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@  unluckiness : (24 April 2017 - 09:27 PM)

giggity

@  BlackMax : (24 April 2017 - 08:44 PM)

TR Astrotrain can be remarkably straight.

@  Dracula : (24 April 2017 - 04:10 PM)

bot can not be straight

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 April 2017 - 01:49 PM)

Hey man, don't dongshame.

@  Benbot : (24 April 2017 - 12:32 PM)

#crotchproblems

@  Robowang : (24 April 2017 - 11:53 AM)

Menasor's problem is that his crotch is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too high. I couldn't care less about those other issues. If your dong is a chestburster, something ain't right.

@  BlackMax : (24 April 2017 - 11:40 AM)

Seems like all the combiners have an issue like that, the legs can never be completely straight in combined mode, the finished big bot is always looming eerily or hip-thrusting.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 April 2017 - 11:39 AM)

I doubt having an integrated trailer would have swayed me into buying CW Motormaster. But what definitely put me off were Internet reports of awful hip ratcheting.

@  BlackMax : (24 April 2017 - 11:36 AM)

I might also mention that ~not~ being a big truck has worked for the Internet pretty well.

@  unluckiness : (24 April 2017 - 11:32 AM)

I moaned about Motormaster because his combiner mode was awful

@  Rycochet : (24 April 2017 - 11:31 AM)

People moaned about the choices made during Combiner wars.that meant characters like Motormaster/Menasor weren't G1G1G1.

@  BlackMax : (24 April 2017 - 11:23 AM)

He could always be a very small red truck.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 April 2017 - 10:59 AM)

But how will you know it's Optimus Prime if he's not a big red truck?

@  Broadside : (24 April 2017 - 10:20 AM)

Personally, I'm not a fan of the extreme-accuracy trend. The character choices are kind of sure-fine-whatever, but outside of stuff like Alpha Trion that's a huge divergence from the source material, there doesn't feel like there's much imagination in the designs any more.

@  Pennpenn : (24 April 2017 - 05:03 AM)

Because you might as well start as you mean to go on?

@  Nevermore : (24 April 2017 - 04:16 AM)

It does. Preview image is Legion's penis tongue.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 April 2017 - 04:15 AM)

Hold it. Please tell me Kiss Players doesn't have a GoBox.

@  Autobot Bubbs : (24 April 2017 - 03:10 AM)

That is epically messed up

@  Autobot Bubbs : (24 April 2017 - 03:10 AM)

GURD.... youtube just auto-played a new trailer for the Alien flick.... featuring John Denver's 'country roads' as BG music....

@  Noideaforaname : (24 April 2017 - 12:37 AM)

The Generations lineup should be decided by hitting Random Page on the wiki. "Next one is... Crankstart." 'Alright, I love the Scavengers!' "No, no, CrankSTART. The repaint of a repaint of a repaint of a Scout version of a Deluxe based on a background vehicle from the Live Action film." 'Oh'

@  RichardT1977 : (23 April 2017 - 11:31 PM)

After we get a couple of Pretenders. And a Titans Return Star Saber (not a difficult retool from Galvatron).

@  BlackMax : (23 April 2017 - 10:21 PM)

I really do like all the attention to the 80s toys, being from that era myself. However, I would be really happy if (let's say post Trypticon) the Generations line turns to the 2001 RiD line, Beast Wars stuff, and moves forwarda bit.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (23 April 2017 - 08:19 PM)

I'm curious because I'm not an 80s kid nor have I ever held an actual 80s toy in my hands, but I'm pretty sure a mathematically significant portion of 80s kids here do have a like for cartoon accuracy.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (23 April 2017 - 08:15 PM)

How much of this community favors versus not favors the current Hasbro design team's general trend of accuracy to classic 1980s toys and lack of attention to any other era of Transformers?

@  Fruitloop Mu... : (23 April 2017 - 07:36 PM)

Telly, ah, got it.

@  Evac : (23 April 2017 - 06:41 PM)

"You can do magic things!" "It's called evil, kid."

@  Foffy : (23 April 2017 - 06:27 PM)

Potatoes don't have ears. That's corn.

@  Telly : (23 April 2017 - 06:27 PM)

little furry potatos

@  Evac : (23 April 2017 - 06:24 PM)

This potato's got big ears...

@  Foffy : (23 April 2017 - 06:18 PM)

The potato rebellion will be swift and brutal.

@  Waspinator : (23 April 2017 - 03:48 PM)

IT'S WATCHING US

@  Telly : (23 April 2017 - 03:34 PM)

yeah, at the time im posting this, theres a "2" next to it and me and fruitloop are shown to be the 2 people reading it

@  Telly : (23 April 2017 - 03:33 PM)

i think it just means that someone is reading the shoutbox

@  Fruitloop Mu... : (23 April 2017 - 03:25 PM)

Re The Rise of Cobra: I like bad movies and action sequences involving elite ninjas, so I watched / fast-forwarded through it on Netflix a couple of years ago.

@  Fruitloop Mu... : (23 April 2017 - 03:23 PM)

Can anyone tell me why the Shoutbox has a notification (a "1") when I login sometimes? I scroll through and don't see anything addressed to me. What does it mean?

@  ▲ndrusi : (23 April 2017 - 01:33 PM)

I miss the 2000s when my local stores got new toys more than once a year.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 April 2017 - 01:09 PM)

I mean, it might be hard to not know about something before release at all, but the degree of familiarity that you described is only attainable if you intentionally seek things out.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 April 2017 - 12:59 PM)

That's at least partially your own fault. The "in motion" part sounds like you even watched videos, which require conscious effort, unlike pictures that might be hard to even avoid.

@  Bass X0 : (23 April 2017 - 12:22 PM)

I miss the 80s where the first time I ever saw Transformers toys was on the toy shelves and hadn't already saw the toy from every angle and in motion several months beforehand. It made seeing a toy in the store something very special to me that I can't recapture now.

@  Evac : (23 April 2017 - 12:14 PM)

I could see Generations becoming a TRU exclusive line, now that I think about it.

@  Xellos : (23 April 2017 - 12:14 PM)

Also, Generations weathered AOE, and the TLK line seems to be short as well, so I think we'll still be seeing some room for Generations.

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 April 2017 - 12:11 PM)

Titans aren't really wide-released anyway. About the only brick-and-mortar chain to reliably carry them is Toys R Us.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 April 2017 - 12:08 PM)

Isn't Trypticon still a long way from now?

@  Evac : (23 April 2017 - 11:57 AM)

They wouldn't let a big-ticket item like that get cancelled.

@  Evac : (23 April 2017 - 11:57 AM)

Counter argument: They still haven't released Trypticon.

@  unluckiness : (23 April 2017 - 09:25 AM)

But yeah, not having any big-name media means it's the most likely, although the premiere series packaging might convince retailers to dedicate more shelf space, kinda like SW Black.

@  unluckiness : (23 April 2017 - 09:24 AM)

I'd expect Generations to be the sacrificial lamb since they can't possibly stock RID any less.

@  RichardT1977 : (23 April 2017 - 09:06 AM)

I'm thinking the subline that doesn't have a movie or TV show will be the one on the cutting board.

@  RichardT1977 : (23 April 2017 - 09:05 AM)

Back to TF toys: the question is whether or not retailers will be willing to commit the peg/shelf space for three sublines. And which one will be sidelined if space is at a premium.

@  unluckiness : (23 April 2017 - 06:28 AM)

No idea.


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#1 SteamPunk Astrotrain

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 11:40 AM

I'm working on a fan-made tech project involving a creature that was cyborged, or perhaps, more acurately roboticed, into a multi-component, transforming robot. While the figure I'm working with is from Power Rangers, in trying to figure it out has raised a couple of interesting questions, that do have a bearing on the Transformers universe. And I'm smart enough to know that exploring it from a Transformers angle, might give me insight that works perfectly well, for Power Rangers too.

The main question I need to ask you folks has to do with the concept of a Miotic Spark and an ability to assume multiple vehicle modes, like Omega Supreme and the Duocons. Magmatron is in a different catagory, in this instance, because he splits into a trio of organic beasts. Still he is worth mentioning. My question is this: How would a Cybertronian, with the gene for splitting himself into multiple, separate components in alt-mode; be able to scan in and replicate them?

Put simply, when he was created, did G1 Omega Supreme scan in a tank, the track, and the entire rocket base, simultaneously? Is his t-cog as miotic as his spark? Were the Duocons bodies literally sawed in half and each given a T-Cog? Or is it the other way around? While there have been modern examples of objects being endowed with Allspark energy, and becoming transformers, none of them are definitive enough to say with any certainty that a modern Cybertronian can be created, from a combination of pre-gathered alt-modes infused with Allspark Energy. Of course, the fact that Omega Supreme has a single, spacecraft alt-mode in War For Cybertron, only complicates matters.

I would love to hear how you folks think an alt-mode reverse-combiner could be created. Just please, keep the jokes to a minimum, because I'm attempting to ask a question in all seriousness, here.

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#2 Boltax

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 11:47 AM

As far as I'm aware the only specific origin for Omega Supreme that shows WHERE he got his alt mode (in the cartoon it seems to be more-or-less assumed that his alt mode has always been the same), is in the US comics. In that version he was built by Grapple. So he was just BUILT with that alt mode.

Most of the fiction seems to suggest that charcters like the Duocons were just BUILT that way. (For example Dreamwave MTMTE.)

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(And that's the TINY amount of fiction that actually addresses it at all.)

Edited by Boltax, 24 March 2012 - 11:52 AM.


#3 WorkbenchManiac

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 11:56 AM

QUOTE(SteamPunk Astrotrain @ Mar 24 2012, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Miotic Spark

Miosis it the contraction of the pupil.


I suppose you meant either meiosis or mitosis.

Mitosis is the division of one cell into two.

Meiosis is a variant of mitosis in eukaryotes, in which through two subsequent cell divisions the haploidic gametes are produced.

Even if only taken metaphorically, I don't know what you are asking. AFAIK sparks do not reproduce by division, nor do sparks have "genes" (a gene is a distinct unit of inheritance), because, again, AFAIK sparks do not reproduce.

Could you please clarify what you meant?

EDIT: Just to be clear, I don't want to harsh on your terminology, I'm just not clear on what is asked. "How did X scan two modes" is simple enough, but I don't get the connection to sparks or mitosis.

Edited by WorkbenchManiac, 24 March 2012 - 12:05 PM.


#4 Chris McFeely

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 12:09 PM

QUOTE(WorkbenchManiac @ Mar 24 2012, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Even if only taken metaphorically, I don't know what you are asking. AFAIK sparks do not reproduce by division, nor do sparks have "genes" (a gene is a distinct unit of inheritance), because, again, AFAIK sparks do not reproduce.

Could you please clarify what you meant?

EDIT: Just to be clear, I don't want to harsh on your terminology, I'm just not clear on what is asked. "How did X scan two modes" is simple enough, but I don't get the connection to sparks or mitosis.


"Mitotic Spark" was the term used in Magmatron's BM bio to describe his ability to split himself into three parts. He's asking about Transformers who split from one robot form into multi-component alternate modes.

Edited by Chris McFeely, 24 March 2012 - 12:10 PM.


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Posted 24 March 2012 - 12:19 PM

QUOTE(Boltax @ Mar 24 2012, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Most of the fiction seems to suggest that charcters like the Duocons were just BUILT that way.

Well, rebuilt. By Shockwave. In a process that eventually led to creating triple-changers.

Perhaps Shockwave's earlier experiments involved trying to implant two T-cogs into a single transformer (each programmed for a different transformation). Unfortunately, the resonance between the two T-cogs caused the victims subjects to get ripped apart divide into two separate components, each with its own T-cog (and perhaps with the spark in one and the neural-CPU in the other). Several specimens died screaming from the agony expired from trauma before the process could be refined.

Latter experiments managed to synchronize the T-cogs, allowing a single individual to reliably access two alt-modes. Though earlier builds did experience some (minor) neurological trauma from the process. icon-blitz.gif

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#6 Destron D-69

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 12:31 PM

A God did it. Its kinda a Magic thing they do. Every transformer is a tiny speck of their God's soul.

and if I've learned anything form PNR... saying 'God said so' is a fairly applicable answer

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on a technology side: it works a few ways.

Omega Supreme is One robot who's 'lasercore' and 'personality chips' control all parts of him simultaneously

Optimus Prime, roller and the trailer function on a similar wireless network... but do not seem to have a linked personality like Omega Supreme.

sometimes for G1 and series linked to G1-isms its best to remember that Sparks were invented in Beastwars

Transformers have innate access to a sub-space dimension... perhaps this has some link to the spirit-bodies relationship ?

Overlord O-o that's got a bit of continuity him and hah depending where you're looking these days.

I can't remember how they addressed the Pretender shell thing back in G1 >_>

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#7 WorkbenchManiac

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 12:35 PM

QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Mar 24 2012, 12:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"Mitotic Spark" was the term used in Magmatron's BM bio to describe his ability to split himself into three parts. He's asking about Transformers who split from one robot form into multi-component alternate modes.

Thanks for the clarification.

I shall go on a wiki-binge later...

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 12:56 PM

QUOTE(Cybersnark @ Mar 24 2012, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Boltax @ Mar 24 2012, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Most of the fiction seems to suggest that charcters like the Duocons were just BUILT that way.

Well, rebuilt. By Shockwave. In a process that eventually led to creating triple-changers.

Perhaps Shockwave's earlier experiments involved trying to implant two T-cogs into a single transformer (each programmed for a different transformation). Unfortunately, the resonance between the two T-cogs caused the victims subjects to get ripped apart divide into two separate components, each with its own T-cog (and perhaps with the spark in one and the neural-CPU in the other). Several specimens died screaming from the agony expired from trauma before the process could be refined.

Latter experiments managed to synchronize the T-cogs, allowing a single individual to reliably access two alt-modes. Though earlier builds did experience some (minor) neurological trauma from the process. icon-blitz.gif

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shockwave probaly smiles a little inside every time he gets away defying Primus laws.
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 01:18 PM

Few things are as unsettling as the idea of Shockwave smiling.

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 01:26 PM

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Few things are as unsettling as the idea of Shockwave smiling.


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Posted 24 March 2012 - 01:35 PM

QUOTE(Creature SH @ Mar 24 2012, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Few things are as unsettling as the idea of Shockwave smiling.


or him letting out a giggle while he holds your spark chamber in his hand , and thinking what's he going to do with it, and the rest of the parts he has at his lab.
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(Cybersnark @ Mar 24 2012, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Boltax @ Mar 24 2012, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Most of the fiction seems to suggest that charcters like the Duocons were just BUILT that way.

Well, rebuilt. By Shockwave. In a process that eventually led to creating triple-changers.

Perhaps Shockwave's earlier experiments involved trying to implant two T-cogs into a single transformer (each programmed for a different transformation). Unfortunately, the resonance between the two T-cogs caused the victims subjects to get ripped apart divide into two separate components, each with its own T-cog (and perhaps with the spark in one and the neural-CPU in the other). Several specimens died screaming from the agony expired from trauma before the process could be refined.

Latter experiments managed to synchronize the T-cogs, allowing a single individual to reliably access two alt-modes. Though earlier builds did experience some (minor) neurological trauma from the process. icon-blitz.gif

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shockwave probaly smiles a little inside every time he gets away defying Primus laws.

He could also be smiling on the outside, but only Whirl knows for sure.
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 08:45 PM

Sorry about the confusion, WorkbenchManiac, I'm half-sick at the moment, so my writing skills aren't the best.
Like I said, I'm working on a bio for a character that was turned into a giant robot, who was then split into several vehicles. I was hoping that examining the few Transformers characters, with a similar ability, would give me some inspiration.
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 09:47 PM

QUOTE(SteamPunk Astrotrain @ Mar 24 2012, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry about the confusion, WorkbenchManiac, I'm half-sick at the moment, so my writing skills aren't the best.
Like I said, I'm working on a bio for a character that was turned into a giant robot, who was then split into several vehicles. I was hoping that examining the few Transformers characters, with a similar ability, would give me some inspiration.


Don't neglect other sources. You might even cast your net to days of long ago, to uncharted regions of the universe, and see what sort of legends grew there. Peace may have settled across the galaxy since then, maintained by a galactic alliance of the good planets of each solar system*, but there is always the chance that a new horrible menace may threaten, and the legendary character may be needed once more. I suggest talking to any super force of space explorers you may meet; they have been specially trained to bring back such robots.

Who knows? There may be robots out there split up into a whole rugby team of components, too...

*As opposed to the planets that suck. I always thought. Like the ones made of methane ice at a few kelvins. Not much of a summer crowd at a place like that. Unless you're cool with that sort of thing.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 09:15 AM

QUOTE(Autobus Prime @ Mar 24 2012, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Creature SH @ Mar 24 2012, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Few things are as unsettling as the idea of Shockwave smiling.


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Okay, it isn't unsettling anymore. Now it's hilarious.

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Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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You're talking to ▲ndrusi. Assume everything that he posts is snark.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 09:42 AM

QUOTE(Autobus Prime @ Mar 24 2012, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(SteamPunk Astrotrain @ Mar 24 2012, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry about the confusion, WorkbenchManiac, I'm half-sick at the moment, so my writing skills aren't the best.
Like I said, I'm working on a bio for a character that was turned into a giant robot, who was then split into several vehicles. I was hoping that examining the few Transformers characters, with a similar ability, would give me some inspiration.


Don't neglect other sources. You might even cast your net to days of long ago, to uncharted regions of the universe, and see what sort of legends grew there. Peace may have settled across the galaxy since then, maintained by a galactic alliance of the good planets of each solar system*, but there is always the chance that a new horrible menace may threaten, and the legendary character may be needed once more. I suggest talking to any super force of space explorers you may meet; they have been specially trained to bring back such robots.

Who knows? There may be robots out there split up into a whole rugby team of components, too...

*As opposed to the planets that suck. I always thought. Like the ones made of methane ice at a few kelvins. Not much of a summer crowd at a place like that. Unless you're cool with that sort of thing.


Unfortunately, I don't know of any other robots that would fit. Japan's famous for combiners but the reverse happens very seldom. And Voltron doesn't count, because he was separated into the five lions by magic, and doesn't have any sentience in his own right. Sentai's Daizyujin (MMPR Power Megazord) is closer, because it is sentient in it's robot form, but I don't think any explanation was ever given for why it was separated into the individual dinozords


And yes, Shockwave smiling is hilarious.
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 01:15 PM

Are you dwelling more on the science, the pseudo-science, or the metaphysics of it?

The original topic, not Shockwave smiling. XD

If it is a human who slowly replaced himself with (to us) advanced technology, and later was split into transforming mecha, you could have the mind totally be dormant while they are separated, or perhaps parts of the mind inhabit each piece.

If it is the metaphysics of it... where does the soul reside in a normal human? Follow those guidelines, but assume that the soul was successfully transferred to the equivalent component's of the robotic form. Separating a component that doesn't contain these "bits" does nothing to the soul... or alternatively stretches or splits it. I mean, again, we are talking metaphysics here.

For other references, consider stories where a character can split pieces of his/her/its body off. Not just combiner style characters, but even guys like Buggy The Clown from One Piece. If you want some interesting ideas, try picking up GURPS. It is a role-playing system, and I know the GURPS: Powers supplement covers characters who can separate pieces of their body from the whole, and those pieces are capable of actions on their own (or at the behest of the character).
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:13 AM

QUOTE(WorkbenchManiac @ Mar 24 2012, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Even if only taken metaphorically, I don't know what you are asking. AFAIK sparks do not reproduce by division, nor do sparks have "genes" (a gene is a distinct unit of inheritance), because, again, AFAIK sparks do not reproduce.

In the G2 comics, Transformers in the ancient past reproduced by division, but this was before sparks entered the picture. (And going too far caused Bad Things, like Jhiaxus's Cybertronians and the Swarm.)