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@  Maximus Ambus : (23 January 2019 - 03:47 PM)

LOL bananas

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:37 AM)

Either way, I'd stick to the definitions of the people who actually work in the field and know what they're talking about over incredibly loose unhelpful ones 

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:34 AM)

Which fossils and genetic sequencing proved were quite different from wolves as we know them. Which is kind of the point, since while domesticated organisms changed genetically, so have their wild counterparts.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:34 AM)

I mean, even more extreme would be to ask if cows would turn back into aurochs. They'd go feral or exitinct, but they wouldn't revert.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:33 AM)

Don't be ridiculous. The domesticated dog wasn't derived from the modern wolf. Both descended from a common ancestor

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:33 AM)

Then they are still Geneticly modified. ;P I mean hell, in a lot of cases, there is very little difference between removing a gene and making it dormant. Anyways. Gotta run, stuff to do right now. Have fun.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:32 AM)

The ones that survived would be more wolf like, but they wouldn't be wolves. And in a lot of cases without human intervention most of the heavily modified animals and plants wouldn't survive a "few generations".

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:31 AM)

Are you saying, given a few years (relativily speaking) of no humans, dogs will return to wolves?

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:30 AM)

Within a few generations without human intervention, the same traits resurface. because again, the genes aren't changed. Only the population.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:28 AM)

The genes for those traits are still present though. You're not manipulating the genotype, rather than the phenotype of the population.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:26 AM)

The fact that it's a more indirect method compared to, say, CRISPR is irrelevant.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Selective breeding is a form of genetic manipulation, since you're restricting or eliminating unfavored genetic patterns from being expressed in the target organisms.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:25 AM)

As it should be... People whine about GMO, but most of it is because they don't understand that biotech is usually just a faster way of doing the exact same thing thousands of years of crossbreading does.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:20 AM)

You can call it whatever you like, but again, that definition is so wide as to be worthless and few people would agree with the definition.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:20 AM)

The commonly accepted definition of "genetic modification" by the scientific community involves biotechnology and direct manipulation of genetic material

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:13 AM)

But.. While slower.. That's -exactly- what crossbreeding is.. Genetic modification.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:02 AM)

Which is patently ridiculous. They didn't modify the genetic makeup of these organisms; just manipulated the odds of traits deemed as favorable being expressed. 

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 07:53 AM)

By that definition, literally everything that humans have domesticated is a GMO.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 07:44 AM)

Why? It's completely geneticly modified to be almost completely distinct from what a real banana is.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:52 AM)

By looser definitions of GMO. So loose as to be worthless pretty much.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 06:35 AM)

So.. All banannas that anyone eats.. organic or not.. is a GMO..

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 06:23 AM)

Aren't they usually called palatains? But yeah, the only reason those cultivars survive at all is because of humans.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:16 AM)

That said, there are still wild banana plants which do reproduce sexually. If you don't mind gigantic seeds in them.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:16 AM)

This makes them highly susceptible to disease due to the stagnant genetic pool and inability to adapt.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:15 AM)

The domesticated kind reproduced asexually, meaning that the ones present today have the genetics of the same banana plants circa whenever bananas were domesticated

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 January 2019 - 04:53 AM)

Why would they be?

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 January 2019 - 04:07 AM)

Shouldn't banana's be extinct now?

@  MEDdMI : (22 January 2019 - 11:38 PM)

:p You leave my male harem alone.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 11:27 PM)

Yeah, but unfortunately, it was Fire Emblem Fates.

@  MEDdMI : (22 January 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Fire Emblem Fates didn't force the gay pairings to have kids, not even for adoption. Granted, there were only 2 canon gay/bi options amoungst a sea of hetero, but still.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 10:27 PM)

It pissed off more people than usual since when the game was getting hyped much was made that you could have your character be gay as the first of May, and also the fact that the achievement for that event in the DLC was called "Growing Up"

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 10:19 PM)

Never played the game, but that works as well! Textbook mindless natalism.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 10:15 PM)

Huh, I figured you were talking about that Assassins Creed Oddessy DLC that forces your character to have a kid regardless of your choices, previous behaviour, or current situation.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:16 PM)

Some context: I am bemoaning the fact that Modern Family is currently demonstrating why it should have already ended. Because not only it is making its annoying characters even worse, but Haley's storyline is taking her in a direction I hate.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:08 PM)

So when a lazy cop-out in the story happens, I'm going to object to the shoehorning.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:05 PM)

I think you misunderstand me. History is rife with instances wherein having children turned out not to be the right decision, and people with normal intelligence saw it coming. So people like myself find it infurating when television writers broadly pretend this doesn't happen.

@  Shrug : (22 January 2019 - 09:02 PM)

So it's not weird that it shows up in a lot of fiction. Since it shows up in a lot of nonfiction.

@  Shrug : (22 January 2019 - 09:01 PM)

But you know, like... the majority of people do it.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 08:49 PM)

And no characters call out this course of action for the stupidity it is. Believe it or not, not everyone is cut out to have kids, and having children is not an extraordinary life accomplishment.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 08:48 PM)

Yup. Like writers knocking up a (usually female) character for no good reason, often when said character has not previously expressed the desire for children, or children would heavily set back their life plans, or the other biological parent is not a good relationship partner.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 07:29 PM)

I mean, there's more to it, and varying levels of related concepts and blah blah blah, but I'm not gonna go further in the shoutbox.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 07:27 PM)

It's the "everyone's gotta make babies" school of thought. It varies but in media it manifests as "all characters end up married with kids or dead". For contrast an anti-natalist concept would be China's One Child policy.

@  Locoman : (22 January 2019 - 06:28 PM)

.... pro-natalist?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 06:10 PM)

Pro-natalist clichés in fiction are overrated. But no Hollywood writer can come up with new ideas. Argh.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 10:05 AM)

How does the giant gimmicky Bumblebee toy have such an incredible leg transformation compared to the MPM

@  lastmaximal : (22 January 2019 - 09:27 AM)

I mean it's Vigo. We are like the buzzing of flies to him.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 05:51 AM)

Perfectly. His talent is only surpassed by Tommy Wiseau

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 January 2019 - 04:57 AM)

How well he can play them is another story.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 04:34 AM)

Blasphemy. Nicolas Cage can play anybody.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 03:34 AM)

I'm just glad we're in a timeline where Nicolas Cage was too busy to play Aragorn in Lord of the Rings. As much as I may like Cage, there was no way he could have done that and Viggo was infintely better for the part.


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Posted 04 February 2012 - 02:49 PM

http://www.tfw2005.c...devastator.html

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um i can't figure out the head...but it looks rather big

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 02:53 PM

Looks promising.


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Posted 04 February 2012 - 02:54 PM

T-t-t-t-translucent purple blocks.... Kre-O energon cubes?? icon-hotrod.gif

(Yeah, I know, not what I should be focusing on, but this would be like the only time we got energon cube toy that were a decent scale for the rest of the line!)

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 02:57 PM

Okay, I need that. That looks so awesome.

There's a solid black piece that could very well be the head. I assume it won't be solid black on the final release.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 02:58 PM

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Is that... Kre-O Acid Storm?!

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Yay! I might have another toy!

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 03:01 PM

Judging by lack of wings, could be just a place holder for Kreon G1 Devastator, since these usually come with themselves.
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Posted 04 February 2012 - 03:07 PM

I"m not really impressed, seen better looking fan customs.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 03:21 PM

QUOTE(Esser-Z @ Feb 4 2012, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay, I need that. That looks so awesome.

There's a solid black piece that could very well be the head. I assume it won't be solid black on the final release.
Oh, good. I though I was SUPPOSED to be looking at the yellow-and-black-with-a-little-blue assembly up top and muttering 'WTF?' to myself.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 03:22 PM

QUOTE(Spark @ Feb 4 2012, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Judging by lack of wings, could be just a place holder for Kreon G1 Devastator, since these usually come with themselves.


Entirely possible! On the other hand - after blowing up and brightening the image - it looks like none of the Kreon construction workers actually have faces.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 03:25 PM

I bet that surrounding playset can be built up pretty awesome when Devastator isn't constructed.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 04:14 PM

Bananas! I'll get it. Love the drill and the dark energon.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 06:34 PM

Is that a mini-G1-Devastator in the bottom right? If so, that's soooo awesome.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 07:41 PM

The placeholder Kreons interest me. I'm hoping we see most of those humans replaced with actual Tfs. I'd hate for the ballance on Kreons to swing so badly towards human Kreons, since, well, who gives a crap about them?

The 'construction environment' looks underwhelming to say the least. Also I would be utterly SHOCKED if those base plates were really part of the toy -- they're just too vast, they're clearly just part of this display. This unfinished, prototype display.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 07:47 PM

I really hope this is the standard Hasbro holds to for future Devastators, because this is awesome.

I still like DotMRotF Devastator better, but I really like this too.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 09:16 PM

DotM, Devastator?

Anyway, I'm guessing this Kre-o set can be rebuilt into a bunch of little vehicles, right?

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 09:40 PM

The Toy Fair UK report said something about that it could be assembled into three or four Constructicons in either robot or vehicle form. I don't quite remember, but yes.

I also welcome our new multicolored Constructicon overlords.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 09:52 PM

QUOTE(Boltax @ Feb 4 2012, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The placeholder Kreons interest me. I'm hoping we see most of those humans replaced with actual Tfs. I'd hate for the ballance on Kreons to swing so badly towards human Kreons, since, well, who gives a crap about them?

Gotta have human dudes for those giant figures to rampage over.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 10:48 PM

QUOTE(Item42 @ Feb 4 2012, 09:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
DotM, Devastator?

Anyway, I'm guessing this Kre-o set can be rebuilt into a bunch of little vehicles, right?

A herp a derp, I kinda forgot about RotF for some insane reason.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 10:49 PM

QUOTE(Cabooceratops @ Feb 4 2012, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Item42 @ Feb 4 2012, 09:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
DotM, Devastator?

Anyway, I'm guessing this Kre-o set can be rebuilt into a bunch of little vehicles, right?

A herp a derp, I kinda forgot about RotF for some insane reason.


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Posted 05 February 2012 - 02:03 AM

Maybe it's just that picture, but I'm not really feeling it.

Mostly it's the head. That picture really make it look... weird. I mean, more so that it already was.

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