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@  Robowang : (24 April 2017 - 11:53 AM)

Menasor's problem is that his crotch is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too high. I couldn't care less about those other issues. If your dong is a chestburster, something ain't right.

@  BlackMax : (24 April 2017 - 11:40 AM)

Seems like all the combiners have an issue like that, the legs can never be completely straight in combined mode, the finished big bot is always looming eerily or hip-thrusting.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 April 2017 - 11:39 AM)

I doubt having an integrated trailer would have swayed me into buying CW Motormaster. But what definitely put me off were Internet reports of awful hip ratcheting.

@  BlackMax : (24 April 2017 - 11:36 AM)

I might also mention that ~not~ being a big truck has worked for the Internet pretty well.

@  unluckiness : (24 April 2017 - 11:32 AM)

I moaned about Motormaster because his combiner mode was awful

@  Rycochet : (24 April 2017 - 11:31 AM)

People moaned about the choices made during Combiner wars.that meant characters like Motormaster/Menasor weren't G1G1G1.

@  BlackMax : (24 April 2017 - 11:23 AM)

He could always be a very small red truck.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 April 2017 - 10:59 AM)

But how will you know it's Optimus Prime if he's not a big red truck?

@  Broadside : (24 April 2017 - 10:20 AM)

Personally, I'm not a fan of the extreme-accuracy trend. The character choices are kind of sure-fine-whatever, but outside of stuff like Alpha Trion that's a huge divergence from the source material, there doesn't feel like there's much imagination in the designs any more.

@  Pennpenn : (24 April 2017 - 05:03 AM)

Because you might as well start as you mean to go on?

@  Nevermore : (24 April 2017 - 04:16 AM)

It does. Preview image is Legion's penis tongue.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 April 2017 - 04:15 AM)

Hold it. Please tell me Kiss Players doesn't have a GoBox.

@  Autobot Bubbs : (24 April 2017 - 03:10 AM)

That is epically messed up

@  Autobot Bubbs : (24 April 2017 - 03:10 AM)

GURD.... youtube just auto-played a new trailer for the Alien flick.... featuring John Denver's 'country roads' as BG music....

@  Noideaforaname : (24 April 2017 - 12:37 AM)

The Generations lineup should be decided by hitting Random Page on the wiki. "Next one is... Crankstart." 'Alright, I love the Scavengers!' "No, no, CrankSTART. The repaint of a repaint of a repaint of a Scout version of a Deluxe based on a background vehicle from the Live Action film." 'Oh'

@  RichardT1977 : (23 April 2017 - 11:31 PM)

After we get a couple of Pretenders. And a Titans Return Star Saber (not a difficult retool from Galvatron).

@  BlackMax : (23 April 2017 - 10:21 PM)

I really do like all the attention to the 80s toys, being from that era myself. However, I would be really happy if (let's say post Trypticon) the Generations line turns to the 2001 RiD line, Beast Wars stuff, and moves forwarda bit.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (23 April 2017 - 08:19 PM)

I'm curious because I'm not an 80s kid nor have I ever held an actual 80s toy in my hands, but I'm pretty sure a mathematically significant portion of 80s kids here do have a like for cartoon accuracy.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (23 April 2017 - 08:15 PM)

How much of this community favors versus not favors the current Hasbro design team's general trend of accuracy to classic 1980s toys and lack of attention to any other era of Transformers?

@  Fruitloop Mu... : (23 April 2017 - 07:36 PM)

Telly, ah, got it.

@  Evac : (23 April 2017 - 06:41 PM)

"You can do magic things!" "It's called evil, kid."

@  Foffy : (23 April 2017 - 06:27 PM)

Potatoes don't have ears. That's corn.

@  Telly : (23 April 2017 - 06:27 PM)

little furry potatos

@  Evac : (23 April 2017 - 06:24 PM)

This potato's got big ears...

@  Foffy : (23 April 2017 - 06:18 PM)

The potato rebellion will be swift and brutal.

@  Waspinator : (23 April 2017 - 03:48 PM)

IT'S WATCHING US

@  Telly : (23 April 2017 - 03:34 PM)

yeah, at the time im posting this, theres a "2" next to it and me and fruitloop are shown to be the 2 people reading it

@  Telly : (23 April 2017 - 03:33 PM)

i think it just means that someone is reading the shoutbox

@  Fruitloop Mu... : (23 April 2017 - 03:25 PM)

Re The Rise of Cobra: I like bad movies and action sequences involving elite ninjas, so I watched / fast-forwarded through it on Netflix a couple of years ago.

@  Fruitloop Mu... : (23 April 2017 - 03:23 PM)

Can anyone tell me why the Shoutbox has a notification (a "1") when I login sometimes? I scroll through and don't see anything addressed to me. What does it mean?

@  ▲ndrusi : (23 April 2017 - 01:33 PM)

I miss the 2000s when my local stores got new toys more than once a year.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 April 2017 - 01:09 PM)

I mean, it might be hard to not know about something before release at all, but the degree of familiarity that you described is only attainable if you intentionally seek things out.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 April 2017 - 12:59 PM)

That's at least partially your own fault. The "in motion" part sounds like you even watched videos, which require conscious effort, unlike pictures that might be hard to even avoid.

@  Bass X0 : (23 April 2017 - 12:22 PM)

I miss the 80s where the first time I ever saw Transformers toys was on the toy shelves and hadn't already saw the toy from every angle and in motion several months beforehand. It made seeing a toy in the store something very special to me that I can't recapture now.

@  Evac : (23 April 2017 - 12:14 PM)

I could see Generations becoming a TRU exclusive line, now that I think about it.

@  Xellos : (23 April 2017 - 12:14 PM)

Also, Generations weathered AOE, and the TLK line seems to be short as well, so I think we'll still be seeing some room for Generations.

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 April 2017 - 12:11 PM)

Titans aren't really wide-released anyway. About the only brick-and-mortar chain to reliably carry them is Toys R Us.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 April 2017 - 12:08 PM)

Isn't Trypticon still a long way from now?

@  Evac : (23 April 2017 - 11:57 AM)

They wouldn't let a big-ticket item like that get cancelled.

@  Evac : (23 April 2017 - 11:57 AM)

Counter argument: They still haven't released Trypticon.

@  unluckiness : (23 April 2017 - 09:25 AM)

But yeah, not having any big-name media means it's the most likely, although the premiere series packaging might convince retailers to dedicate more shelf space, kinda like SW Black.

@  unluckiness : (23 April 2017 - 09:24 AM)

I'd expect Generations to be the sacrificial lamb since they can't possibly stock RID any less.

@  RichardT1977 : (23 April 2017 - 09:06 AM)

I'm thinking the subline that doesn't have a movie or TV show will be the one on the cutting board.

@  RichardT1977 : (23 April 2017 - 09:05 AM)

Back to TF toys: the question is whether or not retailers will be willing to commit the peg/shelf space for three sublines. And which one will be sidelined if space is at a premium.

@  unluckiness : (23 April 2017 - 06:28 AM)

No idea.

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 April 2017 - 03:40 AM)

Sometimes the Shoutbox takes a little longer to catch up to a new avatar.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 April 2017 - 03:00 AM)

In the Shoutbox I'm seeing the pink thing instead of that guy with the weird eyes.

@  Telly : (23 April 2017 - 02:59 AM)

looks the same to me. maybe it looks different cause its smaller?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 April 2017 - 02:57 AM)

@unluckiness why/how is your avatar here different than the one in your profile

@  unluckiness : (23 April 2017 - 02:44 AM)

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Ever wonder why Transformers can move so fast?


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#1 Evac

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 08:57 PM

I'm gonna copy and paste what I added to the Fridge Brilliance/Transformers page on TVTropes:

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In most, if not all Transformers series - particularly the Japanese series, the live-action movies and Transformers Prime - the Transformers move with impossible grace and agility despite being Humongous Mecha. However, this can be seen as Fridge Brilliance since, in the movies and the Marvel G1 continuity, Cybertron is MUCH larger than Earth - in Marvel G1, it's stated to be the size of Saturn, while in the movies, it appears to be more the size of a Super-Earth. Logically, Cybertron must have a MUCH higher gravity than Earth due to its greater mass, and so, Transformers are Heavy Worlders - on their home planet, they'd probably have an agility more like a human's, meaning non-rocket-assisted jumps wouldn't be too high. On the much smaller Earth, though, they can run faster, jump higher, and are generally more agile - much like Silver Age Superman.

Plus, unlike most humongous mecha, they aren't built by humans... usually. And since they're machines, they wouldn't suffer the same effects a human would being stranded in a lower-gravity environment.

Edited by Spin Out, 09 March 2012 - 08:59 PM.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 09:33 PM

However, Chip Chase...but then, of course, Chip Chase.






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Posted 09 March 2012 - 09:39 PM

I haven't really ever wondered, no... I figure they're bigger but proportional to humans, so they can move at roughly the same speed. Should this not be the case? Would something that size be slowed by mass/density/whatever problems? They can be made out of Cybertronium and run on Energon or whatever so its easy enough to handwave comparisons to human-made machines not having the energy to move so much weight.

Also, Cybertron in Sunbow was about the size of the moon IIRC, maybe even smaller.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 09:42 PM

also they are the children of God... so they are not necessarily limited by out understanding of reality
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 09:43 PM

It's Just A Show, You Should Really Just Relax~

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:28 PM

High strength, low mass super alloy metals and anti grav tech.
 
 
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Posted 10 March 2012 - 12:58 AM

Of all the things to obsessively nerd over. I mean, almost every Transformer since the beginning has been a walking physics violation. I mean, if you can get your brain past the mass-shifting, I think the whole 'why do they move so fast' thing should be pretty much a non-issue.

On the other hand I have wondered why certain Transformers can move so quickly despite their comparative size, but it never bothered me too much. I mean, I just watched a motorcycle turn into a huge female robot, I can hardly start picking nits at that point.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 02:05 AM

QUOTE(Hora Hora @ Mar 9 2012, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's Just A Show, You Should Really Just Relax~

Words of wisdom.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 09:37 AM

QUOTE(The Doctor Who @ Mar 10 2012, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I mean, almost every Transformer since the beginning has been a walking physics violation.

I honestly think people take the laws of physics too seriously. Isn't the whole point of science is to keep an open mind since there's never 100% proof for the certainty of anything?

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 11:05 AM

QUOTE(Bug-Saw @ Mar 10 2012, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I honestly think people take the laws of physics too seriously.

I know! I float off into the sky and pass through solid walls every Tuesday night, and you don't see the Science Police coming and busting me. It's just not that big of a deal.

QUOTE(orionpax44 @ Jun 24 2012, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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You're talking to ▲ndrusi. Assume everything that he posts is snark.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 11:29 AM

QUOTE(Bug-Saw @ Mar 10 2012, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I honestly think people take the laws of physics too seriously. Isn't the whole point of science is to keep an open mind since there's never 100% proof for the certainty of anything?

If keep your mind open open that far, your brains will fall out.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 03:30 PM

QUOTE(Bug-Saw @ Mar 10 2012, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(The Doctor Who @ Mar 10 2012, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I mean, almost every Transformer since the beginning has been a walking physics violation.

I honestly think people take the laws of physics too seriously. Isn't the whole point of science is to keep an open mind since there's never 100% proof for the certainty of anything?

Well, no, the point of science is to put observations under a very precise and exacting set of requirements before accepting them as fact. A good scientist, however, will not ignore a result just because it's unexpected or unexplainable at the time, but at the same time they won't throw out known laws at a whim, especially when those laws have a long history of predicable and reliable results. To totally overturn the basic principles of physics would take a very, VERY large discovery and a lot of proof.

QUOTE(WorkbenchManiac @ Mar 10 2012, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Bug-Saw @ Mar 10 2012, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I honestly think people take the laws of physics too seriously. Isn't the whole point of science is to keep an open mind since there's never 100% proof for the certainty of anything?

If keep your mind open open that far, your brains will fall out.

This is also an acceptable answer XD

Edited by The Doctor Who, 10 March 2012 - 03:31 PM.


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Posted 10 March 2012 - 05:50 PM

Since I prefer 'smaller than earth' cybertron to saturn-sized cybertron, this is an unacceptable answer to a question I never asked icon-fire.gif

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 06:02 PM

Since it has been brought up in the past that some people believe that the TF's, especially the very large ones, would be crushed under their own weight, I think this is an interesting theory as to why they wouldn't be.

As for all the "It's just a show" responces, if that's how you guys truely feel then maybe it's time to sell your collections and move on. After all, isn't this kind of speculation just the sort of thing that communities like this are here to discuss?



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Posted 10 March 2012 - 06:04 PM

QUOTE(The Doctor Who @ Mar 10 2012, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, no, the point of science is to put observations under a very precise and exacting set of requirements before accepting them as fact. A good scientist, however, will not ignore a result just because it's unexpected or unexplainable at the time, but at the same time they won't throw out known laws at a whim, especially when those laws have a long history of predicable and reliable results. To totally overturn the basic principles of physics would take a very, VERY large discovery and a lot of proof.

The thing is, scientists are just human so they're interpreting things from their limited human perspective.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 06:46 PM

QUOTE(Shockwave 75 @ Mar 10 2012, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As for all the "It's just a show" responces, if that's how you guys truely feel then maybe it's time to sell your collections and move on. After all, isn't this kind of speculation just the sort of thing that communities like this are here to discuss?

Yes, if you don't care about the made-up physics of a cartoon about giant alien robots, way more than the creators ever did, then you don't deserve toys.


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The thing is, scientists are just human so they're interpreting things from their limited human perspective.

May I suggest you drop the topic? You obviously do not know what you are talking about, and I'm not sure I'd like to derail the thread into a lecture about the scientific process.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 06:57 PM

Transformers aren't always that fast. They walk (and sometimes run) the same pace as human children in most series.

But yea, when they want to, they can be very fast. How? Advanced technology, of course.

Edited by Starfield, 10 March 2012 - 07:02 PM.


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Posted 10 March 2012 - 07:10 PM

Also, computer brains.

I've always just assumed that TF reflexes are much much faster than humans' (to the point where gun-fu bullet-dodging is sometimes possible).

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 07:18 PM

Sufficiently advanced technology. 'Nuff said.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 07:27 PM

QUOTE(Mr Smitt @ Mar 10 2012, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Since I prefer 'smaller than earth' cybertron to saturn-sized cybertron, this is an unacceptable answer to a question I never asked icon-fire.gif

Maybe it's also very, very dense.

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Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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You're talking to ▲ndrusi. Assume everything that he posts is snark.