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@  Dracula : (27 April 2017 - 07:23 AM)

I hate the allspark! That's why it's been the only TF forum I've bothered with for almost 10 years!

@  Robowang : (27 April 2017 - 07:13 AM)

As much as I pick on us, that's a really big reason why I like it here too. Plus the traffic isn't so heavy that anything you post gets lost in five minutes.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:00 AM)

The Allspark is one of the first Transformers sites I've been to where there's no weird hero worship of the staff or two or three staffers who are weirdly aggressive about certain transformers related topics and never fail to show it. This is probably the first site in my near two decades in the fandom I can post and not feel I'm a few steps away from falling afoul of some unwritten rule that will cause people to pile on, so yay Allspark.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

*pops in* "Hm, I wonder where the conversation has gone since last night..." *reads* "...huh. I did not see any of that coming."

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

*apart!

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

This board has provided me with the only RP campaign that didn't fall a

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 05:17 AM)

So what? We're disciples of Primus and they're disciples of Unicron?

@  lastmaximal : (27 April 2017 - 04:26 AM)

I'm really not surprised.

@  Nevermore : (27 April 2017 - 04:16 AM)

Well, the users over on TFW in return accuse the Allspark of being an elitist clique that ostracizes everyone who doesn't act like they do (i.e. civil), whereas TFW is more welcoming to everyone regardless of their views.

@  Pennpenn : (27 April 2017 - 03:23 AM)

Hard G. I don't give a solitary shit what the creators call it, the first word in the acronym is "Graphical". I have no idea why they'd think any sane human could, would, or should pronounce it any other way.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 03:13 AM)

I acknowledge what the creators say, but whether I remember to use their pronunciation or not is hit or miss. Heck, I think I usually think of it in my head as "gee-i-ef", in parallel to "JPG" and "PNG".

@  Waspinator : (27 April 2017 - 02:50 AM)

Let's heat things up: what are everyone's opinions on how GIF should be pronounced?

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:11 PM)

But I will say that a lot of fandom forums are generally more tolerable nowadays because most belligerent types stick to Facebook groups

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:09 PM)

I do like their hard no-politics rule. Now that I do the occasional freelance writing for some local politics and I like zero percent of it my hobby space now. But holy cow, do they replace it with neck beard drama.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 10:30 PM)

like Noideaforaname I posted on TFW for a while. I came here after I got harassed for daring to suggest that Play With This Too was run by unoriginal hacks, and yeah. This place so much more preferable.

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

And you're turning us on

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

The terrible secret of the Allspark: We all have this twisted fetish for rational thought processes

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

Not everyone likes everything, and people aren't blind to shortfalls or annoyances resulting from constraints of how the brand is handled. We make many a joke out of these things. But it's a rare thing when entitlement replaces logic on here, where that seems to be poster raison d'etre everywhere else.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:11 PM)

It's utterly weird how these here boards seem so impervious an oasis when it comes to that depth of idiocy. Worshipping 3p and demanding the official companies "step it up" and stop being so lazy? Insisting the movies be done THEIR way, crapping on every single thing revealed about the films or toyline, then whining that they can't find (insert hot movie to here) or the official release of a movie figure doesn't capture the look in the film they hated? Etc

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:09 PM)

It's not even a "brand pissing contest" or "board loyalty" thing, not least due to the fact that those don't really even happen here all that much. I'm just happy to be with levelheaded people who've outgrown the usual fan dumb tropes. You can have a civilized conversation here and people don't shit on things only to hide behind "but but but to each their own right?" when their myopic BS is challenged.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:07 PM)

With each time nonsense like this flares up on tfw or on local discussion venues (and it does quite a bit) I'm just reminded of why I've essentially been allspark bound for the last... Fifteen or so years.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 10:07 PM)

On the plus side, tho, TFW has "appreciation threads" for practically everything, even stuff like Kre-O and PCC. And their toy database is quite handy.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 10:03 PM)

I've been happily posting on TFW for years. Then, after being *here* for a few months, I look back and wonder how the hell I even bothered with it. I mean, my ignore list had hundreds of people on it. Literally HUNDREDS of ignored people. I even showed off said gargantuan list once (with a small thumbnail that you couldn't read any of the names on, mind you). That... that really should have been a warning sign, I suppose...

@  WorkbenchManiac : (26 April 2017 - 08:03 PM)

Thanks, I enjoyed reading the nerdrage. I should hang out over there more often.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 07:07 PM)

I mean, Reveal Your Shield. That gets complained about too.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 07:04 PM)

One of the reveal the shield news threads at TFW has movie fans and G1 fans arguing over who has it worse

@  WorkbenchManiac : (26 April 2017 - 06:49 PM)

You got me awfully curious. What thread ware we talking about?

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:17 PM)

That was a quality read. Both sides of that thread's argument went pretty crazy.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 02:11 PM)

"When Beast Wars made Optimus a monkey nobody complained" ~ someone desperate for a 'gotcha'

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:05 PM)

I want to find the rock they've been under that there isn't constantly complaining about something.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:04 PM)

For the lack if a better word, it baffles me when someone starts a discussion somewhere that's like "Does anyone else not like the movies?"

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

Careful, it might have something to say about that.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

I'm gonna have to check your opinion out real good to make sure.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 11:55 AM)

Oppinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, but mine is better so shut up.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

To clarify on point 1 since I was typing early in the morning again, "you must hate exactly what I hate" and "you msut like exactly what I like" aren't actually the same statement but they're the same thought process which is "my opinions are objective facts." If you see someone espousing one, they're probably thinking the other, too.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:57 AM)

... what.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 AM)

Andrusi, I imagine to some people online, there isn't that much of a world of difference, at least going by the venom they post; although not at RiD specifically.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 08:55 AM)

The scale of liking and hating is an interval one so you can not like something but not hate it. Pretty sure there's apathy and dislike in between there at least.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 08:07 AM)

And humans are perfectly capable of hating things in unison while being divided on liking.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:34 AM)

On the other hand, there's a world of difference between "I hate RID" and "I hate Nazis."

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:27 AM)

On one hand, "hating what I hate" IS "liking what I like." One of those cultures can't be worse than the other because they're literally the same culture.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:26 AM)

I think that comparison is both an oversimplification AND a meaningless distinction.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 07:16 AM)

That's the internet effect. Distance and anonimity make for easy and consequence-less extremism.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 06:58 AM)

I think the aggressive "How dare you not hate exactly what I hate" culture online is worse than the aggressive "How dare you not like exactly what I like" culture.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 06:19 AM)

And now that song/scene and its many many parodies are running through my head.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 06:18 AM)

Patrick Swayze didnt!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:58 AM)

lol. As long as they knock first.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

Or as ghosts. I guess ghosts would be acceptable.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

For now, I'd just find some small comfort in knowing those who have passed actually are in some sort of better place.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:56 AM)

I'd find comfort in knowing that one way or another, that suffering would eventually end and a new, potentially happier beginning awaits.


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Posted 08 March 2012 - 12:21 AM

I mailed my personal check on 2/28. No confirmation by Fun Pub. yet, and no sign of the check having been cashed on my account yet. What are the chances that I won't be locked in for the 2012 exclusive Runamuck? Has anyone gotten any type of confirmation yet?

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 09:13 AM

I'm sure you will be fine. They are hand processing the renewals so it could take a few more days for the check to get processed. Since it only needed to travel from VA to TX, I'm sure its already at the office if you sent it on the 28th.
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Posted 08 March 2012 - 12:01 PM

My check cleared, but I haven't received any confirmation from FP. At least I've got the image of the check to prove that I paid.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 12:08 PM

Mailing out my MO today, didn't want to cut it so close but I had to wait for an extra cheque because my mom needed to borrow money to fix her car and I didn't expect Online renewals to be closed till after the deadline. Really hope I can still get Runamuck D:

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 08:27 PM

I have to renew too. I take it we are not using credit cards with Fun Pub at the moment?

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 08:43 PM

Wouldn't recommend it.

Also I think it's a good idea to give them a bit of time, seeing as how they're most likely pretty darn busy right now dealing with all this stuff.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 08:45 PM

Their store is still being reworked.

They said as long as the had the check or M.O. in the mail by the 9th you should be fine.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:03 PM

Huh. Well. Oops.

Guess I'll just buy Runamuck later.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:20 PM

Now, I forget, did FunPub maybe prolong the renewal deadline after the whole credit card security breakdown and switching back to mail-in forms? Because given all that's happened that seems like the absolute least they could do in consideration for their members who still want to stick with them.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 12:01 AM

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My check cleared, but I haven't received any confirmation from FP. At least I've got the image of the check to prove that I paid.


Someone over at 2005 seemed to have luck confirming their renewal by calling the toll-free number (1-817-448-9863).

http://www.tfw2005.c...tml#post7399991

I contacted Angie (angie@funpubinc.com) and she was able to confirm that my payment was received and processed and that my membership was renewed.

As far as a timeline goes, I mailed my payment on Feb. 25th and sent her an e-mail that day to let them know payment was in the mail and would likely be received Feb. 28th (according to the postal employee). She replied to check back in a week or so since the snail mail renewals were being processed by hand. So, the following Monday (March 5th) I e-mailed her to find out what was up, receiving a reply that the money order was received and that my renewal was processed.

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Now, I forget, did FunPub maybe prolong the renewal deadline after the whole credit card security breakdown and switching back to mail-in forms? Because given all that's happened that seems like the absolute least they could do in consideration for their members who still want to stick with them.


Nope, they're sticking to the March 16th deadline.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 12:26 AM

QUOTE(ExVee @ Mar 8 2012, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now, I forget, did FunPub maybe prolong the renewal deadline after the whole credit card security breakdown and switching back to mail-in forms? Because given all that's happened that seems like the absolute least they could do in consideration for their members who still want to stick with them.

Apparently they can't (a lot of folks will make it sound as though Fun Pub is choosing to hold to the deadline rather than show mercy to folks who have been affected by Fun Pub's problems--which are many. The explanations Fun Pub has given--such as they are--make it pretty obvious that Fun Pub isn't extending the deadline because they can't extend it for some logistical reason or another. I don't pretend to know what that reason is, but I'm more than a little tired of people assuming nefarious motives on Fun Pub's part).

Edited by G.B.Blackrock, 09 March 2012 - 12:26 AM.


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Posted 09 March 2012 - 01:32 AM

Wait, if they're taking payment by mail for renewal, are you also able to register to the convention in the same way?

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 07:18 AM

I'm certain there are a whole lot of problems/issues if they decide to extend the deadline past March 16th.

The one I'm most concerned about is delaying the sending out of Runamuck. Randy wants his Runamuck. icon-fire.gif

I for one am glad they have not.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 08:51 AM

QUOTE(G.B.Blackrock @ Mar 8 2012, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The explanations Fun Pub has given--such as they are--make it pretty obvious that Fun Pub isn't extending the deadline because they can't extend it for some logistical reason or another. I don't pretend to know what that reason is, but I'm more than a little tired of people assuming nefarious motives on Fun Pub's part).


QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Mar 9 2012, 06:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm certain there are a whole lot of problems/issues if they decide to extend the deadline past March 16th.


I've not been one sharpening the pitchforks or lighting the torches yet, but I have to ask....is everyone suffering from Stockholm syndrome? I respect the possibility that there are some valid logistical reason to maintain the deadline. But absent other information, it seems roughly as likely that they're holding the deadline because they always hold the deadline. Organizations of all shapes and sizes tend to stick to prior operating procedure regardless of if the original logic behind that procedure continues to hold.

Thus far, the only piece of info I've seen is just that they're describing it as a "hard internal deadline." That could mean that by waiting until the 17th, organizing BotCon becomes unwieldy. It could also mean that in every other year they get emails on March 18th pleading to get the current year's figure and so they have to have rigid policies to deal with that issue. If it's the second, they're kind of botching their crisis management by not extending the deadline. If it's the first, they're botching their crisis management by providing no information.

I'm not arguing this is a nefarious act, I'm arguing this is an act of inertia.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:11 AM

What you (and everyone else crying foul on FP for not extending the deadline) are missing is that this isn't a toy preorder, it's an event that occurs annually. Once a year, something happens--specifically, everyone who's a member of the club at that moment gets put on a "you get a toy" list. If I signed up on March 1 last year, then I get Side Burn; if I signed up on April 3, then I get Runamuck; but I always get some toy because a membership lasts one year and the dates are exactly one year apart.

Now, let's see what happens when we try pushing the date back by, say, a month. The deadline is now April 16. Sounds great, right? Except, remember, it's not a preorder, it's an event. The guy who signed up on March 1 last year is still fine, because he already has Side Burn, but the guy who signed up on April 3 gets screwed over. He was too late for Side Burn, and now he's too early for Runamuck, so he gets no free membership toy at all.

"But Andrusi!" you say. "Couldn't FP just credit all current members with a month of extra membership time?" Well, sure, you could. Of course, then the guy who signed up March 1 gets both Side Burn and Runamuck for the price of one membership, which probably messes up Runamuck's production numbers, and also probably makes him a little grumpy if he already paid his $40 to renew for the sake of getting Runamuck. And yes, I'm sure there's some way to work around that, but by this point we're getting into compensations for compensations for compensations over something that, frankly, boils down to people waiting until the last possible second to do something and then complaining when they run into last-minute problems. And I don't appreciate being accused of various "convincing yourself you like a terrible situation" cliches for being able to accept this.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 03:59 PM

So what about us who have been waiting for their online store to get back up to get in? Sounds like we're getting unintentionally screwed. Sure, there's mailing in a check, but I honestly didn't know this until now. I don't know if I could even get a Runamuck if I sent in a renewal today.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 04:03 PM

QUOTE(C16 @ Mar 9 2012, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So what about us who have been waiting for their online store to get back up to get in? We've been unfairly screwed. Sure, there's mailing in a check, but I honestly didn't know this until now. I don't know if I could even get a Runamuck if I sent in a renewal today.

I'd call them on the phone or just try and send the check in now any way. Call them Monday (if they're closed for the weekend) and let them know to expect it.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 04:07 PM

Would it be fine as long as it was postmarked before the 15th or would it have to arrive and be processed before then?

Also, is mail in registration for Botcon possible?

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 05:07 PM

QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Mar 9 2012, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What you (and everyone else crying foul on FP for not extending the deadline) are missing is that this isn't a toy preorder, it's an event that occurs annually. Once a year, something happens--specifically, everyone who's a member of the club at that moment gets put on a "you get a toy" list. If I signed up on March 1 last year, then I get Side Burn; if I signed up on April 3, then I get Runamuck; but I always get some toy because a membership lasts one year and the dates are exactly one year apart.

Now, let's see what happens when we try pushing the date back by, say, a month. The deadline is now April 16. Sounds great, right? Except, remember, it's not a preorder, it's an event. The guy who signed up on March 1 last year is still fine, because he already has Side Burn, but the guy who signed up on April 3 gets screwed over. He was too late for Side Burn, and now he's too early for Runamuck, so he gets no free membership toy at all.

"But Andrusi!" you say. "Couldn't FP just credit all current members with a month of extra membership time?" Well, sure, you could. Of course, then the guy who signed up March 1 gets both Side Burn and Runamuck for the price of one membership, which probably messes up Runamuck's production numbers, and also probably makes him a little grumpy if he already paid his $40 to renew for the sake of getting Runamuck. And yes, I'm sure there's some way to work around that, but by this point we're getting into compensations for compensations for compensations over something that, frankly, boils down to people waiting until the last possible second to do something and then complaining when they run into last-minute problems. And I don't appreciate being accused of various "convincing yourself you like a terrible situation" cliches for being able to accept this.


The Stockholm Syndrome remark was harsh and I probably should have left it out. Please accept my apologies. That said, it seems to me that the fandom is split between the extremes of people calling for Hasbro to revoke the license and people accepting that FunPub will fix it all, despite explanations "such as they are," to use G.B. Blackrock's phrase. I think it would help if both sides move to the center.

I respect your slippery slope argument. I'm viewing this completely from the lens of crisis management and I'm not convinced that FunPub is doing a particularly effective job of it. What's happening behind the scenes is likely overtaxing their resources, but they have dual problems of a technical issue and a public relations issue. They seem to still be kind of behind in dealing with the second.

Regardless of the RUINED FOREVER phenomenon, we're mostly adults here. I would think that if you explain the very logical reason for not extending the deadline that you've outlined (if that's what's happening), generally people should be understanding. As it is, FunPub is piling an arbitrary sounding explanation on top of whatever goodwill was eroded by the credit card issue.

Personally, I'd suggest some plan where they keep enrollment open for another month, but with very explicit language that the membership covers the period from March 16, 2012-March 16, 2013. I'm sure some people would rail about how they're "cheated" out of that month. Given that FunPub just sold a very well executed figure that is, in part, designed to work with the free figure, I'd think that doing something to allow greater access to that figure would be overall appreciated.

In full disclosure, I am the rare example of someone who has miraculously not been hit with fraud and who renewed before the store went down. So I have no reason to be angry (and ultimately I'm not). I'm pulling for FunPub to emerge unscathed, but I think transparency about what's happening is the best way to try and diffuse the situation.


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Posted 09 March 2012 - 06:01 PM

QUOTE(GodmasterElvis @ Mar 9 2012, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Stockholm Syndrome remark was harsh and I probably should have left it out. Please accept my apologies. That said, it seems to me that the fandom is split between the extremes of people calling for Hasbro to revoke the license and people accepting that FunPub will fix it all, despite explanations "such as they are," to use G.B. Blackrock's phrase. I think it would help if both sides move to the center.

I'm pretty happy to agree that it would be helpful to move more to the center and away from the extremes, unless someone is trying to suggest that somehow I'm on one of those extremes.

Because if someone gets that impression having read my posts over the years (I've had plenty bad to say about FP on occasion), I'm not sure what I can do that would make me appear to move toward the center.