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@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 08:07 AM)

And humans are perfectly capable of hating things in unison while being divided on liking.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:34 AM)

On the other hand, there's a world of difference between "I hate RID" and "I hate Nazis."

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:27 AM)

On one hand, "hating what I hate" IS "liking what I like." One of those cultures can't be worse than the other because they're literally the same culture.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:26 AM)

I think that comparison is both an oversimplification AND a meaningless distinction.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 07:16 AM)

That's the internet effect. Distance and anonimity make for easy and consequence-less extremism.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 06:58 AM)

I think the aggressive "How dare you not hate exactly what I hate" culture online is worse than the aggressive "How dare you not like exactly what I like" culture.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 06:19 AM)

And now that song/scene and its many many parodies are running through my head.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 06:18 AM)

Patrick Swayze didnt!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:58 AM)

lol. As long as they knock first.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

Or as ghosts. I guess ghosts would be acceptable.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

For now, I'd just find some small comfort in knowing those who have passed actually are in some sort of better place.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:56 AM)

I'd find comfort in knowing that one way or another, that suffering would eventually end and a new, potentially happier beginning awaits.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:54 AM)

@LBD At the same time, I can't imagine wanting to stay in even a happy afterlife when fleshies are still suffering.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:49 AM)

Celebrating and welcoming death just gives them more ideological hoops to justify killing others. So yeah, no thanks.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

The idea of death doesn't bother me so much as no longer existing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

at the very least, my body will feed the grass which feeds the antelope which feeds the lio- ....wait

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Yeah, that's kind of the thing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Some cultures celebrate/welcome death (of course, those also have some form of afterlife)

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

You shouldn't be. What with having absolutely no knowledge or control over it.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

Death is scary, which is why we either spend our lives avoiding the subject or staying up late overthinking it.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

"Never did want to live forever." I'm more bothered about what -- if anything -- is next.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

Though I think the brain is a finite storage space so you'd probably start forgetting so much after some point it'd be like a new person transitioning in every few centuries. That'd be a good reason to keep a diary.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:43 AM)

I think immortality is possible biologically in the future, or at least living for vastly longer spans of time. I'd personally be happy to live at least a few thousand years, but I'd aim for forever.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:34 AM)

@MEDdMI Oh man, that bugs me all the time.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:33 AM)

Well, yesterday was a depressing bout of thinking I was going to get TR Hot Rod and then not getting TR Hot Rod after all (among other things).

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

Which is also something that bugs me about the "your dead loved ones are always watching you" concept. Do you mind? I'd like a little privacy, please!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:30 AM)

Even if it was possible, I can't help but think people would skip to the "good" parts, like sex.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

exactly.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 05:21 AM)

Besides the fact that it's all silly sci-fi scenarios, you can't just experience a memory and feel what that person felt since you have your own set of perceptual biases by which to judge the event

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 05:19 AM)

We already have something like that. It's called history class.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:18 AM)

"But in my ancestor's memory, they stole our orange first!"

@  Nevermore : (26 April 2017 - 05:14 AM)

"Your great-great-great-great-grandfather stole my great-great-great-great-grandfather's apple! I will kill you for that!"

@  Nevermore : (26 April 2017 - 05:14 AM)

If we had all our ancestors' knowledge, too many people would just use that as a excuse to continue old grudges for generations.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:13 AM)

I remember the same event a bit differently than my parents do, some things I'm sure happened but they don't remember or vice versa, etc.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:12 AM)

the problem with knowledge and memories is that our brains interpret/fill in gaps so it may not be completely accurate. It wouldn't be much different from autobiographical books/movies.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:37 AM)

yeah...this could just end up as a way for them to sell our grandkids Crystal Pepsi Max

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:35 AM)

Well, maybe this facebook mind reading thing I've been hearing about is the first step to that.... though I have to admit I'd prefer if it weren't such an advertising and data-collection obsessed company working on it

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:25 AM)

i'm legitimately hoping for the day when that happens, my snark aside, TM2-Megatron. Imagine what could be accomplished if future generations had first hand knowledge of the thoughts and contexts of the events that shaped their ancestors', and their own, world?

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:24 AM)

Even if it's just a way to download knowledge and memories without consciousness from a brain, I think that would go a long way towards easing people's minds.

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:22 AM)

I dunno; like life itself I think the things that define it are open to change. It's not like I have grand expectations of immortality, constantly downloading my consciousness into freshly-grown genetically-enhanced clones of myself. But I think it's a waste for so much accumulated experience and memories to just wink out.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:21 AM)

or something

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:21 AM)

all semblence of order our purpose are symtoms of the sickness in man's ego mad mind. sense is not possible until the end.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:19 AM)

existence is a vulgar absurdity

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 03:18 AM)

Eh, death is part of what defines life. Sooner we accept that it's just a thing that happens, the better.

@  Pennpenn : (26 April 2017 - 03:13 AM)

Probably be easier to develop that kind of thing if a significant portion of the population didn't think it was going to happen anyway for no adequately explainable reason.

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 02:42 AM)

Death doesn't terrify me, but I have to admit I find the notion of its inevitably more than a little disappointing. I'd hope there's eventually some way to preserve our minds in some form prior to death

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 01:55 AM)

Or maybe some broken kid in a giant cyborg will turn us all into tang. Who knows what the future brings?

@  Waspinator : (26 April 2017 - 01:52 AM)

As someone terrified of death, I for one welcome our transhumanist singularity overlords.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 01:52 AM)

Our grandchildren's grandchildren's grandchildren's grandchildren will be less than dust before heat death matters anyway.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 01:51 AM)

Signularity is a meaningless buzzword, like a lot of this transhumanist late-game stuff.


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#1 Powered Convoy

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 10:58 AM

VOTING IS LIVE!

The Nominees are in!

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TRANSFORMERS fans around the world were asked, who should be inducted into TRANSFORMERS Hall of Fame.




2012 Fan?s choice nominee: ARCEE

?I?m more than just a pretty face."



ARCEE has gone through many changes during her career as an AUTOBOT. From pink and white colors to a sleeker dark blue, ARCEE is one of the few female TRANSFORMERS to stand the test of time. ARCEE has proven herself in battle time and time again - whether it is against UNICRON, SHOKARACT or even JAHIAXUS. ARCEE has lost many partners during the Great War, but her most painful memory is losing her comrade CLIFFJUMPER at the hands of STARSCREAM. Two people she could never do without, however is her human friend JACK DARBY, and her great-nephew, RATTRAP.



2012 Fan?s choice nominee: MEGATRON (BEAST WARS)

?You shall vote for me. Yesssssssss."



Using the former leader of the DECEPTICONS as his namesake, MEGATRON orchestrated a plot to steal the Golden Disc, an ancient relic from the time of the AUTOBOT/DECEPTICON war. The disc led MEGATRON and his PREDACON crew to ancient Earth, where they, along with the pursuing MAXIMALS, reformatted into indigenous life-forms, instigating the BEAST WARS. After MEGATRON conquered the alien technology of the Vok, discovered the crashed Autobot Ark, nearly killed OPTIMUS PRIME, and gained control of the DECEPTICON warship NEMESIS, he was eventually defeated and returned to CYBERTRON by OPTIMUS PRIMAL. Once there, MEGATRON created an army of VEHICONS to help him conquer the planet. Unfortunately his beloved rubber ducky was left behind on primitive Earth.



2012 Fan?s choice nominee: WHEELJACK

?Statistically speaking I should be the winner."



WHEELJACK has built everything from magnetic inducers to immobilizers to gyro-inhibitors, and even the occasional DINOBOT. While his inventions often indeed do what they are supposed to, they just as often blow up. WHEELJACK is also a member of the WRECKERS, a division of AUTOBOT warriors who don?t play by the rules and often take on missions that others can?t - or won?t. When called upon, WHEELJACK serves as the chief weapons officer and ship?s engineer for the team. His personal ship, the JACKHAMMER, served as his mobile headquarters in the wake of the great shutdown of CYBERTRON. WHEELJACK had made it his personal mission to cruise the stars in search of lost AUTOBOTS, but specifically for WRECKERS who have lost their way.



2012 Fan?s choice nominee: RODIMUS

?Everyone knows I?ve got the potential to win!?



RODIMUS is young, na?ve, headstrong, and daring when it comes to his own safety in the field. Willing to push himself to the limit in order to get the job done, RODIMUS is known for conceiving highly dangerous plans to achieve his objectives. Believing that no bot should ever be left behind, RODIMUS will even put his own spark on the line to keep this promise to all who serve under him. Despite his immaturity, RODIMUS is considered an inspirational figure to many of his fellow AUTOBOTS, and some have even come to call him RODIMUS PRIME. Unfortunately, one time RODIMUS got in OPTIMUS PRIME?S way with disastrous results.



2012 Fan?s choice nominee: SKY-BYTE

?Who's the baddest shark around? Who's the smartest shark in town? Sky-Byte, that's me! ?



A proud PREDACON to the core, SKY-BYTE lead his warriors into battle against AUTOBOTS or DECEPTICONS. His desire to be in MEGATRON's good favor drove him - and sometimes he got lost. His skills are legendary amongst the PREDACON ranks. Legendary because SKY-BYTE rarely completed a mission. He has a soft side for poetry - a skill no one else has - or wants. If it weren't for SCOURGE and the DECEPTICONS, SKY-BYTE would never have strayed from the PREDACON cause. In his jealous rage, SKY-BYTE looked to the enemy for acceptance - including KOJI and the AUTOBOTS. Perhaps that is why the AUTOBOTS allowed him to remain free on Earth after the final battle - where he currently roams the ocean attacking illegal fishing vessels.

Edited by Powered Convoy, 09 March 2012 - 10:52 PM.



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Posted 08 March 2012 - 10:59 AM

Excellent choices all around, and I'm glad to see no joke or prank nominations made it in. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:04 AM

Wish it was a picture of Prime Arcee icon-screamer.gif Overall really good choices, love all the characters.

And ill be pulling for Swindle 2013 when hopefully he can get a nod a bit more legitimately.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:04 AM

Arcee's bio is on crack!

(You know, Arcee never actually fought Shokaract. Wrong 3H story!)

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:07 AM

A pretty nice spred. I like how they continued the multi-dimensional bios and how they had some fun with them. If there were one single good thing to come out of the Erector debacle it was his Hasbro bio and these seem to largely continue that playful tone. (Edit: Shokaract glitch aside. Maybe she'll fight him in this years BC story. icon-arcee.gif )


-ZacWilliam, objectively I kinda wish Sky-bite's was a bit better written and didn't feel quite so much like someone threw his wiki entry into a blender. It could really stand a rewrite and smoothing out. But that aside, Cool. icon-hotrod.gif

Edited by ZacWilliam1, 08 March 2012 - 11:08 AM.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:12 AM

The nominees please me. Yesssss.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:14 AM


Interesting that Prime Wheeljack's ship is the Star Hammer and this one's is the Jackhammer. It's a cute name, but I wonder why they didn't match the toy coming out.


-ZacWilliam, also wonders how long till G1 Wheeljack joins the Wreckers to better match this...
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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:16 AM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Mar 8 2012, 07:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


2012 Fan?s choice nominee: SKY-BYTE

?Who's the baddest shark around? Who's the smartest shark in town? Sky-Byte, that's me! ?



A proud PREDACON to the core, SKY-BYTE lead his warriors into battle against AUTOBOTS or DECEPTICONS. His desire to be in MEGATRON's good favor drove him - and sometimes he got lost. His skills are legendary amongst the PREDACON ranks. Legendary because SKY-BYTE rarely completed a mission. He has a soft side for poetry - a skill no one else has - or wants. If it weren't for SCOURGE and the DECEPTICONS, SKY-BYTE would never have strayed from the PREDACON cause. In his jealous rage, SKY-BYTE looked to the enemy for acceptance - including KOJI and the AUTOBOTS. Perhaps that is why the AUTOBOTS allowed him to remain free on Earth after the final battle - where he currently roams the ocean attacking illegal fishing vessels.

Sky-Byte has made it
Nominated Hall of Fame
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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:18 AM

Yeah, Arcee's is a mess. JAHIAXUS, Shokaract...love it, but yikes...

And listing BW Megs credentials in a paragraph makes him look like the most impressive transformer of all time. Probably because he is.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:25 AM

QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Mar 8 2012, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And listing BW Megs credentials in a paragraph makes him look like the most impressive transformer of all time. Probably because he is.

No probably about it, he is.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:25 AM

The only question is, who will get spammed? Megatron or Sky-Byte?

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2012 Fan?s choice nominee: RODIMUS


Christ, they can't even use his original name for this mostly non-commercial fanwank awards ceremony?

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:33 AM

Is this the year of a G1 fans choice? There's been the debate the last two years that characters like Jazz and Grimlock split the G1 vote, while BW fans could rally around the single non-G1 character. Is Sky-Byte going going to split off votes that would normally go to Megatron, or will the sheer awesomeness of Megatron going to dominate regardless?

Full disclosure, despite my personal Rodimus love left over from childhood, I'm planning to vote for either Sky-Byte or Megatron, but this issue is intriguing me.

Edit: Starfield: Great minds and all that, eh.

Edited by GodmasterElvis, 08 March 2012 - 11:35 AM.


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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:33 AM

QUOTE(Buster Darkwings @ Mar 8 2012, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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2012 Fan?s choice nominee: RODIMUS


Christ, they can't even use his original name for this mostly non-commercial fanwank awards ceremony?

Considering this isn't merely about the G1 character, but also the Energon and Animated iterations, who are both named "Rodimus", not "Hot Rod"...


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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:37 AM

I'm liking the way Wheeljack's bio reads and hopes this bodes well for his season 2 appearances in Prime since I can dig the reconciled direction. I know it's effectively casting my ballot into the wind but I'll be pulling for Wheeljack as the great underdog in this race

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:38 AM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Mar 8 2012, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Arcee's bio is on crack!

(You know, Arcee never actually fought Shokaract. Wrong 3H story!)
Well, she did now!


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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:39 AM

Ok, the bios are making my inner English writing geek twitch something feirce. Here's an attempt at smoothing out Arcee's:

ARCEE has grown a lot over her career as an AUTOBOT. From pink and white to a sleeker dark blue, whatever colors she wears ARCEE is one of the most steadfast, brave and determined Autobots you'll ever meet. She has proven herself in battle time and time again - whether it is against UNICRON, SHOKARACT or even JAHIAXUS. Tragically ARCEE has lost many partners during the Great War, but her most painful memory is losing her comrade CLIFFJUMPER at the hands of STARSCREAM. Two people she could never do without are her human friend JACK DARBY, and her great-nephew, RATTRAP.


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Edited by ZacWilliam1, 08 March 2012 - 11:40 AM.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:43 AM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Mar 8 2012, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Interesting that Prime Wheeljack's ship is the Star Hammer and this one's is the Jackhammer. It's a cute name, but I wonder why they didn't match the toy coming out.


I'm guessing it's always been intended as the Jackhammer, but we learned about the toy well before it got named on the show.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:44 AM

QUOTE(M Sipher @ Mar 9 2012, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Buster Darkwings @ Mar 8 2012, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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2012 Fan?s choice nominee: RODIMUS


Christ, they can't even use his original name for this mostly non-commercial fanwank awards ceremony?

Considering this isn't merely about the G1 character, but also the Energon and Animated iterations, who are both named "Rodimus", not "Hot Rod"...


I rather doubt anyone outside of a handful of fans remembers or cares about those non-entities, much less would consider them for a hall of fame award.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:45 AM

Arcee's bio is a good example of how problematic this merging of continuities can be. They take two characters both named Arcee and make them one person. I consider G1 Arcee and Prime Arcee to be seperate characters.