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@  Pennpenn : (27 April 2017 - 03:23 AM)

Hard G. I don't give a solitary shit what the creators call it, the first word in the acronym is "Graphical". I have no idea why they'd think any sane human could, would, or should pronounce it any other way.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 03:13 AM)

I acknowledge what the creators say, but whether I remember to use their pronunciation or not is hit or miss. Heck, I think I usually think of it in my head as "gee-i-ef", in parallel to "JPG" and "PNG".

@  Waspinator : (27 April 2017 - 02:50 AM)

Let's heat things up: what are everyone's opinions on how GIF should be pronounced?

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:11 PM)

But I will say that a lot of fandom forums are generally more tolerable nowadays because most belligerent types stick to Facebook groups

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:09 PM)

I do like their hard no-politics rule. Now that I do the occasional freelance writing for some local politics and I like zero percent of it my hobby space now. But holy cow, do they replace it with neck beard drama.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 10:30 PM)

like Noideaforaname I posted on TFW for a while. I came here after I got harassed for daring to suggest that Play With This Too was run by unoriginal hacks, and yeah. This place so much more preferable.

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

And you're turning us on

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

The terrible secret of the Allspark: We all have this twisted fetish for rational thought processes

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

Not everyone likes everything, and people aren't blind to shortfalls or annoyances resulting from constraints of how the brand is handled. We make many a joke out of these things. But it's a rare thing when entitlement replaces logic on here, where that seems to be poster raison d'etre everywhere else.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:11 PM)

It's utterly weird how these here boards seem so impervious an oasis when it comes to that depth of idiocy. Worshipping 3p and demanding the official companies "step it up" and stop being so lazy? Insisting the movies be done THEIR way, crapping on every single thing revealed about the films or toyline, then whining that they can't find (insert hot movie to here) or the official release of a movie figure doesn't capture the look in the film they hated? Etc

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:09 PM)

It's not even a "brand pissing contest" or "board loyalty" thing, not least due to the fact that those don't really even happen here all that much. I'm just happy to be with levelheaded people who've outgrown the usual fan dumb tropes. You can have a civilized conversation here and people don't shit on things only to hide behind "but but but to each their own right?" when their myopic BS is challenged.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:07 PM)

With each time nonsense like this flares up on tfw or on local discussion venues (and it does quite a bit) I'm just reminded of why I've essentially been allspark bound for the last... Fifteen or so years.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 10:07 PM)

On the plus side, tho, TFW has "appreciation threads" for practically everything, even stuff like Kre-O and PCC. And their toy database is quite handy.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 10:03 PM)

I've been happily posting on TFW for years. Then, after being *here* for a few months, I look back and wonder how the hell I even bothered with it. I mean, my ignore list had hundreds of people on it. Literally HUNDREDS of ignored people. I even showed off said gargantuan list once (with a small thumbnail that you couldn't read any of the names on, mind you). That... that really should have been a warning sign, I suppose...

@  WorkbenchManiac : (26 April 2017 - 08:03 PM)

Thanks, I enjoyed reading the nerdrage. I should hang out over there more often.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 07:07 PM)

I mean, Reveal Your Shield. That gets complained about too.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 07:04 PM)

One of the reveal the shield news threads at TFW has movie fans and G1 fans arguing over who has it worse

@  WorkbenchManiac : (26 April 2017 - 06:49 PM)

You got me awfully curious. What thread ware we talking about?

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:17 PM)

That was a quality read. Both sides of that thread's argument went pretty crazy.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 02:11 PM)

"When Beast Wars made Optimus a monkey nobody complained" ~ someone desperate for a 'gotcha'

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:05 PM)

I want to find the rock they've been under that there isn't constantly complaining about something.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:04 PM)

For the lack if a better word, it baffles me when someone starts a discussion somewhere that's like "Does anyone else not like the movies?"

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

Careful, it might have something to say about that.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

I'm gonna have to check your opinion out real good to make sure.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 11:55 AM)

Oppinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, but mine is better so shut up.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

To clarify on point 1 since I was typing early in the morning again, "you must hate exactly what I hate" and "you msut like exactly what I like" aren't actually the same statement but they're the same thought process which is "my opinions are objective facts." If you see someone espousing one, they're probably thinking the other, too.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:57 AM)

... what.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 AM)

Andrusi, I imagine to some people online, there isn't that much of a world of difference, at least going by the venom they post; although not at RiD specifically.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 08:55 AM)

The scale of liking and hating is an interval one so you can not like something but not hate it. Pretty sure there's apathy and dislike in between there at least.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 08:07 AM)

And humans are perfectly capable of hating things in unison while being divided on liking.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:34 AM)

On the other hand, there's a world of difference between "I hate RID" and "I hate Nazis."

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:27 AM)

On one hand, "hating what I hate" IS "liking what I like." One of those cultures can't be worse than the other because they're literally the same culture.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:26 AM)

I think that comparison is both an oversimplification AND a meaningless distinction.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 07:16 AM)

That's the internet effect. Distance and anonimity make for easy and consequence-less extremism.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 06:58 AM)

I think the aggressive "How dare you not hate exactly what I hate" culture online is worse than the aggressive "How dare you not like exactly what I like" culture.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 06:19 AM)

And now that song/scene and its many many parodies are running through my head.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 06:18 AM)

Patrick Swayze didnt!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:58 AM)

lol. As long as they knock first.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

Or as ghosts. I guess ghosts would be acceptable.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

For now, I'd just find some small comfort in knowing those who have passed actually are in some sort of better place.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:56 AM)

I'd find comfort in knowing that one way or another, that suffering would eventually end and a new, potentially happier beginning awaits.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:54 AM)

@LBD At the same time, I can't imagine wanting to stay in even a happy afterlife when fleshies are still suffering.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:49 AM)

Celebrating and welcoming death just gives them more ideological hoops to justify killing others. So yeah, no thanks.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

The idea of death doesn't bother me so much as no longer existing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

at the very least, my body will feed the grass which feeds the antelope which feeds the lio- ....wait

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Yeah, that's kind of the thing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Some cultures celebrate/welcome death (of course, those also have some form of afterlife)

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

You shouldn't be. What with having absolutely no knowledge or control over it.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

Death is scary, which is why we either spend our lives avoiding the subject or staying up late overthinking it.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

"Never did want to live forever." I'm more bothered about what -- if anything -- is next.


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#221 Phlis

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:15 PM

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I can't see why anyone would fault BBTS for hyping something they thought was true. It's like getting mad at somebody for inviting you to their wedding after they got stood up at the altar.

Indeed. While I'm annoyed about passing up stuff because I had pre-orders at BBTS and also agree they have mishandled this on their part to a degree, they didn't turn these toys down. They had the rug pulled out from under them via Hasbro.


Can't really blame BBTS for your own mistake. If I have a BBTS preorder and I see a toy at retail I automatically pick it up because it's going to be cheaper. The mistake here was BBTS wasn't able to get pre-orders to Hasbro early enough. Hasbro sent all of Wave 1.5 and the Voyagers to Canada, and if they had any over stock there, maybe they offered it to BBTS and TFSource and such who declined paying shipping from Canada to the US. But thats just a theory.

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Collector-oriented characters with no substantial modern media presence in a dead size class?

Not really comparable.


Blackout, Wing Blade Prime, the Animated Deluxe repaints. Yes the line was at the end, not the beginning, and not as popular as it could be due to the movies, but we're never seeing those toys at US retail, ever. Again, if Prime gets into an Armada situation, and Hasbro scrambles for molds to fill the shelves, I see it. But they're producing a lot of toys for Prime. I want it to happen, but I just don't see it.



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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:16 PM

BBTS is stuck in the middle between irate customers and a supplier who's pulled the product. Although it was shady to start with when BBTS first named a list of major retailers that were not carrying the line and spinning that to drive up their own pre-sales, it's not as though they had any expectation of never receiving most of that stock. The way a lot of people are wanting to run with this right now makes it sound like they think BBTS set out to screw people out of toys they wanted, and that couldn't be more ridiculous. Plus, they're automatically giving existing pre-order holders first shot at the new ones, and from the sound of it, continuing to honor the original pricing where it's lower than the current prices. It might not be what you want, but they're doing everything they're able to in order to help smooth this over. They could just as easily drop all the standing pre-orders and say "not our fault!", because it's not their fault, and leave everyone to have to get in line all over again. And I don't see how anyone can reasonably expect them to try to fill these orders with Japanese product. Even if they had any to give right now, they'd take a loss trying to fulfill them at the US prices. And if they offered pre-order slots but with a price increase to account for the difference, people would start flipping their jive about that, then. They're in an unwinnable situation here. Their customer service reputation is going to be damaged, people are already talking about taking business elsewhere, and it's all for something BBTS didn't even DO. Do tell me, what purpose will denying BBTS business serve in response to a situation they had zero control over?

And as an addendum, what makes anyone think BBTS even knows there's a difference between the products right now? These aren't dedicated Transformers fans who are going and reading posts and watching videos about the toys. They have their order sheets, and whenever the stuff comes in stock someone may handle them for product photography, but that's about it. So yeah, in a case like the Voyager substitution, they know Megatron is not Bulkhead, but why should they think there's a material difference between two toys called Voyager Optimus, or Deluxe Cliffjumper? To think they know your preferences between the toy lines or that a difference even exists beyond the branding is more than a little self-absorbed.

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So while I COULD have gotten Starscream at retail, and I COULD have gotten the rest from eBay or a Canadian before everything sold out, I'm now SOL.

That is on BBTS.


No, as you pointed out one line above, you had other opportunities to obtain these figures. You chose not to take advantage of them. That is on you. BBTS wasn't holding your money. There was nothing to stop you from pursuing those toys elsewhere and dropping your preorders when you had all you wanted. Unless you'd like to tell me how BBTS actively prevented you from buying toys elsewhere until everything was gone?


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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:17 PM

w00t. found a guy in canadia who managed to nab me a cliffjumper and one of the last bulkheads

*hedbangz*

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:28 PM

Does anyone even know, why the First Edition toys were yanked? I'm just curious if it was a production problem, or some stupid bean counter told them, they weren't getting enough orders for it to be worth the cost of creating the molds in the first place. Too, it's so rare for an entire sub-line to be completely canceled, that I'm surprised Hasbro isn't being more open about the whole thing.
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:33 PM

Yep just as I feared would happen

Saying I told you so hurts to. cos we are all out of the TFs we wanted and now theres no way to get thim at close to retail there scalper bait for the rest of there lives

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:36 PM

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Got my e-mail for the Voyagers and Deluxes and promptly deleted the orders. If I can't have the superior FE figs then I have absolutely no need for the RID ones because I just won't bother with the line now. If I can find the FE figs I want for a DECENT price, then I'll start buying RID.


Good news for the voyagers, at least.

We know the FE Voyager Prime mold will come back. There were pictures at a Japanese toy show of a darker colored FE Prime with a silver stripe on the shoulder, ala - G1. It was in the pics with the new mold minicon targetmasters.

Bulkhead is uncertain, but BBTS has a preorder up for next month. It's $50, but it's the Takara version and those are always a bit more.


I'd forgotten about that Prime so I'll hafta preorder him, but that Voyager Bulkhead will probably be the new mold with the same kind of gimmicks the RID Voyagers seem to have.


The Bulkhead is a restock of the released Japanese one w/ the darker green.

"Japan Color Exclusive - Bulkhead - Takara First Edition"

Unfortunately...upon checking again, the preorder is sold out. I'm guessing a bunch of people who got screwed on the US version jumped on the new preorders. I'm glad I got in before it was too late.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:40 PM

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I thought at Botcon they said the repaints of Wheeljack and Soundwave in DOTM will be in the RiD line

Umpteenth Bumblebee/White Ratchet/G1 Wheeljack/Black Soundwave are wave one of the new Movie Trilogy line, or they were as of BotCon.


They were also "Movie Trilogy Line" during the slide show at NYCC.


Please correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK, the last wave of DOTM deluxes (Soundwave, Wheeljack) never made it to US shores?

What I want to take from all this is that Hasbro is trying to tighten the Transformers brand with RiD, and part of the execution on that is leaving collectors hanging in the breeze.
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:41 PM

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Can't really blame BBTS for your own mistake. If I have a BBTS preorder and I see a toy at retail I automatically pick it up because it's going to be cheaper.

I didn't see them at retail TO pass them up, largely because they (being the Voyagers) didn't hit retail here in the states. Therefore your assessment is off.

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But thats just a theory.

No, that's conjecture, not a theory.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:42 PM

QUOTE(Phlis @ Jan 30 2012, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The mistake here was BBTS wasn't able to get pre-orders to Hasbro early enough. Hasbro sent all of Wave 1.5 and the Voyagers to Canada, and if they had any over stock there, maybe they offered it to BBTS and TFSource and such who declined paying shipping from Canada to the US. But thats just a theory.



No offense but I'm pretty sure you don't understand how pre-orders and stock delivery work. BBTS has had preorders up since, I don't know, October? Earlier, maybe? And no, Hasbro didn't send stock to Canadian TRU stores and then offer the leftovers to US retailers.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:44 PM

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The mistake here was BBTS wasn't able to get pre-orders to Hasbro early enough. Hasbro sent all of Wave 1.5 and the Voyagers to Canada, and if they had any over stock there, maybe they offered it to BBTS and TFSource and such who declined paying shipping from Canada to the US. But thats just a theory.



No offense but I'm pretty sure you don't understand how pre-orders and stock delivery work. BBTS has had preorders up since, I don't know, October? Earlier, maybe? And no, Hasbro didn't send stock to Canadian TRU stores and then offer the leftovers to US retailers.


I believe I preordered Prime and Bulkhead the day the preorders began. My preorder was listed as November 8th. I just canceled it last night.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:45 PM

Well, we're getting FE Starscream with what seems to be FE BB in an Entertainment Pack in the main line. With Silas and a MECH Trooper.

An Arcee with Cliffjumper would seem to fit the concept too, no? Maybe with seated Sadie or Jack?

And Terrorcon Cliffjumper vs. Vehicon would definitely fit as well.

I mean, I'm not going to get my hopes up, but this really does seem like a way to get these toys to retail without worrying about putting two Deluxe Cliffjumpers out on shelves. As for Bulkhead... I have to imagine they're going to reuse that mold somehow. It's just too good not to reuse.



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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:47 PM

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Does anyone even know, why the First Edition toys were yanked? I'm just curious if it was a production problem, or some stupid bean counter told them, they weren't getting enough orders for it to be worth the cost of creating the molds in the first place. Too, it's so rare for an entire sub-line to be completely canceled, that I'm surprised Hasbro isn't being more open about the whole thing.


No one knows yet other than speculation. My suspicion is that it's a complication of the First Edition toys coming later than expected and the RID stuff coming earlier than expected. Hasbro would rather focus on a mass-market product which is produced in higher quantities. If the First Edition stuff got held up for *any* reason, which seems likely, then they would probably prefer to sell you their mass-market Cliffjumper than their First Edition Cliffjumper. Seems weird to us not to try to sell existing product, but there are a lot of business factors which play into the decisions like these.

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I believe I preordered Prime and Bulkhead the day the preorders began. My preorder was listed as November 8th. I just canceled it last night.


Thanks. Either way, BBTS didn't fail to put up preorders in time to meet Hasbro's stock requirements. I'm sure they put those preorders up as soon as Hasbro let them. There's evidence that they sometimes put up preorders *before* Hasbro lets them or confirms the case assortments.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:49 PM

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The mistake here was BBTS wasn't able to get pre-orders to Hasbro early enough. Hasbro sent all of Wave 1.5 and the Voyagers to Canada, and if they had any over stock there, maybe they offered it to BBTS and TFSource and such who declined paying shipping from Canada to the US. But thats just a theory.



No offense but I'm pretty sure you don't understand how pre-orders and stock delivery work. BBTS has had preorders up since, I don't know, October? Earlier, maybe? And no, Hasbro didn't send stock to Canadian TRU stores and then offer the leftovers to US retailers.


I'll repeat, the only thing in Canadian TRUs that have had US packaging were the Entertainment Packs. Everyone else, Deluxe and Voyager, have had the usual Canadian packaging.

So unless you're keen on suggesting that they shipped everything to Canada, then paid someone to open the thousands of leftovers and repackage them into US packaging, that theory just doesn't work out.


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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:54 PM

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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK, the last wave of DOTM deluxes (Soundwave, Wheeljack) never made it to US shores?

We haven't seen them yet. I'm inclined to say that means they'll show up the same way the last waves of ROTF, 2010 and PCC did: through some odd outlet at a later date.

Of course, I also don't think all the First Edition toys in the world ever are gone and TRU said and BBTS said and Hasbro said and blaaaaaaagh, so maybe I'm too optimistic.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:58 PM

QUOTE(LV! @ Jan 30 2012, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Of course, I also don't think all the First Edition toys in the world ever are gone and TRU said and BBTS said and Hasbro said and blaaaaaaagh, so maybe I'm too optimistic.


Correct. All of this is based on two online retailers (BBTS and TFSource) reporting that Hasbro canceled their preorders for reasons which have not been made clear, and the fact that US Toys'R'Us stores have not restocked Wave 1 Deluxes and have not stocked Voyagers or further Deluxe waves. However, we know that those same stores haven't really stocked much of *anything* recently as it's been their inventory season (a notoriously bare time for restocks). Now they are starting to stock RID toys, so people are making an assumption that no more FE toys are coming.

While I share the pessimism I'm also secretly hoping that FE toys magically start appearing in a month or two and everyone can get what they want.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 02:01 PM

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Does anyone even know, why the First Edition toys were yanked? I'm just curious if it was a production problem, or some stupid bean counter told them, they weren't getting enough orders for it to be worth the cost of creating the molds in the first place. Too, it's so rare for an entire sub-line to be completely canceled, that I'm surprised Hasbro isn't being more open about the whole thing.


No, and we probably never will.

Did the Prime cartoon debut on time? That could have been a factor too. There's more going on then just the usual Hasbro-Production-Distribution-Retailer influences, there's the whole HUB launch, and the standardized Prime universe.

What I'm trying to get at is that FE and RiD represent two different directions for the line as a whole. FE is pretty standard Transformers as we've known them since classics: Deluxes, Voyagers, Entertainment Pack, no gimmicks.

RiD renames the classes, they all have energon weapons, Voyagers have an electronic gimmick, and there's a heavy focus on Cyberverse.

There's a lot in play that likely made this situation.

Edit: Quantumhawk said it better.

Edited by Nanite, 30 January 2012 - 02:14 PM.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 02:23 PM

Entertainment Earth:
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Thank you for ordering from Entertainment Earth. We have been notified by
the manufacturer that we will not be receiving any additional shipments of
Transformers Prime Voyager Bulkhead and Optimus Prime Set, (Item
HT36490AS), because they have discontinued production of this item at this
point in time. The item has been removed from your order.


I think the reason people are kind of steamed at BBTS is just the whole thing where they seemingly intentionally misled customers to make them panic and think the First Edition figures weren't coming out in brick-and-mortar stores at all, by selectively leaving TRU out of their list of "You won't be able to find them HERE, so you'd better order now!" names. That was a little skeezy, and if they hadn't done it, I think you'd see a lot less angry people and a lot more who understand that BBTS had the rug yanked out from under them by Hasbro, too.
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 02:27 PM

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So while I COULD have gotten Starscream at retail, and I COULD have gotten the rest from eBay or a Canadian before everything sold out, I'm now SOL.

That is on BBTS.


No, as you pointed out one line above, you had other opportunities to obtain these figures. You chose not to take advantage of them. That is on you. BBTS wasn't holding your money. There was nothing to stop you from pursuing those toys elsewhere and dropping your preorders when you had all you wanted. Unless you'd like to tell me how BBTS actively prevented you from buying toys elsewhere until everything was gone?


I had the opportunity to get ONE figure at local retail. BBTS was telling me they'd supply the whole wave. I listened to BBTS. I now have nothing. Why should anyone who has items on preorder assume it won't be filled, and start pestering Canadians to find things for them?

I don't order things from BBTS because of their competitive pricing. I order things from BBTS because it means I actually get the product I order.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 02:29 PM

Fair enough, Swift. But I also think BBTS had a good faith belief that Hasbro would deliver adequate inventory to them so they could fill all the pre-orders that the shady methods would generate. So again, aiming the ire at BBTS feels misplaced. Especially as much as it's being portrayed as BBTS actively doing something to the people who preordered.

QUOTE(ShinRa Inc @ Jan 30 2012, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I had the opportunity to get ONE figure at local retail. BBTS was telling me they'd supply the whole wave. I listened to BBTS. I now have nothing. Why should anyone who has items on preorder assume it won't be filled, and start pestering Canadians to find things for them?

I don't order things from BBTS because of their competitive pricing. I order things from BBTS because it means I actually get the product I order.


And BBTS would have filled your order if Hasbro had supplied the merchandise as expected. But BBTS did not do anything to deprive you of your chances to get the figures you wanted otherwise.

Edited by ExVee, 30 January 2012 - 02:34 PM.


#240 ShinRa Inc

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 02:33 PM

QUOTE(SwiftEagle @ Jan 30 2012, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the reason people are kind of steamed at BBTS is just the whole thing where they seemingly intentionally misled customers to make them panic and think the First Edition figures weren't coming out in brick-and-mortar stores at all, by selectively leaving TRU out of their list of "You won't be able to find them HERE, so you'd better order now!" names. That was a little skeezy, and if they hadn't done it, I think you'd see a lot less angry people and a lot more who understand that BBTS had the rug yanked out from under them by Hasbro, too.


Pretty much. Usually if BBTS is unsure they're getting an item, they say so. In this case, they basically tried their hardest to get people to panic and preorder from them, with absolutely no hint that there could be problems. And appearently, they've known this since sometime last week, but sat on the news rather than tell their customers, and let them try and pursue other options.

It's backfired terribly on them, and that's mostly Hasbro's fault, but they don't walk off unscathed, as far as I'm concerned. And it's not like kvetching about Hasbro screwing up is going to accomplish anything. BBTS could, in theory, at least make good to their customers on this somehow. Other than pretending to be K-Mart and automatically switching everyone's orders to stuff they don't want.

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