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@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:37 AM)

yeah...this could just end up as a way for them to sell our grandkids Crystal Pepsi Max

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:35 AM)

Well, maybe this facebook mind reading thing I've been hearing about is the first step to that.... though I have to admit I'd prefer if it weren't such an advertising and data-collection obsessed company working on it

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:25 AM)

i'm legitimately hoping for the day when that happens, my snark aside, TM2-Megatron. Imagine what could be accomplished if future generations had first hand knowledge of the thoughts and contexts of the events that shaped their ancestors', and their own, world?

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:24 AM)

Even if it's just a way to download knowledge and memories without consciousness from a brain, I think that would go a long way towards easing people's minds.

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:22 AM)

I dunno; like life itself I think the things that define it are open to change. It's not like I have grand expectations of immortality, constantly downloading my consciousness into freshly-grown genetically-enhanced clones of myself. But I think it's a waste for so much accumulated experience and memories to just wink out.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:21 AM)

or something

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:21 AM)

all semblence of order our purpose are symtoms of the sickness in man's ego mad mind. sense is not possible until the end.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:19 AM)

existence is a vulgar absurdity

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 03:18 AM)

Eh, death is part of what defines life. Sooner we accept that it's just a thing that happens, the better.

@  Pennpenn : (26 April 2017 - 03:13 AM)

Probably be easier to develop that kind of thing if a significant portion of the population didn't think it was going to happen anyway for no adequately explainable reason.

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 02:42 AM)

Death doesn't terrify me, but I have to admit I find the notion of its inevitably more than a little disappointing. I'd hope there's eventually some way to preserve our minds in some form prior to death

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 01:55 AM)

Or maybe some broken kid in a giant cyborg will turn us all into tang. Who knows what the future brings?

@  Waspinator : (26 April 2017 - 01:52 AM)

As someone terrified of death, I for one welcome our transhumanist singularity overlords.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 01:52 AM)

Our grandchildren's grandchildren's grandchildren's grandchildren will be less than dust before heat death matters anyway.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 01:51 AM)

Signularity is a meaningless buzzword, like a lot of this transhumanist late-game stuff.

@  Evac : (26 April 2017 - 01:43 AM)

Or we could go "extinct" in a Singularity, becoming one with our technology to the extent we cease to exist in our current state.

@  Waspinator : (26 April 2017 - 01:37 AM)

Or we'll be killed by Skynet and unleash a plague of von Neumann probes upon the universe.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 01:37 AM)

Assuming all humans leave Earth, of course. Plenty won't, or won't be able to.

@  Evac : (26 April 2017 - 01:35 AM)

Technically it could be subspecies of Homo sapiens... But after a couple thousand years away from Earth, it's kind of inevitable humanity will evolve to adapt to strange new habitats.

@  Evac : (26 April 2017 - 01:33 AM)

We'd have to adapt to different conditions, especially when we're unable to return to Earth.

@  Evac : (26 April 2017 - 01:32 AM)

I can't really see humanity in its current state if/after we "go cosmic," though. You'll have different people adapting to living in zero-G environments, on colonies on other planets that have various conditions...

@  Evac : (26 April 2017 - 01:29 AM)

True.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 01:29 AM)

Evolution doesn't mean extinction of a previous state always, tho.

@  Evac : (26 April 2017 - 01:27 AM)

Well, humans as we know them (Homo sapiens) will probably go extinct at some point as the species evolves further. That's only if we somehow don't destroy ourselves.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 12:26 AM)

Oh, humanity will go hypercritical and wipe itself out long before that's a concern.

@  Waspinator : (25 April 2017 - 11:04 PM)

All we need to do is built Diebuster to haul us away from the sun

@  Evac : (25 April 2017 - 10:36 PM)

Okay, well all of us will be dead. Jury's out on our descendants.

@  Evac : (25 April 2017 - 10:36 PM)

But we'll either be dead or be forced off the planet well before that point, since Earth will turn into a Venus-style hellhole in about a billion years.

@  Evac : (25 April 2017 - 10:29 PM)

[/science nerd]

@  Evac : (25 April 2017 - 10:29 PM)

About five billion years, actually.

@  Waspinator : (25 April 2017 - 09:38 PM)

Go check that episode of Doctor Who to see what date they said.

@  wonko the sane? : (25 April 2017 - 09:26 PM)

We got a date for that yet? I want to clear my schedule to watch it.

@  Waspinator : (25 April 2017 - 08:46 PM)

There are some more immediate doomsday scenarios on a more local level, like the sun expanding and consuming us all.

@  Evac : (25 April 2017 - 08:25 PM)

In a few trillion years, there's going to be a Big Rip, a heat death, a Big Crunch or a Big Bounce, so- wait, you're talking about Stargate.

@  Xellos : (25 April 2017 - 08:20 PM)

I just wish Universe had a conclusive ending...

@  wonko the sane? : (25 April 2017 - 07:53 PM)

They had to try something new, and it didn't work.

@  Echowarrior : (25 April 2017 - 07:31 PM)

SG-1 was a good series. Atlantis too. Universe...dear god was that ever a misfire.

@  Xellos : (25 April 2017 - 02:56 PM)

Started watching SG-1 right before season 9. The Stargate were the last live action series that could hold my attention week to week.

@  Rycochet : (25 April 2017 - 02:52 PM)

Sg1 really lost it's appeal once they got too far into the ancients/ascended plotlines.

@  Gizmoboy : (25 April 2017 - 02:48 PM)

I enjoyed the movie. Never got into the TV Series.

@  BlackMax : (25 April 2017 - 02:19 PM)

About twenty since I cared. :D :D :D

@  Whirl Maximus : (25 April 2017 - 01:50 PM)

ten years since Stargate SG1 ended.

@  WorkbenchManiac : (25 April 2017 - 11:05 AM)

it's all about that sweet, savory monosodium glutamate!

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 April 2017 - 10:58 AM)

If you're eating cheap Chinese, nutritional value is probably not the first thing on your mind.

@  Paladin : (25 April 2017 - 10:56 AM)

depends on where you get them from, but sometimes the paper has more nutritional value.

@  Robowang : (25 April 2017 - 10:21 AM)

I have actually eaten the cookie without opening it before. I didn't realize it until my wife asked what my fortune was.

@  BlackMax : (25 April 2017 - 09:18 AM)

It's like the fortune cookies. After getting so many over the years I just barely notice them.

@  Pennpenn : (25 April 2017 - 09:17 AM)

Sorry, yeah, I also dislike any policy which involves including putting Optimus Prime in teriyaki chicken.

@  unluckiness : (25 April 2017 - 09:13 AM)

That sounds like an unfair assessment of the teriyaki chicken.

@  Pennpenn : (25 April 2017 - 09:10 AM)

Yeah but there's no way they weren't designing it with the Optimus Maximus or whatever in mind. That said I could just be annoyed because I dislike the "every line must have at least one Optimus Prime in there somewhere" policy that Hasbro seems to have.


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#1 Octavius Prime

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 07:28 PM

Just thought I'd ask. I like TFP Voy Optimus better than FE Optimus, so that's not really "settling" in my mind, but I'm convincing my self that I will indeed be ok with the new Bulkhead mold as opposed to spending $70 on the FE.

I did splurge to get FE CJ and the Entertainment pack, though (granted, that last one doesn't really have a normal retail equivalent).

Didn't include the wave 1 FE deluxes due to them being pretty widely available or at least affordable on ebay. Also didn't include the Eradicon because A) hey, no more than 3 poll questions and B) Japan only.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 07:31 PM

Can't the Takaratomy releases be in the poll too? I mean, Takara's Cliffjumper has a cannon similar to the ones FE Cliffjumper had, and Takara's Optimus lacks electronics.

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#3 The Doctor Who

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 07:37 PM

What about those of us sucker enough to get both in some cases?

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 07:44 PM

I think your poll needs an option that says, "I don't have much of a damn choice, do I?" icon-megs.gif

EDIT: In all seriousness though, I'll be getting the PRiD molds. As much as I'm irritated with Hasbro about the whole thing, I refuse to reward scalpers with money more.

Edited by Ursa Magnus, 06 March 2012 - 07:51 PM.


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Posted 06 March 2012 - 07:47 PM

I'm getting some Prime toys, but actually none of those listed in your poll.
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Posted 06 March 2012 - 07:49 PM

I'd be lucky just to see anything.


But seriously why did they make two molds? It seems like such a waste of time and money to produce two separate molds.
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Posted 06 March 2012 - 07:58 PM

QUOTE(Varnon @ Mar 6 2012, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd be lucky just to see anything.


But seriously why did they make two molds? It seems like such a waste of time and money to produce two separate molds.


basically, at least some of the FE molds (specifically Starscream, Arcee, and BB) were supposed to be Generations toys, but when it seemed that DotM was to push a TFP mainline back until mid-2012, they decided to give TFP a mini/preview line (FE). However, the FE toys didn't hit until November (a year after the show started...) and they cut the feet out from under DotM early, so we're now getting the TFP mainline where the FE molds are redundant to agree.

At least, that's what I've gathered.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 07:58 PM

I might settle for the Bulkhead despite that ugly as crap attachement thing and his generally less pleasing asthetic.

But I refuse to settle for PRID Prime, and if I can't get an FE Cliffjumper, I'm just not going to get a Cliffjumper.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 08:05 PM

PRiD Optimus Prime is fine. I've watched reviews for both, and I really don't see as much of a difference as everyone seems to claim.

Of course, again, not like I had a lot of damn choice. I'd much rather have the FE Cliff, and certainly the FE Bulkhead, but... again...

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 08:08 PM

QUOTE(Octavius Prime @ Mar 6 2012, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
basically, at least some of the FE molds (specifically Starscream, Arcee, and BB) were supposed to be Generations toys, but when it seemed that DotM was to push a TFP mainline back until mid-2012, they decided to give TFP a mini/preview line (FE). However, the FE toys didn't hit until November (a year after the show started...) and they cut the feet out from under DotM early, so we're now getting the TFP mainline where the FE molds are redundant to agree.

At least, that's what I've gathered.


I think I get why there was going to be FE and main line. What I do not get is why they produced new molds for the latter. Isn't it really expensive making new molds? Did they feel the FE ones were so bad they had to start over?

Oh, and in regards to the FE vs. main line topic, I think I might actually prefer FE Arcee, but I never did see her in stores and I won't pay secondary market prices. So I guess I'm settling on her.
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Posted 06 March 2012 - 08:19 PM

I actually like the RiD BB better than FE BB.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 09:15 PM

I went for a mix. Doesn't seem to be an option in the poll for that.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 09:17 PM

Once you go FE Bulkhead, you can never go back. And I refuse to get PRiD Bulkhead on account of that STUPID stupid weapon of his. That, and FE Bulk is pure sex, and there ain't no way the PRiD version can do better by it.

PRiD Prime I have because he's the only one with "real" chest windows/windshield instead of the cheaty thing going on with the FE versions. But I hate the mold to bits, and only hold onto it for that one token of accuracy.

FE Cliffjumper is just a superior toy to PRiD Cliffy. I only got PRiDjumper to pass the time until I got the FE version, and was gonna get rid of it, but will hold onto it for sentimental reasons as Cliffy WAS diagnosed on the Prime show with a case of "deadness."
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Posted 06 March 2012 - 09:35 PM

I'm not a big fan of Cliffjumper either way, so I just picked up the PRiD version. But, God DAMN, are the FE versions of Prime and Bulkhead better. After I got FE Prime, I severely regretted purchasing PRiD Optimus instead of just waiting. It's just that good. PRiD Bulkhead already looks awful, so no contest there. FE Bulkhead is so satisfyingly hefty, too.
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Posted 06 March 2012 - 09:41 PM

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PRiD Optimus Prime is fine. I've watched reviews for both, and I really don't see as much of a difference as everyone seems to claim.

If you get them next to each other in reality, there's world of difference. FE Optimus has these great superheroic proportions and a very dynamic look in general (not to mention a smoother transformation), while PRiD Optimus feels more like some lanky guy in an Optimus suit. It's weird, but that's the best way I can put it. Plus the PRiD gun is dumb as hell, since it "transforms", so to speak, for no discernable reason.
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Posted 06 March 2012 - 10:52 PM

I'm settling for PRID, because, as my buddy Ursa said, I ain't got much damn choice.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 10:56 PM

Since Cliffjumper has been one of my favorite characters and I can't afford to get the FE version, I decided to get the RID version. I completely disappointed by it. It's not it's necessarily a bad toy, it's just that it makes me want the FE version even more.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 11:02 PM

I'd like FE Cliffjumper, but I mean, come on. 40 god damn dollars? No thanks.

I may shoot for FE Optimus, who looks like a bargain on Ebay compared to some Cliffjumper prices. And Bulkhead looks really good too, but he's priced worse than Optimus.

This whole thing is a mess.



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Posted 06 March 2012 - 11:09 PM

I played with a friend's PRID Optimus, and he was really fun to handle. That his gun is a block of nothing half the time was really the one thing I disliked. Really turned me around from disliking the pictures of the toy and even the toy in package to wanting one.

So right now it's a conflict among "Get PRID Prime now," "Wait for the Weaponizer (which looks really nice)" or "Wait to see if the Voyager PRID Optimus repaint that will inevitably be announced has a cooler weapon."

First Edition is off the table for me unless Hasbro rereleases it later (I could get it, but it's not "must have" enough to justify the expense for me).

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 11:32 PM

I've got the First Editions for all three but have been kicking around the idea of buying the Prid ones as well and display those ones in vehicle mode.