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@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 06:35 PM)

I loved what was there, and think it's pretty ripe for "renegades" style reboot.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 03:13 PM)

It's a shame as I loved Spiral Zone, and the design from the Japanese Toyline of the same name are fantastic, I adore the monowheel motorbike.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 03:12 PM)

Hasbro doesn't seem to have any interest in doing anything with the TV show, haven't greenlit any attempt to rerelease it, and there have been approaches, so I think it may be aother one of Tonka's legal carcrashes where everyone involved owns a piece and it's not really worth anyone sticking their neck out to claim ownership.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 01:47 PM)

I feel that homages and references would be a fun way to expand the GI Joe brand, and give a little love to lines that are unlikely to be acknowledged beyond such capacity.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 01:47 PM)

I was under the impression that Bandai was more the character design aspects, not story or characters.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 12:55 PM)

Also isn't it in rights limbo, given how it's loosely based on concepts from a BanDai series much like GoBots?

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 12:52 PM)

We don't need a Spiral Zone reboot, in a decade or so we'll be living it.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 12:49 PM)

Yeah, but it would fundamentally change the base premise of both gijoe and spiral zone. It's either not the world spanning threat it was, or the zone riders are backed up by a competent force. Either way, you compromise the context of both.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:19 PM)

Akin to what was done with Matt Tracker in 2008.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:18 PM)

Again, not a PURE transplant, but an integration of ideas and concepts into the world of GI Joe.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:18 PM)

@Wonko The Cobra Overlord, with help from Dr. Mindbender and Cesspool, develops machines capable of generating a mind-controlling fog. GI Joe stalwarts Flint, Airtight, Lifeline, and Psyche-Out are joined by Colonal Courage to infiltrate these zones and disable the machines. Figures would sport hostile environment suits (Eco warriors cross with Spiral Zone) and make new versions of the mono-wheel vehicles.

@  Maximus Ambus : (19 September 2020 - 09:39 AM)

Hasbroverse.2 with bought properties: Bravestarr, Ulysses 31, Galaxy Rangers, Shadow Raiders, Manta Force, Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors, Mighty Orbots, Jem and Bigfoot and the Muscle Machines. Seamless.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 08:32 AM)

While acknoledging spiral zone would be pretty boss, I doubt they could actively integrate it into anything else: given the scale of the villains deeds.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 08:03 AM)

COPS, Spiral Zone, Shadow Strikers, Action Man, Centurions, MegaForce. They wouldn’t replicate the old lines, but simply acknowledging their existence would be nifty.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 08:01 AM)

I would love to see GI Joe become something of a “celebration of action figures”. Hasbro has SO MANY old action figure properties, and many could slot into the GI Joe umbrella with relative ease.

@  Otaku : (19 September 2020 - 12:04 AM)

G.I. Joe, CyberCOPS, and M.A.S.K. all seem like something that would work from Animated or Prime, though CyberCOPS might have been a bit trickier from Prime.

@  Sabrblade : (18 September 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Rik Alvarez originally wanted the last episode of Prime to spinoff into a new MASK reboot.

@  Otaku : (18 September 2020 - 08:19 PM)

The failed Hasbroverse reminds me how so many things could have been spun off from Transformers: Animated and (after that) Transformers: Prime.

@  ▲ndrusi : (18 September 2020 - 12:43 PM)

Requiem of the Wreckers was post-Revolution, but it was also, you know, a single issue.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 September 2020 - 11:06 AM)

But Roche didn't have a series to keep out from the crossovers since Sins of the Wreckers was before Revolution.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 September 2020 - 11:01 AM)

Oh wait, that post said Roche, not Barber.

@  Rycochet : (18 September 2020 - 10:46 AM)

And then seemed surprised nobody particlarly wanted it.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 September 2020 - 10:25 AM)

Wasn't Barber among the editorial guys that pushed for Hasbroverse?

@  Maximus Ambus : (18 September 2020 - 10:19 AM)

He did it possibly due to 616 Spider-Mans marriage reset between Civil War and Secret Invasion.

@  ▲ndrusi : (18 September 2020 - 09:20 AM)

Bendis kept a tight leash on Ultimate Spider-Man because it was mostly set far away from Earth?

@  -LittleAutob... : (18 September 2020 - 08:49 AM)

I'm learning so much-

@  Maruten : (18 September 2020 - 04:21 AM)

At its worst it was better than MASK, sure.

@  Maximus Ambus : (18 September 2020 - 02:15 AM)

At it's worst it still stomped all over the failed Hasbroverse. Roberts and Roche kept their respective series well out of that one for the same reasons Bendis kept a tight leash on Ultimate Spider-Man when Loeb and Miller wanted greater control for Ultimatum.

@  Maruten : (17 September 2020 - 06:37 PM)

That's so accurate it's physically painful.

@  Rycochet : (17 September 2020 - 02:05 PM)

The Red Dwarf of Transformers? An interesting, innovative and genuinely funny series that descended into a self referential mess of cliches that continues long after it should have been put out to pasture and rendered nerly everyone thoroughly unlikeable? That seems about right.

@  Bass X0 : (17 September 2020 - 01:59 PM)

MTMTE and Lost Light are the Red Dwarf of Transformers stories, as opposed to the others which are more like Star Wars and Star Trek.

@  Kalidor : (17 September 2020 - 01:37 PM)

Anyone in CONUS want a Skylynx for $100 shipped?

@  Maximus Ambus : (17 September 2020 - 01:34 PM)

Maybe an acquired taste in that's in that it's from a fan raised on the UK run where Transformers wasn't taken so seriously in many stories, especially some Earthforce standalones.

@  Paladin : (17 September 2020 - 09:47 AM)

so, terrible?

@  ▲ndrusi : (17 September 2020 - 09:26 AM)

Yeah I think at that point Lost Light is just the '86 movie without the soundtrack.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 September 2020 - 02:28 AM)

So, exctly what Triangleman just said.

@  Bass X0 : (17 September 2020 - 12:36 AM)

A few of the same characters.

@  ▲ndrusi : (17 September 2020 - 12:07 AM)

Now having actually read Galaxies #10, I don't actually see what it has in common with Lost Light at all besides featuring Ultra Magnus, Chromedome, and a spaceship.

@  ▲ndrusi : (16 September 2020 - 05:33 PM)

So, it's exactly like Lost Light, then.

@  Bass X0 : (16 September 2020 - 01:52 PM)

What if Lost Light was stripped bare of its charm and humor? Galaxies #10 is the answer.

@  ▲ndrusi : (16 September 2020 - 01:49 PM)

I didn't mean "*exactly* 15 years ago and no other time."

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 September 2020 - 12:27 AM)

I mean, the comment was about a linewide gimmick of 15 years ago, not a gimmick only present in a minority of toys from that year.

@  Maximus Ambus : (16 September 2020 - 12:14 AM)

I'd like a western take on the UT for it's twentieth, like a annual CG or anime movie on Netflix that is a condensed retelling similar to the film Macross/Robotech: Do You Remember Love.

@  Maximus Ambus : (16 September 2020 - 12:11 AM)

Giant Planet had them, Energon had a few. I've been disappointed in Siege for not having something for the Micromasters, Earthrise has with the base bots but they've been wasted here.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (15 September 2020 - 10:47 PM)

Wasn't 15 years ago Cyber Keys rather than Minicons?

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 September 2020 - 09:38 PM)

By and large, even the worst Minicons have some unique engineering or design elements. The nostalgia factor aside, Micromasters got pretty samey after you got several, especially the "proper" 89 series.

@  unluckiness : (15 September 2020 - 07:13 PM)

There's certainly a load of crummy ones to sift through

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 September 2020 - 05:29 PM)

Or both. There's some overlap.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 September 2020 - 03:19 PM)

People either hated minicons or became completely addicted to them.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 September 2020 - 03:17 PM)

A properly-planned theme, or as people called it 15 years ago, a stupid linewide baby toy gimmick that ruins the toys.


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Posted 03 February 2012 - 11:17 PM

He just uploaded Line art of Pretender Bumblebee: http://guidoarts.dev...lebee-283121058

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 11:39 PM

QUOTE(Database @ Feb 3 2012, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He just uploaded Line art of Pretender Bumblebee: http://guidoarts.dev...lebee-283121058


Love it. Not as chunky as the toy, but he's adapting it to the Victory aesthetic, so that works.

Looks like a kick ass older and matured BB. Which rocks.


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Posted 04 February 2012 - 05:06 AM

I had Grimlock and Jazz (the latter minus shell) as a kid; those were the versions I owned. I also have a knock-off of 'Bee, with a weird little untransformable Fireflight in place of the gun (and sadly, only some cheap knock-offs of Grimlock I got when I first visited Toronto).

As such, I am loving these.

I never even cared much for Starscream's mold before, but now it feels like a must-have, just from seeing this version.

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#24 Powered Convoy

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 08:50 AM

That Bumblebee is fantastic.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 12:11 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Feb 3 2012, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 3 2012, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Spark @ Feb 4 2012, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We don't know. Dery was fired after Season 3 was finished, so the Rebirth and later commercial animation models were done by someone else. Dery himself floated the idea of some random Korean animator guy, but, eeeeehhhh, that's possibly Dery being Dery.

I'm going heavily offtopic now, but... Why was Dery fired?


Dery says they were jealous of his amazing powers or something. I don't think anyone knows the real reason.

Yeah, this pretty much. Before that he said that they'd set him up to work from home due to co-worker jealousy or something like that, so yeah.

The guy who did the new models ought to be in the Rebirth credits somewhere, but if I recall correctly Dery's got the sole credit for character design, so the other would have to be figured out by combing through the other art credits. Probably impossible given how many unknowns are credited.
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Posted 04 February 2012 - 05:11 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Feb 4 2012, 05:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 3 2012, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Spark @ Feb 4 2012, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We don't know. Dery was fired after Season 3 was finished, so the Rebirth and later commercial animation models were done by someone else. Dery himself floated the idea of some random Korean animator guy, but, eeeeehhhh, that's possibly Dery being Dery.

I'm going heavily offtopic now, but... Why was Dery fired?


Dery says they were jealous of his amazing powers or something. I don't think anyone knows the real reason.

Does he by any chance have autism?

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 4 2012, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That Bumblebee is fantastic.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 05:55 PM

QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 4 2012, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Feb 4 2012, 05:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 3 2012, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Spark @ Feb 4 2012, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We don't know. Dery was fired after Season 3 was finished, so the Rebirth and later commercial animation models were done by someone else. Dery himself floated the idea of some random Korean animator guy, but, eeeeehhhh, that's possibly Dery being Dery.

I'm going heavily offtopic now, but... Why was Dery fired?


Dery says they were jealous of his amazing powers or something. I don't think anyone knows the real reason.

Does he by any chance have autism?

No, just egotism.

Love that Bumblebee. I especially like how he managed to make the Cliffjumper head very Bumblebee-esque.
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Posted 04 February 2012 - 07:54 PM

QUOTE(Spark @ Feb 4 2012, 11:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, just egotism.

And just one more question about him... Is his Facebook profile really his?

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I am Floro Dery, the creator of every single Transformer Concept and Design ever to come into existence. Many people have asked me: How did you come up with the idea of transforming robots? I tell them, I am simply a misunderstood genius who does not take credit for things he did not create.


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Posted 05 February 2012 - 08:17 AM


PREETENDER STARSCREAM SHELL! Masterforce style!

http://guidoarts.dev...t.com/#/d4opftu


I LOVE Masterforce. Sooooo cool to imagine if the Classic Pretenders had been in that show.


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Posted 05 February 2012 - 09:36 AM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Feb 5 2012, 08:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
PREETENDER STARSCREAM SHELL! Masterforce style!

http://guidoarts.dev...t.com/#/d4opftu


I LOVE Masterforce. Sooooo cool to imagine if the Classic Pretenders had been in that show.


-ZacWilliam, can't wait to see the others...

He looks like someone out of Fist of the Northstar, which is prefect for that 1980's anime look. Guido is amazing!

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 09:55 AM

Thats the second time I saw Pretender Starscream's wings attached to the back of his shell in artwork (the first was Dreamwave's MTMTE Profile book). Can the toy actually do this?

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Yes he is. I want to steal his powers for myself and use them for my own personal desires.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 06:54 PM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Feb 5 2012, 08:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
PREETENDER STARSCREAM SHELL! Masterforce style!

http://guidoarts.dev...t.com/#/d4opftu


I LOVE Masterforce. Sooooo cool to imagine if the Classic Pretenders had been in that show.


-ZacWilliam, can't wait to see the others...


Now that says 'backstabbing liar Starscream' like the original shell never did. Awesome icon-silverbolt.gif

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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Feb 5 2012, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thats the second time I saw Pretender Starscream's wings attached to the back of his shell in artwork (the first was Dreamwave's MTMTE Profile book). Can the toy actually do this?


Yes.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 07:11 PM

QUOTE(Thylacine2000 @ Feb 5 2012, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Feb 5 2012, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thats the second time I saw Pretender Starscream's wings attached to the back of his shell in artwork (the first was Dreamwave's MTMTE Profile book). Can the toy actually do this?


Yes.


I don't think any Pretender with detachable robot parts can't peg them onto their shell somehow. There may be an exception, but Starscream ain't it.

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 07:47 AM


What Guido has succeeded in doing here is both inspiring and depressing me. He's made me really want to draw some Pretenders and yet get a little discouraged cause there's no way they're gonna look near as awesome as his. icon-arcee.gif

That's still mostly a good thing. There's not nearly enough Pretender based art around for my liking in general. Hope he finishes Screamer and does the reset of the shells soon to.


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Posted 06 February 2012 - 01:17 PM

I wonder what got Guido started on this Classic Pretender kick? That said, that Starscream shell is awesome.
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#37 Mark Pellegrini

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 08:27 PM

Chiming in to repeat how awesome that Masterforce-style Starscream shell art is. And I didn't even like Masterforce.

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I wish these would have been included in the MTMTE profile guides...

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 05:01 AM

Like them all besides Bee, his Pretender inner bot had kinda a rally volks hard driving thing with the rugged tires. I kinda would like, since it's an artist thing, him to look like a guy who had been through hell. Rugged tires, the big bumper, the kinda fat look cause he needed the armor.

it can be done in the Victory style, I just think with how they designed the toy, his take is too clean. Opposed to Starscream, who actually in his Pretender form was stupid clean.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 07:23 AM

Starscream's shell in color:
http://guidoarts.dev...t.com/#/d4owylc

Looks great as always.

I think the best thing about this is how much character and personality he gets into it. It looks like Starscream even though it's a human shell. And even if you didn't know what Screamer was like you could tell from this pic. Good stuff.


-ZacWilliam, really would love to see Grimy and B's shells too (Jazz was the only one we didn't own so less nostalgia there...)
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