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@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 08:07 AM)

And humans are perfectly capable of hating things in unison while being divided on liking.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:34 AM)

On the other hand, there's a world of difference between "I hate RID" and "I hate Nazis."

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:27 AM)

On one hand, "hating what I hate" IS "liking what I like." One of those cultures can't be worse than the other because they're literally the same culture.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:26 AM)

I think that comparison is both an oversimplification AND a meaningless distinction.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 07:16 AM)

That's the internet effect. Distance and anonimity make for easy and consequence-less extremism.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 06:58 AM)

I think the aggressive "How dare you not hate exactly what I hate" culture online is worse than the aggressive "How dare you not like exactly what I like" culture.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 06:19 AM)

And now that song/scene and its many many parodies are running through my head.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 06:18 AM)

Patrick Swayze didnt!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:58 AM)

lol. As long as they knock first.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

Or as ghosts. I guess ghosts would be acceptable.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

For now, I'd just find some small comfort in knowing those who have passed actually are in some sort of better place.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:56 AM)

I'd find comfort in knowing that one way or another, that suffering would eventually end and a new, potentially happier beginning awaits.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:54 AM)

@LBD At the same time, I can't imagine wanting to stay in even a happy afterlife when fleshies are still suffering.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:49 AM)

Celebrating and welcoming death just gives them more ideological hoops to justify killing others. So yeah, no thanks.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

The idea of death doesn't bother me so much as no longer existing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

at the very least, my body will feed the grass which feeds the antelope which feeds the lio- ....wait

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Yeah, that's kind of the thing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Some cultures celebrate/welcome death (of course, those also have some form of afterlife)

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

You shouldn't be. What with having absolutely no knowledge or control over it.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

Death is scary, which is why we either spend our lives avoiding the subject or staying up late overthinking it.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

"Never did want to live forever." I'm more bothered about what -- if anything -- is next.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

Though I think the brain is a finite storage space so you'd probably start forgetting so much after some point it'd be like a new person transitioning in every few centuries. That'd be a good reason to keep a diary.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:43 AM)

I think immortality is possible biologically in the future, or at least living for vastly longer spans of time. I'd personally be happy to live at least a few thousand years, but I'd aim for forever.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:34 AM)

@MEDdMI Oh man, that bugs me all the time.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:33 AM)

Well, yesterday was a depressing bout of thinking I was going to get TR Hot Rod and then not getting TR Hot Rod after all (among other things).

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

Which is also something that bugs me about the "your dead loved ones are always watching you" concept. Do you mind? I'd like a little privacy, please!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:30 AM)

Even if it was possible, I can't help but think people would skip to the "good" parts, like sex.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

exactly.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 05:21 AM)

Besides the fact that it's all silly sci-fi scenarios, you can't just experience a memory and feel what that person felt since you have your own set of perceptual biases by which to judge the event

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 05:19 AM)

We already have something like that. It's called history class.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:18 AM)

"But in my ancestor's memory, they stole our orange first!"

@  Nevermore : (26 April 2017 - 05:14 AM)

"Your great-great-great-great-grandfather stole my great-great-great-great-grandfather's apple! I will kill you for that!"

@  Nevermore : (26 April 2017 - 05:14 AM)

If we had all our ancestors' knowledge, too many people would just use that as a excuse to continue old grudges for generations.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:13 AM)

I remember the same event a bit differently than my parents do, some things I'm sure happened but they don't remember or vice versa, etc.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:12 AM)

the problem with knowledge and memories is that our brains interpret/fill in gaps so it may not be completely accurate. It wouldn't be much different from autobiographical books/movies.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:37 AM)

yeah...this could just end up as a way for them to sell our grandkids Crystal Pepsi Max

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:35 AM)

Well, maybe this facebook mind reading thing I've been hearing about is the first step to that.... though I have to admit I'd prefer if it weren't such an advertising and data-collection obsessed company working on it

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:25 AM)

i'm legitimately hoping for the day when that happens, my snark aside, TM2-Megatron. Imagine what could be accomplished if future generations had first hand knowledge of the thoughts and contexts of the events that shaped their ancestors', and their own, world?

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:24 AM)

Even if it's just a way to download knowledge and memories without consciousness from a brain, I think that would go a long way towards easing people's minds.

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:22 AM)

I dunno; like life itself I think the things that define it are open to change. It's not like I have grand expectations of immortality, constantly downloading my consciousness into freshly-grown genetically-enhanced clones of myself. But I think it's a waste for so much accumulated experience and memories to just wink out.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:21 AM)

or something

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:21 AM)

all semblence of order our purpose are symtoms of the sickness in man's ego mad mind. sense is not possible until the end.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:19 AM)

existence is a vulgar absurdity

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 03:18 AM)

Eh, death is part of what defines life. Sooner we accept that it's just a thing that happens, the better.

@  Pennpenn : (26 April 2017 - 03:13 AM)

Probably be easier to develop that kind of thing if a significant portion of the population didn't think it was going to happen anyway for no adequately explainable reason.

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 02:42 AM)

Death doesn't terrify me, but I have to admit I find the notion of its inevitably more than a little disappointing. I'd hope there's eventually some way to preserve our minds in some form prior to death

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 01:55 AM)

Or maybe some broken kid in a giant cyborg will turn us all into tang. Who knows what the future brings?

@  Waspinator : (26 April 2017 - 01:52 AM)

As someone terrified of death, I for one welcome our transhumanist singularity overlords.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 01:52 AM)

Our grandchildren's grandchildren's grandchildren's grandchildren will be less than dust before heat death matters anyway.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 01:51 AM)

Signularity is a meaningless buzzword, like a lot of this transhumanist late-game stuff.


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Differences between United Windcharger, Warpath, & Thunderwing


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#1 Powered Convoy

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 12:38 AM

Look for galleries to come sometimes Sunday, but I got mine in today (as well as Megatron, and Rodimus a couple days ago).

I figured I'd go over the differences in these figures as some are hard to tell and may not be picked up in photos.

Windcharger
Windcharger obviously has the painted Autobot symbol versus the rub symbol on the RtS version. The light gray plastic on RtS Windcharger is significantly darker on the United version. It's a warm medium-light gray. The darker gray is also a bit darker on the United one. Also quite noticeable is the red plastic, while pretty much the same color as the RtS, while the RtS one had a swirl plastic the United one has a sparkle fleck plastic. It's quite nice looking. The gray paint on the United one is a bit darker too to go along with the darker gray plastics.

Warpath
Generations Warpath's brown/red is changed to a brick red almost identical to the original toy's red. The gray on his waist and portions of the tank are now darker (think the Legends Universe figure to the Henkei version). The United figure's hands are almost black compared to the dark gray of the Generations figure. The Z0W-333 and K4-90W are not present on the United one, it also has a silver outline Autobot symbol (with no color in it) instead of a black Autobot symbol. A nice surprise, unlike the Generations figure, is that United Warpath's head is actually cast in the same red as the rest of his body and not gray plastic painted over - not sure if TakaraTomy changed the molding for this to be possible or Hasbro just molded it in gray for some strange reason (it's akin to the whole Jazz with the painted forearms thing). Also Warpath's shoulder emplacements are still gray and not red like in some pictures.

Thunderwing
Thunderwing has more differences than I was expecting. The obvious changes are the arms are now a dark gray instead of green, the thighs and side waist panels are black instead of green, the purple is now a very light purple (lilac), and the clear orange is now a clear cherry color (different than Sky Shadow's clear red). The Decepticon symbols on are lighter on the United figure and the blue a bit darker. The lime green paint and grayish green paint is now a high gloss forest green (quite striking). The main white/light gray color of Generations Thunderwing is more of an off-white - definitely lighter than the Generations figure, less of a very light tan and more of an off-white. Despite the white color being lighter and the purple being lighter, the figure seems a lot darker than the Generations figure due to almost all the other colors getting darker. He looks very nice and overs a bit more color diversity to the other version.

As for the other figures (Wipeout, Rodimus, and Megatron) they are all very striking in their own rights. Megatron in particular really stands out, and thankfully his mouth looks quite definied with the light purple paint. I went over Rodimus in the other thread, Wipeout on the other hand uses the same light gray as United Windcharger and swaps the sparkle red for black and the dark gray for blue (plus different paint colors).

While I thought this was a weak wave overall (mainly due to the lack of changes that appeared in the figures) each figure ended up being nicer than I had expected due to the changes. I'm happy to add them to my collection.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 12:46 AM

One other thing, United Thunderwing's shoulder cannon/spike things are way more rubber than the Generations one or the Sky Shadow's. I imagine we'll be seeing someting similar on BotCon Metalhawk. Though you'd think a change like this wouldn't happen at TakaraTomy's level, I'm don't know if it was something that ever showed up on Sky Shadow's. But this isn't the first time a seemingly safety change showed up on a TakaraTomy figure rather than on a Hasbro one.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:47 AM

Yeah we all know the drill, all Takara Tomy versions are bling bling beauties, aren't they? icon-waspy.gif

I hope Hasbro releases this G2 Megs soon so I don't have to pay the import markup to have him lead my Classics G2 squad. And hopefully this Windcharger mold gets released as Decepticharge with better distribution.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 04:34 AM

QUOTE(Megatoron @ Feb 5 2012, 12:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah we all know the drill, all Takara Tomy versions are bling bling beauties, aren't they? icon-waspy.gif


As far as I understand, these ones aren't blinged out like the previous United releases. Maybe a tad more paint apps than standard, but that's about it. Just straight-up deco changes.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 04:36 AM

Thanks for the rundown Randy. Still wish they had done more with Windcharger and Wipe Out, but at least the tiny tweaks were to the positive.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 09:25 AM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 5 2012, 12:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The gray on his waist and portions of the tank are now darker (think the Legends Universe figure to the Henkei version). The United figure's hands are almost black compared to the dark gray of the Generations figure.


On mine, the silver plastic, gunmetal plastic and gunmetal paint on the hands are identical between the two versions. Are you sure it's not the contrast with the lighter red tricking your eye?

His left foot also doesn't lock into place nearly as well/easily as the Generations one's, but that may be an issue with the pin placement rather than the tooling or plastic.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 09:37 AM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 5 2012, 12:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Look for galleries to come sometimes Sunday, but I got mine in today (as well as Megatron, and Rodimus a couple days ago).

I figured I'd go over the differences in these figures as some are hard to tell and may not be picked up in photos.

Windcharger
Windcharger obviously has the painted Autobot symbol versus the rub symbol on the RtS version. The light gray plastic on RtS Windcharger is significantly darker on the United version. It's a warm medium-light gray. The darker gray is also a bit darker on the United one. Also quite noticeable is the red plastic, while pretty much the same color as the RtS, while the RtS one had a swirl plastic the United one has a sparkle fleck plastic. It's quite nice looking. The gray paint on the United one is a bit darker too to go along with the darker gray plastics.


Um.

Mine are absolutely identical, minus the rub sign.

No plastic color differences whatsoever.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 09:41 AM

I'm kind of glad Takara went plain jane on these so I don't feel compelled to get the significantly more expensive Japanese versions.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 09:43 AM

QUOTE(Megatoron @ Feb 5 2012, 03:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hope Hasbro releases this G2 Megs soon so I don't have to pay the import markup to have him lead my Classics G2 squad. And hopefully this Windcharger mold gets released as Decepticharge with better distribution.

That's not going to happen. Well the G2 Megs thing, and since Scouts don't exist any more I wouldn't count on a Decepticharge.

QUOTE(GALVATRON I @ Feb 5 2012, 04:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks for the rundown Randy. Still wish they had done more with Windcharger and Wipe Out, but at least the tiny tweaks were to the positive.

Yeah I was happy to see they were differences.

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QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 5 2012, 12:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The gray on his waist and portions of the tank are now darker (think the Legends Universe figure to the Henkei version). The United figure's hands are almost black compared to the dark gray of the Generations figure.


On mine, the silver plastic, gunmetal plastic and gunmetal paint on the hands are identical between the two versions. Are you sure it's not the contrast with the lighter red tricking your eye?

His left foot also doesn't lock into place nearly as well/easily as the Generations one's, but that may be an issue with the pin placement rather than the tooling or plastic.

The gun metal plastic looks the same but the gray/silver plastic appears a tint darker, but it may be the surrounding colors playing tricks on my eyes or just normal batch variation changes. I'm figuring the hands may look like that due to the underlying color underneath (I took the appearance of the silver looking different, which I didn't mention, owing to that).

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 02:20 PM

Re: Your ridiculous Windcharger claims

I demand satisfaction!

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:12 PM

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Re: Your ridiculous Windcharger claims

I demand satisfaction!

Hmm? I see you have the United one based on the Wiki page, I take it you have the RtS one too? Take a close look at them. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:19 PM

I did. I've been taking a close look at them since Friday. When I am not typing this, I have one of them in each hand.

They are perfectly identical.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:59 PM

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 04:18 PM

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I did. I've been taking a close look at them since Friday. When I am not typing this, I have one of them in each hand.

They are perfectly identical.

The two different shades of light gray.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 04:23 PM

The two reds, one with sparkles (United on the right) one without (RtS on the left). The color red is identical, it's the flecks that are not.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 04:27 PM

You can see the painted gray is different in this picture, as well as the darker gray a hair darker on the United one (the paint was obvious in the Alfes' Blog images too).
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 05:16 PM

And that's what you mean by "the gray on the United version is significantly darker"?

The differences are negligible, to the point where it's impossible to say if the slight blueisher tint in one photograph is due to the camera's attitude at that hour of the day or we're just looking at something well within the margin of batch variation.

If by some miracle of something you're actually right, I wonder which guy at Tomy was sitting down and wondering how much time he could waste by imperceptibly changing the color breakdowns .0001% bluer.

Edited by Code of Walky, 05 February 2012 - 05:24 PM.


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Posted 05 February 2012 - 05:22 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Feb 5 2012, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And that's what you mean by "the gray on the United version is significantly darker"?

It was late. icon-fire.gif I will also concede that the dark gray plastic is the same, but the red and the light gray (and the gray paint) are not. icon-hotrod.gif

Here are a couple more pics. icon-ironhide.gif
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United is on the right in both pictures.

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Edited by Powered Convoy, 05 February 2012 - 05:24 PM.



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Posted 05 February 2012 - 05:23 PM

Randy, you have like, super-vision, or something.

I forgot that spaghetti was a pasta really.


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Posted 05 February 2012 - 05:24 PM

QUOTE(Item42 @ Feb 5 2012, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Randy, you have like, super-vision, or something.

I guess, some things stand out to be obvious to me, other times the surrounding colors will play tricks on me.

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