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@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (23 April 2017 - 08:19 PM)

I'm curious because I'm not an 80s kid nor have I ever held an actual 80s toy in my hands, but I'm pretty sure a mathematically significant portion of 80s kids here do have a like for cartoon accuracy.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (23 April 2017 - 08:15 PM)

How much of this community favors versus not favors the current Hasbro design team's general trend of accuracy to classic 1980s toys and lack of attention to any other era of Transformers?

@  Fruitloop Mu... : (23 April 2017 - 07:36 PM)

Telly, ah, got it.

@  Evac : (23 April 2017 - 06:41 PM)

"You can do magic things!" "It's called evil, kid."

@  Foffy : (23 April 2017 - 06:27 PM)

Potatoes don't have ears. That's corn.

@  Telly : (23 April 2017 - 06:27 PM)

little furry potatos

@  Evac : (23 April 2017 - 06:24 PM)

This potato's got big ears...

@  Foffy : (23 April 2017 - 06:18 PM)

The potato rebellion will be swift and brutal.

@  Waspinator : (23 April 2017 - 03:48 PM)

IT'S WATCHING US

@  Telly : (23 April 2017 - 03:34 PM)

yeah, at the time im posting this, theres a "2" next to it and me and fruitloop are shown to be the 2 people reading it

@  Telly : (23 April 2017 - 03:33 PM)

i think it just means that someone is reading the shoutbox

@  Fruitloop Mu... : (23 April 2017 - 03:25 PM)

Re The Rise of Cobra: I like bad movies and action sequences involving elite ninjas, so I watched / fast-forwarded through it on Netflix a couple of years ago.

@  Fruitloop Mu... : (23 April 2017 - 03:23 PM)

Can anyone tell me why the Shoutbox has a notification (a "1") when I login sometimes? I scroll through and don't see anything addressed to me. What does it mean?

@  ▲ndrusi : (23 April 2017 - 01:33 PM)

I miss the 2000s when my local stores got new toys more than once a year.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 April 2017 - 01:09 PM)

I mean, it might be hard to not know about something before release at all, but the degree of familiarity that you described is only attainable if you intentionally seek things out.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 April 2017 - 12:59 PM)

That's at least partially your own fault. The "in motion" part sounds like you even watched videos, which require conscious effort, unlike pictures that might be hard to even avoid.

@  Bass X0 : (23 April 2017 - 12:22 PM)

I miss the 80s where the first time I ever saw Transformers toys was on the toy shelves and hadn't already saw the toy from every angle and in motion several months beforehand. It made seeing a toy in the store something very special to me that I can't recapture now.

@  Evac : (23 April 2017 - 12:14 PM)

I could see Generations becoming a TRU exclusive line, now that I think about it.

@  Xellos : (23 April 2017 - 12:14 PM)

Also, Generations weathered AOE, and the TLK line seems to be short as well, so I think we'll still be seeing some room for Generations.

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 April 2017 - 12:11 PM)

Titans aren't really wide-released anyway. About the only brick-and-mortar chain to reliably carry them is Toys R Us.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 April 2017 - 12:08 PM)

Isn't Trypticon still a long way from now?

@  Evac : (23 April 2017 - 11:57 AM)

They wouldn't let a big-ticket item like that get cancelled.

@  Evac : (23 April 2017 - 11:57 AM)

Counter argument: They still haven't released Trypticon.

@  unluckiness : (23 April 2017 - 09:25 AM)

But yeah, not having any big-name media means it's the most likely, although the premiere series packaging might convince retailers to dedicate more shelf space, kinda like SW Black.

@  unluckiness : (23 April 2017 - 09:24 AM)

I'd expect Generations to be the sacrificial lamb since they can't possibly stock RID any less.

@  RichardT1977 : (23 April 2017 - 09:06 AM)

I'm thinking the subline that doesn't have a movie or TV show will be the one on the cutting board.

@  RichardT1977 : (23 April 2017 - 09:05 AM)

Back to TF toys: the question is whether or not retailers will be willing to commit the peg/shelf space for three sublines. And which one will be sidelined if space is at a premium.

@  unluckiness : (23 April 2017 - 06:28 AM)

No idea.

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 April 2017 - 03:40 AM)

Sometimes the Shoutbox takes a little longer to catch up to a new avatar.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 April 2017 - 03:00 AM)

In the Shoutbox I'm seeing the pink thing instead of that guy with the weird eyes.

@  Telly : (23 April 2017 - 02:59 AM)

looks the same to me. maybe it looks different cause its smaller?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 April 2017 - 02:57 AM)

@unluckiness why/how is your avatar here different than the one in your profile

@  unluckiness : (23 April 2017 - 02:44 AM)

Revengeance

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 April 2017 - 01:33 AM)

Some people say revenge is sweet. Others say revenge is a dish best served cold. So basically, revenge is ice cream.

@  Verity Carlo : (22 April 2017 - 05:51 PM)

Retribution is fun.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (22 April 2017 - 05:39 PM)

'Sides, we all know the best G.I. Joe movie is Street Fighter, even if people haven't realized it yet.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (22 April 2017 - 05:39 PM)

I thought it was... okay. Okay as a movie, kinda fun, but not quite really feeling the G.I. Joe. I heard the sequel fixed that, but I've yet to see it.

@  Daith : (22 April 2017 - 05:26 PM)

Not sure about others but tried too hard to mainstream the idea to the public, making Baroness and the future Cobra Commander Duke's ex fiance and her brother was stupid and convoluted, and the power armor was a bit dumb

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 April 2017 - 05:14 PM)

What's the general opinion here about G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra?

@  BlackMax : (22 April 2017 - 02:55 PM)

In response to whether Arachnid Base or Orcanoch is the weirder.

@  BlackMax : (22 April 2017 - 02:55 PM)

My friend Take: "My vote goes to Spider Volcanobutt."

@  Rycochet : (22 April 2017 - 02:37 PM)

When I find myself in times of trouble, small marsupials come to me. Chattering and hissing, wallabies.

@  Evac : (22 April 2017 - 02:17 PM)

ROCKO'S MODERN LIIIIIIFE

@  Foffy : (22 April 2017 - 02:07 PM)

Did somebody mention wallabies?

@  Telly : (22 April 2017 - 01:38 PM)

"Walls of 'bee". walmart will be changing their name during movie time. they will now be called "walbee"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 April 2017 - 12:49 PM)

I'm pretty sure even Hasbro reps have admitted that they went overboard with Bee repaints.

@  Rycochet : (22 April 2017 - 12:34 PM)

Parents/retailers want them, it's cost effective to produce them, therefore they get made. Walls of 'bee may not be what we want to see, but here we are.

@  Bass X0 : (22 April 2017 - 12:29 PM)

That still doesn't justify all the barely repainted Bumblebee and Optimus Prime toys in slightly different shades of their standard color scheme.

@  Rycochet : (22 April 2017 - 12:26 PM)

The movie toylines are a necessary evil at this point, they help us get nice things so I can tolerate them.

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 April 2017 - 12:19 PM)

Eh, I'm more indifferent to the movies than angry.


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#21 Confuzor

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:16 AM

Energon Grimlock! Sigh.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:17 AM

Universe/Classics Octane is a fairly big failure in all modes. Much like Galvatron, it just needed to be bigger for the design to work properly. I don't think it's a case of the triple changer gimmick getting in the way, as Astrotrain doesn't really bother me as a deluxe.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:26 AM

Classics Pretenders -- Simplified, bad alt modes, small, Bumblebee has Cliffjumper's head.

PM Optimus Prime is arguably worse than the original -- no die-cast (originally), 'bubbly' looking cab robot with less 'sharp' detail, weird unnecessary 'backwards' cab transformation, weird arms-in-the-air base, trailer lacks cohesiveness. But... it did combine, so depending on how much you value that mode, it may not be 'worse' overall.

A lot of the new mold Robot Masters. I don't own any, but judging by what I've seen online, a lot of these were downgrades from the original toys, especially the Beast Wars ones. Convoy is awful too. The seeker mold was an improvement, but still not great.

All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions...

Transmetal 2 Cheetor and Transmetal 2 Dinobot.

At the time, I thought TM Optimus Primal and TM Megatron were downgrades, as they were smaller and barely resembled their previous selves. Eventually, I came to appreciate them icon-hotrod.gif

Cybertron Unicron. Hard to one-up a toy that is 90% homage to a fan favorite character with a toy that takes a lot more liberties and is a lot smaller.

Energon Hotshot. Yuck.

All the G2 "Classics" Go-Bots.

G2 Power Master Ironhide. So very bad....

ROTF Voyager Starscream. An ugly mess--ugly tattoos, ugly arms, ugly everything. I'll take the first Voyager Starscream over this piece of crap any day...

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:38 AM

My only gripe about PMOP is his legs and feet theres simply alot of wasted plastic there for some great details to be added even if it was only stickers used.. and the weak trailer hitch
TM2 Cheetor I give you but TM2 Dinobot is a really nice sculpt

Energon Hotshot is yuck
But Cyb one and the red recolor are pure win lest we not forget the over powered CDF Hotshot

G2 Power Master Ironhide----I have no idea who that is

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:47 AM

QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Feb 25 2012, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions...


I'd call Supreme Air Attack Optimus Primal an upgrade. Ain't no other Optimus Primal tells me where the seeds of the future are to be found laying. (Although I do know this toy was only released in RiD, not Beast Machines proper.) I also think Night Attack Cheetor is a BIG improvement over not just his Beast Machines toys but ALL his Beast Wars toys too.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:48 AM

BM Blackarachnia is a much better toy than the TM2. At least she can actually stand up under her own power without having to fiddle with balancing her backpack for half an hour.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:01 PM

QUOTE(tec @ Feb 25 2012, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
G2 Power Master Ironhide----I have no idea who that is

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 03:00 PM

HA Icepick isn't very good compared to his PCC counterpart.

QUOTE(orionpax44 @ Jun 24 2012, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:01 PM

QUOTE(Dante @ Feb 25 2012, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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I fail to see how RtS Tracks isn't an upgrade of the original

Well, sure. But it's perhaps no better than the Binaltech version, and arguably worse.


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Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:12 PM

QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Feb 25 2012, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions...


Maybe Blackarachnia.

Edited by mignash, 25 February 2012 - 06:13 PM.


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Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:26 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Feb 25 2012, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Feb 25 2012, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions...


Maybe Blackarachnia.

Except for her giant water-ski feet!



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#32 Fear or Courage

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 07:12 PM

Too soon to say PRID Prime versus F.E Prime?

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 07:42 PM

QUOTE(Fear or Courage @ Feb 25 2012, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Too soon to say PRID Prime versus F.E Prime?

Or PRID Bumblebee compared to FE Bumblebee?

Going back to G1, what about Goldbug? The original Bumblebee was better.

Transmetal II Cheetor wasn't nearly as good as Transmetal Cheetor.

I would also say that Optimus Primal got progressively worse for several toys in a row; Ultra, Transmetal, Optimal, BM Deluxe.

#34 Boltax

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:51 AM

QUOTE(NovaSaber @ Feb 25 2012, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Going back to G1, what about Goldbug? The original Bumblebee was better.


I'd call it a lateral move. The original Bumblebee has some serious problems -- especially with being delicate and not standing up to play wear very well. Bumblebees with heads that won't stay up are a very common problem. Goldbug definitely has a less engaging transformation -- but he's WAY more robust and his extra gimmick is SERIOUS fun. I played with Goldbug *WAY* more than with Bumblebee when I was a kid.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:57 AM

QUOTE(Boltax @ Feb 26 2012, 05:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I played with Goldbug *WAY* more than with Bumblebee when I was a kid.

I played with Bumblebee more, because while you could take Goldbug's car-trunk-hoodie off for battle damage, you could easily take off Bumblebee's feet and legs.

Battle damage potential was a big deal to me when I was a kid.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 01:21 AM

I like the G1 vehicle modes better for most CHUGs, etc. I much prefer toys that are a pretty good match for actual vehicles rather than lawyer-safe, made-up vehicles (even though I understand the need for them). I like classic vehicles better than modern ones for the most part, anyway. You'd never see me buying the new Fairlady Z.

Plus there are characters who had their very own mold in G1/G2 but are just a repaint/remold in the modern era (even if the newer toy has better engineering). I understand the need for this as well, but I'm not going to start selling off my G1 collection after getting each "upgrade".

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 01:44 AM

Universe 2.0 Prowl.

The Legends version kicks the crap out of it.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:57 AM

I... I suddenly want that Japanese BM Silverbolt.

I must have one.


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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:02 AM

QUOTE(Cat @ Feb 26 2012, 01:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Universe 2.0 Prowl.

The Legends version kicks the crap out of it.

That's not right.

Sure it is! Legends Prowl is awesome.

QUOTE(orionpax44 @ Jun 24 2012, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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You're talking to ▲ndrusi. Assume everything that he posts is snark.