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@  unluckiness : (23 April 2017 - 06:28 AM)

No idea.

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 April 2017 - 03:40 AM)

Sometimes the Shoutbox takes a little longer to catch up to a new avatar.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 April 2017 - 03:00 AM)

In the Shoutbox I'm seeing the pink thing instead of that guy with the weird eyes.

@  Telly : (23 April 2017 - 02:59 AM)

looks the same to me. maybe it looks different cause its smaller?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 April 2017 - 02:57 AM)

@unluckiness why/how is your avatar here different than the one in your profile

@  unluckiness : (23 April 2017 - 02:44 AM)

Revengeance

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 April 2017 - 01:33 AM)

Some people say revenge is sweet. Others say revenge is a dish best served cold. So basically, revenge is ice cream.

@  Verity Carlo : (22 April 2017 - 05:51 PM)

Retribution is fun.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (22 April 2017 - 05:39 PM)

'Sides, we all know the best G.I. Joe movie is Street Fighter, even if people haven't realized it yet.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (22 April 2017 - 05:39 PM)

I thought it was... okay. Okay as a movie, kinda fun, but not quite really feeling the G.I. Joe. I heard the sequel fixed that, but I've yet to see it.

@  Daith : (22 April 2017 - 05:26 PM)

Not sure about others but tried too hard to mainstream the idea to the public, making Baroness and the future Cobra Commander Duke's ex fiance and her brother was stupid and convoluted, and the power armor was a bit dumb

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 April 2017 - 05:14 PM)

What's the general opinion here about G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra?

@  BlackMax : (22 April 2017 - 02:55 PM)

In response to whether Arachnid Base or Orcanoch is the weirder.

@  BlackMax : (22 April 2017 - 02:55 PM)

My friend Take: "My vote goes to Spider Volcanobutt."

@  Rycochet : (22 April 2017 - 02:37 PM)

When I find myself in times of trouble, small marsupials come to me. Chattering and hissing, wallabies.

@  Evac : (22 April 2017 - 02:17 PM)

ROCKO'S MODERN LIIIIIIFE

@  Foffy : (22 April 2017 - 02:07 PM)

Did somebody mention wallabies?

@  Telly : (22 April 2017 - 01:38 PM)

"Walls of 'bee". walmart will be changing their name during movie time. they will now be called "walbee"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 April 2017 - 12:49 PM)

I'm pretty sure even Hasbro reps have admitted that they went overboard with Bee repaints.

@  Rycochet : (22 April 2017 - 12:34 PM)

Parents/retailers want them, it's cost effective to produce them, therefore they get made. Walls of 'bee may not be what we want to see, but here we are.

@  Bass X0 : (22 April 2017 - 12:29 PM)

That still doesn't justify all the barely repainted Bumblebee and Optimus Prime toys in slightly different shades of their standard color scheme.

@  Rycochet : (22 April 2017 - 12:26 PM)

The movie toylines are a necessary evil at this point, they help us get nice things so I can tolerate them.

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 April 2017 - 12:19 PM)

Eh, I'm more indifferent to the movies than angry.

@  Evac : (22 April 2017 - 12:04 PM)

Also, I highly doubt that. Judging by how some TR stuff hasn't been released yet (including Trypticon) and they're hyping up PotP for next year, what I'm assuming we'll see is Generations, Movieverse and RID/whatever the next cartoon is running alongside each other.

@  Evac : (22 April 2017 - 12:02 PM)

I KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED! IT'S OBVIOUS WHAT'S HAPPENED! I WANT TO KNOW HOW WE CAN MAKE IT UNHAPPEN!

@  Telly : (22 April 2017 - 11:45 AM)

you are reacting to movies toys overtaking our beloved generations line for the next 2 years. and yes it is

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 April 2017 - 11:32 AM)

WHAT AM I REACTING TO AND IS ANGER APPROPRIATE?!

@  Evac : (22 April 2017 - 10:50 AM)

Krok? It's happening again...

@  BlackMax : (22 April 2017 - 10:15 AM)

Don't forget Kup.

@  RichardT1977 : (22 April 2017 - 09:59 AM)

Perceptor, Topspin, Krok, Quake

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (22 April 2017 - 01:50 AM)

Whats wave 4?

@  RichardT1977 : (21 April 2017 - 11:48 PM)

Welpers, enjoy Titans Return Deluxe wave 4 if you got 'em. Starting next Monday, Generations is going on hiatus.

@  Telly : (21 April 2017 - 09:40 PM)

wish i knew where my ebay package from china was. no update in 20 days. its due next saturday...

@  BlackMax : (21 April 2017 - 06:47 PM)

It's nice to be popular. :D

@  NightViper : (21 April 2017 - 06:44 PM)

Max Reboot Band

@  Rycochet : (21 April 2017 - 05:13 PM)

*grumblemumblemutterRainmakergrumblemumble*

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 April 2017 - 05:05 PM)

ReBoot reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (21 April 2017 - 05:04 PM)

Fantastic Max reboot.

@  Whirl Maximus : (21 April 2017 - 04:06 PM)

Mighty Max reboot.

@  Evac : (21 April 2017 - 11:27 AM)

IT'S FUN TO BE AT THE Y-M-C-A!

@  Paladin : (21 April 2017 - 11:21 AM)

it's raining men.

@  Evac : (21 April 2017 - 10:50 AM)

This news simply fills my heart with rainbows.

@  Rycochet : (21 April 2017 - 10:21 AM)

Don't look at me, my weather machine only causes rainbows.

@  Diecast : (21 April 2017 - 09:42 AM)

It's literally just that one gay guy with a weather machine that causes hurricanes though.

@  unluckiness : (21 April 2017 - 09:33 AM)

Well if a butterfly's wingbeats can...

@  wonko the sane? : (21 April 2017 - 09:25 AM)

I think it means gays cause hurricanes... what?

@  Paladin : (21 April 2017 - 09:23 AM)

yeah. think about it!

@  RichardT1977 : (21 April 2017 - 08:05 AM)

" And He left them, and went out of the city into Bethany; and He lodged there"?

@  unluckiness : (21 April 2017 - 07:55 AM)

And you remember Matthew 21:17

@  Pennpenn : (21 April 2017 - 05:53 AM)

Sacrelicious...


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#1 Master Fwiffo

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:50 AM

So, I took a stroll today down to Toys R Us and Target. Hey, they had Prime toys out!

Want to know what they had between the two stores?

15 BUMBLEBEES and Two Cliffjumpers.

And, BTW, they're sitting next to DotM Bumblebee's in both stores.

This is what is known as a 'bad start' to a toyline.

So I take a glance over at Robot Kingdom where there's some more distribution lists. In case you don't know what's coming.

http://robotkingdom....i...=91&lang=us

Wave 1:
3 Bumblebees, 2 Cliffjumper and Wheeljacks, 1 Soundwave

Wave 2:
3 MORE BUMBLEBEES (and 1 of Soundwave, Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Arcee and Ratchet).

Wow that's awful, I wonder what Wave 3-

ANOTHER GODDAMNED BUMBLEBEE, 2 Hot Shots (WHO IS A BUMBLEBEE REPAINT), 2 Knockouts, 1 Ratchet, Arcee and... 1 Vehicon.

So, just to be clear, in the first three waves, there are 7 BUMBLEBEES AND 2 BUMBLEBEE REPAINTS = with 3 Wheeljack/Cliffjumpers, and 2 of everything else. Except the Vehicon.

That's right, they shortpacked the first natural troop builder we've gotten years.


In short, WHAT THE HELL IS WITH HASBRO AND BUMBLEBEE? I know the theory is that Kids Want Bumblebee's, but I think DotM proved the Bumblebee craze is over - or at least lessoned. Does anything that's happened in the last couple of years justify 7 Bumblebees and 2 Bumblebee repaints (not to mention a Leader class coming later) in the first 3 waves? They're ALREADY shelfwarming!

So who here is dreading another year of straight Bumblebee's clogging shelves?

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:55 AM

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:55 AM

As I've said elsewhere, my TRU is already two full pegs of about 20 Prime Bumblebees, one peg of Legion Bumblebees. Next to DOTM Shelfwarmers.

And then Walmart had 4 Bumblebees, a Cliffjumper, and two Voyager Primes.

Yeah, it's gotten old already.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:55 AM

im buying takara mostly so mostly i dont care

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:57 AM

QUOTE(ShinRa Inc @ Mar 1 2012, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As I've said elsewhere, my TRU is already two full pegs of about 20 Prime Bumblebees, one peg of Legion Bumblebees. Next to DOTM Shelfwarmers.

And then Walmart had 4 Bumblebees, a Cliffjumper, and two Voyager Primes.

Yeah, it's gotten old already.


Who wants to take a bet on that we're not going to get any TF Prime toys past wave, say, 4? Maybe 5?

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 01:09 AM

QUOTE(Master Fwiffo @ Mar 2 2012, 12:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(ShinRa Inc @ Mar 1 2012, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As I've said elsewhere, my TRU is already two full pegs of about 20 Prime Bumblebees, one peg of Legion Bumblebees. Next to DOTM Shelfwarmers.

And then Walmart had 4 Bumblebees, a Cliffjumper, and two Voyager Primes.

Yeah, it's gotten old already.


Who wants to take a bet on that we're not going to get any TF Prime toys past wave, say, 4? Maybe 5?

Five waves is probably about right. At which time Prime Bumblebees will still be clogging the shelves. This discussion kind of already happened two weeks ago in regards to market oversaturation and stagnation. I think it was in the First Edition thread? Retailers consider Bumblebee and Prime to be the Superman/Batman/random current movie superhero and always want those two on the shelves in some form. It sucks. Hard.
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 01:34 AM

It's kind of amazing how hard it is to collect a robot cast the same size as Beast Wars' first season.
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 01:52 AM

This is the point where I break out that picture of all the Bumblebees I own icon-fire.gif

It's the same way over here. The stores started carrying Prime figures and guess what mute, yellow bot is clogging up the shelves already? Yes! It's the Bumblejerk himself.

You would think the retailers would have caught on by now... I mean, I'm sure they like selling their toys, right? So, if they determine case assortments, then why do they keep doing the same thing that left them with clogged shelves the last time?

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 01:56 AM

I'm with you, Fwiff. I actually overpaid for PRID Megatron when I was at TRU last week because I was so sick of finding nothing except Bumblebees (they had six on the shelves, meaning they sold through the entirety of two cases, EXCEPT for Bee).

Now that HTS has removed all PRID deluxe listings from their site - sans BB, of course - I'm pretty much done. I'm throwing in the towel. Not being able to buy the figures I want at retail is one thing but when I basically have no options online (at least no options that don't include buying one or more Bumblebees) then this hobby starts getting to the point of being too frustrating to put up with. Throw in all the canceled figures we've failed to get recently, an entire subline (movie trilogy) that's exclusive to a foreign market (necessitating higher prices if I want to get any of those figures), and rising personal expenses and I just can't be bothered anymore.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:07 AM

Remember back in the day when for a 7 year stretch there where exactly 4 BBs ever
Or the Beast-RiD era when there where no Batman/Superman type character

Im sick of BB not haveing a voice the jokes old already BB is not R2-D2


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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:26 AM

QUOTE(tec @ Mar 2 2012, 02:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Or the Beast-RiD era when there where no Batman/Superman type character
Seven Optimus Primal toys. Six Beast Wars Megatron toys. Six Cheetor toys. You were saying?

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:57 AM

yes but never over satration like with BB or Tuner Mudflap

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 03:40 AM

Yeah, because the line was nowhere near as successful then as it is now.


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Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:01 AM

Could Hasbro be doing this intentionally to accumulate public animosity toward Bee in order to justify his grusome termination some point down the road, as oppose to the public outrage triggered by the death of Optimus Prime back in 1986?

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:07 AM

I'm trying to figure out when the overBeeing started. Movie 1? Movie 2? I don't really remember it being bad at all with movie 1. Then with movie 2 we had something like this but with the twins.

Something's so out of whack.
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:44 AM

I'm having a hard time trying discern which of you are being sarcastic/snarky and which are being dead serious/ranting.

I'm throwing my lot in with this whole thread being ridiculous.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:15 AM

QUOTE(Megatoron @ Mar 2 2012, 04:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Could Hasbro be doing this intentionally to accumulate public animosity toward Bee in order to justify his grusome termination some point down the road, as oppose to the public outrage triggered by the death of Optimus Prime back in 1986?


Uh...probably not.

I love the idea of Hasbro intentionally making truckloads of toys that won't sell, just so people won't complain about something that would happen in a cartoon, though.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:34 AM

Not only don't retailers determine case assortments they ("they" = pretty much any brick & mortar operation) don't even do their (re)orders based on specific cases.

TRU/WalMart/Target etc. says we need more TFs: Prime dlxs./Avengers movie 3 3/4" figs./ G.I. Joe movie 2 Bravo class vehicles and so on and so forth and Hasbro sends whatever the fornicate they feel like.

They can pull off this little stunt b/c the big box retailers don't give 1/69th the thought into these toys that the collectors do.

The flipside of this coin is that the etailers make out like bandits b/c they sell specific figs and cases that Hasbro has to deliver.

EE sells me case "Y" of Hasbro's Star Wars Vintage collection figure and they (they = EE) have to deliver that specific case they advertise and in turn I ordered or they don't get my money. Hasbro has to deliver to the etailers exactly what the etailers order.

Hasbro can't just toss case after case of wave 1 of line "X" to the etailers b/c the etailers won't take them. WalMart/TRU/etc. they don't give an excrement.

I honestly don't know if, after all this time some of you who have been collectors and/or in the fandom for so many years, that you folks haven't picked up on this on purpose and think it's funny to make ignorant posts about how the sky is falling or if you are being willfully oblivious.

It's not some great conspiracy (over produce Bumblebee figs. so Hasbro can kill off the character? Are you serious?) Hasbro and the retailers/etailers are interested in only ONE thing. PROFIT!!!11one

Could Hasbro make even more money with better case ratios? Almost definetly. But it seems that everyone is satisfied with the status quo as far as the profit side of things are concerned that things don't look to be changing. At least in the near future. :-/

Perhaps all of the items that from various Hasbro lines that have either been cancelled or turned into Asian market/Canadian market/Ross and/or other discount store "exclusives" are the result of the mistakes that both Hasbro and the retailers have continually made over the last several years.


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Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:51 AM

I want a Bumblebee for my backyard like Michael Bay has.

And a backyard to put it in.

But beyond that, I'm good. I have Classics, Stealth Movie, Animated, Legends, Movie Legends (old version), and a knock-off of Classic Pretender from G1. I guess I could do with a Prime version, but that's just it: a Prime version...

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:55 AM

QUOTE(TSM-in-N.Y. @ Mar 2 2012, 07:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not only don't retailers determine case assortments they ("they" = pretty much any brick & mortar operation) don't even do their (re)orders based on specific cases.

TRU/WalMart/Target etc. says we need more TFs: Prime dlxs./Avengers movie 3 3/4" figs./ G.I. Joe movie 2 Bravo class vehicles and so on and so forth and Hasbro sends whatever the fornicate they feel like.

They can pull off this little stunt b/c the big box retailers don't give 1/69th the thought into these toys that the collectors do.

The flipside of this coin is that the etailers make out like bandits b/c they sell specific figs and cases that Hasbro has to deliver.

EE sells me case "Y" of Hasbro's Star Wars Vintage collection figure and they (they = EE) have to deliver that specific case they advertise and in turn I ordered or they don't get my money. Hasbro has to deliver to the etailers exactly what the etailers order.

Hasbro can't just toss case after case of wave 1 of line "X" to the etailers b/c the etailers won't take them. WalMart/TRU/etc. they don't give an excrement.

I honestly don't know if, after all this time some of you who have been collectors and/or in the fandom for so many years, that you folks haven't picked up on this on purpose and think it's funny to make ignorant posts about how the sky is falling or if you are being willfully oblivious.

It's not some great conspiracy (over produce Bumblebee figs. so Hasbro can kill off the character? Are you serious?) Hasbro and the retailers/etailers are interested in only ONE thing. PROFIT!!!11one

Could Hasbro make even more money with better case ratios? Almost definetly. But it seems that everyone is satisfied with the status quo as far as the profit side of things are concerned that things don't look to be changing. At least in the near future. :-/

Perhaps all of the items that from various Hasbro lines that have either been cancelled or turned into Asian market/Canadian market/Ross and/or other discount store "exclusives" are the result of the mistakes that both Hasbro and the retailers have continually made over the last several years.


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We're not talking on the brick and mortar level. We're talking on the corporate level. And yes, the corporate level buyers have a huge impact on which toys Hasbro makes.