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@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 February 2018 - 10:49 AM)

Or a human would freeze to death if dumped out into the vacuum of outer space.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 February 2018 - 10:46 AM)

Or the left hemisphere of the brain is exclusively responsible for logic while the right is responsible for creativity.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 February 2018 - 10:45 AM)

@Pennpenn Haha, like human blood is blue without oxygen?

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 February 2018 - 10:30 AM)

That's a pretty crappy gift.

@  Robowang : (22 February 2018 - 09:45 AM)

The magic butthole fairy brought me a turd

@  Pennpenn : (22 February 2018 - 07:28 AM)

Ah, the only "science fact" I dislike more than "humans only use 10% of the brain".

@  Foffy : (22 February 2018 - 01:39 AM)

According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way that a bee should be able to fly. Its wings are too small to get its fat little body off the ground. The bee, of course, flies anyway, because bees don't care what humans think is impossible

@  wonko the sane? : (21 February 2018 - 10:22 PM)

Nothing wrong a good B movie now and then. What's bothering me is that the search on seems to work based on titles.

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 February 2018 - 09:50 PM)

Not quite as bad as FilmRise's lineup, though

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 February 2018 - 09:50 PM)

Crackle is full of a lot of low budget B movies, too

@  wonko the sane? : (21 February 2018 - 09:47 PM)

urg. Sounds as bad as broadcast TV.

@  Shrug : (21 February 2018 - 08:24 PM)

Completely free. Has commercials inserted in awkward moments. IIRC they tend to slot some in right before the credits. So, show ends. Buffers. Commercials. Buffers. Credits. Buffers. Intro to next show. Buffers. Commercials. Buffers.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 February 2018 - 07:50 PM)

crackle is actually free too? I was oddly leary of that one for some reason, but couldn't find any proof it was pay.

@  Steevy Maximus : (21 February 2018 - 07:38 PM)

They ARE an official content licensor, not "one of those other free sites"

@  Steevy Maximus : (21 February 2018 - 07:37 PM)

One of several free VOD sites/apps that are ad supported. I think Tubi is Paramount. Similar to Crackle, which is owned by Sony

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (21 February 2018 - 06:51 PM)

what is Tubi tv?

@  wonko the sane? : (21 February 2018 - 06:01 PM)

And there's an android app! Sweet!

@  wonko the sane? : (21 February 2018 - 05:57 PM)

oohhh, thanks for the heads up. Seems like lots of decent stuff on there too. Bookmarked.

@  Steevy Maximus : (21 February 2018 - 05:07 PM)

So, I guess Tubi TV got some deal with Hasbro. They got the entire Transformers saga through Animated...minus Beast Wars for some reason.

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 February 2018 - 05:06 PM)

To be fair, if the TF Wiki split a new character page every time a story diverged from previous material, it would spiral ludicrously out of control.

@  ZakuConvoy : (21 February 2018 - 05:01 PM)

It's not a 1 to 1 situation, but it's the closest I can really come up with on the spot. Transformers is kind of different that way.

@  ZakuConvoy : (21 February 2018 - 04:59 PM)

No, but they do put the (trigger warning) pre-Mephisto Spider-Man in with the current Spider-Man. Not to mention Miles Morales's whole deal.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 February 2018 - 04:49 PM)

I mostly meant how Marvel wiki doesn't put say, '80s cartoon Spider-Man as a sub-page of 616 Spider-Man.

@  Shrug : (21 February 2018 - 04:48 PM)

I guess I don't talk to enough Marvel fans.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 February 2018 - 04:47 PM)

Those are still events pertaining to a specific Superman. Not really comparable to how all the G1 Scorponoks are on the same page despite having very different traits and origins, with no retcons attempting to reconcile them.

@  ZakuConvoy : (21 February 2018 - 04:45 PM)

Well, that's kind of what happens with DC comics characters, too. Stories that happened to Pre-Flashpoint Superman, like Doomsday, are still treated like they happened to the current Superman, even if that causes continuity problems, for example.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 February 2018 - 04:42 PM)

If Marvel characters were treated like TF, then a bunch of cartoon and video game versions would be lumped with their main universe counterparts because of similar designs.

@  Shrug : (21 February 2018 - 04:39 PM)

I'd say we treat TF like comic book fans treat Marvel/DC characters. Hasbro doesn't though.

@  ZakuConvoy : (21 February 2018 - 04:36 PM)

I think the closest comparison with how we treat TF characters, that I can think of, is DC comic characters. Sort of.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 February 2018 - 02:47 PM)

There's been a few statements from Hasbro people suggesting that they don't make that kind of distinction between G1 and otherwise as far as characters go. Like whatever somebody said about Magnus Prime's identity.

@  Bass X0 : (21 February 2018 - 02:45 PM)

The IDW comics are the old characters in a new continuity, even if sometimes they don't act the same as they used to. War For Cybertron could have been the G1 characters in a new continuity but Hasbro said no. Whereas the Devastation game is the G1 characters in a new continuity.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 February 2018 - 11:10 AM)

I think it's worth keeping in mind that the TF fandom's definition of same character isn't really used elsewhere.

@  Boomhauer : (21 February 2018 - 11:09 AM)

For what it's worth, the character blurb bios in that one kid's book matched the ones in Aligned, but that could just be a matter of "Hasbro isn't going to let a expensive 600 page story bible go to waste so it keeps being referenced" instead of proof it's an Aligned story.

@  Gryllid : (21 February 2018 - 08:57 AM)

But like, if we say "G1 Soundwave", are the cartoon, comic, and toy bio really all the same character in a way that Aligned Soundwave isn't?

@  Gryllid : (21 February 2018 - 08:57 AM)

I'm not even sure how we'd tell the difference between "G1 characters in a new continuity" and "new characters who look like the G1 characters". Maybe it's sort of a philosophical thing.

@  Nevermore : (21 February 2018 - 04:54 AM)

If you ask Hasbro, Cyberverse is about the Transformers characters.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 February 2018 - 10:09 PM)

We don't really know yet. It could be an amalgamation of things.

@  RichardT1977 : (20 February 2018 - 09:49 PM)

Or is Cyberverse a continuation of Prime/RiD?

@  Plokatron : (20 February 2018 - 07:49 PM)

@RichardT1977 Hahahaha I love this place. My references are gotten here as Scott said "I have found my clan." Yes I did indeed bring the Purple Morphilogical Being into this. Sheesh I just realized he shares the color as a Con!

@  RichardT1977 : (20 February 2018 - 05:04 PM)

@Plokatron did you just drag Ivan Ooze into this?

@  Plokatron : (20 February 2018 - 04:33 PM)

@RichardT1977 Touch me again and you'll be chicken wings in the morning. All I have to say about that. :D

@  Steevy Maximus : (20 February 2018 - 04:17 PM)

It's that one!

@  Bass X0 : (20 February 2018 - 04:01 PM)

Is Cyberverse the original G1 characters in a new continuity or completely new characters in a completely new continuity who happen to look similar to G1 characters but aren't them?

@  RichardT1977 : (20 February 2018 - 02:26 PM)

"Mr. Meeseeks, I want you to kill SCP-682--WITHOUT harming any humans."

@  RichardT1977 : (20 February 2018 - 02:25 PM)

If you're familiar with the relevant works, I've come up with one of the cruelest acts one could ever conceive:

@  Plokatron : (20 February 2018 - 12:05 PM)

As I said sorry. Won't happen again.

@  2018 : (20 February 2018 - 06:03 AM)

Yeah this isn't the place for your big blocks of texts, make a thread?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 February 2018 - 04:54 AM)

They're worse than mutiposts in threads due to the lack of paragraph breaks.

@  Plokatron : (20 February 2018 - 02:33 AM)

Side note in a way it was a good thing I never had the first Millennium Falcon seeing as no matter what it would eventually break. Curse you GPS. Also forgive me I do hope multiposts in shout aren't as frowned on as double posts in threads. If they are this is my vow I'll not let it happen again from my end.

@  Plokatron : (20 February 2018 - 02:31 AM)

By the way getting ready to make my first Preorder ever with BBTS for the Millennium Falcon Transformer in honor of my mother who tried to get me the first one but they sold out before she could. Plus other things happed so I'm helping her keep a promise to me. Also getting Masterpiece Cy-Kill and a model of Thunderbird 2. So glad Preorders don't charge you full till delivery.


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#121 NotVeryKnightly

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 05:47 PM

For me, Soundwave as an SUV isn't that bad. But the head on that design needs to be more Decepticon symbol-looking and less "generic dude with head crest and visor". Also, the biggest problem, honestly, is that the toy doesn't exist.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 09:44 PM

I like the idea of Soundwave as an aerial vehicle, honestly. Mostly because the notion of his cassettes as missiles or bombs being air-dropped into battles is very visually appealing in my mind's eye. And it's a plausible way for him to have multiple minions handy at once.

An alternative way would be to go the Machine Wars route and make him a missile tank.

I basically just don't want another car or SUV.

Edited by Spark, 06 March 2012 - 09:47 PM.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 10:07 PM

Is making him an mp3 player with SD cards that turn into his minions that jivey of an idea? I mean, is it?

Stealth drone Soundwave is still cool, (as is Laserbeak) don't get me wrong, but outside of his voice; capitalizing on his "minicons" is what made the original Soundwave great. I want a toy that exploits that.
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Posted 06 March 2012 - 10:13 PM

Me too. Like I said, it's one of Soundwave's defining characteristics that Hasbro never seems to understand.

As for the MP3/SD Card idea, the MP3 player idea is fine, but the SD Cards are just waaaaay too thin from which to produce even a remotely good robot/beast mode. The CD changer things from Bandai years ago sort of proved that. Everything ended up looking like featureless origami critters.
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Posted 06 March 2012 - 10:19 PM

Soundwave having a bunch of deployers inside him strikes me as... idk, limiting the character. The Prime version is the one that has perfectly encapsulated his role and taken his characterization as the enigmatic surveillance master. They managed to make Laserbeak work, but giving him a tiny armada of jive talking colorful pets sounds like focusing on Soundwave more as a gimmick than a character.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 10:21 PM

Soundwave IS a gimmick. That and his (also gimmick) voice are what made him cool in the first place in the '80s.

Prime Soundwave is okay, but honestly he feels more like, I don't know, G2 Skyjack than G1 Soundwave. Hell, he's already got the head.

Edited by Spark, 06 March 2012 - 10:22 PM.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 10:22 PM

Right, and I agree. They don't need to be actual SD sized SD cards, though. Making them thicker than actual cards should be allowed, after all, it is a toy and would definitely be out of scale with everybody else, anyways.

Maybe Soundwave should be like a Nintendo DS, and the games would be his 'lil dudes. Fictionally, they could hook up to anything they wanted and record whatever they want, after all, Ravage was definitely flying into places he probably shouldn't have been flying in to as a cassette. Depending how you want to take it, the idea should be able to translate better than it has.

Not that new Soundwaves have been bad! They haven't, but something a little more on the nose would be nice.
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Posted 06 March 2012 - 10:24 PM

QUOTE(Spark @ Mar 6 2012, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Soundwave IS a gimmick. That and his (also gimmick) voice are what made him cool in the first place in the '80s.

Prime Soundwave is okay, but honestly he feels more like, I don't know, G2 Skyjack than G1 Soundwave. Hell, he's already got the head.


I think I'm the only one that doesn't find Prime Soundwave the least bit interesting. He might as well be another Eradicon.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 11:14 PM

QUOTE(Database @ Mar 6 2012, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think I'm the only one that doesn't find Prime Soundwave the least bit interesting. He might as well be another Eradicon.


Well, the Vehicons and Eradicons are starting to talk now, so iunno about that.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 03:47 PM

SD card Transformers would end up like this: http://tfwiki.net/wi...e:STFRavage.jpg

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 04:01 PM

QUOTE(Spark @ Mar 7 2012, 03:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Soundwave IS a gimmick. That and his (also gimmick) voice are what made him cool in the first place in the '80s.

Prime Soundwave is okay, but honestly he feels more like, I don't know, G2 Skyjack than G1 Soundwave. Hell, he's already got the head.


Well, then, to be Soundwave, I don't think he should BE Soundwave. This is the first version that feels like the Decepticon version information agent.

G1 Soundwave isn't a character. He's a toy.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 04:03 PM

QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Mar 6 2012, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe Soundwave should be like a Nintendo DS, and the games would be his 'lil dudes.

Still too small. Try GBA.

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Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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Posted 07 March 2012 - 04:05 PM

QUOTE(Razorsaw @ Mar 7 2012, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Spark @ Mar 7 2012, 03:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Soundwave IS a gimmick. That and his (also gimmick) voice are what made him cool in the first place in the '80s.

Prime Soundwave is okay, but honestly he feels more like, I don't know, G2 Skyjack than G1 Soundwave. Hell, he's already got the head.


Well, then, to be Soundwave, I don't think he should BE Soundwave. This is the first version that feels like the Decepticon version information agent.

G1 Soundwave isn't a character. He's a toy.


And Prime Soundwave isn't a character either. He's a cypher at worst and a parrot at best.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 04:13 PM

As opposed to a yes-man. Did cartoon Soundwave ever say anything important that didn't involve ejecting so-and-so for operation:whatever?
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Posted 07 March 2012 - 04:16 PM

No, G1 Soundwave was the parrot (through aid of his minions).

Prime Soundwave, without saying a word of his own, actually manages to convey(very creepily might I add) the secondary notion that to him, information is power, with the way he carefully selects sound-bytes in order to manipulate any given situation.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 04:21 PM

I'll definitely say that Prime Soundwave is a very different character from previous Soundwaves. But again, if we're talking about upgrades here and taking Prime Soundwave as such, he's a poor upgrade of G1 Soundwave. Taking him on his own and having no previous toy incarnation, then by default he's not an upgrade failure.
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Posted 07 March 2012 - 06:25 PM

QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Mar 7 2012, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Mar 6 2012, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe Soundwave should be like a Nintendo DS, and the games would be his 'lil dudes.

Still too small. Try GBA.

Or the Device Label Blaster route as some form of USB hub, with thumbdrive minions ala DL Ravage.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 06:59 PM

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I think I'm the only one that doesn't find Prime Soundwave the least bit interesting. He might as well be another Eradicon.


I actually don't really care for Prime Soundwave, character-wise. Design-wise, sort of interesting, not really Soundwavey enough to me, but I got the toy because of the great suggestions of him as BM Jetstorm.
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Posted 07 March 2012 - 07:27 PM

Classics car Soundwave's chest seems too wide.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 08:04 PM

Well, G1 Soundwave's chest was pretty wide too. But he also had wide hips, so the chest might not stand out that much.