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@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:29 AM)

The best way to prove this is to give an example where the match is really lopsided in favor of one character but in popularity they're either evenly matched or the weaker one is more popular.

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:27 AM)

The "who would win in a fight" discussions are really just people trying to make "which one's better" into something you can theoretically measure objectively, usually in a very specific way they think they've predetermined their favorite will win.

@  Otaku : (04 August 2020 - 02:01 AM)

@Nevermore So... you're saying you didn't like DC Versus Marvel/Marvel Versus DC?

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 August 2020 - 06:59 PM)

So, what happened to Hasbro's Zoids relaunch? An English dub, some stuff in southeast Asia, and now a game coming in October? That it?

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Tidal wave, cause shooting water gets you nowhere.

@  Darth Gonzo : (03 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Who would win Tidal Wave or Broadside?

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:17 AM)

Btw Happy birthday to those people in the box to the right \o/

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:16 AM)

The bottom line is obvious. It makes no literal sense to fight someone on your faction. :/

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 06:14 AM)

That's because you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to just stack skills and ability against each other. It's not the palace of doom, it's an episode of american gladiators.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 08:36 AM)

Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:35 PM)

KUP!

@  Sabrblade : (01 August 2020 - 04:58 PM)

Urkel!

@  TheMightyMol... : (01 August 2020 - 03:16 PM)

Steeeeeeeeve.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (01 August 2020 - 02:57 AM)

LEEEROOOOOOOOY! jhenkenz...

@  Hg Dragon : (01 August 2020 - 01:21 AM)

Candleja-

@  Sabrblade : (31 July 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!

@  Echowarrior : (31 July 2020 - 10:18 PM)

Spongebob!

@  TheMightyMol... : (31 July 2020 - 05:13 PM)

KHAAAAAAAN

@  PlutoniumBoss : (31 July 2020 - 03:04 PM)

Bueller? Bueller?

@  Jet : (31 July 2020 - 11:31 AM)

DONKEY!

@  Maximus Ambus : (31 July 2020 - 06:55 AM)

Spanner

@  Xaaron : (31 July 2020 - 06:49 AM)

Jetstorm

@  Nevermore : (31 July 2020 - 05:33 AM)

Tankor

@  SG Roadbuster : (31 July 2020 - 04:44 AM)

Overrun

@  lastmaximal : (31 July 2020 - 01:33 AM)

Buckethead

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 July 2020 - 07:15 PM)

Now I wonder how many Transformers we can name with the fewest possible different names.

@  Nevermore : (30 July 2020 - 06:38 PM)

Ransack. That's like another 20 or so.


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#1 Bass X0

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 01:47 PM



http://guidoarts.dev...MLOCK-282821129

Thats pretty awesome. I have a soft spot for the Pretender Classics.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 02:15 PM


Funny thing is I was just speculating a day or two ago about what it would be like if anyone ever drew the inner Classic Pretender robots as themselves rather than their original model sheets.

I'd LOVE to see him do the other 3 as well.


-ZacWilliam, would also love to see him do the shells honestly. I heart classic Pretender shells.
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 02:26 PM


Ah, he did Starscream too:

http://guidoarts.dev...t.com/#/d4o6u5q
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 02:27 PM

Grimlock looks awesome, I like the smoothness.

And Skywarp and Thundercracker.


And AM Thundercracker.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 02:52 PM

I'm going to have some new desktops! Man I love this stuff! icon-silverbolt.gif icon-silverbolt.gif

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 03:47 PM

Yeah these look neat

Would love to his take on my faveorite G1 Gunruuner

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#7 D.M

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 07:38 PM

PERFECT!

On side note, it's a shame that only Pretender Bumblebee model sheet is available online. icon-screamer.gif


Edit:
Ah, there's also for Jazz:


So shame that only two model sheets are available. icon-hotrod.gif

Edited by D.M, 02 February 2012 - 07:42 PM.


#8 Walky

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 07:53 PM

Yeah, I'd kill for Grimlock or Starscream.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 08:17 PM

I'm still a fan of Pretender (and by extension, Action Master) Starscream's color scheme. It's very appealing to me.
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 08:33 PM

QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 3 2012, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
On side note, it's a shame that only Pretender Bumblebee model sheet is available online. icon-screamer.gif

That insignia is terribly drawn. Is he an Autobot or an Autodog?

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 08:40 PM

Autodogs! Transform and woof out!

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 08:50 PM

QUOTE(abates @ Feb 2 2012, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 3 2012, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
On side note, it's a shame that only Pretender Bumblebee model sheet is available online. icon-screamer.gif

That insignia is terribly drawn. Is he an Autobot or an Autodog?

I'm still a bit confused why they left his arms folded up. That seems like it would be kind of odd to animate since the shoulder runs into the fender.
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 11:36 PM

Wow, that Grimlock looks fantastic!! icon-silverbolt.gif

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 08:56 AM

QUOTE(Spark @ Feb 2 2012, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(abates @ Feb 2 2012, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 3 2012, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
On side note, it's a shame that only Pretender Bumblebee model sheet is available online. icon-screamer.gif

That insignia is terribly drawn. Is he an Autobot or an Autodog?

I'm still a bit confused why they left his arms folded up. That seems like it would be kind of odd to animate since the shoulder runs into the fender.

At least he looks like the correct toy. Pretender Jazz's model actually looks less like the Pretender Jazz toy than his original model does, with the addition or exaggeration of various Diaclone-based features that don't exist on the Pretender version.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 10:22 AM

True. It's actually been my assumption that Pretender Jazz's character model's reference was just the original G1 toy. What we're seeing is another take on the first toy by a character designer after Floro Dery. The only wildcard is the odd gun.
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 12:44 PM

QUOTE(Spark @ Feb 3 2012, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
True. It's actually been my assumption that Pretender Jazz's character model's reference was just the original G1 toy. What we're seeing is another take on the first toy by a character designer after Floro Dery. The only wildcard is the odd gun.

And lack of insignia.

BTW, who designed those anyway?

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 06:23 PM

We don't know. Dery was fired after Season 3 was finished, so the Rebirth and later commercial animation models were done by someone else. Dery himself floated the idea of some random Korean animator guy, but, eeeeehhhh, that's possibly Dery being Dery.
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 07:26 PM

I see Pretender Bumblebee has a beard.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 08:32 PM

QUOTE(Spark @ Feb 4 2012, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We don't know. Dery was fired after Season 3 was finished, so the Rebirth and later commercial animation models were done by someone else. Dery himself floated the idea of some random Korean animator guy, but, eeeeehhhh, that's possibly Dery being Dery.

I'm going heavily offtopic now, but... Why was Dery fired?

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 11:07 PM

QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 3 2012, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Spark @ Feb 4 2012, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We don't know. Dery was fired after Season 3 was finished, so the Rebirth and later commercial animation models were done by someone else. Dery himself floated the idea of some random Korean animator guy, but, eeeeehhhh, that's possibly Dery being Dery.

I'm going heavily offtopic now, but... Why was Dery fired?


Dery says they were jealous of his amazing powers or something. I don't think anyone knows the real reason.