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@  Locoman : (18 January 2018 - 03:43 PM)

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand brick and mortar.

@  siccoyote : (18 January 2018 - 04:31 AM)

Who sings the first part of the GIJoe The Movie theme song? (Cobra) Sounds so familiar.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 January 2018 - 10:46 PM)

Also true.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 January 2018 - 10:40 PM)

I hate brick and mortar stores around here.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 January 2018 - 10:38 PM)

But I like the feel of the brick and mortar search a bit more. And I can see inside packages at brick and mortar. True, Amazon has a good return policy, but I like buying once and settling.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 January 2018 - 10:37 PM)

I suppose I could save more if I bought more often from Amazon.

@  wonko the sane? : (17 January 2018 - 10:36 PM)

Closest I got to "free" was 30% off warpath, which just about lined him up to the canadian price had he ever shown up around me. The pile of loot saved me a pile, but it was still pricy.

@  Shrug : (17 January 2018 - 09:34 PM)

Yeah, I purposefully waited on them because I knew they'd be perfect "add onto orders to get free shipping" fodder. Already gotten two that way. Technically "free" and I barely had to wait.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 January 2018 - 09:21 PM)

That's how I feel about Prime Masters. Getting back into collecting last year taught me to be patient, which grants rewards most of the time.

@  Shrug : (17 January 2018 - 09:18 PM)

I want Starscream so hard after seeing him in person, but since he's the one being left behind by every other collector in my area, I feel like I can wait for a sale.

@  wonko the sane? : (17 January 2018 - 09:09 PM)

I mean: I maybe woulda jumped on starscream if I found a sale or something, but it wasn't a priority.

@  wonko the sane? : (17 January 2018 - 09:08 PM)

I only wanted the dinobots (cause... volcanicus.) but got saddled with three I didn't want due to the bundling. I'd still be waiting to order if I had waited on individual figures.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 January 2018 - 08:27 PM)

Ahh.. I just ordered the whole case cause I wanted too. :)

@  wonko the sane? : (17 January 2018 - 06:49 PM)

Mostly PotP dinobots. Plus some stuff I couldn't opt out of to get those dinobots. And CW warpath... cause he was on sale.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 January 2018 - 04:54 PM)

What ya getting?

@  wonko the sane? : (17 January 2018 - 04:38 PM)

Yay! My package from BBTS is in canada! I might even get it this week!

@  Benbot : (17 January 2018 - 02:04 PM)

I need a laptop more than a new desktop

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 January 2018 - 01:18 PM)

Buying a pre-built computer you should be okay.. It's just the individual parts that jumped huge in price.

@  Paladin : (17 January 2018 - 01:14 PM)

well all the idiots who invested in "bitcoin" will be selling theirs en masse to make ends meet so you might be able to find something cheap if you watch auctions.

@  Benbot : (17 January 2018 - 12:59 PM)

Is now a good time to buy a computer? Or should I wait?

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 January 2018 - 12:01 PM)

I pointed out that I'm on disabilty.. I don't have to pretend to be an adult anymore. ;D

@  MEDdMI : (17 January 2018 - 11:25 AM)

Also Bayonetta 3.

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 January 2018 - 10:55 AM)

Nintendo also announced Dark Souls for the Switch, so those people should shut up.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 January 2018 - 10:51 AM)

Apparently people are freaking out that Nintendo announced something for kids and kids at heart. And people are absolutely freaking out about it.

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 January 2018 - 10:23 AM)

...what?

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 January 2018 - 10:16 AM)

Why is something for kids and "kids at heart" so bad? :(

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (16 January 2018 - 09:05 PM)

I vote kidnap Reggie.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (16 January 2018 - 07:20 PM)

Just post it on the net.. Or maybe kidnapp Reggie and make them do a Nintendo Direct about it. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (16 January 2018 - 06:50 PM)

Rent a space and do a webcast?

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 January 2018 - 06:22 PM)

They could just do a panel at RI ComicCon or something.

@  abates : (16 January 2018 - 05:51 PM)

I wonder how they'll do the Hall of Fame this year without a convention to hold the award ceremony at.

@  B-Fox : (16 January 2018 - 01:33 PM)

metalhawk

@  Shrug : (16 January 2018 - 01:21 PM)

I love RotF Mixmaster, if that means anything.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (16 January 2018 - 12:42 PM)

Ehh.. when they get to complicated.. it gets annoying. PotP Optimus is decent. Rodimus pushes it just a little.

@  Locoman : (16 January 2018 - 12:32 PM)

Part of the appeal of Transformers for me has always been the mechanical puzzle angle, so I really enjoyed the ROTF/TF2010 line when that angle hit its zenith.

@  Locoman : (16 January 2018 - 12:31 PM)

I'm probably one of the few people who really enjoys complicated, fiddly transformations.

@  Steevy Maximus : (16 January 2018 - 12:14 PM)

Some were decent, but many suffered from that "collector mentality" where it just LOOKED good in both modes...but the engineering was complex merely for the sake of it.

@  Shrug : (16 January 2018 - 10:30 AM)

Huh. That's dissapointing. I had completely missed the Alternators and had just always assumed they were good based on how they looked in photos.

@  Pennpenn : (16 January 2018 - 03:34 AM)

I liked the Alternator Tracks mold. I think everyone agrees the Grimjack mold was just kinda shit even if you didn't care about it being Grimlock as a car.

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 January 2018 - 09:16 PM)

My local dept. store Shopko always seemed to get a few late run gems, like Blast Attack Optimus Primal and hard to find collection 2 Revenge of the Sith toys.

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 January 2018 - 09:15 PM)

Still wish I had snagged that extra Swerve I saw on clearance at Shopko, though

@  RichardT1977 : (15 January 2018 - 08:50 PM)

Smokescreen was the only Alternator I ever got.

@  Telly : (15 January 2018 - 07:24 PM)

i sold all my alternators last year

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 January 2018 - 05:27 PM)

Hound isn't bad, and, uh........

@  Paladin : (15 January 2018 - 05:23 PM)

there's only like 3 Alternator molds at most that still hold up...

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 January 2018 - 01:09 PM)

There were no shelfwarmer Altenators where I lived.. Cause no one ever got them in. x.x;

@  Bass X0 : (15 January 2018 - 12:57 PM)

I have Alternators Nemesis Prime since he was a shelf warmer here.

@  unluckiness : (15 January 2018 - 10:07 AM)

You wouldn't want to anyway

@  Chromedome113 : (15 January 2018 - 07:21 AM)

My first Prime was Alternators Optimus, I still can't transform him

@  Shrug : (14 January 2018 - 06:42 PM)

Ah. I'll try to remember that, but I keep forgetting "Gobots" the Autobot even existed.


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#1 Master Fwiffo

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:50 AM

So, I took a stroll today down to Toys R Us and Target. Hey, they had Prime toys out!

Want to know what they had between the two stores?

15 BUMBLEBEES and Two Cliffjumpers.

And, BTW, they're sitting next to DotM Bumblebee's in both stores.

This is what is known as a 'bad start' to a toyline.

So I take a glance over at Robot Kingdom where there's some more distribution lists. In case you don't know what's coming.

http://robotkingdom....i...=91&lang=us

Wave 1:
3 Bumblebees, 2 Cliffjumper and Wheeljacks, 1 Soundwave

Wave 2:
3 MORE BUMBLEBEES (and 1 of Soundwave, Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Arcee and Ratchet).

Wow that's awful, I wonder what Wave 3-

ANOTHER GODDAMNED BUMBLEBEE, 2 Hot Shots (WHO IS A BUMBLEBEE REPAINT), 2 Knockouts, 1 Ratchet, Arcee and... 1 Vehicon.

So, just to be clear, in the first three waves, there are 7 BUMBLEBEES AND 2 BUMBLEBEE REPAINTS = with 3 Wheeljack/Cliffjumpers, and 2 of everything else. Except the Vehicon.

That's right, they shortpacked the first natural troop builder we've gotten years.


In short, WHAT THE HELL IS WITH HASBRO AND BUMBLEBEE? I know the theory is that Kids Want Bumblebee's, but I think DotM proved the Bumblebee craze is over - or at least lessoned. Does anything that's happened in the last couple of years justify 7 Bumblebees and 2 Bumblebee repaints (not to mention a Leader class coming later) in the first 3 waves? They're ALREADY shelfwarming!

So who here is dreading another year of straight Bumblebee's clogging shelves?

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:55 AM

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:55 AM

As I've said elsewhere, my TRU is already two full pegs of about 20 Prime Bumblebees, one peg of Legion Bumblebees. Next to DOTM Shelfwarmers.

And then Walmart had 4 Bumblebees, a Cliffjumper, and two Voyager Primes.

Yeah, it's gotten old already.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:55 AM

im buying takara mostly so mostly i dont care

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:57 AM

QUOTE(ShinRa Inc @ Mar 1 2012, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As I've said elsewhere, my TRU is already two full pegs of about 20 Prime Bumblebees, one peg of Legion Bumblebees. Next to DOTM Shelfwarmers.

And then Walmart had 4 Bumblebees, a Cliffjumper, and two Voyager Primes.

Yeah, it's gotten old already.


Who wants to take a bet on that we're not going to get any TF Prime toys past wave, say, 4? Maybe 5?

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 01:09 AM

QUOTE(Master Fwiffo @ Mar 2 2012, 12:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(ShinRa Inc @ Mar 1 2012, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As I've said elsewhere, my TRU is already two full pegs of about 20 Prime Bumblebees, one peg of Legion Bumblebees. Next to DOTM Shelfwarmers.

And then Walmart had 4 Bumblebees, a Cliffjumper, and two Voyager Primes.

Yeah, it's gotten old already.


Who wants to take a bet on that we're not going to get any TF Prime toys past wave, say, 4? Maybe 5?

Five waves is probably about right. At which time Prime Bumblebees will still be clogging the shelves. This discussion kind of already happened two weeks ago in regards to market oversaturation and stagnation. I think it was in the First Edition thread? Retailers consider Bumblebee and Prime to be the Superman/Batman/random current movie superhero and always want those two on the shelves in some form. It sucks. Hard.
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 01:34 AM

It's kind of amazing how hard it is to collect a robot cast the same size as Beast Wars' first season.
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 01:52 AM

This is the point where I break out that picture of all the Bumblebees I own icon-fire.gif

It's the same way over here. The stores started carrying Prime figures and guess what mute, yellow bot is clogging up the shelves already? Yes! It's the Bumblejerk himself.

You would think the retailers would have caught on by now... I mean, I'm sure they like selling their toys, right? So, if they determine case assortments, then why do they keep doing the same thing that left them with clogged shelves the last time?

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 01:56 AM

I'm with you, Fwiff. I actually overpaid for PRID Megatron when I was at TRU last week because I was so sick of finding nothing except Bumblebees (they had six on the shelves, meaning they sold through the entirety of two cases, EXCEPT for Bee).

Now that HTS has removed all PRID deluxe listings from their site - sans BB, of course - I'm pretty much done. I'm throwing in the towel. Not being able to buy the figures I want at retail is one thing but when I basically have no options online (at least no options that don't include buying one or more Bumblebees) then this hobby starts getting to the point of being too frustrating to put up with. Throw in all the canceled figures we've failed to get recently, an entire subline (movie trilogy) that's exclusive to a foreign market (necessitating higher prices if I want to get any of those figures), and rising personal expenses and I just can't be bothered anymore.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:07 AM

Remember back in the day when for a 7 year stretch there where exactly 4 BBs ever
Or the Beast-RiD era when there where no Batman/Superman type character

Im sick of BB not haveing a voice the jokes old already BB is not R2-D2


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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:26 AM

QUOTE(tec @ Mar 2 2012, 02:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Or the Beast-RiD era when there where no Batman/Superman type character
Seven Optimus Primal toys. Six Beast Wars Megatron toys. Six Cheetor toys. You were saying?

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:57 AM

yes but never over satration like with BB or Tuner Mudflap

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 03:40 AM

Yeah, because the line was nowhere near as successful then as it is now.


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Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:01 AM

Could Hasbro be doing this intentionally to accumulate public animosity toward Bee in order to justify his grusome termination some point down the road, as oppose to the public outrage triggered by the death of Optimus Prime back in 1986?

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:07 AM

I'm trying to figure out when the overBeeing started. Movie 1? Movie 2? I don't really remember it being bad at all with movie 1. Then with movie 2 we had something like this but with the twins.

Something's so out of whack.
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:44 AM

I'm having a hard time trying discern which of you are being sarcastic/snarky and which are being dead serious/ranting.

I'm throwing my lot in with this whole thread being ridiculous.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:15 AM

QUOTE(Megatoron @ Mar 2 2012, 04:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Could Hasbro be doing this intentionally to accumulate public animosity toward Bee in order to justify his grusome termination some point down the road, as oppose to the public outrage triggered by the death of Optimus Prime back in 1986?


Uh...probably not.

I love the idea of Hasbro intentionally making truckloads of toys that won't sell, just so people won't complain about something that would happen in a cartoon, though.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:34 AM

Not only don't retailers determine case assortments they ("they" = pretty much any brick & mortar operation) don't even do their (re)orders based on specific cases.

TRU/WalMart/Target etc. says we need more TFs: Prime dlxs./Avengers movie 3 3/4" figs./ G.I. Joe movie 2 Bravo class vehicles and so on and so forth and Hasbro sends whatever the fornicate they feel like.

They can pull off this little stunt b/c the big box retailers don't give 1/69th the thought into these toys that the collectors do.

The flipside of this coin is that the etailers make out like bandits b/c they sell specific figs and cases that Hasbro has to deliver.

EE sells me case "Y" of Hasbro's Star Wars Vintage collection figure and they (they = EE) have to deliver that specific case they advertise and in turn I ordered or they don't get my money. Hasbro has to deliver to the etailers exactly what the etailers order.

Hasbro can't just toss case after case of wave 1 of line "X" to the etailers b/c the etailers won't take them. WalMart/TRU/etc. they don't give an excrement.

I honestly don't know if, after all this time some of you who have been collectors and/or in the fandom for so many years, that you folks haven't picked up on this on purpose and think it's funny to make ignorant posts about how the sky is falling or if you are being willfully oblivious.

It's not some great conspiracy (over produce Bumblebee figs. so Hasbro can kill off the character? Are you serious?) Hasbro and the retailers/etailers are interested in only ONE thing. PROFIT!!!11one

Could Hasbro make even more money with better case ratios? Almost definetly. But it seems that everyone is satisfied with the status quo as far as the profit side of things are concerned that things don't look to be changing. At least in the near future. :-/

Perhaps all of the items that from various Hasbro lines that have either been cancelled or turned into Asian market/Canadian market/Ross and/or other discount store "exclusives" are the result of the mistakes that both Hasbro and the retailers have continually made over the last several years.


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Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:51 AM

I want a Bumblebee for my backyard like Michael Bay has.

And a backyard to put it in.

But beyond that, I'm good. I have Classics, Stealth Movie, Animated, Legends, Movie Legends (old version), and a knock-off of Classic Pretender from G1. I guess I could do with a Prime version, but that's just it: a Prime version...

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:55 AM

QUOTE(TSM-in-N.Y. @ Mar 2 2012, 07:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not only don't retailers determine case assortments they ("they" = pretty much any brick & mortar operation) don't even do their (re)orders based on specific cases.

TRU/WalMart/Target etc. says we need more TFs: Prime dlxs./Avengers movie 3 3/4" figs./ G.I. Joe movie 2 Bravo class vehicles and so on and so forth and Hasbro sends whatever the fornicate they feel like.

They can pull off this little stunt b/c the big box retailers don't give 1/69th the thought into these toys that the collectors do.

The flipside of this coin is that the etailers make out like bandits b/c they sell specific figs and cases that Hasbro has to deliver.

EE sells me case "Y" of Hasbro's Star Wars Vintage collection figure and they (they = EE) have to deliver that specific case they advertise and in turn I ordered or they don't get my money. Hasbro has to deliver to the etailers exactly what the etailers order.

Hasbro can't just toss case after case of wave 1 of line "X" to the etailers b/c the etailers won't take them. WalMart/TRU/etc. they don't give an excrement.

I honestly don't know if, after all this time some of you who have been collectors and/or in the fandom for so many years, that you folks haven't picked up on this on purpose and think it's funny to make ignorant posts about how the sky is falling or if you are being willfully oblivious.

It's not some great conspiracy (over produce Bumblebee figs. so Hasbro can kill off the character? Are you serious?) Hasbro and the retailers/etailers are interested in only ONE thing. PROFIT!!!11one

Could Hasbro make even more money with better case ratios? Almost definetly. But it seems that everyone is satisfied with the status quo as far as the profit side of things are concerned that things don't look to be changing. At least in the near future. :-/

Perhaps all of the items that from various Hasbro lines that have either been cancelled or turned into Asian market/Canadian market/Ross and/or other discount store "exclusives" are the result of the mistakes that both Hasbro and the retailers have continually made over the last several years.


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We're not talking on the brick and mortar level. We're talking on the corporate level. And yes, the corporate level buyers have a huge impact on which toys Hasbro makes.