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@  Maximus Ambus : (11 August 2020 - 03:52 AM)

Others say Joe sat down at this pond next to these ducks but really there's just no place in this world for an old man and his ducks.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P


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Posted 01 April 2012 - 03:37 PM

I mostly feel the same, didn't love them but it did give some luaghs, but not going to quit just yet. I'm gonna give it a few more episodes before I decide if I'm fully on board with it. It took me awhile to like Avengers as well, but that was because they started about a 8th through the first season.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 06:44 PM

Too bad. Maybe someday well have an awesome Marvel Animated Universe.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 07:25 PM

When's a rerun? I missed it.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 08:10 PM

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I don't think it is. Which makes it kind of surprising that they're dealing with some of the same characters in both shows.
Don't companies normally worry about confusing kids?


Given the voice over on the Avengers' theme, I think they don't think kids are smart enough to get confused.


The show actually seems to fall into semi-continuity with the movies, from what's seen so far.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 08:31 PM

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Man of "forget we were Vertigo writers..we like goofy crap" Action.

Hey, I happen to LIKE their "goofy crap" icon-fire.gif They're fun, and intentionally so. I mean, I've come around to like YJ, and it is fun, but Generator Rex is funner, and the original Ben 10 was, while not as great as Teen Titans, a hell of a fun ride due to how creative the alien designs were and the general awesomeness of Grandpa Max and Vilgax.

Plus, Joe Kelly's been making goofy yet awesome stuff ever since he made Deadpool's regular series icon-waspy.gif

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 09:39 PM

I don't mind the goofy. Of the 4 Super-Hero shows we've got, 3 of them are very serious and Adult and jive. I like a show that seeks to recapture what made Teen Titans great. Is Drake Bell Peter Parker? No. Is it still entertaining? Yeah.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 03:06 AM

QUOTE(Scavgraphics @ Apr 1 2012, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Silent_Magnus @ Apr 1 2012, 02:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think it is. Which makes it kind of surprising that they're dealing with some of the same characters in both shows.
Don't companies normally worry about confusing kids?


Given the voice over on the Avengers' theme, I think they don't think kids are smart enough to get confused.


The show actually seems to fall into semi-continuity with the movies, from what's seen so far.

I believe it's been blatantly stated that it's not part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, I'll see if I can dig up a link. Coulson is just becoming a Harley Quinn or J.A.R.V.I.S. character that originates in one continuity and then starts popping up in others.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 06:41 AM

I enjoyed it for the most part. Spidey is a jokester, which I appreciate. There's a lot of 'this is a cartoon' gags that make me laugh.

Yeah, the voice isn't the best, but he just might grow into it, who knows.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 06:55 AM

I basically dug it. The cut-aways worked for the most part, being largely genuinely amusing while keeping themselves brief and unintrusive - something I thought Teen Titans had a really bad handle on at the start, as it would have the characters turning chibi while in the middle of serious arguments and suchlike. It's definitely skewing younger than a lot of recent Marvel 'toons with toys clearly in mind - no amount of justification will ever make Spidey having a motorcycle be a good idea - a few of Spidey's quips were cringe-inducing, and Tara Strong and Tom Kenny kinda stick out amid a cast of lesser-heards, but I got legitimate laughs out of it, and it's got the much-needed balance between Spidey doing good in his super-heroing and it messing with his home-life, so I'll keep watching.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 09:27 AM

I don't see how web slinging can be too expensive if Spidey, a high school student, has already been doing this for a year.



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Posted 02 April 2012 - 09:33 AM

GOD THAT WAS SO hugging FUNNNY!!!!
I WAS LAUGHING ALL THE TIM AND FOUND IT A GAMIBBION TIMES BETTER THEN SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN!!!!!
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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:04 AM

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The show actually seems to fall into semi-continuity with the movies, from what's seen so far.

I believe it's been blatantly stated that it's not part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, I'll see if I can dig up a link. Coulson is just becoming a Harley Quinn or J.A.R.V.I.S. character that originates in one continuity and then starts popping up in others.



Thus I said "semi". Coulson, Fury's appearance. JK Simmons as JJJ, and the Iron Man scene which (with cat added) was right out of the first movie..make it clear a movie world vibe is what they're aiming at.


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My problem with the "goofy" is that frankly, it didn't commit. Batman B&TB committed. This was "Here's our wacky fun time...and here's the character angsting about no parents and his uncle's death, but wait, here's more wacky!!!"

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:45 AM

The sudden changes into chibis are just... weird. I accepted them in TT because the art style was kiddie most of the time, too... but here, they look just weird. Still, I will give this a shot.

Some people say this is in continuity with Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, any comments on that?

QUOTE(Scavgraphics @ Apr 2 2012, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My problem with the "goofy" is that frankly, it didn't commit. Batman B&TB committed. This was "Here's our wacky fun time...and here's the character angsting about no parents and his uncle's death, but wait, here's more wacky!!!"


Credit where credit's due... I don't think Brave and the Bold committed at first. Sure, there were episodes that did, and in others, Bwana Beast died... Or Joe Chill got carmic justice. Only in Season 3 did the show decide to fully become silly, and I loved every minute of it, but before... It was more 60-ies comic wackiness that tried to take itself seriously at times.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:57 AM

QUOTE(BB Shockwave @ Apr 2 2012, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Credit where credit's due... I don't think Brave and the Bold committed at first. Sure, there were episodes that did, and in others, Bwana Beast died... Or Joe Chill got carmic justice. Only in Season 3 did the show decide to fully become silly, and I loved every minute of it, but before... It was more 60-ies comic wackiness that tried to take itself seriously at times.


IIRC, the Joe Chill episode was in late season 2 or 3, and by then, the show had earned the wacky, so when they pulled out the serious, it was something. And they didn't have Joe Chill get wacked by the other criminals, and then Aquaman pull the screen down and shout "OUTRAGEOUS!"

Season 1 with Funhaus at Christmas, where they make Bruce's origin even more emo, they didn't have Plastic Man there..they had Red Tornado on a quest for humanity.

It's a mood whiplash, which might mellow in time, but given Bendis is creativly bankrupt, and MoA is the unit who thought the best follow-up to a dark turn in the status quo on Generator Rex was wacky hijinks on the set of a soap opera...I have little faith.

(I've read on other forums, that younger children really loved the show, so good there..but XD and the Marvel purchase was supposed to be about the male teen market that they keep missing)

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 01:33 PM

I'm mostly okay with the exposition heavy cutaways, but the ones that happen mid-battle are a bit distracting.
It sort of feels like they're trying to do my imagination's work for me. I don't need quips and jokes to be so literally represented.

It feels weird to have this position when I normally prefer the funny stuff.


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Posted 02 April 2012 - 02:00 PM

Funny stuff in Spider-man should be confined to him being a wise guy and sods law NOT cutaways. They are just bringing this show down.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 02:45 PM

Just watched the first episode today, and man... feels like this show is on Speed or some other party drug! Really, it is just... too fast and wants to do too many things at the same time. It never really slows down. Heck, they even sexed up aunt May and made her into some super-auntie who does yoga and hangs on the web! (The world-wide kind, that is) icon-fire.gif

It's not a bad show, by any margin... it is just really not for me. It's for today's kids, I guess, who like information and cartoon given to them at this pace.

But as others said, the cuts between funny and serious are sometimes too jarring. For example, the 3 villains walk into the school (this sounds like the beginning of a joke...) and seriously threaten the kids and are about to kill Peter and others... and what happens next? FOOD FIGHT!

And if you felt Jameson was over the top in other Spiderman toons, look at him here! On the contrary though, Nick Fury is all nice and friendly WHILE being a badass.

And heh, even if it is a cartoon Stan Lee manages to get a cameo. icon-fire.gif

I will watch it probably, as it is entertaining, but I hope they slow down the pace after they have gotten the introductions and explanations out of the way. I mean, imagine if Transformers Animated started this way, explaining every character's backstory right there and then in 5-second flashbacks instead of waiting for future (full) episodes...

Btw, is Tornadron being sarcastic and then turning serious then back again?

Scavgraphics - Chill of the Night was Season 2, and then there were episodes like Last patrol (where the whole Doom Patrol gets killed off!) or the whole Darkseid invasion. Sure, we had extremely funny stuff like Music Meister (I love that episode) or the Matches Malone story (well, the story wasn't funny, but the musical number sure was)... Or Alfred's future Batman fanfic. icon-fire.gif But my point stands, it was Season 3 where they gave up on trying to do serious stories. And frankly, that worked all the better for the show. I only kept a few favourite episodes from previous seasons, but I have all of Season 3. The "reverse" episode with Joker and Weeper, Night of the Batmen, 'Superdickery' episode, the Legion of Doom parody, pricky Captain Atom... and especially Mitefall, were all comedy gold.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 02:59 PM

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Btw, is Tornadron being sarcastic and then turning serious then back again?

Yes.
I saw both episodes and feel it sucks because they got the humour all wrong for the character. If this show was called Teen Ultimates it wouldn't be so bad but Spider-Mans humour doesn't come from cutaways it comes from him making smart alec remarks and silly stuff like going to the laundromat to clean his costume with a bag over his head.

This show deserves to bomb, Odin help us it take off and contaminate the next X-Men or Transformers series.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 03:42 PM

QUOTE(BB Shockwave @ Apr 2 2012, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Some people say this is in continuity with Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, any comments on that?


It's not. Luke Cage and Iron Fist are adults in EMH, and USM can't be a prequel as Cap's already been unfrozen and the Avengers are around.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 04:26 PM

QUOTE(BB Shockwave @ Apr 2 2012, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But as others said, the cuts between funny and serious are sometimes too jarring. For example, the 3 villains walk into the school (this sounds like the beginning of a joke...) and seriously threaten the kids and are about to kill Peter and others... and what happens next? FOOD FIGHT!


No that wasn't for the funny, that was what most call a "diversion" You're in school cafeteria need a way to distract the villains while you change, quickest way? Food Fight, there might be some humor in the idea of pelting villains with food; but to me it primarily came off as Pete needing cover.

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