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@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 February 2017 - 07:59 AM)

Eh, he would've gotten beaten up if the government sent just about anyone.

@  Pennpenn : (22 February 2017 - 07:56 AM)

Regardless, literally everything I've ever seen (and a lot on tfwiki) attributes Megatron's slide into violence to Whirl beating him up while in custody. Maybe not like flicking a switch but Megatron's line "You made me. You taught me words were weightless without force" kinda spells it out.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 February 2017 - 07:38 AM)

I'm not sure if there even was a specific turning point, but he didn't seem kill happy yet when he was with Terminus, and that was after Whirl beating him up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 February 2017 - 07:24 AM)

It was also before any sort of uprising or him actually doing much of anything.

@  Pennpenn : (22 February 2017 - 07:20 AM)

I mean, the whole thing didn't start as "the great war". It was an uprising that eventually morphed into a the war.

@  Pennpenn : (22 February 2017 - 07:17 AM)

Yeah, of course it's before the war, Whirl beating Megatron while he was in custody was the tipping point that made Megatron turn violent.

@  RC85747 : (22 February 2017 - 07:08 AM)

again

@  RC85747 : (22 February 2017 - 07:04 AM)

Forgot this wasn't a search bar

@  RC85747 : (22 February 2017 - 07:03 AM)

hascon

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 February 2017 - 05:12 AM)

But the thing with Whirl was before he started the war.

@  Pennpenn : (22 February 2017 - 03:28 AM)

Like so many awful things in that universe, it's basically Whirl's fault.

@  Telly : (22 February 2017 - 12:51 AM)

for about 10 minutes. then he got all kill happy

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (21 February 2017 - 10:27 PM)

Wouldn't IDW Megatron kind of count since his main reason for instigating the Great War was to overthrow the Functionist social order?

@  Black Hat : (21 February 2017 - 04:05 PM)

(I haven't read IDW at all please don't sue me)

@  Black Hat : (21 February 2017 - 04:04 PM)

Tyrest? He was chief justice, even :p

@  Bass X0 : (21 February 2017 - 03:24 PM)

I kinda want an Autobot to have the function of "Social Justice Warrior".

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 February 2017 - 12:20 PM)

Even we have limits.

@  Robowang : (21 February 2017 - 12:18 PM)

Good. But let's agree not to do one for Tecumseh.

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 February 2017 - 12:12 PM)

Shitting Bull.

@  Robowang : (21 February 2017 - 11:54 AM)

or spending a lot of time taking a Squatto?

@  Robowang : (21 February 2017 - 11:49 AM)

nice

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 February 2017 - 11:42 AM)

Just hope it's clean or you'll be meeting Pukeahontas.

@  Robowang : (21 February 2017 - 10:39 AM)

Snackajawea - REAL Native American food prepackaged for your snacking pleasure!

@  Pennpenn : (19 February 2017 - 04:03 AM)

Oh wait, figured it out. Doi...

@  Pennpenn : (19 February 2017 - 04:02 AM)

I'm kinda disappointed how they messed up Legion Bisk's hands so that his front wheels can't roll.

@  RichardT1977 : (19 February 2017 - 12:45 AM)

One of the Walmarts near me has some pegs full of Wave 1 TR deluxes.

@  Paladin : (18 February 2017 - 09:39 PM)

https://twitter.com/autobase_aichi/status/833142409005391872 ....is that an MP DINOBOT teaser?!?!

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 February 2017 - 09:35 PM)

Yeah, never seen a Titans Return Hot Rod

@  LBD "Nyt... : (18 February 2017 - 08:58 PM)

Or Hot Rod. D=

@  LBD "Nyt... : (18 February 2017 - 08:58 PM)

Wow, seriously? I don't think I've even seen him here. =(

@  Msol : (18 February 2017 - 07:50 PM)

Yeah Mindwipe shelfwarmed like crazy in Vancouver.

@  Steevy Maximus : (18 February 2017 - 07:36 PM)

My Walmart still has a Rattrap floating around. My frustration is I've seen Hot Rod and Doublecross, but still haven't seen a Highbrow

@  ShadowMan024 : (18 February 2017 - 07:02 PM)

I still haven't seen any Wave 3 Deluxes aside from the Triggerhappy I got off eBay.

@  Pennpenn : (18 February 2017 - 06:54 PM)

Fairly sure the Target near my work still has a CW Wheeljack hanging around the Wave 3 TR deluxes. Just wish we'd gotten Wave 2 deluxes...

@  ShadowMan024 : (18 February 2017 - 06:53 PM)

CW deluxes from the later waves clogged the shelves real bad.

@  ShadowMan024 : (18 February 2017 - 06:52 PM)

Correction: TR deluxes don't shelfwarm.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 February 2017 - 06:47 PM)

Generations deluxes don't shelfwarm.

@  Msol : (18 February 2017 - 06:30 PM)

Hm, interesting. Some of the pegs seem to have the correct names when they've been shelfwarming for a while. So like Mindwipe would be on a peg labelled MINDWIPE next to WOLFWIRE, etc.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 February 2017 - 06:30 PM)

It would make less sense to track individual figures when they're ordered by the assortment anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 February 2017 - 03:02 PM)

Nope. walmart tends to scan the first UPC of the assortment, then use it for the entire assortment. Actually tracking data makes to much sense.

@  Msol : (18 February 2017 - 02:37 PM)

So hey I bought Triggerhappy from Walmart a few days ago and just notice the receipt said TRIGGERHAPPY on it. Not the assortment name or whatever. Are they using this info to better track character sales or something?

@  unluckiness : (18 February 2017 - 07:13 AM)

I think there was a premonition panel in the Devil's Due TF vs JOEs

@  Bass X0 : (18 February 2017 - 05:28 AM)

When an app asks me to give a review or a rating, I decline, but I always look at other people's reviews before I get an app.

@  Sockie : (17 February 2017 - 10:07 PM)

TF vs G.I. Joe counts more than anything else.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (17 February 2017 - 08:52 PM)

Does that even count?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (17 February 2017 - 08:52 PM)

OH, that one.

@  Pennpenn : (17 February 2017 - 08:39 PM)

The most recent one, I think? I don't think Fort Max or Trypticon even appear in the earlier ones.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (17 February 2017 - 08:37 PM)

Which one was that?

@  unitremover : (17 February 2017 - 07:16 PM)

They did in the Scioli TF vs GI Joe

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 February 2017 - 05:37 PM)

Have Fortress Maximus and Trypticon ever fought each other before Titans Return?


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#21 Robowang

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 01:20 PM

QUOTE(Kalidor @ Feb 24 2012, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm less concerned whether certain repaints are made available and whether or not there's a Botcon than I am about the dozens of people who have had their data breached and their money stolen or the dozens of people who have yet to be made aware of this issue and run the risk of their finances being compromised.

Given the amount of reports from both here and the GI Joe Club, I personally feel we've reached beyond the threshold of "a reasonable belief that there might have been a breach" and Funpub is obligated under law to notify those who've done business with them of a possible breach. Not only are they in violation of the trust between customer and vendor, but quite possibly the law. A law that carries significant financial penalties if found guilty.

That in itself should be enough to generate a response from the company, to either say "No, we can assure you that NO BREACH occurred" or "We believe a breach might have occurred" If they can't guarantee the former, then it means they do have a reasonable belief that it could have been. Failure to notify its customers in the amount of time that has passed is illegal.

Secondly, if writing to Hasbro will help reveal the scope of how many people are actually being affected by this, then it gives them the opportunity to investigate and come to a conclusion so that consumers aren't forced to draw their own.

Being worried about trivial things like club toys in the future is missing the point of this issue when people's personal and financial information are being sold to criminals around the world, Many fraudulent charges COULD have been prevented if the legally mandated notifications were given out.

Such irresponsibility not only affects the club or its customers, but it affects banks, the vendors where fraudulent purchases were made and Hasbro itself. Thousands of dollars, if not more, of money and time being wasted all because someone at the club didn't want to 'admit fault'.

This is a very serious issue and by now something should have been formally stated either way from the Club regarding a breach.


Thank you. My sentiments exactly.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 01:53 PM

I don't think we need to ask for an online merchant to comply with PCI DSS. That's up there with asking a driver to stop at a red light. If you don't, you get a ticket. If you process cards without PCI DSS compliance, you get fines from the payment card merchant. Enough violations, and you get CUT OFF. That's why merchants are as liable as the processing companies. If you keep on going with non-compliant processing companies, why should the CC companies trust you? They're the ones footing the bill for fraud.

As for yanking the license, meh. Hasbro would probably do that only if and when they had an alternative lined up. I've got metric tons of misgivings regarding FP as a customer-facing business in the event planning market, but a scorched-earth policy isn't going to get us anywhere. At the end of the day, I'd wager that if FP were to lose the license, it would either be to someone waiting in the wings, or Hasbro would take it in-house, if anything.

More than likely, though? Pulling the license would mean that we'd be left with a website and no convention, and maybe some mail-order exclusives via HTS.

It's not desirable, but neither is credit card fraud, and I value my financial security over some plastic toys and lining Brian Savage's pockets.



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Posted 24 February 2012 - 05:17 PM

Just had to cancel my card. I renewed my membership and bought runabout after the switch over. Mine was hit for $400 in airline tickets.



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Posted 24 February 2012 - 05:30 PM

QUOTE(lightsyder @ Feb 24 2012, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just had to cancel my card. I renewed my membership and bought runabout after the switch over. Mine was hit for $400 in airline tickets.


And for clarity's sake, did you ever use that card on the club site prior to the switch over?

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 05:45 PM

Fun Pub has released a statement:
http://www.allspark....showtopic=85315
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:30 PM

QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Feb 24 2012, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(lightsyder @ Feb 24 2012, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just had to cancel my card. I renewed my membership and bought runabout after the switch over. Mine was hit for $400 in airline tickets.


And for clarity's sake, did you ever use that card on the club site prior to the switch over?


yeah, i made a couple of purchases through the site last year and called in a membership renewal so they had my card already on file.

So, what kind of charges did people see? mine were for Jet Blue Airways...



#27 Cyoti

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:44 PM

Wal-mart, Gamestop, Nutritional Supplements, etc. Depends really on the 3rd parties that then bought the stolen information from the hackers I think.

QUOTE(Kalidor @ Feb 24 2012, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm less concerned whether certain repaints are made available and whether or not there's a Botcon than I am about the dozens of people who have had their data breached and their money stolen or the dozens of people who have yet to be made aware of this issue and run the risk of their finances being compromised.

Given the amount of reports from both here and the GI Joe Club, I personally feel we've reached beyond the threshold of "a reasonable belief that there might have been a breach" and Funpub is obligated under law to notify those who've done business with them of a possible breach. Not only are they in violation of the trust between customer and vendor, but quite possibly the law. A law that carries significant financial penalties if found guilty.

That in itself should be enough to generate a response from the company, to either say "No, we can assure you that NO BREACH occurred" or "We believe a breach might have occurred" If they can't guarantee the former, then it means they do have a reasonable belief that it could have been. Failure to notify its customers in the amount of time that has passed is illegal.

Secondly, if writing to Hasbro will help reveal the scope of how many people are actually being affected by this, then it gives them the opportunity to investigate and come to a conclusion so that consumers aren't forced to draw their own.

Being worried about trivial things like club toys in the future is missing the point of this issue when people's personal and financial information are being sold to criminals around the world, Many fraudulent charges COULD have been prevented if the legally mandated notifications were given out.

Such irresponsibility not only affects the club or its customers, but it affects banks, the vendors where fraudulent purchases were made and Hasbro itself. Thousands of dollars, if not more, of money and time being wasted all because someone at the club didn't want to 'admit fault'.

This is a very serious issue and by now something should have been formally stated either way from the Club regarding a breach.


Couldn't have said it better.

Edited by Cyoti, 24 February 2012 - 06:47 PM.


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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:23 PM

QUOTE(Hydra @ Feb 24 2012, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't doubt that Hasbro will take note of the letter,
but what is the desired effect you're hoping for by organizing this campaign?

In other words, what is it you would hope to see them do about it?


If you've ever followed an unfolding catastrophe on the news - Katrina hitting New Orleans, the Gulf oil spill - then you've seen how people are psychologically disinclined to accept the true magnitude of a diaster, sometimes until it is staring them in the face.

This sort of thing is a wake-up call to make sure the powers-that-be understand that this is a very big screw-up.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 08:56 PM

Mail the letter!

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 09:12 PM

I'll mail one in. They need this license yanked and awarded to someone who will be more responsible and have done more than read "PR for Dummies".

I'll take my chances with a new organization, the customer service CANNOT be worse than this.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 10:41 PM

I see no reason to think there aren't at least a handful of professional companies waiting in the wings to bid for the BotCon license. Those companies who've made their bread and butter the last twenty years running Star Trek conventions have to be drooling for fresh meat, AND they have professional experience.

I hate to be That Person, but this is something that's been waiting to happen. Fun Pub has always been completely unwilling to admit to any mistakes, and their web site was pitiful from the day it went online. The first BotCon I registered for online, I got a pre-paid Visa because it was frankly obvious that it was a security breach waiting to happen. I let my guard down after that, and now I'm extremely lucky that my bank decided to randomly replace everyone's Visa debit cards with Mastercards last fall and that I was waiting for a bonus from work that's scheduled for the beginning of March to renew my membership and register. I dodged that bullet, but knowing how close I was to not being able to pay my rent or my bills on time turns my stomach. Knowing that some of my friends can't pay their bills or their rent on time because of it is almost as infuriating. Why didn't they warn everyone and start investigating the moment it was obvious to everyone else that something was horribly wrong? Because they have always been completely unwilling to admit to any mistakes. This is just part of an ongoing pattern.

I've always made it pretty clear that I'm not a fan of Fun Pub, but I think BotCon is bigger than them so I haven't stopped attending. I would still prefer to see the con in the hands of someone professional and competent. Now that what was clearly in the cards years ago has come to pass, I can only hope Hasbro is with me. I don't want to see them lose the license for this. I want to see them lose the license for a litany of reasons. This is just the worst thing they've done.

#32 Chip

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:04 AM

I haven't read every report; how far back do these breaches go? Back in August, I had a problem with my card that I've never been able to account for.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 02:19 PM

QUOTE(Chip @ Feb 26 2012, 12:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I haven't read every report; how far back do these breaches go? Back in August, I had a problem with my card that I've never been able to account for.


At least back to April 2011, it seems:

http://www.allspark....showtopic=84493

http://www.tfw2005.c...rd-numbers.html

I haven't had a problem with my card until recently, but I suppose it could have been from any of the purchases I made from the Club, depending on how long the hackers decided to sit on the info before using it.

I used the card to buy Cheetor and Ramjet (April 27, 2011), the BotCon Iacon Package (January 28, 2012), and Over-Run and SG Drift (January 30, 2012 - no errors during checkout and before the changeover to the new CC processor), but didn't get hit until February 18, so I guess the breach could have occurred with any one of them...

I needed to renew my membership (expires 3/4/12), so I snail-mailed a money order using the little renewal reminder I received the first week of February to them yesterday...hopefully it reaches them before my membership expires/the deadline for Runamuck passes.

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Edited by Engledogg, 26 February 2012 - 02:24 PM.


#34 Chip

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 05:32 PM

Sounds like they got me too, then. I know these things happen, and if I had any sense that Fun Pub had made a good faith effort to secure its transactions and that they had made an honest attempt to contact the people affected, I wouldn't be angry. They've chosen to fail on both counts.

Edited by Chip, 26 February 2012 - 05:33 PM.


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Posted 26 February 2012 - 08:39 PM

Can't blame you for your opinions, but I really think they just need to make major changes in management style.
They also need a person who specializes in site design doing work for them full-time.

If FunPub loses their license, the excellent network of fan involvement in official TF fiction may also evaporate.
One thing I can compliment FunPub with is that they know how to make excellent use of the knowledge of the fans.

I like what Fun Pub has created in terms of fiction, and a lot of that owes to their connections to the fans.
If another group suddenly came in, we might not get that anymore.

I hear you about the managament issues, but I think we should really consider everythign that might end up happening if
the license was lost.

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QUOTE(Trixter @ Feb 26 2012, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I see no reason to think there aren't at least a handful of professional companies waiting in the wings to bid for the BotCon license. Those companies who've made their bread and butter the last twenty years running Star Trek conventions have to be drooling for fresh meat, AND they have professional experience.

I hate to be That Person, but this is something that's been waiting to happen. Fun Pub has always been completely unwilling to admit to any mistakes, and their web site was pitiful from the day it went online. The first BotCon I registered for online, I got a pre-paid Visa because it was frankly obvious that it was a security breach waiting to happen. I let my guard down after that, and now I'm extremely lucky that my bank decided to randomly replace everyone's Visa debit cards with Mastercards last fall and that I was waiting for a bonus from work that's scheduled for the beginning of March to renew my membership and register. I dodged that bullet, but knowing how close I was to not being able to pay my rent or my bills on time turns my stomach. Knowing that some of my friends can't pay their bills or their rent on time because of it is almost as infuriating. Why didn't they warn everyone and start investigating the moment it was obvious to everyone else that something was horribly wrong? Because they have always been completely unwilling to admit to any mistakes. This is just part of an ongoing pattern.

I've always made it pretty clear that I'm not a fan of Fun Pub, but I think BotCon is bigger than them so I haven't stopped attending. I would still prefer to see the con in the hands of someone professional and competent. Now that what was clearly in the cards years ago has come to pass, I can only hope Hasbro is with me. I don't want to see them lose the license for this. I want to see them lose the license for a litany of reasons. This is just the worst thing they've done.


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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:04 PM

QUOTE(Hydra @ Feb 26 2012, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can't blame you for your opinions, but I really think they just need to make major changes in management style.
They also need a person who specializes in site design doing work for them full-time.

If FunPub loses their license, the excellent network of fan involvement in official TF fiction may also evaporate.
One thing I can compliment FunPub with is that they know how to make excellent use of the knowledge of the fans.

I like what Fun Pub has created in terms of fiction, and a lot of that owes to their connections to the fans.
If another group suddenly came in, we might not get that anymore.

I hear you about the managament issues, but I think we should really consider everythign that might end up happening if
the license was lost.

-Hydra


I think the problem is, and why the folks who hope for a new company are openly hoping for one, is that FunPub is a rather small outfit. "Major changes in management style" would seem to mean replacing the existing management, which more or less consists of one guy; Brian Savage. And from what I understand, FunPub is so small that it basically ceases to exist if he's 'replaced'. The other alternative would be if Brian Savage undergoes some manner of self-induced "major changes" that finally addresses the litany of complaints the fandom has about how FunPub runs itself, and presents itself to the fandom. But the current record seems to indicate this is unlikely, or we would've seen the Club's website, forums, and infrastructure move out of the 1990s. And Faxing would have stayed there, where it belonged.

But that's my layman's opinion, and it could be entirely wrong.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:08 PM

It's not just you.

Fun Publications seems more like Brian Savage Inc then it does a "separate" company.

Edited by MrBlud, 26 February 2012 - 09:14 PM.


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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:11 PM

QUOTE(ShinRa Inc @ Feb 26 2012, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And Faxing would have stayed there, where it belonged.


My own opinion...

There's nothing wrong with having faxes. They're quite good for many things, even today, and they should remain an option.

They simply shouldn't be the only option. Nor should I be shared an extra fee for using them (that is, the "processing fee" to register for BotCon via Fax is, I think without double-checking the form which is in my work office, $25).

(We shouldn't be charged a fee for registering online, either, but at least that fee is a smaller one. Pick a price, and roll whatever you need to in that price. Don't add additional fees for every possible option one could use!)

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:30 PM

They've e-mailed past members too (according to their latest e-mails).

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:45 PM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 26 2012, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They've e-mailed past members too (according to their latest e-mails).

Randy

Oh hey, lookie there. I've received it.