt out on Prime because it just isn't as fun as TFA. The animation budget is better, but TFA accomplished so much more on a far smaller budget than Prime it's not even funny.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:27 AM

Animated by far.

Watching Prime feels a little like a weekly responsibility. I enjoy it, but it's a bit repetitive and when it's over I don't really "feel" anything and I delete it from the DVR to free up space.

But with Animated, I felt like a kid again every Saturday morning. I couldn't wait to see what was going to happen and who was going to pop up. I'd also watch every episode 2 or 3 times to catch all the jokes and references hidden throughout and was genuinely excited for the next week's show. There was just this sense of fun manic energy combined with smart writing in that series, I wish Prime could capture just half that feeling.

Edited by CoffeeJedi, 09 May 2012 - 09:28 AM.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:40 AM

Where's the poll?

Yep, Animated still reigns supreme for me for all the reasons already mentioned.

Prime is getting better, but I feel we're missing the camaraderie of the Animated team for starters. Some of that may be because they are sharing their time with the human partners more. Part of it may be because Optimus is so much more aloof? After so many relateable Prime's over the years in cartoon form, Cullen's Prime remains too... big... for lack of a better term.

It's too bad of course. Prime does have some great characters, they just don't gel very well for me. I like CoffeeJedi's description of a feeling of responsibility to watch Prime - I usually enjoy the episode enough once I've watched it, but I don't feel a real desire or impulse to do so like I did with Animated.

As for the toys, I've bought more than I planned to, but they don't have a real spot on my shelves as of yet and I really don't want to put away my Animated shelf to make room.

Edited by Dake, 09 May 2012 - 09:43 AM.

 
 
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:41 AM

QUOTE(Detour @ May 9 2012, 09:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
much less reliance on MacGuffins.


Where we watching the same show?


Seriously.. Animated was a great show... but this jive is getting out of hand. People are -constantly- ignoring things -stated- in prime, then claiming it's bad writing or plot holes. And then going on and on ignoring Animated faults and acting like it's fricken primus send!


Sorry Prime isn't a case of "Look how much fanwank we can throw in this week!" all damn day long.

Seriously... I love Animated.. but to pretend, after seeing it all, it was really more than "Transformers Fanwank: MAKE THEM NERDGASM!" your deluding yourself.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:44 AM

Animated looked like crap and the story was kind of dull.

Give me Prime anyday.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:47 AM

QUOTE(Hora Hora @ May 9 2012, 10:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Animated looked like crap and the story was kind of dull.

Give me Prime anyday.


What do you find more exciting in Prime exactly? Just wondering.....


Dake: I didn't think to make a poll, sorry. Would have been a good idea though

Edited by Kup, 09 May 2012 - 09:49 AM.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:48 AM

QUOTE(Tm_Silverclaw @ May 9 2012, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Seriously.. Animated was a great show... but this jive is getting out of hand. People are -constantly- ignoring things -stated- in prime, then claiming it's bad writing or plot holes. And then going on and on ignoring Animated faults and acting like it's fricken primus send!


Sorry Prime isn't a case of "Look how much fanwank we can throw in this week!" all damn day long.

Seriously... I love Animated.. but to pretend, after seeing it all, it was really more than "Transformers Fanwank: MAKE THEM NERDGASM!" your deluding yourself.



No, I'm not. It takes more than fanwank to make me go OMGBESTSHOWEVER otherwise I'd be a big Dreamwave fan.


Animated was fun. Like CoffeeJedi said, it brought me back to a kid being excited to watch a cartoon on weekend mornings! The characters were fun, they had fun interactions with each other, their personalities meshed well and resulted in things happening!
By comparison in Prime the characters are just... there. Aside from Miko jumping into danger at the drop of a pin, nobody's actions or personalities ever seem to drive a plot or see it resolved. The plots seem to go "We need the X/we need to investigate the X/we need to recover the X before our opposing factions get to it" and then the opposing factions encounter themselves.
The only exception could be Stronger, Faster and Ratchet's actions, but again that relied more on the episode's plot device (the artificial energon) than Ratchet himself.

Edited by Detour, 09 May 2012 - 09:50 AM.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:51 AM

^ Speaking of Ratchet, he is my favorite character in Prime. I attribute a lot of that to Jeffrey Combs and the way he delivers his lines.
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:53 AM

QUOTE(Kup @ May 10 2012, 12:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Hora Hora @ May 9 2012, 10:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Animated looked like crap and the story was kind of dull.

Give me Prime anyday.


What do you find more exciting in Prime exactly? Just wondering.....


Dake: I didn't think to make a poll, sorry. Would have been a good idea though


Guns, explosions, fight scenes that don't look stuttery and are badly-directed, character designs that aren't awful and samey, humans that don't look like Hey Arnold characters, Decepticons who are actually scary instead of comedic, less ham-fisted morals, less fanwank, more Knock Out....

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:53 AM

QUOTE(Kup @ May 9 2012, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^ Speaking of Ratchet, he is my favorite character in Prime. I attribute a lot of that to Jeffrey Combs and the way he delivers his lines.

Well that's the thing. It's like we're back in G1 and the characters aren't defined by actions or personalities, but by the voice actor's delivery.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:57 AM

QUOTE(Hora Hora @ May 9 2012, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
character designs that aren't awful and samey

What.

Seriously, what?! There isn't THAT much difference between the Prime and TFA art-styles. And I can say that every time I look at my TFA shelf, NONE OF THE DESIGNS LOOK THE SAME. Well, except for Skywarp/Starscream, the Jet twins, Irnhide/Ironfist and Cheetor/Blurr, but that's because those guys are very siumilar molds or retools/redecoes.

No go watch your moe anime, where everyone has the same exact face, and then we'll talk about "samey."

Edited by Space T Rex, 09 May 2012 - 10:00 AM.


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Posted 09 May 2012 - 10:08 AM

QUOTE(Tm_Silverclaw @ May 9 2012, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry Prime isn't a case of "Look how much fanwank we can throw in this week!" all damn day long.


Don't mind that. What I DO mind is the less interesting, creative and developed setting/universe and much less developed, dynamic and exciting overplot.


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Seriously... I love Animated.. but to pretend, after seeing it all, it was really more than "Transformers Fanwank: MAKE THEM NERDGASM!" your deluding yourself.


Yes, the show had NO admirable qualities other than copious fanwank. Riiiiiigghhhhhhht. Also, stating "anyone who thinks different than X is deluding themselves." is one of the WORST things people say on the Internet ever.


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Posted 09 May 2012 - 10:09 AM

Prime, easily. Prime has Jeffrey Combs. Nuff said.

Also, I vastly prefer the Prime designs to the ones in Animated.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 10:10 AM

Animated was more fun, and the characters seemed more like likeable, interesting people. They had hobbies, interests, and social lives.

The characters in Prime. . . feel more like coworkers. I know who they are and what function they perform, but I don't actually know anything about them (and what I do know is thin stereotype; the Big Guy likes metal music, the Action Girl is sarcastic, the Effeminate Guy is vain).

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 10:12 AM

Animated by a mile if we're talking show. Prime by a tiny bit if we're focusing on the toys.

Animated, as has been said, had this great manic energy to it. Bumblebee was an annoying twit who was dense as a black hole, but he, along with the rest of the cast and even the world itself was flat-out fun. Detroit was alive. It was quirky. While there was a heavy reliance on G1 homages as far as character appearances, especially for most of the guest stars, the show undeniably had a look that was all its own and many of the most memorable characters were completely new. Ratchet was the best cranky old man character we've ever seen and Optimus was a great fresh take on a Prime, injecting much of the feelings of inadequecy and little guy courage we really only saw from Primal before.

Watching Prime, on the other hand, feels like a chore. I do it most weeks out of an odd sense of obligation - partially because I want to be able to keep up with the conversation on irc and on the message boards and partially because Hasbro's made it clear that this is the franchise for the forseeable future and I don't want to be out of the loop when something I genuinely like shows up in this continuity. The characters feel like strange amalgamations of all the previous versions of their namesakes or archetypes watered down, reconstituted, polished to a shine, and set into motion. The world they live in looks and feels utterly barren, their actions empty of consequences. Obviously there are exceptions - Unicron, for example, seemed genuinely menacing (but even there we saw almost no effect on the humans that supposedly inhabit this planet).

This isn't to say there's nothing about Prime I like (Bulkhead, Miko, Arcee, and Knockout are the bomb; Megatron is suitably terrifying; the visuals can be gorgeous) or that I thought Animated was flawless (it relied too heavily on G1 homages; I didn't really like the legs in spandex look many people had; the animation could be sloppy at times), but as an overall package I thought the latter was far better.

Edited by shellspark, 09 May 2012 - 10:35 AM.



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