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@  Kalidor : (19 July 2017 - 08:46 PM)

https://www.allspark...rive-questions/

@  wonko the sane? : (19 July 2017 - 07:53 PM)

So good it'll whack you in the lobanza.

@  Bass X0 : (19 July 2017 - 06:12 PM)

mafiace cream?

@  Bass X0 : (19 July 2017 - 04:49 PM)

adios mafia.

@  Patchouli Kn... : (19 July 2017 - 03:26 PM)

for ice cream

@  MEDdMI : (19 July 2017 - 02:52 PM)

But he must scream.

@  Benbot : (19 July 2017 - 02:49 PM)

he doesn't have a mouth

@  Benbot : (19 July 2017 - 02:48 PM)

Hoist?

@  Glenn : (19 July 2017 - 11:53 AM)

oops tfsource not bbts

@  Glenn : (19 July 2017 - 11:52 AM)

Does anyone else find Hoist's smile on that MP ad for BBTS slightly disturbing?

@  Bass X0 : (19 July 2017 - 11:39 AM)

In to the darkness, snuffing out the light, fighting for the things you know aren't right

@  Noideaforaname : (19 July 2017 - 09:19 AM)

Snuff out the light, claim your right, to a world of darkness!

@  Bass X0 : (19 July 2017 - 08:33 AM)

Then we must block it out, just like Mr. Burns had foretold.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 July 2017 - 07:23 AM)

Sunlight is overrated.

@  MEDdMI : (19 July 2017 - 05:42 AM)

Your eyes will remain intact behind the sunglasses on top of a pile of ash.

@  Dekafox : (18 July 2017 - 10:27 PM)

What about Ray-Banz sunglasses?

@  MEDdMI : (18 July 2017 - 07:45 PM)

"This sunscreen will protect even vampires from the sun! ....That'll be your soul, please."

@  MEDdMI : (18 July 2017 - 07:44 PM)

Wouldn't a blessing by Satan pretty much be a curse anyway?

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 July 2017 - 06:01 PM)

isn't "Blessed by Satan" an oxymoron?

@  Dracula : (18 July 2017 - 05:11 PM)

basically the sunscreen has to be blessed by satan.

@  MEDdMI : (18 July 2017 - 05:07 PM)

@Dracula what SPF do you nees to not get turned into dust in the sun?

@  Dracula : (18 July 2017 - 04:42 PM)

That's typical summers for where I live. bleh

@  MEDdMI : (18 July 2017 - 04:02 PM)

Isn't it fun when it's so humid, it feels like your eyeballs are sweating?

@  Kalidor : (18 July 2017 - 03:34 PM)

If only we were as progressive in Bea Arthur's day as we are now.

@  Rycochet : (18 July 2017 - 02:27 PM)

I like River Song.

@  D.M : (18 July 2017 - 09:55 AM)

'Cept tougher and, as I've mentioned, more fun. :)

@  D.M : (18 July 2017 - 09:55 AM)

Like, it would basically be the female version of the 1st doctor. :)

@  D.M : (18 July 2017 - 09:54 AM)

I wasn't starting a flame war. That's a real scientific term for natural occuriring sex change. ;) As for Anne Ramsey like actress - would make the show lot more fun. :p

@  Dracula : (18 July 2017 - 09:42 AM)

Let's please not continue this line of discussion. We obviously aren't mature enough to do so.

@  2017 : (18 July 2017 - 09:41 AM)

Thanks mods.

@  Broadside : (18 July 2017 - 08:48 AM)

Oh, for god's sake.

@  D.M : (18 July 2017 - 08:28 AM)

Shit's hitting the fan!

@  2017 : (18 July 2017 - 08:22 AM)

What are you trying to say, Bass?

@  Bass X0 : (18 July 2017 - 08:21 AM)

That is a very 2017 attitude to have.

@  2017 : (18 July 2017 - 08:14 AM)

Um...no. Just call them by the gender they present as, please.

@  D.M : (18 July 2017 - 07:35 AM)

Let's please not try to stir up a flame war in the shoutbox, especially not over sensitive issues like gender.

@  Rycochet : (18 July 2017 - 07:16 AM)

I think the only thing that upsets me about the change of Doctors is no more Michelle Gomez, she was magnificent in the role.

@  Rycochet : (18 July 2017 - 07:15 AM)

Where was this outrage when (the fantastic) Michelle Gomez took over the role of the Master?

@  Pennpenn : (18 July 2017 - 04:29 AM)

Why did that double post?

@  Pennpenn : (18 July 2017 - 04:29 AM)

From what I understand (which could be wrong, or right based on some things but not others) is that Gallifreyans are agender and just appear as/present as particular genders because reasons. Kinda like Transformers.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 July 2017 - 01:55 AM)

Do people on the internet really need a reason to be mad?

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 July 2017 - 10:13 PM)

They need to make a season of the Doctor having two heads, one female and one Male -just- to anger people!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 July 2017 - 09:22 PM)

Would the Doctor count as "transgender" once #13 debuts? Cause the Doctor has literally gone from man to woman. But on the other hand, I haven't heard of real life trans people flipping back and forth. Or for that matter, regenerating like a Gallifreyan.

@  MEDdMI : (17 July 2017 - 04:49 PM)

@Nevermore I'll have to check on that. I never bothered to delete my account, but I also didn't give it my full real name/info

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 July 2017 - 04:41 PM)

Facebook is watching you pee.

@  Nevermore : (17 July 2017 - 04:38 PM)

Facebook still keeps up to date with you. Because of those privacy issues.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 July 2017 - 04:38 PM)

Surprisingly I don't get many Facebook game requests anymore.

@  MEDdMI : (17 July 2017 - 04:38 PM)

Says the guy who's socializing on a live chat box.

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 July 2017 - 04:35 PM)

Social media sites like that are for people who like socializing. I'll stay in my cave.

@  MEDdMI : (17 July 2017 - 04:24 PM)

I used to Facebook years ago. Mostly I got annoyed by all the privacy issues and stupid updates of "Help water my farm!" or whatever.


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Pre-CHUGUR: Looking back at Hasbro's thought processes


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#1 Thylacine 2000

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:06 AM


Have I mentioned recently that it's nice that the ATT archive never ever goes away?

http://groups.google...r...botMasters

QUOTE(Hasbro to fan roundtable - November 2004)
"Think of the Star Wars Vintage Collection series, with old-fashioned
packaging and all-new mold updates of vintage characters. Would that
be interesting for Transformers? Would fans be willing to pay more
money than a toy's size point usually gets, if the money went into
extra detailing and features and/or better packaging? (I asked for
clarification--'do you mean *totally* new updates, or things like
RobotMasters which have already been out for months or years, and so
by the time they come out in America the fans would already have had
the chance to buy them for an equal or lesser amount of money?"
Hasbro: "Assume for the moment we're discussing all-new designs.")


And we saw the first images of resin Classics Starscream and Megatron in June 2005.

Have to wonder just how confident they were, back at that time, in making this decision. Maybe they were really trying to draw a firm line between their core product and the recent animes?


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 01:04 AM

I remember poring over that report, and being genuinely impressed and glad that the conference call had taken place. It was a cool thing to have happen, and has gotten cooler in hindsight.

Edited by lastmaximal, 22 February 2012 - 03:27 AM.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 01:23 AM

I remember doing the same. Shame it hasn't come around again, because I'd say that was really the start of Hasbro's real corporate interaction with the fans, as opposed to strictly convention-related stuff or not-quite-acknowledged stuff like Orson's World. I think the Transformer website's first looks at upcoming stuff kicked in around the same time, too.
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#4 M Sipher

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 03:12 AM

It wasn't the first time they'd done something like this... just the first demi-public one. They'd been kind of ambivalently dipping the toe into "back to G1 kinda stuff" for a bit then.


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#5 lastmaximal

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 03:31 AM

The other reactions in that thread remind me of why it's also fun to look back at FANDOM thought/reaction processes. icon-hotrod.gif


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 07:05 AM

I recall there was something back at BotCon 1997 that got me anticipating basically Classics. An update G1 type line.
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:49 AM

^ You mean... Machine Wars? Although the wiki says that the announcement was made at BotCon 1996, not 1997.

Edited by Item42, 22 February 2012 - 09:49 AM.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:52 AM

No, definitely not.
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#9 Fear or Courage

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 01:18 PM

Man, this just makes me think. When I came into the online fandom during the Beast Era, people would have crapped their pants if they knew in a decade we'd be getting something like Classics. Back then we were happy when Starscream cameo'd in a Beast Wars episode.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:10 PM

Transmetals was sort of a big damn deal, because hey, wheels! icon-fire.gif

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#11 tec

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:10 PM

Someones been useing the Delorean again...

I rember disscussing this back then someone even suggested choping up G1 molds just to give thim ball joints

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 07:04 PM

QUOTE(gargunkle @ Feb 22 2012, 06:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I recall there was something back at BotCon 1997 that got me anticipating basically Classics. An update G1 type line.


Heroes of Cybetron, the original line. Long forgotten - it was to be Action Master style though. But the robots looked a lot better, I especially liked the anime styled designs. I know some site had pics back in the day, not sure if they are still around or not.
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 08:16 PM

QUOTE(GALVATRON I @ Feb 22 2012, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(gargunkle @ Feb 22 2012, 06:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I recall there was something back at BotCon 1997 that got me anticipating basically Classics. An update G1 type line.


Heroes of Cybetron, the original line. Long forgotten - it was to be Action Master style though. But the robots looked a lot better, I especially liked the anime styled designs. I know some site had pics back in the day, not sure if they are still around or not.

Actually, those popped up around 2000, or 2001. I know they appeared during the Beast Machines days, well after Botcon 1997.

I'm not sure what gargunkle is talking about, I do recall reading about the "G1 sequel line with modern engineering and Rodimus, Arcee, and Starscream" being talked about in 1996, but don't recall anything in 1997 (maybe because Machine Wars had hit and such?).


Something I do kind of miss from that era? When homages and remakes were considered special, and it was a TREAT to see such in the mainline. Now? The more recent fans (the ones brought in by Classics and the movie) are just HORRENDOUSLY spoiled (Note: While I joined HERE in 2006, I've been active since 2003 at TFW, and following the line since 1997). For all the complaints about distribution and such, Transformers fans are astoundingly well taken care of. For every wave or two that doesn't see solid saturations, you've already had another half dozen filled with fan favorites.

Edited by Steevy Maximus, 22 February 2012 - 08:18 PM.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 08:41 PM

In my Beast-era rereading I came across a few discussions on a TF G3, some even tied to suposed Toy Fair 96 announcements. It has been fun to read back in assorted eras, knowing what I know now. icon-hotrod.gif


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 10:30 PM

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-What about Star Wars Unleashed? Would TF fans want immobile "action
shots" of major characters like that? (Universal response was 'no'.
Not a single person involved in the conference call had bought any of
the statues or busts, and nobody seemed to like the possibility of an
Unleashed line.)

Considering how unanimous it was, it's surprising that they made Unleashed for the first movie anyway.

QUOTE(Steevy Maximus @ Feb 22 2012, 09:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(GALVATRON I @ Feb 22 2012, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(gargunkle @ Feb 22 2012, 06:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I recall there was something back at BotCon 1997 that got me anticipating basically Classics. An update G1 type line.


Heroes of Cybetron, the original line. Long forgotten - it was to be Action Master style though. But the robots looked a lot better, I especially liked the anime styled designs. I know some site had pics back in the day, not sure if they are still around or not.

Actually, those popped up around 2000, or 2001. I know they appeared during the Beast Machines days, well after Botcon 1997.

It was earlier than that: I remember reading about that Heroes of Cybertron line around the same time that the last episodes of Beast Wars first aired, which was in 1999.

And when I Google "Heroes of Cybertron 1999", I find this: they were unvelied at New Jersey Toy Expo on March 13, 1999.
http://www.reocities...menuHEROES.html

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 11:31 PM

Geez, that takes me back; I'd forgotten those had ever been planned!

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:16 AM

Whoa. I had no idea these even existed.

Odd how everyone has their G1 designs, except for Optimus, who has some kind of proto-U.T. look.

Edit: Upon closer inspection, they're all kind of loose interpretations of their original designs, like modern CHUG. Optimus is just the most obvious one due to his arm and shoulder structure.

Edited by Fear or Courage, 23 February 2012 - 12:18 AM.


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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:32 AM

QUOTE(Moroboshi @ Feb 22 2012, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Geez, that takes me back; I'd forgotten those had ever been planned!

Same here. How time doth fly!

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 02:15 AM

QUOTE(NovaSaber @ Feb 23 2012, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was earlier than that: I remember reading about that Heroes of Cybertron line around the same time that the last episodes of Beast Wars first aired, which was in 1999.

And when I Google "Heroes of Cybertron 1999", I find this: they were unvelied at New Jersey Toy Expo on March 13, 1999.
http://www.reocities...menuHEROES.html

Wow, that page looks really old. Seriously.
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Sadly, it appears that "HEROES OF CYBERTRON" will remain only a concept. An idea that will probably never materialize into the form of an actual toy line.

I guess it never actually got updated. Oddly enough, the site's main page has been updated, and acknowledges that HOC did get made, but not that specific page.

Edited by Item42, 23 February 2012 - 02:23 AM.


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Posted 23 February 2012 - 03:17 AM

I miss 90s style web design this brings me back

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