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@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 February 2018 - 10:49 AM)

Or a human would freeze to death if dumped out into the vacuum of outer space.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 February 2018 - 10:46 AM)

Or the left hemisphere of the brain is exclusively responsible for logic while the right is responsible for creativity.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 February 2018 - 10:45 AM)

@Pennpenn Haha, like human blood is blue without oxygen?

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 February 2018 - 10:30 AM)

That's a pretty crappy gift.

@  Robowang : (22 February 2018 - 09:45 AM)

The magic butthole fairy brought me a turd

@  Pennpenn : (22 February 2018 - 07:28 AM)

Ah, the only "science fact" I dislike more than "humans only use 10% of the brain".

@  Foffy : (22 February 2018 - 01:39 AM)

According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way that a bee should be able to fly. Its wings are too small to get its fat little body off the ground. The bee, of course, flies anyway, because bees don't care what humans think is impossible

@  wonko the sane? : (21 February 2018 - 10:22 PM)

Nothing wrong a good B movie now and then. What's bothering me is that the search on seems to work based on titles.

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 February 2018 - 09:50 PM)

Not quite as bad as FilmRise's lineup, though

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 February 2018 - 09:50 PM)

Crackle is full of a lot of low budget B movies, too

@  wonko the sane? : (21 February 2018 - 09:47 PM)

urg. Sounds as bad as broadcast TV.

@  Shrug : (21 February 2018 - 08:24 PM)

Completely free. Has commercials inserted in awkward moments. IIRC they tend to slot some in right before the credits. So, show ends. Buffers. Commercials. Buffers. Credits. Buffers. Intro to next show. Buffers. Commercials. Buffers.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 February 2018 - 07:50 PM)

crackle is actually free too? I was oddly leary of that one for some reason, but couldn't find any proof it was pay.

@  Steevy Maximus : (21 February 2018 - 07:38 PM)

They ARE an official content licensor, not "one of those other free sites"

@  Steevy Maximus : (21 February 2018 - 07:37 PM)

One of several free VOD sites/apps that are ad supported. I think Tubi is Paramount. Similar to Crackle, which is owned by Sony

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (21 February 2018 - 06:51 PM)

what is Tubi tv?

@  wonko the sane? : (21 February 2018 - 06:01 PM)

And there's an android app! Sweet!

@  wonko the sane? : (21 February 2018 - 05:57 PM)

oohhh, thanks for the heads up. Seems like lots of decent stuff on there too. Bookmarked.

@  Steevy Maximus : (21 February 2018 - 05:07 PM)

So, I guess Tubi TV got some deal with Hasbro. They got the entire Transformers saga through Animated...minus Beast Wars for some reason.

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 February 2018 - 05:06 PM)

To be fair, if the TF Wiki split a new character page every time a story diverged from previous material, it would spiral ludicrously out of control.

@  ZakuConvoy : (21 February 2018 - 05:01 PM)

It's not a 1 to 1 situation, but it's the closest I can really come up with on the spot. Transformers is kind of different that way.

@  ZakuConvoy : (21 February 2018 - 04:59 PM)

No, but they do put the (trigger warning) pre-Mephisto Spider-Man in with the current Spider-Man. Not to mention Miles Morales's whole deal.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 February 2018 - 04:49 PM)

I mostly meant how Marvel wiki doesn't put say, '80s cartoon Spider-Man as a sub-page of 616 Spider-Man.

@  Shrug : (21 February 2018 - 04:48 PM)

I guess I don't talk to enough Marvel fans.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 February 2018 - 04:47 PM)

Those are still events pertaining to a specific Superman. Not really comparable to how all the G1 Scorponoks are on the same page despite having very different traits and origins, with no retcons attempting to reconcile them.

@  ZakuConvoy : (21 February 2018 - 04:45 PM)

Well, that's kind of what happens with DC comics characters, too. Stories that happened to Pre-Flashpoint Superman, like Doomsday, are still treated like they happened to the current Superman, even if that causes continuity problems, for example.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 February 2018 - 04:42 PM)

If Marvel characters were treated like TF, then a bunch of cartoon and video game versions would be lumped with their main universe counterparts because of similar designs.

@  Shrug : (21 February 2018 - 04:39 PM)

I'd say we treat TF like comic book fans treat Marvel/DC characters. Hasbro doesn't though.

@  ZakuConvoy : (21 February 2018 - 04:36 PM)

I think the closest comparison with how we treat TF characters, that I can think of, is DC comic characters. Sort of.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 February 2018 - 02:47 PM)

There's been a few statements from Hasbro people suggesting that they don't make that kind of distinction between G1 and otherwise as far as characters go. Like whatever somebody said about Magnus Prime's identity.

@  Bass X0 : (21 February 2018 - 02:45 PM)

The IDW comics are the old characters in a new continuity, even if sometimes they don't act the same as they used to. War For Cybertron could have been the G1 characters in a new continuity but Hasbro said no. Whereas the Devastation game is the G1 characters in a new continuity.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 February 2018 - 11:10 AM)

I think it's worth keeping in mind that the TF fandom's definition of same character isn't really used elsewhere.

@  Boomhauer : (21 February 2018 - 11:09 AM)

For what it's worth, the character blurb bios in that one kid's book matched the ones in Aligned, but that could just be a matter of "Hasbro isn't going to let a expensive 600 page story bible go to waste so it keeps being referenced" instead of proof it's an Aligned story.

@  Gryllid : (21 February 2018 - 08:57 AM)

But like, if we say "G1 Soundwave", are the cartoon, comic, and toy bio really all the same character in a way that Aligned Soundwave isn't?

@  Gryllid : (21 February 2018 - 08:57 AM)

I'm not even sure how we'd tell the difference between "G1 characters in a new continuity" and "new characters who look like the G1 characters". Maybe it's sort of a philosophical thing.

@  Nevermore : (21 February 2018 - 04:54 AM)

If you ask Hasbro, Cyberverse is about the Transformers characters.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 February 2018 - 10:09 PM)

We don't really know yet. It could be an amalgamation of things.

@  RichardT1977 : (20 February 2018 - 09:49 PM)

Or is Cyberverse a continuation of Prime/RiD?

@  Plokatron : (20 February 2018 - 07:49 PM)

@RichardT1977 Hahahaha I love this place. My references are gotten here as Scott said "I have found my clan." Yes I did indeed bring the Purple Morphilogical Being into this. Sheesh I just realized he shares the color as a Con!

@  RichardT1977 : (20 February 2018 - 05:04 PM)

@Plokatron did you just drag Ivan Ooze into this?

@  Plokatron : (20 February 2018 - 04:33 PM)

@RichardT1977 Touch me again and you'll be chicken wings in the morning. All I have to say about that. :D

@  Steevy Maximus : (20 February 2018 - 04:17 PM)

It's that one!

@  Bass X0 : (20 February 2018 - 04:01 PM)

Is Cyberverse the original G1 characters in a new continuity or completely new characters in a completely new continuity who happen to look similar to G1 characters but aren't them?

@  RichardT1977 : (20 February 2018 - 02:26 PM)

"Mr. Meeseeks, I want you to kill SCP-682--WITHOUT harming any humans."

@  RichardT1977 : (20 February 2018 - 02:25 PM)

If you're familiar with the relevant works, I've come up with one of the cruelest acts one could ever conceive:

@  Plokatron : (20 February 2018 - 12:05 PM)

As I said sorry. Won't happen again.

@  2018 : (20 February 2018 - 06:03 AM)

Yeah this isn't the place for your big blocks of texts, make a thread?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 February 2018 - 04:54 AM)

They're worse than mutiposts in threads due to the lack of paragraph breaks.

@  Plokatron : (20 February 2018 - 02:33 AM)

Side note in a way it was a good thing I never had the first Millennium Falcon seeing as no matter what it would eventually break. Curse you GPS. Also forgive me I do hope multiposts in shout aren't as frowned on as double posts in threads. If they are this is my vow I'll not let it happen again from my end.

@  Plokatron : (20 February 2018 - 02:31 AM)

By the way getting ready to make my first Preorder ever with BBTS for the Millennium Falcon Transformer in honor of my mother who tried to get me the first one but they sold out before she could. Plus other things happed so I'm helping her keep a promise to me. Also getting Masterpiece Cy-Kill and a model of Thunderbird 2. So glad Preorders don't charge you full till delivery.


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Top 5 Decepticons who you would put on the Nemesis in a G1-remake/Ultimate G1?


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#261 Otaku

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 02:01 PM

So... what about a mass shifting Skorponok? It is completely over the top but some part of me really, really likes it. Whether he was a Headmaster or not, I have this hard time shedding the idea of starting with him not as a city bot but as a normal sized TF that eventually gained the mass-shifting technology to shrink, and then managed to successfully (at least for the short term) reverse the technology to increase his size (then he designs and adds a semi-mobile base a.k.a. "citybot"). This quickly turns the balance of power in his favor. I would have the epic climax where he pushes this technology so far, and something of course goes horribly wrong (also providing a reason why not everyone uses it). I was thinking of a triple whammy: the process requires huge amounts of energy consumption, creates a risk of being sucked into your own subspace pocket (or limbo between realities or some similar problem), and the combination of the two would warp the mind.

I'd bring him back as a Headmaster later... three times. You already knew there was something wrong with me. icon-arcee.gif First I'd have Skorponok return (and abandon his mass shifting technology due to what it did to him) and design his body as a double transtector. I'd try to keep the scorpion alt mode for all three pieces (this is how he adjusts his strategy - he can't mass shift, but you can't be certain what size version of him you're dealing with). When Skorponok is temporarily defeated, an ambitious Mo Zarak (I can't not use Mo!) alters himself with Cybertronian technology to a) become superhuman and b) make use of the rest of Skorponok... and would ultimately also fail and be captured. What begins as a rivalry in prison (not a normal prison, obviously) between the two becomes a bizarre friendship and they are the ones who realize that a war machine as potent as the Skorponok double transtector requires a team to control it (the difficulty of the task would probably be what caused both to fail in the past). Once they make good their escape the deal is struck. Mo abandons more of his humanity to become the small headmaster cyborg component, Skorponok remains in control of the "average Cybertronian" sized component of the unit, and the two together control the full sized citybot version, which I would then dub Dark Skorponok to make things easier to discuss.

Besides the two of them in control, I'd actually play this up as more of an unusual combiner: besides the human (or Nebulan) component, I thought to get a proper size Skorponok we need him to technically be a "combiner" anyway. Maybe I am wrong, but this way Hasbro can release several good sized Transformers that combine to make a citybot that is on par (or perhaps better) than what we've gotten in the past. The actual G1 Skorponok did have Fasttrack (not that he showed up in the cartoon and I have no clue about the comic book), so it isn't a completely random direction to take it.

Or maybe not. It's crazy, but I like it, so I thought I'd share it. The thread could use a good laugh.

Edited by Otaku, 23 January 2012 - 02:05 PM.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 02:23 PM

The simple solution is to make Scorpinok normal sized, like the comic.

However, I think an Ultimate G1 should feature a host of "Warlords" on cybertron, featuring the badassed of leaders depicted in previous media - straxus, scorpy, Overlord, jhaxius, etc. Megatron's crew can then spend just as much time fighting THEM as the autobots do, whether he succeeds in taking them over or not depends upon the writing.

Decepticon politics is fun. We need more of it. and to have it be sensible, we need powerhouse 'cons who have a real shot at leading the 'cons.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 02:47 PM

QUOTE(Otaku @ Jan 22 2012, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Getting back to the main topic (even if the main topic isn't quite what MagmatronPrime intended), ^0^CORVUS^o^ I do like your ideas you've presented. I like mine better, but I have to be honest that yours is far more practical, and it is more practical because it uses a more proven structure than mine, which besides Starscream and "maybe" Bulkhead/Lugnut has no "A-listers", just B-Listers and some "who?" characters for many fans. XD

So you know what? Let's have some more fun discussing this.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 06:11 PM

QUOTE(Item42 @ Jan 23 2012, 07:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(MagmatronPrime @ Jan 23 2012, 01:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're a fan of transformers NOT because you got 2 toys in one. You're a fan because you followed a serious, fun, cartoon that dealt with some of the greatest social themes of the time in a responsible and fun way and introduced you to many science fiction concepts not unlike Star Trek did, leading you to support and embrace technologies like the internet.

You're telling us why we like things, now? You think you're some sort of mind-reader? And what the hell are these "themes" you talk of? You're saying as if these were th absolute core of everything TF instead of, well, heroic aliens come to earth and fight evil aliens.

You know what? Stop it.

There are 3 possibilities - (1) you like TF because you had them as children. I suspect you spend a lot of time on the Garbage Pail Kids forums as well. (2) you like TF because, as I say, the story was pretty good, or (2) you like TF for some other reason. I'm guessing it's a bad reason. Am I wrong? I don't really care. If you don't like TF for the story, I dont' want to talk to you anymore. How's that?

If you're afraid I'm reading your mind - don't be. When I spend several pages talking about the themes of value, and you spend all this time quoting me w/o paying attention to the themes? Yeah. That suggests something.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 06:40 PM

QUOTE(MagmatronPrime @ Jan 23 2012, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There are 3 possibilities - (1) you like TF because you had them as children. I suspect you spend a lot of time on the Garbage Pail Kids forums as well. (2) you like TF because, as I say, the story was pretty good, or (2) you like TF for some other reason. I'm guessing it's a bad reason. Am I wrong? I don't really care. If you don't like TF for the story, I dont' want to talk to you anymore. How's that?

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(MagmatronPrime @ Jan 23 2012, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There are 3 possibilities - (1) you like TF because you had them as children. I suspect you spend a lot of time on the Garbage Pail Kids forums as well. (2) you like TF because, as I say, the story was pretty good, or (2) you like TF for some other reason. I'm guessing it's a bad reason. Am I wrong? I don't really care. If you don't like TF for the story, I dont' want to talk to you anymore. How's that?

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 06:45 PM

QUOTE(Big Show @ Jan 23 2012, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(WorkbenchManiac @ Jan 23 2012, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(MagmatronPrime @ Jan 23 2012, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There are 3 possibilities - (1) you like TF because you had them as children. I suspect you spend a lot of time on the Garbage Pail Kids forums as well. (2) you like TF because, as I say, the story was pretty good, or (2) you like TF for some other reason. I'm guessing it's a bad reason. Am I wrong? I don't really care. If you don't like TF for the story, I dont' want to talk to you anymore. How's that?

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Magmatron will not be around to respond for the next two weeks so let's drop this whole thing and move on.
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Posted 24 January 2012 - 12:02 PM

Can we actually discuss ideas on this thread that don't pertain to MagmatronPrime?

I think ^0^CORVUS^o^ and I are playing "nice", and at least somewhat on topic. Since the thread isn't being locked, I am assuming so, but I am also paranoid, so I am still asking.
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Posted 25 January 2012 - 06:06 PM

I think we're good to go actually.

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 06:24 PM

yeah the A-list names would be hard to do without (in some prominent area) in the story, since hasbro has a WHOLE PILE of money saying those names draw crowds... and they'd be absolutely no room for D-listers and beyond like Hauler or Deceptitran for the vast length of the relaunch.

Prime's writers did a good job given this mandate
A

Prime, Arcee, Ratchet, Bumblebee... Ironhide on the way
Megatron, Soundwave, Starscream...

B

Bulkhead, Wheeljack, Brakedown, Cliffjumper : solid B list names


I'd love a series that dealt with E list and entirely new characters, but in all honesty for me that's always what Fanfic is for.
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#272 Otaku

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 11:43 AM

I understand what you mean Destron D-69. I really doubt I could get away with it, but I would hope that something close to my suggestions would work. I mean, my plans for Megatron and Optimus Prime would basically be to bookend the action on Earth with their responses on Cybertron. I know some prefer Cybertron's current status to be a mystery, though hey it still could. Nothing says Cybertron wasn't almost completely abandoned due to the resource crisis with almost every Cybertronian exiled...

...anyway, so yeah I was hoping to make most of the A-listers function as something akin to the Elite Guard, and hanging with Optimus Prime (for Autobots, Megatron of course for Decepticons). Plus every few episodes would just shift the focus a bit, instead having the Earth based teams book end that episode/story arc. I want some potential diversity but with enough connections younger or new viewers could avoid getting lost.

That sound impossible, or just risky? icon-arcee.gif

Oh, so as an example, Optimus Prime would be cruising around with a larger crew. Indeed I probably would alter the series so that whatever crashed on earth first wasn't the Ark... that would be what Prime was on. Stretching the original idea of the thread quite a bit, but oh well. After a few episodes (or story arcs) worrying about the lack of reinforcements, Optimus starts sending some of his own crew to earth to back up those already there. Namely one earth goes from "potential power source" to "potential colony world". Much good story material can be had with the reactions as some of those reinforcements arrive. Imagine Wheeljack or Perceptor hanging with Lander and Diver... since those two probably outrank them, and even Kup (who I had as leader of the Earth Team). I mean, keeping with their G1 personalities as depicted in the cartoon, you've got the crazy inventor and the inventor who drives you crazy! XD

If this was a successful series, I'd love to build to a televised movie event where all the various teams (or rather, exploration crews) finally met up and... since we are talking both sides, chaos breaks out. In the climax (as opposed to first 20 minutes) we see that mostly we are down to the various leader characters. There would be a little bit of a power struggle on both sides, but more so on the Decepticon side, but in the end we get a final, drag out battle between the top Autobots (even if that includes little of the Earth crew) and the top Cons (again, even if that means just one or two of the series regulars).

Then if that isn't the end of the series, it could be used for a G1 Season 3-esque change of the status quo... just done in a manner that is less risky and confusing than what actually happened.

Edited by Otaku, 26 January 2012 - 11:54 AM.

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