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@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:17 PM)

That was a quality read. Both sides of that thread's argument went pretty crazy.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 02:11 PM)

"When Beast Wars made Optimus a monkey nobody complained" ~ someone desperate for a 'gotcha'

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:05 PM)

I want to find the rock they've been under that there isn't constantly complaining about something.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:04 PM)

For the lack if a better word, it baffles me when someone starts a discussion somewhere that's like "Does anyone else not like the movies?"

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

Careful, it might have something to say about that.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

I'm gonna have to check your opinion out real good to make sure.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 11:55 AM)

Oppinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, but mine is better so shut up.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

To clarify on point 1 since I was typing early in the morning again, "you must hate exactly what I hate" and "you msut like exactly what I like" aren't actually the same statement but they're the same thought process which is "my opinions are objective facts." If you see someone espousing one, they're probably thinking the other, too.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:57 AM)

... what.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 AM)

Andrusi, I imagine to some people online, there isn't that much of a world of difference, at least going by the venom they post; although not at RiD specifically.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 08:55 AM)

The scale of liking and hating is an interval one so you can not like something but not hate it. Pretty sure there's apathy and dislike in between there at least.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 08:07 AM)

And humans are perfectly capable of hating things in unison while being divided on liking.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:34 AM)

On the other hand, there's a world of difference between "I hate RID" and "I hate Nazis."

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:27 AM)

On one hand, "hating what I hate" IS "liking what I like." One of those cultures can't be worse than the other because they're literally the same culture.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:26 AM)

I think that comparison is both an oversimplification AND a meaningless distinction.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 07:16 AM)

That's the internet effect. Distance and anonimity make for easy and consequence-less extremism.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 06:58 AM)

I think the aggressive "How dare you not hate exactly what I hate" culture online is worse than the aggressive "How dare you not like exactly what I like" culture.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 06:19 AM)

And now that song/scene and its many many parodies are running through my head.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 06:18 AM)

Patrick Swayze didnt!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:58 AM)

lol. As long as they knock first.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

Or as ghosts. I guess ghosts would be acceptable.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

For now, I'd just find some small comfort in knowing those who have passed actually are in some sort of better place.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:56 AM)

I'd find comfort in knowing that one way or another, that suffering would eventually end and a new, potentially happier beginning awaits.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:54 AM)

@LBD At the same time, I can't imagine wanting to stay in even a happy afterlife when fleshies are still suffering.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:49 AM)

Celebrating and welcoming death just gives them more ideological hoops to justify killing others. So yeah, no thanks.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

The idea of death doesn't bother me so much as no longer existing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

at the very least, my body will feed the grass which feeds the antelope which feeds the lio- ....wait

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Yeah, that's kind of the thing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Some cultures celebrate/welcome death (of course, those also have some form of afterlife)

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

You shouldn't be. What with having absolutely no knowledge or control over it.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

Death is scary, which is why we either spend our lives avoiding the subject or staying up late overthinking it.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

"Never did want to live forever." I'm more bothered about what -- if anything -- is next.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

Though I think the brain is a finite storage space so you'd probably start forgetting so much after some point it'd be like a new person transitioning in every few centuries. That'd be a good reason to keep a diary.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:43 AM)

I think immortality is possible biologically in the future, or at least living for vastly longer spans of time. I'd personally be happy to live at least a few thousand years, but I'd aim for forever.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:34 AM)

@MEDdMI Oh man, that bugs me all the time.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:33 AM)

Well, yesterday was a depressing bout of thinking I was going to get TR Hot Rod and then not getting TR Hot Rod after all (among other things).

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

Which is also something that bugs me about the "your dead loved ones are always watching you" concept. Do you mind? I'd like a little privacy, please!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:30 AM)

Even if it was possible, I can't help but think people would skip to the "good" parts, like sex.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

exactly.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 05:21 AM)

Besides the fact that it's all silly sci-fi scenarios, you can't just experience a memory and feel what that person felt since you have your own set of perceptual biases by which to judge the event

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 05:19 AM)

We already have something like that. It's called history class.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:18 AM)

"But in my ancestor's memory, they stole our orange first!"

@  Nevermore : (26 April 2017 - 05:14 AM)

"Your great-great-great-great-grandfather stole my great-great-great-great-grandfather's apple! I will kill you for that!"

@  Nevermore : (26 April 2017 - 05:14 AM)

If we had all our ancestors' knowledge, too many people would just use that as a excuse to continue old grudges for generations.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:13 AM)

I remember the same event a bit differently than my parents do, some things I'm sure happened but they don't remember or vice versa, etc.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:12 AM)

the problem with knowledge and memories is that our brains interpret/fill in gaps so it may not be completely accurate. It wouldn't be much different from autobiographical books/movies.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:37 AM)

yeah...this could just end up as a way for them to sell our grandkids Crystal Pepsi Max

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:35 AM)

Well, maybe this facebook mind reading thing I've been hearing about is the first step to that.... though I have to admit I'd prefer if it weren't such an advertising and data-collection obsessed company working on it

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:25 AM)

i'm legitimately hoping for the day when that happens, my snark aside, TM2-Megatron. Imagine what could be accomplished if future generations had first hand knowledge of the thoughts and contexts of the events that shaped their ancestors', and their own, world?

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:24 AM)

Even if it's just a way to download knowledge and memories without consciousness from a brain, I think that would go a long way towards easing people's minds.


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#181 The Doctor Who

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:28 AM

QUOTE(Goblez @ Jan 30 2012, 12:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I thought at Botcon they said the repaints of Wheeljack and Soundwave in DOTM will be in the RiD line


Oh, well, that's fine then.

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QUOTE(The Doctor Who @ Jan 29 2012, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Nanite @ Jan 30 2012, 12:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, what does this mean for the DOTM tail-end deluxes, and the Movie Trilogy waves?

... suddenly I'm very worried for the G1 Homage DotM Wheeljack...


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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:44 AM

Macroecinomically, margins are getting really tight, and Hasbro may not be as willing to take even minor risks. Sadly, I think we'll see more of this sort of thing happening, not less.
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#183 Year Zero

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 06:14 AM

I think you may have hit on something there.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 10:42 AM

BBTS responded to my followup and said that the new preorders would just be RID toys...which comes as no surprise since the preorders are up now.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:06 AM

Yep, just got the email notification. Time to clear those Hasbro Prime preorders out of there, I'll just buy anything I want from that from brick and mortar.
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:18 AM

Yup, just received this:

"Hi - Hasbro has informed us that they have cancelled the 'First Edition' releases of Transformers Prime.

Your preorder for: First Edition Cliffjumper
will be converted to: TF Prime Robots in Disguise Cliffjumper
The price remains the same as ordered. .

Feel free to cancel or adjust the updated preorder however you would like, we apologize for the inconvenience of the cancelled product."

I'll cancel, thanks!
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#187 Engledogg

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:20 AM

Same here...what a disappointment. I mean, I knew the cancellations were inevitable, but now that it's actually happening...sigh.

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#188 ShinRa Inc

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:34 AM

...so, I got the same e-mail, but only regarding the Deluxe 1.5 wave, which the e-mail claims has been 'converted' to RiD Wave 1.

Except my preorder still lists FE wave 1.5.

And the e-mail doesn't mention the Voyager or Entertainment pack, and they're still in my preorders.

"The old preorder price was $59.99 , the new preorder price is $64.99 due to a price increase, but we will honor previous price and fill the order at $59.99"

And no....I don't want a "discount" on toys I can /still/ get cheaper at any store in the area. I want a discount on the Takara versions of the toys I preordered, dude. Jeez.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:34 AM

Hey BBTS. F**K YOU. I'm taking my business elsewhere for a while.
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#190 Year Zero

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:36 AM

Just got my e-mail too.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:37 AM

Got the same email, but about Voyager Optimus.

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Hi - Hasbro has informed us that they have cancelled the 'First Edition' releases of Transformers Prime.

Your preorder for: First Edition Voyager Optimus Prime
will be converted to: TF Prime Robots in Disguise Voyager Prime

The price remains the same at $22.99

Feel free to cancel or adjust the updated preorder however you would like, we apologize for the inconvenience of the cancelled product.

Thanks
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I don't blame BBTS for this, but I darn sure will be canceling this preorder.

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#192 Sprocket

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:37 AM

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Hey BBTS. F**K YOU. I'm taking my business elsewhere for a while.

...it's not really their fault. At all.
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#193 Engledogg

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:40 AM

Got the Voyagers e-mail:

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Hi - Hasbro has informed us that they have cancelled the 'First Edition' releases of Transformers Prime.

Your preorder for: First Edition Voyager Set of 2 (Optimus & Bulkhead)
will be converted to: Robots in Disguise Voyager Set of 2 (Optimus & Megatron)

The old preorder price was $59.99. The new preorder price is $45.99.

Feel free to cancel or adjust the updated preorder however you would like, we apologize for the inconvenience of the cancelled product.

Thanks
Joel
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I wonder what they'll convert the Prime vs. Megatron Entertainment Pack into...the one with Starscream and Bumblebee?

While none of this is really BBTS's fault...I wish they would have done something like ShinRa mentioned above...maybe first crack at the preorders for the Takara versions and/or a discount? Perhaps they could have held back some of those Takara preorders in reserve for the folks that preordered the Hasbro versions...

Oh well...

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:43 AM

Got my e-mail for the Voyagers and Deluxes and promptly deleted the orders. If I can't have the superior FE figs then I have absolutely no need for the RID ones because I just won't bother with the line now. If I can find the FE figs I want for a DECENT price, then I'll start buying RID.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(Spark @ Jan 30 2012, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey BBTS. F**K YOU. I'm taking my business elsewhere for a while.

...it's not really their fault. At all.

Indeed. Wanna blame Hasbro and the retailers who said "pass!", then go right ahead. But BBTS had absolutely nothing to do with this mess.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:45 AM

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So, was Zombie Cliffjumper part of the first edition waves or is it part of the RiD line?

Thing is, we here in Canada have allegedly gotten the whole PFE line, but I have never seen Zombie Cliff or the Vehicon at retail.



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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:47 AM

I don't like the automatic substitution that they're doing. I know they're trying to make it easy for customers, making the assumption that people want the characters rather than the specific toys. But as evidenced by the replies in this thread, people don't. They'd rather have nothing.

Woe be onto those that miss this email and think that their FE pre-orders are proceeding as planned. Until they get a box full of TF Prime RiD figures.

Edited by NightViper, 30 January 2012 - 11:48 AM.


#198 Spark

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(Sprocket @ Jan 30 2012, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Spark @ Jan 30 2012, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey BBTS. F**K YOU. I'm taking my business elsewhere for a while.

...it's not really their fault. At all.

Indeed. Wanna blame Hasbro and the retailers who said "pass!", then go right ahead. But BBTS had absolutely nothing to do with this mess.

They advertise as being the exclusive carrier for a line, they better damn well have a lock on the line before touting it.
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#199 Spark

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:52 AM

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I don't like the automatic substitution that they're doing. I know they're trying to make it easy for customers, making the assumption that people want the characters rather than the specific toys. But as evidenced by the replies in this thread, people don't. They'd rather have nothing.

For exclusives, it makes sense to order. For the first wave of a regular line, it doesn't, as stores will be full of them within two months, at lower prices.
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#200 Jeremy

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:53 AM

QUOTE(NightViper @ Jan 30 2012, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't like the automatic substitution that they're doing. I know they're trying to make it easy for customers, making the assumption that people want the characters rather than the specific toys. But as evidenced by the replies in this thread, people don't. They'd rather have nothing.

Woe be onto those that miss this email and think that their FE pre-orders are proceeding as planned. Until they get a box full of TF Prime RiD figures.


I can kind of see it both ways. Yeah, it's kind of sketchy because they're not the same toys, or even the same characters in all cases, but this also lets people who preordered awhile back "keep their spot in line" just in case the demand is high.

And yeah, I cancelled mine. Too bad there aren't more Takara 1st Editions to go around. Going to keep an eye on that Voyager Optimus Prime listing. icon-op.gif

Edited by Jeremy, 30 January 2012 - 11:53 AM.

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