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@  Telly : (21 January 2017 - 02:26 AM)

usually about halfway through, when all hope seems lost

@  Copper Bezel : (21 January 2017 - 02:01 AM)

I understand using Eva to fight monsters, but where does Bob come into it?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (21 January 2017 - 01:29 AM)

Of course we'll need Bob EVAs to fight all these critters...

@  PlutoniumBoss : (21 January 2017 - 01:21 AM)

Or Otachipotle.

@  RichardT1977 : (20 January 2017 - 11:03 PM)

Sorry Waspinator, but Sean Bean already reserved that one.

@  Pennpenn : (20 January 2017 - 09:51 PM)

Isn't the answer "Pepperoni and Cheese"?

@  Waspinator : (20 January 2017 - 09:12 PM)

"Oh no, not again."

@  The Doctor Who : (20 January 2017 - 08:54 PM)

What do you want on your Tombstone?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (20 January 2017 - 08:52 PM)

I summon Mothrally's to champion the cause of a new/old line of discussion!

@  Pennpenn : (20 January 2017 - 07:24 PM)

Fair enough, sorry. Although, I think as more people get upset you're going to see it leaking out more.

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 January 2017 - 06:25 PM)

Can the politics stay in P&R? I don't really need an emetic that badly.

@  Pennpenn : (20 January 2017 - 05:37 PM)

All of Trump's base are stone cold morons, so there's that. Then again, a lot of people would argue that America has nevr been "great", or even when it is there's plenty to bring down it's score.

@  Vexwing : (20 January 2017 - 04:18 PM)

A lot of Trump's base would probably claim it stopped being great 8 years ago.

@  Locoman : (20 January 2017 - 03:44 PM)

And today is National Cheese Lover's Day, apparently, so perhaps we should make America grate again while we're at it

@  Bass X0 : (20 January 2017 - 03:43 PM)

How long has it not been great for?

@  Nevermore : (20 January 2017 - 02:34 PM)

Finally, America is great again.

@  wonko the sane? : (20 January 2017 - 12:03 PM)

Me too!

@  Arazyr : (20 January 2017 - 10:08 AM)

My daughters and I have been looking forward to that!

@  Benbot : (20 January 2017 - 09:44 AM)

Nevermind that. Today is a day to celebrate, because season 2 of Voltron is up on Netflix!

@  ShadowMan024 : (19 January 2017 - 06:51 PM)

Past 8 years? Try "past 241."

@  Xellos : (19 January 2017 - 06:44 PM)

So basically the same as the past 8 years. Guess that works too.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 January 2017 - 06:25 PM)

We as a nation either drank too much or not enough. It's difficult to say, really.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (19 January 2017 - 06:10 PM)

Isn't America being crazy drunk how we got in this situation in the first place?

@  BlackMax : (19 January 2017 - 04:18 PM)

I plan on being very American about every single injustice our new leader perpetrates ("American" of course meaning "annoyed and loud").

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 January 2017 - 02:38 PM)

I plan to just stick my fingers in my ears and pretend I don't hear anything.

@  Bass X0 : (19 January 2017 - 02:26 PM)

I recommend America just get crazy drunk for the next four years. It's the only way you're going to get through them.

@  Paladin : (19 January 2017 - 08:34 AM)

everyone go vote for Guilermo Del Toro. We need a Hellboy 3 now more than ever. https://www.bleeding...nt-hellboy-iii/

@  BlackMax : (18 January 2017 - 10:49 PM)

Shrapnel is a Lucanus Elaphus.

@  ShadowMan024 : (18 January 2017 - 08:42 PM)

Nah, Taco Bell is more like Hedorah.

@  TriBlurr : (18 January 2017 - 08:28 PM)

Taco Mutos

@  ShadowMan024 : (18 January 2017 - 08:27 PM)

YAHMMMAAHOAAHOAAAUGH!

@  Locoman : (18 January 2017 - 08:22 PM)

HE LUNCH MENU COVER UP A BASIC INSECURITY

@  ShadowMan024 : (18 January 2017 - 08:22 PM)

IT'S THE MEATS FROM A PAIL

@  ShadowMan024 : (18 January 2017 - 08:21 PM)

HE JOCK IT MADE OF STEEL

@  Patchouli Kn... : (18 January 2017 - 08:20 PM)

What about Jet Jaguarby's?

@  ShadowMan024 : (18 January 2017 - 08:15 PM)

WENDERA IS REALLY NEAT, WENDERA SAYS WHERE'S THE BEEF, WE ALL EAT AT WENDERAAAAA'S!

@  Echowarrior : (18 January 2017 - 08:15 PM)

No love for Wendera, friend to all children?

@  BlackMax : (18 January 2017 - 07:57 PM)

In the Japanese release, McDonaldzilla wins.

@  TriBlurr : (18 January 2017 - 06:34 PM)

Burger King Kong is better anyway

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 January 2017 - 06:21 PM)

No way, man, I have standards.

@  RichardT1977 : (18 January 2017 - 04:12 PM)

Or do a crossover where you team up with McDonaldzilla.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 January 2017 - 04:10 PM)

Take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

@  BlackMax : (18 January 2017 - 04:10 PM)

That's why we're going to bomb the Breach.

@  Locoman : (18 January 2017 - 03:58 PM)

In the beginning new Subways were only built every twelve months. Then six, then three. Then every two weeks. In four days we could be seeing a new Subway every eight hours until they are coming every four minutes.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 January 2017 - 03:44 PM)

One bite is all it takes.

@  Locoman : (18 January 2017 - 03:44 PM)

I'm a little worried by how many Subways there are in my vincinity. Like, there are two within walking distance of my house, and I pass about four of them on my way to work

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 January 2017 - 03:41 PM)

I'd almost rather eat the corpse, but then again, it's probably been eating Subway too, with my luck.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 January 2017 - 02:33 PM)

I've found that subway's food tends to be...

@  Benbot : (18 January 2017 - 02:13 PM)

well that was disturbing

@  Robowang : (18 January 2017 - 09:21 AM)

Nice!


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#21 Confuzor

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:16 AM

Energon Grimlock! Sigh.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:17 AM

Universe/Classics Octane is a fairly big failure in all modes. Much like Galvatron, it just needed to be bigger for the design to work properly. I don't think it's a case of the triple changer gimmick getting in the way, as Astrotrain doesn't really bother me as a deluxe.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:26 AM

Classics Pretenders -- Simplified, bad alt modes, small, Bumblebee has Cliffjumper's head.

PM Optimus Prime is arguably worse than the original -- no die-cast (originally), 'bubbly' looking cab robot with less 'sharp' detail, weird unnecessary 'backwards' cab transformation, weird arms-in-the-air base, trailer lacks cohesiveness. But... it did combine, so depending on how much you value that mode, it may not be 'worse' overall.

A lot of the new mold Robot Masters. I don't own any, but judging by what I've seen online, a lot of these were downgrades from the original toys, especially the Beast Wars ones. Convoy is awful too. The seeker mold was an improvement, but still not great.

All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions...

Transmetal 2 Cheetor and Transmetal 2 Dinobot.

At the time, I thought TM Optimus Primal and TM Megatron were downgrades, as they were smaller and barely resembled their previous selves. Eventually, I came to appreciate them icon-hotrod.gif

Cybertron Unicron. Hard to one-up a toy that is 90% homage to a fan favorite character with a toy that takes a lot more liberties and is a lot smaller.

Energon Hotshot. Yuck.

All the G2 "Classics" Go-Bots.

G2 Power Master Ironhide. So very bad....

ROTF Voyager Starscream. An ugly mess--ugly tattoos, ugly arms, ugly everything. I'll take the first Voyager Starscream over this piece of crap any day...

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:38 AM

My only gripe about PMOP is his legs and feet theres simply alot of wasted plastic there for some great details to be added even if it was only stickers used.. and the weak trailer hitch
TM2 Cheetor I give you but TM2 Dinobot is a really nice sculpt

Energon Hotshot is yuck
But Cyb one and the red recolor are pure win lest we not forget the over powered CDF Hotshot

G2 Power Master Ironhide----I have no idea who that is

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:47 AM

QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Feb 25 2012, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions...


I'd call Supreme Air Attack Optimus Primal an upgrade. Ain't no other Optimus Primal tells me where the seeds of the future are to be found laying. (Although I do know this toy was only released in RiD, not Beast Machines proper.) I also think Night Attack Cheetor is a BIG improvement over not just his Beast Machines toys but ALL his Beast Wars toys too.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:48 AM

BM Blackarachnia is a much better toy than the TM2. At least she can actually stand up under her own power without having to fiddle with balancing her backpack for half an hour.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:01 PM

QUOTE(tec @ Feb 25 2012, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
G2 Power Master Ironhide----I have no idea who that is

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 03:00 PM

HA Icepick isn't very good compared to his PCC counterpart.

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Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:01 PM

QUOTE(Dante @ Feb 25 2012, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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I fail to see how RtS Tracks isn't an upgrade of the original

Well, sure. But it's perhaps no better than the Binaltech version, and arguably worse.


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Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:12 PM

QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Feb 25 2012, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions...


Maybe Blackarachnia.

Edited by mignash, 25 February 2012 - 06:13 PM.


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Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:26 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Feb 25 2012, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Feb 25 2012, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions...


Maybe Blackarachnia.

Except for her giant water-ski feet!



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#32 Fear or Courage

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 07:12 PM

Too soon to say PRID Prime versus F.E Prime?

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 07:42 PM

QUOTE(Fear or Courage @ Feb 25 2012, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Too soon to say PRID Prime versus F.E Prime?

Or PRID Bumblebee compared to FE Bumblebee?

Going back to G1, what about Goldbug? The original Bumblebee was better.

Transmetal II Cheetor wasn't nearly as good as Transmetal Cheetor.

I would also say that Optimus Primal got progressively worse for several toys in a row; Ultra, Transmetal, Optimal, BM Deluxe.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:51 AM

QUOTE(NovaSaber @ Feb 25 2012, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Going back to G1, what about Goldbug? The original Bumblebee was better.


I'd call it a lateral move. The original Bumblebee has some serious problems -- especially with being delicate and not standing up to play wear very well. Bumblebees with heads that won't stay up are a very common problem. Goldbug definitely has a less engaging transformation -- but he's WAY more robust and his extra gimmick is SERIOUS fun. I played with Goldbug *WAY* more than with Bumblebee when I was a kid.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:57 AM

QUOTE(Boltax @ Feb 26 2012, 05:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I played with Goldbug *WAY* more than with Bumblebee when I was a kid.

I played with Bumblebee more, because while you could take Goldbug's car-trunk-hoodie off for battle damage, you could easily take off Bumblebee's feet and legs.

Battle damage potential was a big deal to me when I was a kid.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 01:21 AM

I like the G1 vehicle modes better for most CHUGs, etc. I much prefer toys that are a pretty good match for actual vehicles rather than lawyer-safe, made-up vehicles (even though I understand the need for them). I like classic vehicles better than modern ones for the most part, anyway. You'd never see me buying the new Fairlady Z.

Plus there are characters who had their very own mold in G1/G2 but are just a repaint/remold in the modern era (even if the newer toy has better engineering). I understand the need for this as well, but I'm not going to start selling off my G1 collection after getting each "upgrade".

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Universe 2.0 Prowl.

The Legends version kicks the crap out of it.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:57 AM

I... I suddenly want that Japanese BM Silverbolt.

I must have one.


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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:02 AM

QUOTE(Cat @ Feb 26 2012, 01:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Universe 2.0 Prowl.

The Legends version kicks the crap out of it.

That's not right.

Sure it is! Legends Prowl is awesome.

QUOTE(orionpax44 @ Jun 24 2012, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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