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@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 06:35 PM)

I loved what was there, and think it's pretty ripe for "renegades" style reboot.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 03:13 PM)

It's a shame as I loved Spiral Zone, and the design from the Japanese Toyline of the same name are fantastic, I adore the monowheel motorbike.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 03:12 PM)

Hasbro doesn't seem to have any interest in doing anything with the TV show, haven't greenlit any attempt to rerelease it, and there have been approaches, so I think it may be aother one of Tonka's legal carcrashes where everyone involved owns a piece and it's not really worth anyone sticking their neck out to claim ownership.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 01:47 PM)

I feel that homages and references would be a fun way to expand the GI Joe brand, and give a little love to lines that are unlikely to be acknowledged beyond such capacity.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 01:47 PM)

I was under the impression that Bandai was more the character design aspects, not story or characters.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 12:55 PM)

Also isn't it in rights limbo, given how it's loosely based on concepts from a BanDai series much like GoBots?

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 12:52 PM)

We don't need a Spiral Zone reboot, in a decade or so we'll be living it.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 12:49 PM)

Yeah, but it would fundamentally change the base premise of both gijoe and spiral zone. It's either not the world spanning threat it was, or the zone riders are backed up by a competent force. Either way, you compromise the context of both.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:19 PM)

Akin to what was done with Matt Tracker in 2008.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:18 PM)

Again, not a PURE transplant, but an integration of ideas and concepts into the world of GI Joe.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:18 PM)

@Wonko The Cobra Overlord, with help from Dr. Mindbender and Cesspool, develops machines capable of generating a mind-controlling fog. GI Joe stalwarts Flint, Airtight, Lifeline, and Psyche-Out are joined by Colonal Courage to infiltrate these zones and disable the machines. Figures would sport hostile environment suits (Eco warriors cross with Spiral Zone) and make new versions of the mono-wheel vehicles.

@  Maximus Ambus : (19 September 2020 - 09:39 AM)

Hasbroverse.2 with bought properties: Bravestarr, Ulysses 31, Galaxy Rangers, Shadow Raiders, Manta Force, Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors, Mighty Orbots, Jem and Bigfoot and the Muscle Machines. Seamless.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 08:32 AM)

While acknoledging spiral zone would be pretty boss, I doubt they could actively integrate it into anything else: given the scale of the villains deeds.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 08:03 AM)

COPS, Spiral Zone, Shadow Strikers, Action Man, Centurions, MegaForce. They wouldn’t replicate the old lines, but simply acknowledging their existence would be nifty.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 08:01 AM)

I would love to see GI Joe become something of a “celebration of action figures”. Hasbro has SO MANY old action figure properties, and many could slot into the GI Joe umbrella with relative ease.

@  Otaku : (19 September 2020 - 12:04 AM)

G.I. Joe, CyberCOPS, and M.A.S.K. all seem like something that would work from Animated or Prime, though CyberCOPS might have been a bit trickier from Prime.

@  Sabrblade : (18 September 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Rik Alvarez originally wanted the last episode of Prime to spinoff into a new MASK reboot.

@  Otaku : (18 September 2020 - 08:19 PM)

The failed Hasbroverse reminds me how so many things could have been spun off from Transformers: Animated and (after that) Transformers: Prime.

@  ▲ndrusi : (18 September 2020 - 12:43 PM)

Requiem of the Wreckers was post-Revolution, but it was also, you know, a single issue.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 September 2020 - 11:06 AM)

But Roche didn't have a series to keep out from the crossovers since Sins of the Wreckers was before Revolution.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 September 2020 - 11:01 AM)

Oh wait, that post said Roche, not Barber.

@  Rycochet : (18 September 2020 - 10:46 AM)

And then seemed surprised nobody particlarly wanted it.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 September 2020 - 10:25 AM)

Wasn't Barber among the editorial guys that pushed for Hasbroverse?

@  Maximus Ambus : (18 September 2020 - 10:19 AM)

He did it possibly due to 616 Spider-Mans marriage reset between Civil War and Secret Invasion.

@  ▲ndrusi : (18 September 2020 - 09:20 AM)

Bendis kept a tight leash on Ultimate Spider-Man because it was mostly set far away from Earth?

@  -LittleAutob... : (18 September 2020 - 08:49 AM)

I'm learning so much-

@  Maruten : (18 September 2020 - 04:21 AM)

At its worst it was better than MASK, sure.

@  Maximus Ambus : (18 September 2020 - 02:15 AM)

At it's worst it still stomped all over the failed Hasbroverse. Roberts and Roche kept their respective series well out of that one for the same reasons Bendis kept a tight leash on Ultimate Spider-Man when Loeb and Miller wanted greater control for Ultimatum.

@  Maruten : (17 September 2020 - 06:37 PM)

That's so accurate it's physically painful.

@  Rycochet : (17 September 2020 - 02:05 PM)

The Red Dwarf of Transformers? An interesting, innovative and genuinely funny series that descended into a self referential mess of cliches that continues long after it should have been put out to pasture and rendered nerly everyone thoroughly unlikeable? That seems about right.

@  Bass X0 : (17 September 2020 - 01:59 PM)

MTMTE and Lost Light are the Red Dwarf of Transformers stories, as opposed to the others which are more like Star Wars and Star Trek.

@  Kalidor : (17 September 2020 - 01:37 PM)

Anyone in CONUS want a Skylynx for $100 shipped?

@  Maximus Ambus : (17 September 2020 - 01:34 PM)

Maybe an acquired taste in that's in that it's from a fan raised on the UK run where Transformers wasn't taken so seriously in many stories, especially some Earthforce standalones.

@  Paladin : (17 September 2020 - 09:47 AM)

so, terrible?

@  ▲ndrusi : (17 September 2020 - 09:26 AM)

Yeah I think at that point Lost Light is just the '86 movie without the soundtrack.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 September 2020 - 02:28 AM)

So, exctly what Triangleman just said.

@  Bass X0 : (17 September 2020 - 12:36 AM)

A few of the same characters.

@  ▲ndrusi : (17 September 2020 - 12:07 AM)

Now having actually read Galaxies #10, I don't actually see what it has in common with Lost Light at all besides featuring Ultra Magnus, Chromedome, and a spaceship.

@  ▲ndrusi : (16 September 2020 - 05:33 PM)

So, it's exactly like Lost Light, then.

@  Bass X0 : (16 September 2020 - 01:52 PM)

What if Lost Light was stripped bare of its charm and humor? Galaxies #10 is the answer.

@  ▲ndrusi : (16 September 2020 - 01:49 PM)

I didn't mean "*exactly* 15 years ago and no other time."

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 September 2020 - 12:27 AM)

I mean, the comment was about a linewide gimmick of 15 years ago, not a gimmick only present in a minority of toys from that year.

@  Maximus Ambus : (16 September 2020 - 12:14 AM)

I'd like a western take on the UT for it's twentieth, like a annual CG or anime movie on Netflix that is a condensed retelling similar to the film Macross/Robotech: Do You Remember Love.

@  Maximus Ambus : (16 September 2020 - 12:11 AM)

Giant Planet had them, Energon had a few. I've been disappointed in Siege for not having something for the Micromasters, Earthrise has with the base bots but they've been wasted here.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (15 September 2020 - 10:47 PM)

Wasn't 15 years ago Cyber Keys rather than Minicons?

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 September 2020 - 09:38 PM)

By and large, even the worst Minicons have some unique engineering or design elements. The nostalgia factor aside, Micromasters got pretty samey after you got several, especially the "proper" 89 series.

@  unluckiness : (15 September 2020 - 07:13 PM)

There's certainly a load of crummy ones to sift through

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 September 2020 - 05:29 PM)

Or both. There's some overlap.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 September 2020 - 03:19 PM)

People either hated minicons or became completely addicted to them.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 September 2020 - 03:17 PM)

A properly-planned theme, or as people called it 15 years ago, a stupid linewide baby toy gimmick that ruins the toys.


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#1 Bass X0

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 01:47 PM



http://guidoarts.dev...MLOCK-282821129

Thats pretty awesome. I have a soft spot for the Pretender Classics.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 02:15 PM


Funny thing is I was just speculating a day or two ago about what it would be like if anyone ever drew the inner Classic Pretender robots as themselves rather than their original model sheets.

I'd LOVE to see him do the other 3 as well.


-ZacWilliam, would also love to see him do the shells honestly. I heart classic Pretender shells.
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 02:26 PM


Ah, he did Starscream too:

http://guidoarts.dev...t.com/#/d4o6u5q
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 02:27 PM

Grimlock looks awesome, I like the smoothness.

And Skywarp and Thundercracker.


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Posted 02 February 2012 - 02:52 PM

I'm going to have some new desktops! Man I love this stuff! icon-silverbolt.gif icon-silverbolt.gif

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 03:47 PM

Yeah these look neat

Would love to his take on my faveorite G1 Gunruuner

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 07:38 PM

PERFECT!

On side note, it's a shame that only Pretender Bumblebee model sheet is available online. icon-screamer.gif


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Ah, there's also for Jazz:


So shame that only two model sheets are available. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 07:53 PM

Yeah, I'd kill for Grimlock or Starscream.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 08:17 PM

I'm still a fan of Pretender (and by extension, Action Master) Starscream's color scheme. It's very appealing to me.
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 08:33 PM

QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 3 2012, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
On side note, it's a shame that only Pretender Bumblebee model sheet is available online. icon-screamer.gif

That insignia is terribly drawn. Is he an Autobot or an Autodog?

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 08:40 PM

Autodogs! Transform and woof out!

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 08:50 PM

QUOTE(abates @ Feb 2 2012, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 3 2012, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
On side note, it's a shame that only Pretender Bumblebee model sheet is available online. icon-screamer.gif

That insignia is terribly drawn. Is he an Autobot or an Autodog?

I'm still a bit confused why they left his arms folded up. That seems like it would be kind of odd to animate since the shoulder runs into the fender.
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 11:36 PM

Wow, that Grimlock looks fantastic!! icon-silverbolt.gif

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 08:56 AM

QUOTE(Spark @ Feb 2 2012, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(abates @ Feb 2 2012, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 3 2012, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
On side note, it's a shame that only Pretender Bumblebee model sheet is available online. icon-screamer.gif

That insignia is terribly drawn. Is he an Autobot or an Autodog?

I'm still a bit confused why they left his arms folded up. That seems like it would be kind of odd to animate since the shoulder runs into the fender.

At least he looks like the correct toy. Pretender Jazz's model actually looks less like the Pretender Jazz toy than his original model does, with the addition or exaggeration of various Diaclone-based features that don't exist on the Pretender version.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 10:22 AM

True. It's actually been my assumption that Pretender Jazz's character model's reference was just the original G1 toy. What we're seeing is another take on the first toy by a character designer after Floro Dery. The only wildcard is the odd gun.
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 12:44 PM

QUOTE(Spark @ Feb 3 2012, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
True. It's actually been my assumption that Pretender Jazz's character model's reference was just the original G1 toy. What we're seeing is another take on the first toy by a character designer after Floro Dery. The only wildcard is the odd gun.

And lack of insignia.

BTW, who designed those anyway?

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 06:23 PM

We don't know. Dery was fired after Season 3 was finished, so the Rebirth and later commercial animation models were done by someone else. Dery himself floated the idea of some random Korean animator guy, but, eeeeehhhh, that's possibly Dery being Dery.
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 07:26 PM

I see Pretender Bumblebee has a beard.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 08:32 PM

QUOTE(Spark @ Feb 4 2012, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We don't know. Dery was fired after Season 3 was finished, so the Rebirth and later commercial animation models were done by someone else. Dery himself floated the idea of some random Korean animator guy, but, eeeeehhhh, that's possibly Dery being Dery.

I'm going heavily offtopic now, but... Why was Dery fired?

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 11:07 PM

QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 3 2012, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Spark @ Feb 4 2012, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We don't know. Dery was fired after Season 3 was finished, so the Rebirth and later commercial animation models were done by someone else. Dery himself floated the idea of some random Korean animator guy, but, eeeeehhhh, that's possibly Dery being Dery.

I'm going heavily offtopic now, but... Why was Dery fired?


Dery says they were jealous of his amazing powers or something. I don't think anyone knows the real reason.