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@  B-Fox : (16 January 2018 - 01:33 PM)


@  Shrug : (16 January 2018 - 01:21 PM)

I love RotF Mixmaster, if that means anything.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (16 January 2018 - 12:42 PM)

Ehh.. when they get to complicated.. it gets annoying. PotP Optimus is decent. Rodimus pushes it just a little.

@  Locoman : (16 January 2018 - 12:32 PM)

Part of the appeal of Transformers for me has always been the mechanical puzzle angle, so I really enjoyed the ROTF/TF2010 line when that angle hit its zenith.

@  Locoman : (16 January 2018 - 12:31 PM)

I'm probably one of the few people who really enjoys complicated, fiddly transformations.

@  Steevy Maximus : (16 January 2018 - 12:14 PM)

Some were decent, but many suffered from that "collector mentality" where it just LOOKED good in both modes...but the engineering was complex merely for the sake of it.

@  Shrug : (16 January 2018 - 10:30 AM)

Huh. That's dissapointing. I had completely missed the Alternators and had just always assumed they were good based on how they looked in photos.

@  Pennpenn : (16 January 2018 - 03:34 AM)

I liked the Alternator Tracks mold. I think everyone agrees the Grimjack mold was just kinda shit even if you didn't care about it being Grimlock as a car.

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 January 2018 - 09:16 PM)

My local dept. store Shopko always seemed to get a few late run gems, like Blast Attack Optimus Primal and hard to find collection 2 Revenge of the Sith toys.

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 January 2018 - 09:15 PM)

Still wish I had snagged that extra Swerve I saw on clearance at Shopko, though

@  RichardT1977 : (15 January 2018 - 08:50 PM)

Smokescreen was the only Alternator I ever got.

@  Telly : (15 January 2018 - 07:24 PM)

i sold all my alternators last year

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 January 2018 - 05:27 PM)

Hound isn't bad, and, uh........

@  Paladin : (15 January 2018 - 05:23 PM)

there's only like 3 Alternator molds at most that still hold up...

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 January 2018 - 01:09 PM)

There were no shelfwarmer Altenators where I lived.. Cause no one ever got them in. x.x;

@  Bass X0 : (15 January 2018 - 12:57 PM)

I have Alternators Nemesis Prime since he was a shelf warmer here.

@  unluckiness : (15 January 2018 - 10:07 AM)

You wouldn't want to anyway

@  Chromedome113 : (15 January 2018 - 07:21 AM)

My first Prime was Alternators Optimus, I still can't transform him

@  Shrug : (14 January 2018 - 06:42 PM)

Ah. I'll try to remember that, but I keep forgetting "Gobots" the Autobot even existed.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2018 - 05:02 PM)

"Gobots" is the G2 Autobot Color Changer.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2018 - 05:01 PM)

@Shrug That would be "Go-Bots".

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 January 2018 - 03:16 AM)

At least you still had a big beefy super robot with giant guns.

@  JasperGunner... : (14 January 2018 - 01:47 AM)

My first Prime was Cybertron Prime. I was too stupid to know how to transform him lol

@  Shrug : (13 January 2018 - 11:15 PM)

My first Prime was Transmetal Primal. Second was RID Prime. My first Megatron was actually Gobots Megatron. I just didn't know he was Megatron for like 15 years. I often used him as "Roller" for RID Prime and I assume he's never really forgiven me.

@  Telly : (13 January 2018 - 10:39 PM)

my first prime was g1 prime actually in 1984. saw him at a store and begged my grandparents to give me my christmas money early lol

@  unitremover : (13 January 2018 - 10:33 PM)

Mine was Beast Machines deluxe Primal but I don't think I knew he what he was at the time.

@  Dekafox : (13 January 2018 - 09:32 PM)

My first Prime was actually LioConvoy... followed by Fire Convoy

@  Shrug : (13 January 2018 - 11:57 AM)

@Telly, but G1 Rodimus's vehicle mode is so durn sexy

@  LBD "Nyt... : (13 January 2018 - 04:30 AM)

PMOP was my second, and my first Optimus.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (13 January 2018 - 04:29 AM)

My first Prime was Power Master Prime.. And though Titans Return had Power Master Prime.. Power of the Primes feels more like Power Master Prime to me.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (13 January 2018 - 04:17 AM)

Still wanted Hot Rod too, though.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (13 January 2018 - 04:17 AM)

I had Rodimus Prime as a kid, he was the first Prime I owned, and I loved 'im.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (13 January 2018 - 12:27 AM)

At least he doesn't feel like he's about to fall apart in my hands like Masterpiece did.

@  Otaku : (12 January 2018 - 11:50 PM)

As a kid, I remember being confused that Rodimus Prime and Hot Rod had separate action figures. I thought there should be one that you could change between the "two".

@  Telly : (12 January 2018 - 10:59 PM)

'86 rodimus prime was a joke, even by '86 standards. it BARELY qualified as a transformer and his face was terrible

@  Bass X0 : (12 January 2018 - 05:05 PM)

He's leaps and bounds above the original 1986 Rodimus Prime, it's unbelievable. That's more of a criticism to 1986 Rodimus Prime's simplicity though.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (12 January 2018 - 03:14 PM)

Rodimus is insainly complicated at first though.

@  Bass X0 : (12 January 2018 - 03:07 PM)

I like to imagine that Orion Pax has his own Cybertronian vehicle mode even though the toy doesn't have it. It would be Orion Pax evolving into Optimus Prime, but Optimus Prime cannot turn back into Orion Pax (even though the toy obviously can).

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (12 January 2018 - 03:05 PM)

Orion Pax? Only into Prime's truck mode.

@  Locoman : (12 January 2018 - 02:22 PM)

Timeout. Does it convert?

@  Dekafox : (12 January 2018 - 02:06 PM)

You mean: *var mode

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (12 January 2018 - 01:50 PM)

*Sorry to be that guy, but *vehicle.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (12 January 2018 - 01:11 PM)

I love the leaders.. Just complicated! I am semi disapointed that they didn't somehow get Orions vehical mode in there though.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (12 January 2018 - 11:48 AM)

Possibly. Cause I didn't know how to transform his legs and was pulling the poor guy every whichaway

@  wonko the sane? : (12 January 2018 - 11:44 AM)

Maybe paladin just got the last one built on friday?

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (12 January 2018 - 11:42 AM)

Dunno about that... He seems pretty damn stable with as much as I was pulling and twisting.

@  Paladin : (12 January 2018 - 11:35 AM)

apparently he breaks easily. my interest has all but worn off.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (12 January 2018 - 11:17 AM)

Rodimus is more complicated than I thought.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (12 January 2018 - 10:57 AM)

I know I said PotP was Power Masters... But Prime -really- is very much desinged like the original PM Prime

@  wonko the sane? : (12 January 2018 - 10:46 AM)

And BBTS finally shipped mine! Will be another two weeks till they get here, but still! At least some good news today.

Clear repro Fansproject DIA Commander armor.

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#1 (Deactivated) mignash

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 11:10 AM

From the Planet Iacon Facebook page.


Seems there is a clear version of the DIA commander armor being produced, probably not by Fansproject. Looks nice with Crystal Convoy.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 06:15 AM

While the Takara Crystal Convoy is almost impossible to get, and KOtoys reproduction of it is offline, I see Chimungmung just started stocking "Krystal Konvoy". For those without the rare Takara toy that might be the only option to put a cab on this armor.


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Posted 31 January 2012 - 06:46 AM

Title should read 'KO' then, not 'Repro'....

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:30 AM

I cannot see this being a good idea. Even if FP made it

Transparent plastic plus that nasty tight grip these things have on the legs of the Prime mold basically mean that you are not going to get it off the feet, and if you try, something is going to break horribly

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 06:31 PM

QUOTE(Cat @ Jan 31 2012, 06:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Title should read 'KO' then, not 'Repro'....

Can you define the difference between a reproduction and a knockoff to you?

Technically they are the same thing, but I usually say reproduction if it's a medium to high quality immitation sold to the collectors market, which these seem to be from my experience with the other non-Fansproject made Commander armors, and usually say knockoff for low quality mass produced item sold the the kids in China or in discount stores in the USA.

Edited by mignash, 31 January 2012 - 06:33 PM.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 06:41 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Jan 31 2012, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can you define the difference between a reproduction and a knockoff to you?

There isn't any.

"Reproduction" as often used by sellers, is just a way of presenting a shadily produced knock-off as somehow more savoury.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 06:49 PM

If they are the same thing then I didn't used it wrong.

Like Reprolables or Tranrepro parts, Reproduction is generally used to mean some collector's item not made by the original company. Knockoff had the connotation of being cheap mass produced copies of low quality.

For my personal use, this is a "knockoff" Starscream:

This is a "reproduction" Starscream:




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Posted 31 January 2012 - 06:50 PM


Both are frauds.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:58 PM

to stir the pot in this pointless semantics debate...

Are Reprolabels knockoffs?

Looking for; 2005 Botcon Ratchet, Junker Classics Optimus Prime (for parts)

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 08:20 PM

QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Jan 31 2012, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The answer would be "Cat" who brought it up.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 08:33 PM

QUOTE(ShinRa Inc @ Feb 1 2012, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
to stir the pot in this pointless semantics debate...

Are Reprolabels knockoffs?

The ones that replicate existing sticker sheets, yes

The ones that add more detail? Nope

Anywho, I still stand by my point that this is a mold that should not be done in transparent plastic

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 10:54 PM

Didn't we have the argument before? It's semantics at best. Just calling something a "reproduction" adds an air of legitimacy to it. As though Fansproject perhaps allowed a new company to pick up the Commander armor mantle that it no long desired to wear . Since this is likely not the case - it's a knock off, a boot leg or, if you really want to still use reproduction just tack on "unauthorized" to the front.

For a more precise example: the minibot keychains were reproductions. Encore Optimus Prime, Megatron, etc is a reproduction. They are not original G1 toys, but they are new versions of old toys made by their original creators. This is a fourth party stealing a third party's idea and making their own copy of it.

In any case yes it's pretty but I also agree it looks crack-tastic. It'd be surprised if it arrived in one piece let alone held together long enough to put it on.

Edited by Dake, 31 January 2012 - 10:58 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 01:01 AM

^What Dake said.

This is a KO, not a reproduction.

It's also a KO because it's not authorised by the original maker, and is not actually a reproduction of the item, as it's different anyway (FP never did a clear version).

It's a KO.

Edited by Cat, 01 February 2012 - 01:18 AM.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 01:22 AM

I believe the word you're looking for is "counterfeit"

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 02:53 AM

"No officer, these aren't counterfeit Louis Vutton handbags. They're just high quality imitations. See, totally fine. Wait, why are you still cuffing me?"

And bonus: seeing this set is most likely to be used with a KOLD Convoy (unless im wrong on the manufacturer of that KO. I do get the whole CHMS thing confused sometime), isn't the clue right there? The KO part in KOLD says it all.

And Mignash, you chopped off the rest of what Nickstart said. It also mattered.

If I started a thread in the main Transformers forum about Prime toys, but labelled the thread as 'Kre-Os', people would immediately point out my use of the wrong term. Same here. You've labelled this as 'Repro', when it's not.

A thread about FP doing this would also go in this forum, so isn't it best to be clear, and use the correct terminology?

Edited by Cat, 01 February 2012 - 03:00 AM.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 06:52 AM

What annoys me is the people who keep bringing up the ethics of KOs in every thread about a KO product. Seems to be an effort by certain people to harass the subject into silence and it's very annoying.

Edited by mignash, 01 February 2012 - 06:53 AM.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:04 AM

Just suggesting more accurate terminology.

You're paranoid.

EDIT: Although when we ARE talking about stolen goods, why bother mincing around it? They're counterfeit, fake, KO, bootleg, etc.

They are what they are.

Edited by Cat, 01 February 2012 - 07:05 AM.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 09:39 AM

My name is Dake and I have a box full of KO Classics Seekers. There - I'm on the dark side with you Mignash. icon-fire.gif It's not about shaming or guilting or anything else. Just being honest about the origins. After all, this entire sub-forum is dedicated to KOs.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 05:36 PM

I think it's about being accurate in description. Both Knockoffs/Reproductions are illegally copied, no one is debating that. I use the word reproduction for highly accurate collectables, and knockoff for the cheap ones. Nothing wrong with that. I don't stand for the dishosest practice I see on ebay sometimes where a seller describes a reproduction as a "reissue", that would be lying.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 06:21 PM

A reproduction ISN'T necessarily illegally copied.

However, in this case you ARE talking about a Knock Off.

You're using the terms incorrectly.

Correct title for this thread wold be ' Clear KO FP DIA Commander Armour'.