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@  wonko the sane? : (23 January 2018 - 07:02 AM)

He's actually interfacing with the public and is generally charismatic. He's no more effective than harper, but at least he can work a room.

@  Locoman : (23 January 2018 - 12:39 AM)

-shrugs- He says the right things more often, at least.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2018 - 11:03 PM)

Well is Trudeau an improvement over Harper?

@  wonko the sane? : (22 January 2018 - 10:54 PM)

Most of the country is sick of trudeau, they very well might get in anyway. Might as well vote for the shmuck who actually wants to do good, but will accidentally screw it up, over the shmucks who'll lie about it.

@  TM2-Megatron : (22 January 2018 - 07:14 PM)

Voting NDP is how the Conservatives get in, though

@  wonko the sane? : (22 January 2018 - 07:12 PM)

because the road to hell is, after all, paved with good intentions.

@  wonko the sane? : (22 January 2018 - 07:12 PM)

There isn't one of those in this lot. Vote for the one whom won't deliberately do damage... so NDP.

@  TM2-Megatron : (22 January 2018 - 07:09 PM)

I usually feel an obligation to vote in any election, but I honestly won't know who to vote for next time around. I don't like any of them, and I think the best we can hope for is someone who won't do any more damage

@  TM2-Megatron : (22 January 2018 - 07:04 PM)

Pretending to try to figure out how to undo the absolutely flawless system of wealth concentration they and their predecessors designed

@  TM2-Megatron : (22 January 2018 - 07:04 PM)

Well, they're all off to Davos now, supposedly to lament the horribly skewed wealth distribution that's gotten even worse since last year's meeting

@  wonko the sane? : (22 January 2018 - 07:03 PM)

Conversely, being impressed by politicians isn't something you should be happy about.

@  wonko the sane? : (22 January 2018 - 07:02 PM)

The other side of the canadian coin right now is a harper clone. If trudeau runs again, the choice is NDP or liberal. It all depends on how the NDP plays out under the new guy, but so far I am unimpressed.

@  TM2-Megatron : (22 January 2018 - 07:00 PM)

I don't disagree. Trudeau is a clown and he's been a huge disappointment. I was naive enough to believe he'd actually stick to his word and do something to help the middle class. He's never getting my vote again

@  wonko the sane? : (22 January 2018 - 07:00 PM)

This little raptor is freaking BOSS! Also, I've been drinking, so kinda mellow.

@  wonko the sane? : (22 January 2018 - 07:00 PM)

Been playing with slash for the last hour though, totally worth it.

@  wonko the sane? : (22 January 2018 - 06:59 PM)

After duties and the exchange AND shipping. I'm not even going to bother appealing, it'll take ages and achieve nothing.

@  TM2-Megatron : (22 January 2018 - 06:59 PM)

I assuming it was toys, and those have a 0% duty rate even when the object isn't of North American manufacture. In that case, it just should've been taxes and the processing fee

@  wonko the sane? : (22 January 2018 - 06:58 PM)

We won't get it. Nothing the trudeau government has done has actually helped the end level canadian citizen, and with trump on the other side: it'll only get worse.

@  TM2-Megatron : (22 January 2018 - 06:58 PM)

Wonko, if you feel the customs weren't assessed properly you can always contact them to appeal. Generally, the fee should only be taxes (GST/QST in your case) + duties (if applicable, depending on the type of item where it was made) + Canada Post's processing fee. If the item was properly valued on the parcel, it usually shouldn't reach paid twice territory

@  TM2-Megatron : (22 January 2018 - 06:49 PM)

One of the things I'm hoping comes out of these NAFTA talks (assuming they don't kill it) is Canada adopting an increased duty-free limit. $20 compared to the American's $800 is really ridiculous

@  TM2-Megatron : (22 January 2018 - 06:47 PM)

Stuff sent via more expensive shipping methods, though, might attract their attention more often

@  TM2-Megatron : (22 January 2018 - 06:46 PM)

Although it might depend what method it was sent via USPS. Pretty much the only things I receive from the US anymore in Canada are sent First Class Parcel (which is trackable), and I don't think Customs really scrutinizes those ones that much

@  TM2-Megatron : (22 January 2018 - 06:41 PM)

In fact I almost never get charged. Only when the stated value on the package is in the extreme range, like $300 or more

@  TM2-Megatron : (22 January 2018 - 06:41 PM)

Strange the duties were so high. I've been hit by UPS with their insane fees, but I've always had good experiences with USPS and Canada Post

@  wonko the sane? : (22 January 2018 - 05:36 PM)

USPS then canada post.

@  RichardT1977 : (22 January 2018 - 05:25 PM)

Very carefully, I hope

@  TM2-Megatron : (22 January 2018 - 03:32 PM)

How was it delivered?

@  wonko the sane? : (22 January 2018 - 02:24 PM)

the duties pushed the cost of it into "paid twice" range.

@  Benbot : (22 January 2018 - 02:06 PM)

Well, at least hospitalization won't send you into bankruptcy. There's always that.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (22 January 2018 - 01:52 PM)

o.O

@  wonko the sane? : (22 January 2018 - 01:40 PM)

And not happy anymore. 40 bucks on duties. Free trade my ass.

@  wonko the sane? : (22 January 2018 - 11:26 AM)

Yay! I should get my package from BBTS today!

@  Arazyr : (22 January 2018 - 10:50 AM)

Okay, now I get the snake thing. Thanks for the Pokemon reference. It was a bit after my time... 8^)

@  CastletonSnob : (22 January 2018 - 08:05 AM)

This is a Transformers fansite. Do you like big bots and you cannot lie?

@  Telly : (22 January 2018 - 03:32 AM)

no. was just making a silly/stupid joke

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 January 2018 - 03:22 AM)

Onyx is a stone. Onix is a rock snake. Do you even Pokemon, bro?

@  Telly : (22 January 2018 - 02:44 AM)

could be a rock made of snakes. we just dont know!

@  Foffy : (22 January 2018 - 02:15 AM)

He is a snake made of rock, though

@  Jetstream C-18 : (21 January 2018 - 08:56 PM)

No, Onyx is a snake.

@  Arazyr : (21 January 2018 - 01:12 PM)

Something I only just "got" last night: Of course IDW's GB Blackrock is associated with Onyx Prime. Onyx is a black rock.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (21 January 2018 - 07:37 AM)

Bet a lot of military people won't want to work this monday. ;(

@  Pennpenn : (21 January 2018 - 07:27 AM)

It seems sort of intuitive for a lot of people because it's the first day in the week that you're working.

@  Nevermore : (21 January 2018 - 04:54 AM)

Germany considers Monday the first day of the week.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (21 January 2018 - 01:34 AM)

The judge obviously had a more material motive than the one he claimed, there need to be some serious investigation of that case.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 January 2018 - 05:04 PM)

The reason is even worse. :(

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 January 2018 - 04:34 PM)

That moron is a shame to his profession.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 January 2018 - 09:34 AM)

I just think a Judge going on and Jury Tampering, trying to make the Jury think a sex taffiker is innocent is sickening. *won't say why he did that as that goes in P&R*

@  Sabrblade : (20 January 2018 - 09:21 AM)

Heh, the schedules for my work weeks begin with Saturday

@  wonko the sane? : (20 January 2018 - 07:01 AM)

Thing about the US is... you can say that any time you want as much as you want. You're still going to get shot, but it might not be because you said that though.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 January 2018 - 02:20 AM)

You just did.


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#1 Cat

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:50 AM

Kinda random, I know.

I've been rewatching random G1 episodes, and going through some old TF comics (Marvel, DW, IDW) and noticed a few characters seem to have strong bonds that I hadn't noticed previously.

EG the G1 cartoon - Bluestreak and Ironhide. In MTMTE they're flying together and concerned for the other, and then in 'War Of The Dinobots' we again see Bluestreak doing his best to cover Ironhide, again obviously concerned and looking out for him.

Those two seem like a bit of an odd pairing to me.

Another I noticed is in the comics, Jazz and Wheeljack tend to be paired up quite a bit. This was in the DW and IDW material. Not quite an odd one as Bluestreak/Ironhide, but still something that stood out, and that has been used in more than one continuity in the comics.

So what others ones are there?

Who stands out to you?

And.......why Bluestreak and Ironhide?

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:56 AM

I've always seen Wheeljack as the nutty field tech to Jazz's smooth super spy. I often have them next to each other on my shelf.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 11:20 AM

And of course there's Red Alert and Inferno.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 11:20 AM

Skywarp & Thundercracker in IDW and Fun Pub's Classicverse.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 11:48 AM

Terradive and Jetblade. Their bro-ship is so important it's pretty much the only thing we know about Jetblade.

On a more extensive note, Dreadwind and Darkwing. And UK comic Cyclonus and Scourge.

And the other Cyclonus and Demolishor.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 12:09 PM

Cliffjumper and Mirage. You know...after the whole "Traitor" thing icon-fire.gif

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 12:36 PM

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 12:50 PM

Blaster & Goldbug in Marvel.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:15 PM

One of my all-time favourite TF stories is Marvel issue #23, "Decepticon Graffiti", and it's almost entirely because of the strength of the characters and their relationships. Runamuck and Runabout are one of the only sets of Decepticons that we're shown, in all of G1, having a genuine, hearfelt friendship. these two guys LOVe each other's company, and it's utterly delightful.

I think nearly every other Decepticon 'friendship' is either just a pairing, or something inferred. Even Cyclonus and Scourge aren't really FRIENDS so much as partners... they certainly don't express much affection for each other.

But Runamuck and Runabout delight in going on a massive road trip together, despite the fact that they're horribly destructive monsters. It's really endearing.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:15 PM

Going from the cartoon:
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#11 LV!

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:27 PM

QUOTE(Boltax @ Feb 21 2012, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Even Cyclonus and Scourge aren't really FRIENDS so much as partners... they certainly don't express much affection for each other.

I think the lack of affection is what makes them so believable. I don't know about you, but my friends and I spend a lot more time busting each other's balls than we do talking about how lucky we are to have each other...but when it comes down to it, with Cyclonus and Scourge yelling at each other about whether or not it was the right time to shoot Death's Head, Cyc backs down because Scourge says "look, he shot me once, so I shot him back". I can't imagine a Decepticon like Cyclonus accepting that as justification for cooling down unless Scourge's well-being, or at least feelings, were important to him.

And now I feel like Raksha.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:32 PM

Ramjet and Rumble in "A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur's Court." Ramjet even calls him "little buddy."


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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:33 PM

You know what LV? You're right. In fact, you made me think of another one -- the Dinobots.

The Dinobots specifically in the UK comics stories "In the National Interest" and "Grudge Match". In the first story the Dinobots act so much like family/old friends. They bicker, and make fun of each other, and generally banter in such a natural, friend-shippy way. In the second story it's more about pure loyalty -- where the Dinobots come in and beat the crap out of the Predacons, all to save Swoop's pride, as much as saving his arse.

There's a bit of that in "King of the Hill", too, (Marvel US #27) but I think it's strongest in the two UK stories I cited.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:52 PM

QUOTE(Boltax @ Feb 21 2012, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Dinobots specifically in the UK comics stories "In the National Interest" and "Grudge Match". In the first story the Dinobots act so much like family/old friends. They bicker, and make fun of each other, and generally banter in such a natural, friend-shippy way.

Everyone laughs at Swoop being stuck between modes, but if, like, Cliffjumper or Jazz had shown up and laughed at him? They'd be dead men.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 02:55 PM

I guess I'm kinda stuck at the moment, thinking about Decepticon relationships.

A common thing in Decepticon relationships is a kind of really one-sided loyalty thing, where the leader has this one guy who is super-ultra-over-the-top loyal to him, but for whom he doesn't really show any affection. Other than that... real realtionships among the Decepticons that aren't built on animosity seem... rare.

So yeah you get your G1 Cartoon Cyclonus, or your Scorponok (or Inferno) in Beast Wars. But those sorta... close friendships are relatively rare.

I think in the G1 cartoon the only Decepticons I can think of who show real genuine loyal comraderie are the Insecticons. They stick together, they back each other's plays. They're a real team. Still... it feels as much like them just sticking together because they're different to other Decepticons as it is them being actual FRIENDS.

Rumble and Frenzy seem to like Soundwave, I guess, or at least have some loyalty to him, based on them defending him in the movie. Though there's absolutely nothing I can think of that shows he actually likes them. The G1 cartoon is actually generally a problematic source for trying to determine actual RELATIONSHIPS between characters.

Oh... of course.

Ransack and Crumplezone! Those two are totally Decepticon BFFs!

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 02:59 PM

Rhinox and Rattrap were pretty good buds.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 03:01 PM

QUOTE(Wingus @ Feb 21 2012, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Rhinox and Rattrap were pretty good buds.


Except when Rhinox voted against him and for Dinobot.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 03:06 PM

QUOTE(Cat @ Feb 21 2012, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And.......why Bluestreak and Ironhide?


If they were paired together (I never noticed it) I'd suggest it was because of their voice actors. Casey Casem and Peter Cullen, respectively. Those two would have been employed for nearly every episode -- they also played Teletraan 1 and Optimus Prime. So getting them to play their secondary characters would be cheaper than getting in other voice actors (though there were also rules about how much they COULD double up, which makes it all the more complex).

I would also question the credibility of "they're on screen at the same time a lot" as evidence of them having a specific friendship.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 03:16 PM

QUOTE(NightViper @ Feb 21 2012, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Wingus @ Feb 21 2012, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Rhinox and Rattrap were pretty good buds.


Except when Rhinox voted against him and for Dinobot.

Man, being friends with Rattrap doesn't mean Rhinox has to vote for him - stuff he knew about Rattrap as a friend might have swayed that vote away, after all. icon-fire.gif

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 03:26 PM

Japanese Tigatron and Airazor

O_o

and Cheetor and Tigatron, Terrorsaur and Waspinator hung out...

hmm?

I don't know how to pare up the G1 season 3 cast... most of them didn't seem to have exclusive bffs...
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