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@  2017 : (17 October 2017 - 05:56 PM)

It scared me!

@  Kalidor : (17 October 2017 - 05:42 PM)

Yes - here is more information - https://www.battleforthenet.com/

@  Darth Gonzo : (17 October 2017 - 05:36 PM)

Hello?

@  Evac : (17 October 2017 - 04:39 PM)

Yeah, it's the Allspark.

@  wonko the sane? : (17 October 2017 - 04:35 PM)

Okay, so it is the allspark doing it, and not some piece of malware I need to run a system scan over, that's basically all I wanted to know.

@  Evac : (17 October 2017 - 04:34 PM)

If, say, Hillary or Bernie was president, we'd have a chance, but with the current administration... We're pretty much hugged.

@  Evac : (17 October 2017 - 04:32 PM)

I don't know why we're even bothering; there's no way in hell a GOP-controlled congress would listen to common proles like us.

@  Evac : (17 October 2017 - 04:32 PM)

Yeah, so did I.

@  wonko the sane? : (17 October 2017 - 04:19 PM)

Okay, so I just got a pop up telling me I need to call congress about the FCC killing net neutrality. Anyone else get that?

@  Dracula : (17 October 2017 - 09:45 AM)

I'd probably use a primer coat on either of them.

@  unluckiness : (17 October 2017 - 07:21 AM)

Wonder if Overboard or Crashbash would be easier to paint over. Generally dark colors are harder but then again, screaming fuschia seems like it'd be difficult to cover too.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (16 October 2017 - 02:46 PM)

Damn, the shoutbox won't accept those characters. I mean "open-mid back unrounded vowel" on Wikipedia.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (16 October 2017 - 02:46 PM)

Λ

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (16 October 2017 - 02:45 PM)

@Bass X0 Ha, I think some Asian accents of English, that mispronunciation would be considered standard, as those accents lack [ʌ].

@  MEDdMI : (16 October 2017 - 12:08 PM)

She's the last thing you hear before your doom.

@  Noideaforaname : (15 October 2017 - 07:34 PM)

The cat can talk?!

@  MEDdMI : (15 October 2017 - 06:30 PM)

TMM's first cat was Cookie b/c that's the first word he said when he saw her

@  Bass X0 : (15 October 2017 - 05:34 PM)

Reminds me of when my nephew was one year old and my sister got him a puppy. He couldn't say puppy properly and it sounded like poppy, so Poppy is what they called her.

@  Arazyr : (15 October 2017 - 02:36 PM)

Yeah. I thought it had some interesting informational articles too.

@  Bass X0 : (15 October 2017 - 01:59 PM)

does anyone else miss the ToyFare magazine? I just read it for the pictures and jokes rather than using it as a serious guide for buying and selling toys.

@  Arazyr : (15 October 2017 - 09:21 AM)

Uncle Bobby Peach, baby! Uncle Bobby Peach!

@  Arazyr : (15 October 2017 - 09:21 AM)

Last night, playing Mario Kart with my daughter, I misread Baby Peach as "Bobby Peach".

@  Onyxstrike : (15 October 2017 - 09:03 AM)

Yeah, I might've forgotten that the Beast is pretty much just a mindless killing machine. That's pretty much what I get for going off of the TFWiki summaries without having actually read any of it.

@  tffan01 : (15 October 2017 - 08:34 AM)

@Onyxstrike Well, to be fair, the quality of the story aside, Beast Within illustrates the fact that Dinobots are feral in nature, with what would happen if they actually lost control. That's a character flaw in a way, correct? 

@  2017 : (15 October 2017 - 08:21 AM)

Send me a PM if you need help getting to the true ending, also.

@  Strafe : (15 October 2017 - 08:15 AM)

Thinking about quirky robots occupies 30% of my brain's daily processing power. I can't remember birthdays and I never know where my phone is, but it's totally worth it.

@  2017 : (15 October 2017 - 08:03 AM)

Yay, I look forward to your dealings with quirky robots!

@  Strafe : (15 October 2017 - 08:01 AM)

Definitely, I started setting aside funds a month ago for the inevitable Black Friday digital sales in the Playstation and Xbox stores. Going to be ready this year, and that's one of the many games on my list!

@  2017 : (15 October 2017 - 07:30 AM)

Hey Strafe will you ever play Nier: Automata?

@  Onyxstrike : (15 October 2017 - 07:19 AM)

Plus, The Beast Within is overall not a very good story.

@  Onyxstrike : (15 October 2017 - 07:19 AM)

The problem is is that Victory's dreams are meant to prey on the Dinobot's character flaws. For instance, Grimlock downing every Decepticon in his path, but falling for Starscream's begging for mercy schtick, preys on his arrogence. What character flaws does The Beast Within prey on? Nothing. The entire premise of the book was to please the many fans who posed the many hypothetical "What if the Dinobots combined?" scenarios way back when, with a gratuitous death count to boot.

@  Bass X0 : (15 October 2017 - 05:51 AM)

What's wrong with wanting it to be a canon dream sequence?

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 October 2017 - 01:14 PM)

go home bass you are drunk

@  Bass X0 : (14 October 2017 - 12:15 PM)

My fanon is that The Beast Within is a follow up the Marvel UK annual story Victory. In Victory, the Dinobots are trapped within a dream world, unable to wake up - each one having dreams, ending in the Dinobots having another dream then waking up in a comic issue. My fanon is that The Beast Within is their final dream that finally pushes them into waking up.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 October 2017 - 10:25 AM)

As long as that means The Beast Within is still non-canon, I'm fine with it.

@  Locoman : (14 October 2017 - 09:29 AM)

When everything is canon, nothing is.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 October 2017 - 09:25 AM)

The TF multiverse is an arbitrary concept. Whatever an author thinks, goes.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 October 2017 - 05:59 AM)

Trypticon vs Deathsaurer. Make it happen!

@  tffan01 : (14 October 2017 - 05:31 AM)

Going by AVP, is Spider-Man and Zoids comic canon to the TF multiverse???

@  D Immortalis : (14 October 2017 - 12:37 AM)

stop that! we shall never speak of the "Embarassment", 'lest we be punished with more like it! =]

@  Pennpenn : (13 October 2017 - 08:23 PM)

Would the mutant heads have been on the headmasters or on the bodies (sort of like TR Galvatron's "helmet")?

@  Shrug : (13 October 2017 - 08:05 PM)

Alternate reality: Beast Wars mutant heads really took off. Nearly every Transformers since '96 has featured them. The big complaint against the line-wide gimmick in TR isn't being headmasters, it's the lack of mutant heads.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (13 October 2017 - 07:03 PM)

Car TF molds get made all the time; bat TF molds don't. I feel like that justifies making a new Convobat from a mold configured highly unlike the original.

@  Bass X0 : (13 October 2017 - 05:56 PM)

and yet Mindwipe is good enough to use as Convobat.

@  Shrug : (13 October 2017 - 03:19 PM)

I'm okay with that.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (13 October 2017 - 03:07 PM)

Takara seems to have decided that the TR Chromedome mold is unsuitable for anyone else besides Chromedome.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (13 October 2017 - 03:07 PM)

*shrug* No 21st century (Macromaster) Nightbeat toy seems to have satisfied a decent number of people, from what I understand.

@  Locoman : (13 October 2017 - 02:57 PM)

You could probably finagle a pretty good Nightbeat body from TR Chromedome, or even a heavy retool of Cogman.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (13 October 2017 - 02:44 PM)

Nightbeat in particular. Hasbro seems to love him.

@  Shrug : (13 October 2017 - 12:21 PM)

Yeah, they seem to be exploring every possible avenue of G1 now.


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#321 G.B.Blackrock

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 05:19 PM

QUOTE(MrBlud @ Apr 11 2012, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Classics Sideswipe looks far more like a Lamborghini then say Defender looks like Springer.

At least to my eyes.

But it's not an actual car (Walky's point).

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 05:36 PM

How does that factor in with something(s) like Springer that doesn't exist?

Both are still supposed to be "evocative" of something but without crossing the line enough to be sued.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 06:10 PM

QUOTE(MrBlud @ Apr 11 2012, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How does that factor in with something(s) like Springer that doesn't exist?

I'm not sure I understand the question. Springer exists... There have been a few different Springer toys by now, in fact.



#324 Might Gaine

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 06:59 PM

QUOTE(MrBlud @ Apr 11 2012, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Classics Sideswipe looks far more like a Lamborghini then say Defender looks like Springer.

At least to my eyes.


Defender is one of the least infringing of the third party bots, so not a good example. Besides the fact that he is green, has a copter and car mode, and has a vaguely similar head, they don't share much in common. Now, Hercules, on the other hand...

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#325 Sean Whitmore

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 07:08 PM

QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Apr 11 2012, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Defender is one of the least infringing of the third party bots, so not a good example. Besides the fact that he is green, has a copter and car mode, and has a vaguely similar head, they don't share much in common.


I dunno, that's a lot of things to get past.

Especially with how Transformer aesthetics change from medium to medium, color, alt mode, and faces are pretty much the main things by which to identify character design.
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#326 MrBlud

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 07:08 PM

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I'm not sure I understand the question. Springer exists... There have been a few different Springer toys by now, in fact.


Which Defender doesn't match all that closely.

I was just contrasting *that* to Sideswipe not being a stock Lamborghini.

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Now, Hercules, on the other hand...


Well yes, him and Giant are rather blatant.

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#327 M Sipher

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 07:22 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Apr 11 2012, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think it would be a better comparison to third party product if Hasbro were selling actual cars that looked like Porsches or Lamborghinis.

I think this VERY BIG POINT needs to be repeated.


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 07:45 PM

QUOTE(M Sipher @ Apr 12 2012, 01:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Apr 11 2012, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think it would be a better comparison to third party product if Hasbro were selling actual cars that looked like Porsches or Lamborghinis.

I think this VERY BIG POINT needs to be repeated.

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So you're saying Lamborghini don't licence their car likenesses for models, and any toy as much in the likeness of a Lamborghini as (say) Warbot resembles Springer's animation model doesn't infringe those rights?

#329 Might Gaine

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 07:49 PM

QUOTE(Sean Whitmore @ Apr 11 2012, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Apr 11 2012, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Defender is one of the least infringing of the third party bots, so not a good example. Besides the fact that he is green, has a copter and car mode, and has a vaguely similar head, they don't share much in common.


I dunno, that's a lot of things to get past.

Especially with how Transformer aesthetics change from medium to medium, color, alt mode, and faces are pretty much the main things by which to identify character design.

Yeah, but choice of alt mode is just an idea, not concrete enough to be protected by Copyright. And Transformers heads are so similar and derivative anyway, minor alterations are enough to distinguish them from one another. Like, if I put Defender's head on a totally random robot body, would you say, "That's Spinger's head!", assuming you had never heard of or seen Defender?

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#330 Might Gaine

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 07:50 PM

Car designs are different. They're protected by design patents, not Copyright. Things with utility like cars, TVs, washing machines, etc. do not get as much protection as things that are purely entertainment, like stories, characters, art, music, etc.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 06:04 PM

QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Apr 11 2012, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Most third party TF products infringe Copyright, because they look like and are intended to be substitutes for Hasbro's Transformers characters. There's a reason companies don't go around making toys that look suspiciously like Mickey Mouse. Similarly, you can't just go around making toys that look suspiciously like Devastator, Ultra Magnus, etc.

What you can argue is that they're more of an "homage" than an outright use/theft of the character, but in my opinion, only a very small number of third party products fall into that category.

So, yes, they are by and large illegal.

Even the "homage" argument can fail, right? I mean, the people who made the Hercules combiner clearly intended for buyers to pretend that it is Devastator, and not just something that looks suspiciously alike.