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@  RichardT1977 : (23 April 2017 - 11:31 PM)

After we get a couple of Pretenders. And a Titans Return Star Saber (not a difficult retool from Galvatron).

@  BlackMax : (23 April 2017 - 10:21 PM)

I really do like all the attention to the 80s toys, being from that era myself. However, I would be really happy if (let's say post Trypticon) the Generations line turns to the 2001 RiD line, Beast Wars stuff, and moves forwarda bit.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (23 April 2017 - 08:19 PM)

I'm curious because I'm not an 80s kid nor have I ever held an actual 80s toy in my hands, but I'm pretty sure a mathematically significant portion of 80s kids here do have a like for cartoon accuracy.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (23 April 2017 - 08:15 PM)

How much of this community favors versus not favors the current Hasbro design team's general trend of accuracy to classic 1980s toys and lack of attention to any other era of Transformers?

@  Fruitloop Mu... : (23 April 2017 - 07:36 PM)

Telly, ah, got it.

@  Evac : (23 April 2017 - 06:41 PM)

"You can do magic things!" "It's called evil, kid."

@  Foffy : (23 April 2017 - 06:27 PM)

Potatoes don't have ears. That's corn.

@  Telly : (23 April 2017 - 06:27 PM)

little furry potatos

@  Evac : (23 April 2017 - 06:24 PM)

This potato's got big ears...

@  Foffy : (23 April 2017 - 06:18 PM)

The potato rebellion will be swift and brutal.

@  Waspinator : (23 April 2017 - 03:48 PM)

IT'S WATCHING US

@  Telly : (23 April 2017 - 03:34 PM)

yeah, at the time im posting this, theres a "2" next to it and me and fruitloop are shown to be the 2 people reading it

@  Telly : (23 April 2017 - 03:33 PM)

i think it just means that someone is reading the shoutbox

@  Fruitloop Mu... : (23 April 2017 - 03:25 PM)

Re The Rise of Cobra: I like bad movies and action sequences involving elite ninjas, so I watched / fast-forwarded through it on Netflix a couple of years ago.

@  Fruitloop Mu... : (23 April 2017 - 03:23 PM)

Can anyone tell me why the Shoutbox has a notification (a "1") when I login sometimes? I scroll through and don't see anything addressed to me. What does it mean?

@  ▲ndrusi : (23 April 2017 - 01:33 PM)

I miss the 2000s when my local stores got new toys more than once a year.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 April 2017 - 01:09 PM)

I mean, it might be hard to not know about something before release at all, but the degree of familiarity that you described is only attainable if you intentionally seek things out.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 April 2017 - 12:59 PM)

That's at least partially your own fault. The "in motion" part sounds like you even watched videos, which require conscious effort, unlike pictures that might be hard to even avoid.

@  Bass X0 : (23 April 2017 - 12:22 PM)

I miss the 80s where the first time I ever saw Transformers toys was on the toy shelves and hadn't already saw the toy from every angle and in motion several months beforehand. It made seeing a toy in the store something very special to me that I can't recapture now.

@  Evac : (23 April 2017 - 12:14 PM)

I could see Generations becoming a TRU exclusive line, now that I think about it.

@  Xellos : (23 April 2017 - 12:14 PM)

Also, Generations weathered AOE, and the TLK line seems to be short as well, so I think we'll still be seeing some room for Generations.

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 April 2017 - 12:11 PM)

Titans aren't really wide-released anyway. About the only brick-and-mortar chain to reliably carry them is Toys R Us.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 April 2017 - 12:08 PM)

Isn't Trypticon still a long way from now?

@  Evac : (23 April 2017 - 11:57 AM)

They wouldn't let a big-ticket item like that get cancelled.

@  Evac : (23 April 2017 - 11:57 AM)

Counter argument: They still haven't released Trypticon.

@  unluckiness : (23 April 2017 - 09:25 AM)

But yeah, not having any big-name media means it's the most likely, although the premiere series packaging might convince retailers to dedicate more shelf space, kinda like SW Black.

@  unluckiness : (23 April 2017 - 09:24 AM)

I'd expect Generations to be the sacrificial lamb since they can't possibly stock RID any less.

@  RichardT1977 : (23 April 2017 - 09:06 AM)

I'm thinking the subline that doesn't have a movie or TV show will be the one on the cutting board.

@  RichardT1977 : (23 April 2017 - 09:05 AM)

Back to TF toys: the question is whether or not retailers will be willing to commit the peg/shelf space for three sublines. And which one will be sidelined if space is at a premium.

@  unluckiness : (23 April 2017 - 06:28 AM)

No idea.

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 April 2017 - 03:40 AM)

Sometimes the Shoutbox takes a little longer to catch up to a new avatar.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 April 2017 - 03:00 AM)

In the Shoutbox I'm seeing the pink thing instead of that guy with the weird eyes.

@  Telly : (23 April 2017 - 02:59 AM)

looks the same to me. maybe it looks different cause its smaller?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 April 2017 - 02:57 AM)

@unluckiness why/how is your avatar here different than the one in your profile

@  unluckiness : (23 April 2017 - 02:44 AM)

Revengeance

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 April 2017 - 01:33 AM)

Some people say revenge is sweet. Others say revenge is a dish best served cold. So basically, revenge is ice cream.

@  Verity Carlo : (22 April 2017 - 05:51 PM)

Retribution is fun.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (22 April 2017 - 05:39 PM)

'Sides, we all know the best G.I. Joe movie is Street Fighter, even if people haven't realized it yet.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (22 April 2017 - 05:39 PM)

I thought it was... okay. Okay as a movie, kinda fun, but not quite really feeling the G.I. Joe. I heard the sequel fixed that, but I've yet to see it.

@  Daith : (22 April 2017 - 05:26 PM)

Not sure about others but tried too hard to mainstream the idea to the public, making Baroness and the future Cobra Commander Duke's ex fiance and her brother was stupid and convoluted, and the power armor was a bit dumb

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 April 2017 - 05:14 PM)

What's the general opinion here about G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra?

@  BlackMax : (22 April 2017 - 02:55 PM)

In response to whether Arachnid Base or Orcanoch is the weirder.

@  BlackMax : (22 April 2017 - 02:55 PM)

My friend Take: "My vote goes to Spider Volcanobutt."

@  Rycochet : (22 April 2017 - 02:37 PM)

When I find myself in times of trouble, small marsupials come to me. Chattering and hissing, wallabies.

@  Evac : (22 April 2017 - 02:17 PM)

ROCKO'S MODERN LIIIIIIFE

@  Foffy : (22 April 2017 - 02:07 PM)

Did somebody mention wallabies?

@  Telly : (22 April 2017 - 01:38 PM)

"Walls of 'bee". walmart will be changing their name during movie time. they will now be called "walbee"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 April 2017 - 12:49 PM)

I'm pretty sure even Hasbro reps have admitted that they went overboard with Bee repaints.

@  Rycochet : (22 April 2017 - 12:34 PM)

Parents/retailers want them, it's cost effective to produce them, therefore they get made. Walls of 'bee may not be what we want to see, but here we are.

@  Bass X0 : (22 April 2017 - 12:29 PM)

That still doesn't justify all the barely repainted Bumblebee and Optimus Prime toys in slightly different shades of their standard color scheme.


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#1 Sockie

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:14 PM

http://www.newsarama...m.php?aid=46208

Starscream makes the perfect politician. icon-fire.gif

Nice to see further focus on Dirge, too.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:58 PM

"Always bet on the leader".

Skydive being one of Drift's old mates...

Man, is it nice to know that a writer has actually read the previous stuff.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 05:37 PM

Sunstorm's back. Wonder if we'll learn more about him. I really doubt he'd have much in common with DW Sunstorm if Starscream just let him languish around on that asteroid post-AHM.

Anyway, I can't wait until the TPBs for both this and MTMTE come out this summer.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 06:18 PM

"Devisive"?

Nice use of a spell check there.

Hell, it's even spelled correctly when Bombshell says it on the last page of the preview.

Still, can't wait to get this. Will probably buy it (internet connection willing) on my stop-over to Botcon on Wednesday. Make some in-flight reading icon-hotrod.gif
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 06:26 PM

Well hey there Generations Warpath.

Also I like how they highlighted the whole name reuse thing.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 06:32 PM

QUOTE(Devcon @ Apr 23 2012, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"Devisive"?

Nice use of a spell check there.


I think the title is a pun. You know. "Device." "Divisive." Because of the cerebro shells.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 06:35 PM

Intrigue! Actual, INTERESTING intrigue! Keen icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 06:58 PM

"Bubble Bee" icon-fire.gif If it wasn't for Dirge's correction I would have thought that was an actual typo.

Cool, Warpath has his Generation toy body, I shouldn't be surprised though.

Skydive the Predator, cool- oh he's dead.

Sunstorm, also cool to see, wonder what Bombshell has planed.

Lastly, I want the FoC Starscream toy more each time I see him in this, and if this keeps going I'm going to want the other 4 Seekers just as much. And I want a toy of Prowl.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 09:12 PM

Skydive! Noooooooo!

Wait, it's Sunstorm! Yaaaaaay!

QUOTE(Wildwade @ Apr 23 2012, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"Always bet on the leader".

Skydive being one of Drift's old mates...

Man, is it nice to know that a writer has actually read the previous stuff.


I was thinking the exact same thing, especially with Swindle quoting Skywarp's old line from Spotlight: Ramjet!

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 09:40 PM

Starscream is building his powerbase.

OP was right.

Once Megs comes back, this new government won't last a second.

Edited by Cyoti, 23 April 2012 - 09:40 PM.


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Posted 24 April 2012 - 12:53 AM

QUOTE(Cabooceratops @ Apr 23 2012, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well hey there Generations Warpath.

Also I like how they highlighted the whole name reuse thing.

Skydive used to be named Prowl. All the good names were taken.
Reclaim the suffix.

#12 Bass X0

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 05:37 AM

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Skydive the Predator, cool- oh he's dead.


He's the kind of character whose only purpose in fiction is to be a casualty. He just wouldn't have appeared otherwise.

Skyquake - dead.
Stalker - dead.
Snare - dead.
Skydive - dead.

You better watch out Falcon and and Talon! Run!

Edited by Bass X0, 24 April 2012 - 05:39 AM.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 09:46 AM

I am liking this comic less and less by each issue. Barber still can't get past his urge to kill at least 2-3 cons per issue... And Prowl is getting way out of character. No, I don't mean the preview. A friend of mine told me what the rest of the issue contains...

Let me just say without spoilers, that things get really ugly really fast.

Maybe this comic is realistic, and shows us the ugly side of politics, that still doesn't mean I like it, though. Especially since MTMTE is so much more fun.

Also, I wish we would have dropped the silly idea Costa made up that Bombshell's cerebro-shells are tiny little evil weevils colored just like him. The point of the shell is to NOT to arouse suspicion that the Bot is mind-controlled. If you can see it on his helmet, it kinda ruins the plan.

QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Apr 24 2012, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Skydive the Predator, cool- oh he's dead.


He's the kind of character whose only purpose in fiction is to be a casualty. He just wouldn't have appeared otherwise.

Skyquake - dead.
Stalker - dead.
Snare - dead.
Skydive - dead.

You better watch out Falcon and and Talon! Run!


And yet, remember how memorable Nick and James made Snare? Here, he is just dropped into the body bag.
Skydive could have appeared alongside the many other predators in MTMTE (after all, they sort of have conquered a whole sector, if you read Snare's bio...) so yeah, once again... they could and should have rather used a generic like MTMTE did.

But trust me, after you have read the issue, his death will be the one that'll bother you the least, compared to the others.


Edited by BB Shockwave, 24 April 2012 - 05:22 PM.


#14 Bass X0

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 10:03 AM

I think the only reason Skydive is used was to make a joke about him having the same name as an Aerialbot.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 01:09 PM

QUOTE(BB Shockwave @ Apr 24 2012, 08:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am liking this comic less and less by each issue. Barber still can't get past his urge to kill at least 2-3 cons per issue... And Prowl is getting way out of character. No, I don't mean the preview. A friend of mine told me what the rest of the issue contains...

Let me just say without spoilers, that things get really ugly really fast.

Maybe this comic is realistic, and shows us the ugly side of politics, that still doesn't mean I like it, though. Especially since MTMTE is so much more fun.

Also, I wish we would have dropped the silly idea Costa made up that Bombshell's cerebro-shells are tiny little evil weevils colored just like him. The point of the shell is to NOT to arouse suspicion that the Bot is mind-controlled. If you can see it on his helmet, it kinda ruins the plan.


Hey now, Barber did confirm Dirge and Deluge as being alive. He could have easily said the Autobots axed them, but he didn't. So it's not like he's killing Cons, and nothing else.

Plus, there's a large downside to killing generics instead of actual characters: do you really care if it was a nameless Con who bit the dust...?

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 02:21 AM

QUOTE(Sockie @ Apr 24 2012, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(BB Shockwave @ Apr 24 2012, 08:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am liking this comic less and less by each issue. Barber still can't get past his urge to kill at least 2-3 cons per issue... And Prowl is getting way out of character. No, I don't mean the preview. A friend of mine told me what the rest of the issue contains...

Let me just say without spoilers, that things get really ugly really fast.

Maybe this comic is realistic, and shows us the ugly side of politics, that still doesn't mean I like it, though. Especially since MTMTE is so much more fun.

Also, I wish we would have dropped the silly idea Costa made up that Bombshell's cerebro-shells are tiny little evil weevils colored just like him. The point of the shell is to NOT to arouse suspicion that the Bot is mind-controlled. If you can see it on his helmet, it kinda ruins the plan.


Hey now, Barber did confirm Dirge and Deluge as being alive. He could have easily said the Autobots axed them, but he didn't. So it's not like he's killing Cons, and nothing else.

Plus, there's a large downside to killing generics instead of actual characters: do you really care if it was a nameless Con who bit the dust...?


I cared about Barrelroll and most of the 'generic' origional characters in MTMTE. As long as they get a chance to express some personality, to become a character, not just a generic to be sacrificed, then having a toy at some point in the last three decades is neither here nor there.

However, given the number of pre existing near blank slate toys with an interesting but unexploited bio rich with storytelling potential out there, it's a huge waste to just keep wheeling them out for a hi then die cameo that will prevent someone using them to their full potential down the line, even if they still kill them off at the end of it.

And by 'someone' I mean Roche and Roberts obviously.

Also while Dirge survived, Deluge still dies offscreen, it's just changed to being eaten by the Swarm rather than beaten to death by vengeful autobots.
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#17 Bass X0

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 04:28 AM

Not all the toy characters will appear in fiction. Neither is there time or space to give all of them meaningful characterisation.

So its preferable to sort them out into "use" and "kill off" piles. I care more about Skydive than I do a random generic. Being Skydive gives him instant backstory (being a Predator) without it being shown that a generic couldn't do. Skydive got to appear in two panels of a comic. Being dead is irrelevant. Its more than many toys get. Vroom is still alive but he only appeared in one panel and isn't likely to be used again, especially in any meaningful role.

Anyway, if I was writing the story then decided later I shouldn't have killed off Skydive, I'd use his Japanese counter-part Dark Jet instead. Identical appearance, different name, different character.

I'd also probably tease the readers by killing off Jazz at the end of one issue then have Jazz appear alive in the next issue saying how actually his twin brother Meister just died.

Edited by Bass X0, 25 April 2012 - 04:33 AM.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:44 AM

The only reason we have Skydives Predator backstory is because Snare, Stalker and Skyquake appeared in LSOTW, and fleshed out the subgroups back story. Of them, only Skyquake got immediately killed off, while Snare and Stalker got several issues before dying while generics took up the brunt of the death count. And even then, Skyquake at least died to get across just how dangerous and insanely ruthless Overlord was.

If the script needs a death that's of no importance for anything other than to have a death, then I think it's better to use generics. If you're going to kill of not only an existing character, no matter how minor, and thus all their potential o be more, it should really be a death that has impact and at least some importance to the plot, even if it is just to make another character more important to the narrative.

Plus, while there are loads of unused toy characters, there's not an infinite amount of them, and they are all different, even if not by much for some, and killing any of them will mean a smaller pool of unique characters to draw from for future writers.

Also, I find the suggestion of killing off Meister to trick the reader into thinking Jazz is dead is awful, and a cheap attempt to add false drama.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 07:32 AM

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If the script needs a death that's of no importance for anything other than to have a death, then I think it's better to use generics. If you're going to kill of not only an existing character, no matter how minor, and thus all their potential o be more, it should really be a death that has impact and at least some importance to the plot, even if it is just to make another character more important to the narrative.


Nobody cares for generics. The death of a generic is meaningless. It just gives the main characters "plot armor" and reduces tension because we know they wouldn't kill off someone with a toy. They're also not allowed by the fans to kill off Gobots in place of generics.

If I were writing a story and wanted a death like Skydive's here, I would go through the Z-listers first. Say the Brazillian Mini-Bots, Diaclone color schemes that didn't get released as Transformers and others. Familar faces that the reader would know but not important characters that have stories. Unless you're going to tell me that Saltman-Z has potential as a character and shouldn't be killed off either.

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Plus, while there are loads of unused toy characters, there's not an infinite amount of them, and they are all different, even if not by much for some, and killing any of them will mean a smaller pool of unique characters to draw from for future writers.


I don't see it as a smaller pool. IDW's run of Transformers comics isn't going to last forever and when it does finally end, there will still be hundreds of characters with toys who haven't appeared in even one panel during the entire run of their comics.

Take Snare. He's memorable for his character in LSotW. But it didn't have to be Snare. Roche and Roberts wrote a memorable character and assigned it to a blank slate. If it had been any of the four small Predator jets, nobody would have been able to tell the difference.

Unused toy characters are infinite as long as Hasbro keeps making Transformers toys. So I like it when they actually use some of those characters / toys in the comics.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 08:30 AM

QUOTE(Total Biscuit @ Apr 25 2012, 01:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also while Dirge survived, Deluge still dies offscreen, it's just changed to being eaten by the Swarm rather than beaten to death by vengeful autobots.



Huh, was that said? I didn't even realize that. My mistake.