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@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:20 PM)

I do enjoy the TFW podcast. and that subforum's usually very civil. It's the best place to actually talk about TFers there :D also the Radicons forum is ok if you just like looking at kitbash pr0n

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 PM)

There's some cool people on the site, thankfully. It's just the morons tend to outnumber them... Which is generally the rule on most forums thanks to the GIFT.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:17 PM)

In all honesty, the better parts of the site are the non-TF parts.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

yeah, and their love of 3p is just...i don't get it.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:03 PM)

TFW can be... literal with the rules sometimes. Like, a discussion about favorite human characters gets LOCKED if you mention Agent Fowler because "all Prime discussion belongs in the RiD forums".

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:48 PM)

Also, as far as TFW's No Politics goes...it's nice in theory but then you end up with the current IDW stories that lean HEAVILY into politics and religion. I've had more than a few lengthy posts exploring the parallels between the IDW Decepticon movement and various real world socialist movements deleted because it was technically "politics." So hug 'em. I really only visit there these days to poke around the podcast subforum.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:45 PM)

My person canon is that the Quintessons created Cybertron as a factory to make the TFers as mechs, but they became self aware and they revolted. then Cybertronian society began to develop and the events of the revolt became mythologised as the stories of the Knights of Cyberton, the Thirteen, etc...real events that became the basis for religion, essentially.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 09:34 PM)

Timeout. Does it convert?

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

.... Wait I think those are actually ninjas

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

Fact: Transformers are mammals. Fact: The purpose of a Transformer is to flip out and kill people

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 06:54 PM)

Transformers are alien space robots from space.]

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:49 PM)

Transformers believe they were created by <X>, others believe they were created by <Y> and/or <Z>. There are lots of theories, disagreements but ultimately nobody knows for sure.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 05:11 PM)

Squid robits build machines. Machines decide they had enough of that and kicked the squid robits off the planet. Everything's pretty chill for a while until machines get mad for dumb reasons and break the planet. THE END

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 04:22 PM)

Primus created Cybertron and The Thirteen. Then later, the Quintessons come to the planet they call Seibertron and use Primus' power; the plasma energy chamber to forge military robots Destrons and consumer robots Cybertrons. The Cybertrons and Destrons rise up and drive the Quintessons away but are unable to live in peace with each other. And so the Cybertron population become the Autobot army and the Destrons become Decepticons, with the Autobots renaming their planet Cybertron. Far far later still, bacteria that was present on the asteroid Primus imprisoned himself within has evolved into organic life within Cybertron...

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:35 PM)

But aside from the ending Trent and Siph made for them at FunPub, the 3H Wreckers comics kinda sucked.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:34 PM)

That's what the 3H Wreckers comics kind of did, actually.

@  wonko the sane? : (27 April 2017 - 03:30 PM)

So, what? The maker of the makers kinda thing?

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 02:55 PM)

My fanon is both the Quintesson and Primus origins. They're compatible.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 02:37 PM)

I prefer the profile book/movie interpretation of the Quintessons, a race whose entire purpose is to capture and execute those who escape Unicron.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 02:03 PM)

I like the Quintesson origin partly because it's a twist on the robot revolution cliche, partly because of the irony of a people uniting against their own creators just to fall into endless civil war, and mostly because i just really like the Quintessons themselves.

@  Diecast : (27 April 2017 - 12:03 PM)

I preferred the Primus origin until it became the more common origin, fiction wise.

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

Since the analogy to humans isn't perfect, it could also be interpreted as closer to "maternity ward."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

I think the most unfortunately named Transformer in their society would probably be Hot Spot, which is like having a human named "Placenta."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

Confusing, I bet.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:58 AM)

I wonder what everyday Transformer society is like where half the population are named after common objects and stuff...

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 April 2017 - 10:53 AM)

I bet Gears hates this.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 AM)

Naturally occuring gears! (hey, if bugs can do it...)

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:00 AM)

They're both better than the Primus origin.

@  unluckiness : (27 April 2017 - 09:56 AM)

The Allspark sucks. I much prefer the quintessons origin.

@  Dracula : (27 April 2017 - 07:23 AM)

I hate the allspark! That's why it's been the only TF forum I've bothered with for almost 10 years!

@  Robowang : (27 April 2017 - 07:13 AM)

As much as I pick on us, that's a really big reason why I like it here too. Plus the traffic isn't so heavy that anything you post gets lost in five minutes.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:00 AM)

The Allspark is one of the first Transformers sites I've been to where there's no weird hero worship of the staff or two or three staffers who are weirdly aggressive about certain transformers related topics and never fail to show it. This is probably the first site in my near two decades in the fandom I can post and not feel I'm a few steps away from falling afoul of some unwritten rule that will cause people to pile on, so yay Allspark.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

*pops in* "Hm, I wonder where the conversation has gone since last night..." *reads* "...huh. I did not see any of that coming."

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

*apart!

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

This board has provided me with the only RP campaign that didn't fall a

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 05:17 AM)

So what? We're disciples of Primus and they're disciples of Unicron?

@  lastmaximal : (27 April 2017 - 04:26 AM)

I'm really not surprised.

@  Nevermore : (27 April 2017 - 04:16 AM)

Well, the users over on TFW in return accuse the Allspark of being an elitist clique that ostracizes everyone who doesn't act like they do (i.e. civil), whereas TFW is more welcoming to everyone regardless of their views.

@  Pennpenn : (27 April 2017 - 03:23 AM)

Hard G. I don't give a solitary shit what the creators call it, the first word in the acronym is "Graphical". I have no idea why they'd think any sane human could, would, or should pronounce it any other way.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 03:13 AM)

I acknowledge what the creators say, but whether I remember to use their pronunciation or not is hit or miss. Heck, I think I usually think of it in my head as "gee-i-ef", in parallel to "JPG" and "PNG".

@  Waspinator : (27 April 2017 - 02:50 AM)

Let's heat things up: what are everyone's opinions on how GIF should be pronounced?

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:11 PM)

But I will say that a lot of fandom forums are generally more tolerable nowadays because most belligerent types stick to Facebook groups

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:09 PM)

I do like their hard no-politics rule. Now that I do the occasional freelance writing for some local politics and I like zero percent of it my hobby space now. But holy cow, do they replace it with neck beard drama.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 10:30 PM)

like Noideaforaname I posted on TFW for a while. I came here after I got harassed for daring to suggest that Play With This Too was run by unoriginal hacks, and yeah. This place so much more preferable.

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

And you're turning us on

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

The terrible secret of the Allspark: We all have this twisted fetish for rational thought processes

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

Not everyone likes everything, and people aren't blind to shortfalls or annoyances resulting from constraints of how the brand is handled. We make many a joke out of these things. But it's a rare thing when entitlement replaces logic on here, where that seems to be poster raison d'etre everywhere else.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:11 PM)

It's utterly weird how these here boards seem so impervious an oasis when it comes to that depth of idiocy. Worshipping 3p and demanding the official companies "step it up" and stop being so lazy? Insisting the movies be done THEIR way, crapping on every single thing revealed about the films or toyline, then whining that they can't find (insert hot movie to here) or the official release of a movie figure doesn't capture the look in the film they hated? Etc

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:09 PM)

It's not even a "brand pissing contest" or "board loyalty" thing, not least due to the fact that those don't really even happen here all that much. I'm just happy to be with levelheaded people who've outgrown the usual fan dumb tropes. You can have a civilized conversation here and people don't shit on things only to hide behind "but but but to each their own right?" when their myopic BS is challenged.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:07 PM)

With each time nonsense like this flares up on tfw or on local discussion venues (and it does quite a bit) I'm just reminded of why I've essentially been allspark bound for the last... Fifteen or so years.


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#1 NightViper

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:05 AM

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Amongst Transformers fans, "Simon Furman" is practically a household name. The writer has been with the brand for twenty-seven years and has played a key role in developing its rich and diversified mythos and deep characterization for giant, talking, alien robots.

Recently he has had the opportunity to revisit the stories he worked on for the Marvel Comics production of Transformers in a new title from IDW Publishing called "Transformers: ReGeneration 1". The first issue, given the number 80.5 in reference to the 80-comic run from Marvel, is scheduled for release during Free Comic Book Day in May. The entire title from IDW will then span from #81 to #100.

The Allspark.com had the chance to chat with Simon Furman about the upcoming series, as well as reflect on the writer's career with the robots in disguise:

1) Since its been so many years since you wrote these particular versions of these characters and so many others have given their own takes on them over the years, do you think of them in the same way as before? For example, Optimus Prime has evolved greatly since the 1980's, taking on characteristics not present in the original representations of the character. (Example: His more aggressive tendencies in the live-action movies). Does Optimus in ReGeneration One take on these aspects, or is he the same as he was twenty years ago?

SF) I like to think this is the exact same Prime I was writing back then, but of course the wealth of Prime stuff I?ve written since can?t help but seep in by a kind of natural osmosis and influence this depiction. That said, and it applies to all characters in RG1, I?m trying to do something very definitive with Prime this time around. I?m taking a hard look at these characters and, given the kind of countdown of issues to #100, trying to make them count ? so every moment they?re on page says something about who and what they are (or will be). I want to show what really makes them tick. The whole Prime-Megatron dynamic really comes under the spotlight in the first arc. I asked myself fundamental questions about both characters and how almost inter-dependent they are. You almost can?t imagine Prime without Megatron and vice versa. All of RG1 is about progression and resolution. So expect Prime (and plenty of other characters) to go through some dramatic changes. But, to answer the last part of your question, I don?t feel entirely comfortable with the Optimus Prime of the movies. In my opinion, and certainly in the way IDW have always approached the character, Prime can only take a life if absolutely ALL other options have been exhausted.

2) Related to that question, did you go back and read any of the Marvel series to refresh yourself on the characterizations and events that had taken place?

SF) Yep. I re-read all 80 issues and Headmasters. Even the original TF/G.I. Joe crossover. I re-read a chunk of relevant UK stories and ?Another Time and Place?, the text story from one of the UK Annuals. Because, even if I wasn?t picking up story strands directly, I wanted to reference (often subtly) as much past content as possible, to really pull everything into this conclusion. There are tons of easter eggs littered through the first arc and beyond. You don?t need to know all the sources to enjoy the story, but if you do you?ll get the nods and winks to other stuff. My aim is to really tie up anything relevant but also to acknowledge what came before. So, there?s a kind of guest appearance by the Cosmic Carnival in #81. It serves the story, but it also feeds back into what?s been established in this universe. I?m trying to strike this balance throughout.

3) How much of the new series is based on unrealized ideas from the end of the Marvel comics run, and how much is based on new ideas?

SF) Mostly new ideas. If we?d had all the issues up to #100 back then, and could bank on that, the story would have unfolded quite differently. Prime would have come back much later than he did. Cybertron would have stayed in flux for much longer. The search for the Last Autobot would have been a kind of quest over a chunk of issues. But instead we had to accelerate all that stuff. So we?re starting off now from as level a playing field as possible, which serves to make it more of a ?jumping on point? for new readers. But some of the core underlying threads we?d have had to deal with back then still apply now. Grimlock?s quest to restore his transformation abilities and help others to whom Nucleon was more bane than blessing. The Megatron/Ratchet situation. The Galvatron paradox. The creatures under Cybertron. And so on. And both Andrew Wildman and I really want to make RG1 count, to be about something fundamental, even theological/philosophical. We?re taking the Transformers to the absolute nth degree ? on a truly universal level. #81-100 will be a journey, both for the characters and, I hope, the reader.

4) How would you sell this series to new fans who may not have been there during the original run and don't have the same emotional or nostalgic attachment to this universe?

SF) I would say, here?s your chance to see a Transformers story both begin (again, we?re on a pretty level playing field as we kick off) and end. Definitively. So you absolutely know that if you jump onboard at #81 (or even #80.5) you?re heading for a definite destination, story-wise. It?s a rarity, when you think about it, in the 27 year plus history of Transformers, to have a tale go all the way to an actual conclusion. And I?d also say that with a conclusion in sight, the gloves are off in terms of what we can and can?t do in RG1. So expect stuff to really matter, and characters to die and stay dead, and events to unfold that will fundamentally shake all your preconceptions about what Transformers is and what it can be. This is where it all began, and now we?re going to finish it in style. I believe that?s something readers will want to be onboard for.

5) What can we be sure we *won't* see in the new continuation?
Addendum: Are there any Transformers concepts that you dislike enough to purposefully avoid when you are writing a story? If so, can we have a few examples?

SF) Well, and no offence to Bob B, there probably won?t be another round of Interplanetary Wrestling, and the Car Wash of Doom has closed its doors for the final time, a sad victim of the current recession. But otherwise there?s almost nowhere we won?t go, no story thread we won?t pick up, IF (and only if) it serves the ongoing story. Sagas like Headmasters, Underbase and Return to Cybertron are defining in and of themselves, and the repercussions of those stories will reverberate through RG1. But I don?t w ant RG1 to be a backwards looking thing. So, often these will be nods or footnotes. Our plan is drive forwards with the cast and storylines we already had, and lace those into new storylines developed wholly for RG1. So a lot of what I?ll be feeding off is contained in my run (#56-80) on the US book. That was kind of where the momentum was at the end, and that?s where we?ll pick up.

6) You keep getting called back to write Transformers. How does it feel to be, much like Peter Cullen, a foundational part of such a large and popular franchise? Has Transformers simply become a part of yourself at this point?

SF) I long ago stopped trying to fight the Transformers tag. It?s simply been too good to me, and underpinned my whole career. So I love being a big part of Transformers, and my aim is to give as much possible back in terms of a truly defining Transformers story. I?m always happiest when Transformers is a part of my workload but not all of it. Currently I?m working on RG1, an animated TV show (Matt Hatter Chronicles) and a movie we can?t talk about ? yet. To me, that?s pretty much a perfect mix. The only thing I?d love to throw in there is a Death?s Head series, but I just can?t (and boy have I tried) convince Marvel to commission one. As for 2012, it just feels like a very big year for me and Transformers. It still amazes me that something I first wrote 27 years ago is still such a major thing in my life, work-wise and personally. But long may it last!

7 ) Were you surprised that you had such a following so many years after your initial work?

SF) Yes. Very. The focused TF ?fan community? just didn?t exist back in the early 90s. So I was astounded when I went to my first Botcon and people not only remembered but liked the stories we told at Marvel. In fact, I was rather caught out. And the next Botcon I made sure I?d gone back and re-read my stuff, so I could answer questions a little more authoritatively. Of course it?s very flattering that what I wrote back then (in kind of isolation) has been enjoyed by and influenced so many people. When I see the likes of James Roberts really emerging as a writer in his own right, and learn they grew up reading my stuff, I take that as the sincerest flattery.

8) One additional Question since it has come up amongst our users so often. As a major player in shaping the Transformers mythos, what is your take on modern fiction such as Michael Bay's movies. What do they do "right" and what do they do "wrong"?

SF) Well, clearly they do an awful lot right. They are pitch perfect for today?s cinema-going audience. You just can?t argue with that kind of consistent and growing box office over the course of the three movies. And technically, they?re brilliant. I think they set a bar for all visual effects movies, and so often others pale by comparison. I?ve never seen live action and CG merged so seamlessly. But I?m probably not the audience for these movies. I love a good kinetic action movie as much as the next guy, but I need more. I need a compelling (and clear) story and character development/arcs. I need to feel for at least one character and follow them on a journey. The film has to say something to me. And so I think that if the movies need one thing it?s that ? a solid, emotional tug that transcends giant battling robots and speaks to the everyman (and woman). To me, the movies need strong character threads, and not just for the human cast. I want to care about the robots too, but often they come across as largely interchangeable with one another.

--Simon

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We'd like to thank Simon Furman for taking the time to answer a few of our questions and for providing what information he could share about his new projects. To stay up to date on everything he is working on, make sure you visit his blog: Simon Fuman - The Blog

Edited by NightViper, 22 February 2012 - 09:11 AM.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:10 AM

I love the sound of Regeneration and Simon's enthusiasm!

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:27 AM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 22 2012, 09:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I love the sound of Regeneration and Simon's enthusiasm!

Randy


Can't wait to add a third MUST BUY, TF comic to my purchase list. If they stagger them right we'll only have one week a month when there's not an awesome TF book to buy. Expensive but awesome.

I hope Blaster and Fort Max can play a decent role in Regeneration. They were Budainsky's "stars" much more than Furman's but they feel so much a part of what the G1 comic was to me.

Despite Optimus Prime existing I always felt he was only a really big focus in the US comic toward the end. The leading men of the US comic to me were:
Buster Witwicky
Ratchet
Blaster
Goldbug
Fort Max/Galen/Spike
Optimus Prime
And then Grimlock

In roughly that order. I'd love to see them all get a curtain call.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:50 AM

Another interview with Simon Furman? I think after the first 3, I've learned all I needed to know to figure out what makes the man tick.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 10:18 AM

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For example, Optimus Prime has evolved greatly since the 1980's, taking on characteristics not present in the original representations of the character. (Example: His more aggressive tendencies in the live-action movies).


You sure have a strange definition of evolution. :\

Sorry, but... G1 Prime is a few dozen evolutionary steps above movie Prime.
In fact, every version of Optimus is way above movie Prime who's like a caveman compared to them.

Edited by D.M, 22 February 2012 - 10:23 AM.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 10:27 AM

Captain CAVEBOT!!!



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Posted 22 February 2012 - 10:28 AM

QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 22 2012, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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For example, Optimus Prime has evolved greatly since the 1980's, taking on characteristics not present in the original representations of the character. (Example: His more aggressive tendencies in the live-action movies).


You sure have a strange definition of evolution. :\

Sorry, but... G1 Prime is a few dozen evolutionary steps above movie Prime.
In fact, every version of Optimus is way above movie Prime who's like a caveman compared to them.


Nonono, it fits. Remember: Evolution is not about getting smarter and better. It's only about adapting to the environment to survive. And if a more aggressive, murderous bastard is fit to survive in the movie market, that's textbook evolution at work.





Okay, not really, but let's not strain the metaphor even further.



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Posted 22 February 2012 - 11:05 AM

QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 22 2012, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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For example, Optimus Prime has evolved greatly since the 1980's, taking on characteristics not present in the original representations of the character. (Example: His more aggressive tendencies in the live-action movies).


You sure have a strange definition of evolution. :\

Sorry, but... G1 Prime is a few dozen evolutionary steps above movie Prime.
In fact, every version of Optimus is way above movie Prime who's like a caveman compared to them.


Evolution. Devolution. Whatever you want to call it, the point is that the most common representation of the character in today's fiction is different from his representation in the 80's. Over the years, he has changed. In some ways subtly, in some ways not so subtle. So to provide a clear example, we chose one of the least subtle changes; his more aggressive/bad-ass qualities from the movies and Prime.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 11:36 AM

QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 22 2012, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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For example, Optimus Prime has evolved greatly since the 1980's, taking on characteristics not present in the original representations of the character. (Example: His more aggressive tendencies in the live-action movies).


You sure have a strange definition of evolution. :\

Sorry, but... G1 Prime is a few dozen evolutionary steps above movie Prime.
In fact, every version of Optimus is way above movie Prime who's like a caveman compared to them.


It's not Bay's fault the audience responds so positively to this more aggressive and Bauer-ish OP.

Edited by Cyoti, 22 February 2012 - 11:37 AM.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:41 PM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Feb 22 2012, 06:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Despite Optimus Prime existing I always felt he was only a really big focus in the US comic toward the end. The leading men of the US comic to me were:
Buster Witwicky
Ratchet
Blaster
Goldbug
Fort Max/Galen/Spike
Optimus Prime
And then Grimlock

In roughly that order. I'd love to see them all get a curtain call.


-ZacWilliam, TF comics havn't been this cool in sooo long...


Noting the conspicuous lack of a certain multimillionaire tycoon on that list...

But seriously, I'd like to see a break-down of how many issues each of these characters appeared in (and, going further, how prominent a role each human had in each). Buster, for example, has two or three definitive arcs, but largely falls off the scene after getting the Creation Matrix back to Prime (Car Wash of Doom being a significant exception, if a one-shot. I do recognize that he's an important plot device later, leading to Spike's role with Fortress Maximus, but he's less an important actor in those events, and he really DOES disappear after being rescued).

I don't think I actually disagree with your late placement of Grimlock. He's become SO important in recent years, but he really didn't do much for nearly two full years after being introduced. Then he was a one-note horrible leader for a while, before disappearing again. When he came back as a Pretender, he again did little. It is only once Grimlock starts the quest for Nucleon that he truly comes into his own in the Marvel comic.

(There is, admittedly, a US bias to these remarks. Deal with it)

Edited by G.B.Blackrock, 22 February 2012 - 12:44 PM.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:52 PM

QUOTE(G.B.Blackrock @ Feb 22 2012, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(There is, admittedly, a US bias to these remarks. Deal with it)


True. I'm not as 100% familiar with the UK issues as with the US but I think if you included them you'd have to add Springer, Ultra Magnus, and Rodimus to the lead character list and Grimlock would be in there much earlier.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 01:06 PM

If RG1 does really well, anyone think they'd continue it further than #100?
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 01:23 PM

The only issue BB wrote from Grimlock's perspective was the one about Trypticon. After that pretty much all of BB's Grimlock-centric stuff was with him as the antagonist, opposite Blaster as BB's most prominent protagonist. After the Powermasters return, I only recall Grimlock having one line of dialogue (sans whatever trash talk he spouts in issue 50) and that's pretty much just him yes-manning Optimus.

Though as far as that list of main characters go, don't you think you should include Ratchet? He had a prominent role in two pretty huge arcs as well as in the first Mechanic issue. Since Furman established him as Prime's bff, I hope there's at least some acknowledgement about his fate at the end of US79... but I feel like the time for that would have been at the end of the original run where there was unfortunately not enough space. Based on the article it sounds like Furman's including "Another Time and Place" which means if there's going to be any acknowledgement of Ratchet's fate, it'll be consigned to a single panel in 80.5.

Otherwise... aside from the garrishly bright and shiny look of the colors I'm really stoked about this.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 01:27 PM

QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 22 2012, 09:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You sure have a strange definition of evolution. :\

Sorry, but... G1 Prime is a few dozen evolutionary steps above movie Prime.
In fact, every version of Optimus is way above movie Prime who's like a caveman compared to them.

That's not what evolution means.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 01:36 PM

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If RG1 does really well, anyone think they'd continue it further than #100?

Oddly enough, no. I think this is actually pretty definitive, and sales won't make that much of a difference.

Even more oddly, I'm pretty okay with that, and I say that as a person who holds the Marvel G1 continuity in higher regard than perhaps any other version of Transformers ever done.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 01:38 PM

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Though as far as that list of main characters go, don't you think you should include Ratchet? He had a prominent role in two pretty huge arcs as well as in the first Mechanic issue. Since Furman established him as Prime's bff, I hope there's at least some acknowledgement about his fate at the end of US79... but I feel like the time for that would have been at the end of the original run where there was unfortunately not enough space. Based on the article it sounds like Furman's including "Another Time and Place" which means if there's going to be any acknowledgement of Ratchet's fate, it'll be consigned to a single panel in 80.5.

You referencing ZacWilliam's list? Ratchet's always been on it.

Also, I don't read the article as including AT&P. That is, although he says he went back and re-read it, I don't see him saying AT&P will be in continuity at all. Rather, he says he's looking to lay Easter eggs.

Edited by G.B.Blackrock, 22 February 2012 - 01:40 PM.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:10 PM

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(There is, admittedly, a US bias to these remarks. Deal with it)

True. I'm not as 100% familiar with the UK issues as with the US but I think if you included them you'd have to add Springer, Ultra Magnus, and Rodimus to the lead character list and Grimlock would be in there much earlier.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:25 PM

This is all kinds of awesome. Man, I hope that someday, I can attend some conference and meet Simon in person. His TF stories were kind of a defining element of my youth.

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The whole Prime-Megatron dynamic really comes under the spotlight in the first arc. I asked myself fundamental questions about both characters and how almost inter-dependent they are. You almost can’t imagine Prime without Megatron and vice versa. All of RG1 is about progression and resolution. So expect Prime (and plenty of other characters) to go through some dramatic changes.


Basically, "What'd you be without me, Prime?" icon-arcee.gif

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But, to answer the last part of your question, I don’t feel entirely comfortable with the Optimus Prime of the movies. In my opinion, and certainly in the way IDW have always approached the character, Prime can only take a life if absolutely ALL other options have been exhausted.


Look DeSanto, somebody who gets what Optimus' key defining features are! Hire him for scriptwriter, for Primus's sake!

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Yep. I re-read all 80 issues and Headmasters. Even the original TF/G.I. Joe crossover. I re-read a chunk of relevant UK stories and ‘Another Time and Place’, the text story from one of the UK Annuals. Because, even if I wasn’t picking up story strands directly, I wanted to reference (often subtly) as much past content as possible, to really pull everything into this conclusion. There are tons of easter eggs littered through the first arc and beyond. You don’t need to know all the sources to enjoy the story, but if you do you’ll get the nods and winks to other stuff. My aim is to really tie up anything relevant but also to acknowledge what came before. So, there’s a kind of guest appearance by the Cosmic Carnival in #81.


The Cosmic Carneval? Man, maybe we will finally find out whatever happened to Big Top! icon-fire.gif And whether he ran out of cigars in that cage...

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But some of the core underlying threads we’d have had to deal with back then still apply now. Grimlock’s quest to restore his transformation abilities and help others to whom Nucleon was more bane than blessing. The Megatron/Ratchet situation. The Galvatron paradox. The creatures under Cybertron. And so on.


I am dying to know whatever will happen to Ratchet. Will he continue to share a mindlink with Megs? Will Megatron be afraid to kill Ratchet, not knowing whether that'd kill him too? So many possibilities.

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And I’d also say that with a conclusion in sight, the gloves are off in terms of what we can and can’t do in RG1. So expect stuff to really matter, and characters to die and stay dead, and events to unfold that will fundamentally shake all your preconceptions about what Transformers is and what it can be. This is where it all began, and now we’re going to finish it in style. I believe that’s something readers will want to be onboard for.


The Furminator has arrived! Let's all draw up a poll and place our bets about who will survive #100!

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Well, and no offence to Bob B, there probably won’t be another round of Interplanetary Wrestling, and the Car Wash of Doom has closed its doors for the final time, a sad victim of the current recession.


That is just hilarious. Ratbat meets the recession! icon-fire.gif

Last but not least, Furman about Bay and the movies!

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8) One additional Question since it has come up amongst our users so often. As a major player in shaping the Transformers mythos, what is your take on modern fiction such as Michael Bay's movies. What do they do "right" and what do they do "wrong"?

SF) Well, clearly they do an awful lot right. They are pitch perfect for today’s cinema-going audience. You just can’t argue with that kind of consistent and growing box office over the course of the three movies. And technically, they’re brilliant. I think they set a bar for all visual effects movies, and so often others pale by comparison. I’ve never seen live action and CG merged so seamlessly. But I’m probably not the audience for these movies. I love a good kinetic action movie as much as the next guy, but I need more. I need a compelling (and clear) story and character development/arcs. I need to feel for at least one character and follow them on a journey. The film has to say something to me. And so I think that if the movies need one thing it’s that – a solid, emotional tug that transcends giant battling robots and speaks to the everyman (and woman). To me, the movies need strong character threads, and not just for the human cast. I want to care about the robots too, but often they come across as largely interchangeable with one another.


Thanks again to everyone who made the interview possible!

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If RG1 does really well, anyone think they'd continue it further than #100?

Oddly enough, no. I think this is actually pretty definitive, and sales won't make that much of a difference.

Even more oddly, I'm pretty okay with that, and I say that as a person who holds the Marvel G1 continuity in higher regard than perhaps any other version of Transformers ever done.


I second that - if anyone can finish a series well, it is Fuman. It'll be epic and definitive for sure.

(And although IDW's Furman/Roche/Roberts material comes close, for me too the Marvel US/UK continuity will be bets version of Transformers. Mostly because it doesn't suffer from myriads of retcons and reboots, but also because it was where the characters we know and love today first gained their defining features.

Edited by BB Shockwave, 22 February 2012 - 02:38 PM.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:59 PM

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The whole Prime-Megatron dynamic really comes under the spotlight in the first arc. I asked myself fundamental questions about both characters and how almost inter-dependent they are. You almost can?t imagine Prime without Megatron and vice versa.


And yet most of the Marvel G1 comic did so just fine...


Actually, I'm pretty excited to see how Furman deals with this particular aspect, but I just had to comment on his assertion that you can't have one without the other, given exactly which continuity we're talking about here....

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 03:02 PM

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You referencing ZacWilliam's list? Ratchet's always been on it.

Also, I don't read the article as including AT&P. That is, although he says he went back and re-read it, I don't see him saying AT&P will be in continuity at all. Rather, he says he's looking to lay Easter eggs.


I just misread. On both counts. Oops. Furman did say he was going to revisit Prime's and Megatron's relationship... so it only makes sense that he would do SOMETHING with the fallout of "Still Life."