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@  PlutoniumBoss : (21 January 2017 - 12:07 PM)

Okay, that got too weird, let's just use the Megazordenny's instead.

@  ▲ndrusi : (21 January 2017 - 09:20 AM)

no, no, not all hope for the characters, all hope for the viewer understanding what the hell is going on.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (21 January 2017 - 07:33 AM)

Isn't that like.. every second spent watching Eva? *hides!*

@  Telly : (21 January 2017 - 02:26 AM)

usually about halfway through, when all hope seems lost

@  Copper Bezel : (21 January 2017 - 02:01 AM)

I understand using Eva to fight monsters, but where does Bob come into it?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (21 January 2017 - 01:29 AM)

Of course we'll need Bob EVAs to fight all these critters...

@  PlutoniumBoss : (21 January 2017 - 01:21 AM)

Or Otachipotle.

@  RichardT1977 : (20 January 2017 - 11:03 PM)

Sorry Waspinator, but Sean Bean already reserved that one.

@  Pennpenn : (20 January 2017 - 09:51 PM)

Isn't the answer "Pepperoni and Cheese"?

@  Waspinator : (20 January 2017 - 09:12 PM)

"Oh no, not again."

@  The Doctor Who : (20 January 2017 - 08:54 PM)

What do you want on your Tombstone?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (20 January 2017 - 08:52 PM)

I summon Mothrally's to champion the cause of a new/old line of discussion!

@  Pennpenn : (20 January 2017 - 07:24 PM)

Fair enough, sorry. Although, I think as more people get upset you're going to see it leaking out more.

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 January 2017 - 06:25 PM)

Can the politics stay in P&R? I don't really need an emetic that badly.

@  Pennpenn : (20 January 2017 - 05:37 PM)

All of Trump's base are stone cold morons, so there's that. Then again, a lot of people would argue that America has nevr been "great", or even when it is there's plenty to bring down it's score.

@  Vexwing : (20 January 2017 - 04:18 PM)

A lot of Trump's base would probably claim it stopped being great 8 years ago.

@  Locoman : (20 January 2017 - 03:44 PM)

And today is National Cheese Lover's Day, apparently, so perhaps we should make America grate again while we're at it

@  Bass X0 : (20 January 2017 - 03:43 PM)

How long has it not been great for?

@  Nevermore : (20 January 2017 - 02:34 PM)

Finally, America is great again.

@  wonko the sane? : (20 January 2017 - 12:03 PM)

Me too!

@  Arazyr : (20 January 2017 - 10:08 AM)

My daughters and I have been looking forward to that!

@  Benbot : (20 January 2017 - 09:44 AM)

Nevermind that. Today is a day to celebrate, because season 2 of Voltron is up on Netflix!

@  ShadowMan024 : (19 January 2017 - 06:51 PM)

Past 8 years? Try "past 241."

@  Xellos : (19 January 2017 - 06:44 PM)

So basically the same as the past 8 years. Guess that works too.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 January 2017 - 06:25 PM)

We as a nation either drank too much or not enough. It's difficult to say, really.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (19 January 2017 - 06:10 PM)

Isn't America being crazy drunk how we got in this situation in the first place?

@  BlackMax : (19 January 2017 - 04:18 PM)

I plan on being very American about every single injustice our new leader perpetrates ("American" of course meaning "annoyed and loud").

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 January 2017 - 02:38 PM)

I plan to just stick my fingers in my ears and pretend I don't hear anything.

@  Bass X0 : (19 January 2017 - 02:26 PM)

I recommend America just get crazy drunk for the next four years. It's the only way you're going to get through them.

@  Paladin : (19 January 2017 - 08:34 AM)

everyone go vote for Guilermo Del Toro. We need a Hellboy 3 now more than ever. https://www.bleeding...nt-hellboy-iii/

@  BlackMax : (18 January 2017 - 10:49 PM)

Shrapnel is a Lucanus Elaphus.

@  ShadowMan024 : (18 January 2017 - 08:42 PM)

Nah, Taco Bell is more like Hedorah.

@  TriBlurr : (18 January 2017 - 08:28 PM)

Taco Mutos

@  ShadowMan024 : (18 January 2017 - 08:27 PM)

YAHMMMAAHOAAHOAAAUGH!

@  Locoman : (18 January 2017 - 08:22 PM)

HE LUNCH MENU COVER UP A BASIC INSECURITY

@  ShadowMan024 : (18 January 2017 - 08:22 PM)

IT'S THE MEATS FROM A PAIL

@  ShadowMan024 : (18 January 2017 - 08:21 PM)

HE JOCK IT MADE OF STEEL

@  Patchouli Kn... : (18 January 2017 - 08:20 PM)

What about Jet Jaguarby's?

@  ShadowMan024 : (18 January 2017 - 08:15 PM)

WENDERA IS REALLY NEAT, WENDERA SAYS WHERE'S THE BEEF, WE ALL EAT AT WENDERAAAAA'S!

@  Echowarrior : (18 January 2017 - 08:15 PM)

No love for Wendera, friend to all children?

@  BlackMax : (18 January 2017 - 07:57 PM)

In the Japanese release, McDonaldzilla wins.

@  TriBlurr : (18 January 2017 - 06:34 PM)

Burger King Kong is better anyway

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 January 2017 - 06:21 PM)

No way, man, I have standards.

@  RichardT1977 : (18 January 2017 - 04:12 PM)

Or do a crossover where you team up with McDonaldzilla.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 January 2017 - 04:10 PM)

Take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

@  BlackMax : (18 January 2017 - 04:10 PM)

That's why we're going to bomb the Breach.

@  Locoman : (18 January 2017 - 03:58 PM)

In the beginning new Subways were only built every twelve months. Then six, then three. Then every two weeks. In four days we could be seeing a new Subway every eight hours until they are coming every four minutes.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 January 2017 - 03:44 PM)

One bite is all it takes.

@  Locoman : (18 January 2017 - 03:44 PM)

I'm a little worried by how many Subways there are in my vincinity. Like, there are two within walking distance of my house, and I pass about four of them on my way to work

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 January 2017 - 03:41 PM)

I'd almost rather eat the corpse, but then again, it's probably been eating Subway too, with my luck.


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Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:02 PM

In talk about Hall of Fame nominees recently I saw some people comment on Beast Machines Silverbolt being a worse toy that the Beast Wars one. I wouldn't argue that either, as I like the Beast Wars (and his Universe recolor" much better than the rainbow chickenhawk.

This got me thinking, what are the biggest failures in releasing "upgrades" existing characters? One that came to mind for me was Armada Thundercracker and Skywarp. The Cybertron toys were such disappointments. What comes to your mind?

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:45 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Feb 24 2012, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In talk about Hall of Fame nominees recently I saw some people comment on Beast Machines Silverbolt being a worse toy that the Beast Wars one. I wouldn't argue that either, as I like the Beast Wars (and his Universe recolor" much better than the rainbow chickenhawk.

This got me thinking, what are the biggest failures in releasing "upgrades" existing characters? One that came to mind for me was Armada Thundercracker and Skywarp. The Cybertron toys were such disappointments. What comes to your mind?


As Silverbolt is my favorite BW/BM next to Rhinox, I always hated the BM toy as it was not a fitting update for the birddog and was happy when repaint of the original toy in his techno-organic color scheme showed up.

As for other upgrades gone bad, I would say Cheetor from the Universe line and Rattrap from the BM line. Seems like Maximal toys didn't measure up once BM started.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:21 AM

Armada -> Universe Hot Shot? I like the updated version somewhat, but it's hard to argue that we went from a slightly-immobile, but solidly-playable toy to a highly articulated, but floppy figure with clearance issues in his back kibble and a Mini-Con that can no longer stand on its own. icon-op.gif

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:01 AM

Universe Cheetor and Universe Dinobot are both lesser "upgrades" they do some things 'better', than their original toys -- but one vitally important part is missing... any sense of fun or enjoyment. They're just not fun to play with.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:21 AM

Most of the figures I really wanted to like from Universe (Galvatron, Cheetor, Hot Shot, Dinobot) were pretty awful.

Also, there's the whole deal of Leader Bulkhead, while being a fun toy, just wasn't as fun for me as the Voyager version.

Transformers is a brand that really has something for everyone. We are a darn lucky fandom.


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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:31 AM

Universe & Classics have quite a few IMO: Galvatron, Grimlock, Cheetor, Dinobot, Tracks.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:33 AM

Universe Cheetor definitely.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:34 AM

QUOTE(Kup @ Feb 25 2012, 01:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Universe & Classics have quite a few IMO: Galvatron, Grimlock, Cheetor, Dinobot, Tracks.

I never bought Tracks, but that mold was perfect as Wheeljack icon-ironhide.gif

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:51 AM

Definitely Universe Cheetor. I never had original Galvatron, but it's pretty obvious the Universe one is full of fail even without having the original.
Universe Hot shot comes close to being better, but does have some issues. Jolt, on the other hand, has clearly become much worse.

I do like Universe Dinobot better. Those switchable hands... I guess it helps that I never cared for the original mold all that much.

If we can count characters from one movie to the next, Voyager Ironhides.... I didn't think the DOTM was as good as the old mold.

Battle in a Box Prime doesn't seem as good to me as the original toy. And without his trailer, Powermaster Prime isn't anywhere near as good as the original.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 03:07 AM

Classics Galvatron So bad I had to own it twice to make sure it was really bad
I hope one day they retry him in a movie accrate way

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 08:55 AM

QUOTE(Spin Out @ Feb 25 2012, 01:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Kup @ Feb 25 2012, 01:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Universe & Classics have quite a few IMO: Galvatron, Grimlock, Cheetor, Dinobot, Tracks.

I never bought Tracks, but that mold was perfect as Wheeljack icon-ironhide.gif


Exactly. Besides the head and bring blue, it wasn't a good tracks. But as Jackie? Perfection.

Also: Blurr
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 09:37 AM

I think I want to add some of the Action Masters to this list. I'm not going to trash ALL the Action Masters -- a lot of people really like them. But I think there's TWO Action Masters in particular who are a SERIOUS downgrade from the original toys.

Blaster and Soundwave.

While there's a definite compensation with, say, Snarl, because he comes with Tyrannitron... it's just not the case with Soundwave and Blaster! Those two already *HAD* little partner robots, and their little partner robots were actually way better than the Action Master partners. I really do think Blaster and Soundwave were massively downgraded thanks to Nucleon.

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(On the other hand, Action Master Thundercracker? Massive upgrade. Action Master Starscream is... kind of a lateral move from the Pretender.)

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 09:42 AM

Oh, I also want to add the original Legends figures -- the Pretender Classics that were repackaged without their Pretender shells. While Starscream and Bumblebee were definite upgrades, Grimlock and Jazz were DEFINITELY downgrades.

That said, add the Pretender Shells and there's no doubting that the Pretender Classics are way better than the originals. It's just those ones where they released them WITHOUT their shells that I take issue with. That's insane.

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(Also... I don't know that even with his Pretender shell that Grimlock is an improvement. As much as I like the Pretender play pattern, the original Grimlock is just a really appealing toy.)

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 09:45 AM

I fail to see how RtS Tracks isn't un upgrade of the original. He looks just like the G1, but now has articulation and storage for weapons. I think the only weak part might be the flying car mode.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 09:56 AM

Classics Jetfire is a lateral move from the original Bandai toy at best.

Arm articulation aside, I feel that RtS Jazz is inferior to Binaltech Meister both in terms of engineering and sculpting.

RtS G2 Prime is vastly inferior to Laser Optimus in every conceivable way, and doesn't even have an excuse for the one flaw both share (colors) since he's not gang molded with a huge trailer.

Rodimus Prime is a pretty lame toy compared to Hot Rod.

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Well, sure. But it's perhaps no better than the Binaltech version, and arguably worse.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 10:33 AM

BM Rattrap is by far my favorite Rattrap toy. I really wish we'd ever gotten a redeco of it, maybe as someone a little more feral.

The Ravage that came with Universe Hound is worse at everything than the G1 Ravage toy except for "being three-dimensional", and has a ridculous bird head to boot.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 10:38 AM

I kind of want to say Energon Rodimus, just because of the weird proportions so it can be a pair of pants. I know some people really like the mold, and while I don't regard it strictly as an upgrade failure, I don't at all see it as an upgrade success. Energon Prowl kind of qualifies for the same reason, although that's not as obvious an upgrade attempt that pushes the G1 buttons like Rodimus does.

As has been mentioned, Classics Galvatron definitely qualifies. I like the figure, but it's definitely a failure at delivering what it promises. Way too complicated transformation that's made worse by it being at a deluxe scale, and which also really kills the aesthetics and leg articulation. I keep hoping we'll get a G1 toon Galvatron recolor of the smaller Energon Megatron mold.

Blurr isn't so much an upgrade failure as it's a non-G1 Blurr. I see what they were trying to do, and I think they accomplished it, but there's still a hole in my G1 movie cast.

Also, Classics Powerglide.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 10:45 AM

QUOTE(Octavius Prime @ Feb 25 2012, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I fail to see how RtS Tracks isn't un upgrade of the original. He looks just like the G1, but now has articulation and storage for weapons. I think the only weak part might be the flying car mode.


Except he doesn't, he looks like some chunky body builder when compared to his original slender frame. He's boxy and ugly, maybe if the roof didn't take up 150% of his chest he might look better.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(Octavius Prime @ Feb 25 2012, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I fail to see how RtS Tracks isn't un upgrade of the original. He looks just like the G1, but now has articulation and storage for weapons. I think the only weak part might be the flying car mode.


Except he doesn't, he looks like some chunky body builder when compared to his original slender frame. He's boxy and ugly, maybe if the roof didn't take up 150% of his chest he might look better.


He is boxier, that's for sure. However, I still don't consider him at all to be an "upgrade failure."


I also think he's a better toy than the alternator. The alt had the fake chest and was awful at dealing with kibble. I mean, I still like the mold (especially the Ravage version), but I almost wish they had gone back and put the Tracks head on a blue version of Alt. Sideswipe. Yeah, his leg movement might be crippled, but he's not a car explosion when viewed from the back.

Also, I prefer Animated leader Bulkhead to the voyager. It's a great toy.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:06 AM

QUOTE(Octavius Prime @ Feb 25 2012, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Database @ Feb 25 2012, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Octavius Prime @ Feb 25 2012, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I fail to see how RtS Tracks isn't un upgrade of the original. He looks just like the G1, but now has articulation and storage for weapons. I think the only weak part might be the flying car mode.


Except he doesn't, he looks like some chunky body builder when compared to his original slender frame. He's boxy and ugly, maybe if the roof didn't take up 150% of his chest he might look better.


He is boxier, that's for sure. However, I still don't consider him at all to be an "upgrade failure."


I also think he's a better toy than the alternator. The alt had the fake chest and was awful at dealing with kibble. I mean, I still like the mold (especially the Ravage version), but I almost wish they had gone back and put the Tracks head on a blue version of Alt. Sideswipe. Yeah, his leg movement might be crippled, but he's not a car explosion when viewed from the back.

Also, I prefer Animated leader Bulkhead to the voyager. It's a great toy.


I prefer the Alt for the fake chest, becuase it keeps his lithe athletic look. If he wasn't larger then most voyagers he'd be my preferred version.

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