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@  Evac : (28 April 2017 - 11:49 AM)

And I... Have my sarcasm.

@  TheMightyMol... : (28 April 2017 - 11:47 AM)

Search history has changed! Spam forums triumph! And you....you no longer post relevant content!

@  Evac : (28 April 2017 - 11:46 AM)

Mayhem hazzzz planzzzz.

@  Nutjob R/T : (28 April 2017 - 11:36 AM)

Subforums don't die. They wait. And plan.

@  Benbot : (28 April 2017 - 09:44 AM)

Are there any plans to delete or move dead subforums?

@  MEDdMI : (28 April 2017 - 05:49 AM)

instead of blackjack, we have dice rolls in the RP and there was an actual card game in another thread.

@  Bass X0 : (28 April 2017 - 05:19 AM)

They could start their own Beast Mayhem with Blackjack and Hookers.

@  MEDdMI : (28 April 2017 - 05:16 AM)

There's plenty of talented artists in Beast Mayhem! ....though we tend to draw things that can't be posted anyway. :doh

@  wlg3 : (28 April 2017 - 01:15 AM)

I really enjoy the creative sub forums of TFW, though, like their kitbash and fan art forums. The creative forums have lots of talented, friendly people and is an active, supportive community.

@  wlg3 : (28 April 2017 - 01:13 AM)

Gotta agree with Evac... TFW has a lot of cool, talented people, but they're overwhelmingly outnumbered by unbearable neckbeards

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:20 PM)

I do enjoy the TFW podcast. and that subforum's usually very civil. It's the best place to actually talk about TFers there :D also the Radicons forum is ok if you just like looking at kitbash pr0n

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 PM)

There's some cool people on the site, thankfully. It's just the morons tend to outnumber them... Which is generally the rule on most forums thanks to the GIFT.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:17 PM)

In all honesty, the better parts of the site are the non-TF parts.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

yeah, and their love of 3p is just...i don't get it.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:03 PM)

TFW can be... literal with the rules sometimes. Like, a discussion about favorite human characters gets LOCKED if you mention Agent Fowler because "all Prime discussion belongs in the RiD forums".

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:48 PM)

Also, as far as TFW's No Politics goes...it's nice in theory but then you end up with the current IDW stories that lean HEAVILY into politics and religion. I've had more than a few lengthy posts exploring the parallels between the IDW Decepticon movement and various real world socialist movements deleted because it was technically "politics." So hug 'em. I really only visit there these days to poke around the podcast subforum.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:45 PM)

My person canon is that the Quintessons created Cybertron as a factory to make the TFers as mechs, but they became self aware and they revolted. then Cybertronian society began to develop and the events of the revolt became mythologised as the stories of the Knights of Cyberton, the Thirteen, etc...real events that became the basis for religion, essentially.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 09:34 PM)

Timeout. Does it convert?

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

.... Wait I think those are actually ninjas

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

Fact: Transformers are mammals. Fact: The purpose of a Transformer is to flip out and kill people

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 06:54 PM)

Transformers are alien space robots from space.]

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:49 PM)

Transformers believe they were created by <X>, others believe they were created by <Y> and/or <Z>. There are lots of theories, disagreements but ultimately nobody knows for sure.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 05:11 PM)

Squid robits build machines. Machines decide they had enough of that and kicked the squid robits off the planet. Everything's pretty chill for a while until machines get mad for dumb reasons and break the planet. THE END

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 04:22 PM)

Primus created Cybertron and The Thirteen. Then later, the Quintessons come to the planet they call Seibertron and use Primus' power; the plasma energy chamber to forge military robots Destrons and consumer robots Cybertrons. The Cybertrons and Destrons rise up and drive the Quintessons away but are unable to live in peace with each other. And so the Cybertron population become the Autobot army and the Destrons become Decepticons, with the Autobots renaming their planet Cybertron. Far far later still, bacteria that was present on the asteroid Primus imprisoned himself within has evolved into organic life within Cybertron...

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:35 PM)

But aside from the ending Trent and Siph made for them at FunPub, the 3H Wreckers comics kinda sucked.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:34 PM)

That's what the 3H Wreckers comics kind of did, actually.

@  wonko the sane? : (27 April 2017 - 03:30 PM)

So, what? The maker of the makers kinda thing?

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 02:55 PM)

My fanon is both the Quintesson and Primus origins. They're compatible.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 02:37 PM)

I prefer the profile book/movie interpretation of the Quintessons, a race whose entire purpose is to capture and execute those who escape Unicron.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 02:03 PM)

I like the Quintesson origin partly because it's a twist on the robot revolution cliche, partly because of the irony of a people uniting against their own creators just to fall into endless civil war, and mostly because i just really like the Quintessons themselves.

@  Diecast : (27 April 2017 - 12:03 PM)

I preferred the Primus origin until it became the more common origin, fiction wise.

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

Since the analogy to humans isn't perfect, it could also be interpreted as closer to "maternity ward."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

I think the most unfortunately named Transformer in their society would probably be Hot Spot, which is like having a human named "Placenta."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

Confusing, I bet.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:58 AM)

I wonder what everyday Transformer society is like where half the population are named after common objects and stuff...

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 April 2017 - 10:53 AM)

I bet Gears hates this.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 AM)

Naturally occuring gears! (hey, if bugs can do it...)

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:00 AM)

They're both better than the Primus origin.

@  unluckiness : (27 April 2017 - 09:56 AM)

The Allspark sucks. I much prefer the quintessons origin.

@  Dracula : (27 April 2017 - 07:23 AM)

I hate the allspark! That's why it's been the only TF forum I've bothered with for almost 10 years!

@  Robowang : (27 April 2017 - 07:13 AM)

As much as I pick on us, that's a really big reason why I like it here too. Plus the traffic isn't so heavy that anything you post gets lost in five minutes.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:00 AM)

The Allspark is one of the first Transformers sites I've been to where there's no weird hero worship of the staff or two or three staffers who are weirdly aggressive about certain transformers related topics and never fail to show it. This is probably the first site in my near two decades in the fandom I can post and not feel I'm a few steps away from falling afoul of some unwritten rule that will cause people to pile on, so yay Allspark.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

*pops in* "Hm, I wonder where the conversation has gone since last night..." *reads* "...huh. I did not see any of that coming."

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

*apart!

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

This board has provided me with the only RP campaign that didn't fall a

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 05:17 AM)

So what? We're disciples of Primus and they're disciples of Unicron?

@  lastmaximal : (27 April 2017 - 04:26 AM)

I'm really not surprised.

@  Nevermore : (27 April 2017 - 04:16 AM)

Well, the users over on TFW in return accuse the Allspark of being an elitist clique that ostracizes everyone who doesn't act like they do (i.e. civil), whereas TFW is more welcoming to everyone regardless of their views.

@  Pennpenn : (27 April 2017 - 03:23 AM)

Hard G. I don't give a solitary shit what the creators call it, the first word in the acronym is "Graphical". I have no idea why they'd think any sane human could, would, or should pronounce it any other way.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 03:13 AM)

I acknowledge what the creators say, but whether I remember to use their pronunciation or not is hit or miss. Heck, I think I usually think of it in my head as "gee-i-ef", in parallel to "JPG" and "PNG".


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There hasn't really ever been a truly good tetrajet toy, has there?


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#1 gargunkle

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 06:59 PM

I was reading the Seekers article at the wiki and I came across this classic image:

http://tfwiki.net/wi...jet_seekers.jpg

This got me thinking... has there ever been a really good interpretation of this design in toy form? The main ones that come to mind are the Titanium and the Cybertron mold (which seems to be basically the same thing between Supreme/Voyager/Legends size). I don't have any of these. Are any of them good? Are there any others?

The look of the tetrajet in the G1 cartoon was just so slick.
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 07:02 PM

I like the Titanium version aesthetically better than the Cybertron mold. That being said, I don't think a true Tetrajet is really possible without lots of finnicky panel kibble at any rate. Plus, it'd be even more difficult to make a real G1 Tetrajet since they'd still have bot modes with F-15 parts. icon-fire.gif

That being said, we've been surprised before - maybe some third party maker will get there.
 
 
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 07:04 PM

nope there aren't any others... and no there hasn't been another non-cybertron/titanium design

the problem being that according to G1 the tetrajets transform into robots that look like they turn into F15s

so there's obvious toy-design problems.

arg - Dake types faster than me

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 07:30 PM

Types better, too!

Maybe there'll be another one if they do a WfC Starscream for the next game.

Edited by C16, 18 December 2011 - 07:38 PM.


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Posted 18 December 2011 - 07:34 PM

and isn't even a jerk about it... guess he's got us both beat C16 icon-arcee.gif
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 09:13 PM

QUOTE(C16 @ Dec 18 2011, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Types better, too!

Maybe there'll be another one if they do a WfC Starscream for the next game.



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and isn't even a jerk about it... guess he's got us both beat C16 icon-arcee.gif


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I'd be surprised if we didn't get a FoC jet this go around, but they look more like the old Cybertron toys too really. Personally, I'd sacrifice the G1 bot mode details to get a well-done Tetrajet. I'd be ok if they just got it relatively close in robot mode.
 
 
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 09:25 PM

Honestly I was forgetting somewhat that the robot mode was still the F15. But yes I'd settle for a good bot mode (not having to be slavish to the F15 bot mode) and a great tetrajet.
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 09:30 PM

Good find, guys. I'm sure C16 is going to go home and rethink his life now.

Hoping for a Fall of Cybertron Starscream toy here. It's a neat enough design that will satisfy any desire I have for Tetrajets, and it's an easy boost for a WFC/FOC display.
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 09:48 PM

It's not really impossible... in fact the Luke Skywalker Snowspeeder toy I have sort of has the basic mental "this is how it would transform" concept, as I see it in my head.

But the Titanium and Cybertron toys wanted to be evocative of the Tetra jets, not actually them, and they're medicore (Ti) to awful (Cybertron).

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 10:01 PM

I know we'd dearly love transformable versions, I got that. However, I'm pretty satisfied with crazysteve's customs. http://pleasesavemer...modes/jets.html I have Sunstorm and one of the Skywarps, and in my opinion, Esteban is entirely too hard on himself as regards those initial offerings.

(Pretty nice when displayed in an HOC/SCF collection.)
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(C16 @ Dec 18 2011, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Types better, too!

Maybe there'll be another one if they do a WfC Starscream for the next game.



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and isn't even a jerk about it... guess he's got us both beat C16 icon-arcee.gif


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I'd be surprised if we didn't get a FoC jet this go around, but they look more like the old Cybertron toys too really. Personally, I'd sacrifice the G1 bot mode details to get a well-done Tetrajet. I'd be ok if they just got it relatively close in robot mode.


Yeah, I'm really surprised we didn't get it last time, but they can't pass it up for long. Because they made a decision in 1984 that's made a goldmine for them. Repaints of a lot of molds get a "yeah, yeah, boring repaint" response. But if they don't make 2 repaints of a seeker mold, "They're bums, I tell ya. Bums"

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 10:22 PM

I guess I don't have Cybertron Starscream. I have Shattered Glass Starscream.

Really, I thought the Titanium was good enough. I'm not really nostalgic about Sunbow tetrajets, I guess. That doesn't really sound like me, but there you go. The Titanium ones are really War Within, right?

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 10:25 PM

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I actually like the Cybertron mold... it's more evocative of War Within than G1, but I still like it, and really wish there had been official releases in the various seeker colors...

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 10:52 PM

QUOTE(Nebucron @ Dec 18 2011, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I actually like the Cybertron mold... it's more evocative of War Within than G1, but I still like it, and really wish there had been official releases in the various seeker colors...


I love the Cybertron mold, but would still love to see an actual well done Sunbow tetrajet. I agree that the robot mode doesn't need to look like the F-15 seekers, though, just a decent robot.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 11:08 PM

I'd love to get a proper tetrajet. The War Within design is nice in that it doesn't have the silly F-15 details in robot mode, but all of War Within leans a little too far toward technogreeblies and away from the sleekness I liked in the old Sunbow designs. Of the two vaguely tetrajet molds we have, the Titanium is a far more attractive jet while the Cybertron toy is an overall better mold.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 11:21 PM

We talking about the same Scouts-have-have-better-arm-joints partially-exposed-head wider-than-he-is-tall Cybertron mold?

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 11:54 PM

sounds that way lol

I love Universe Dirge as a Cybertron jet... looks AWESOME ..I'm honest with myself that the mold has its share of problems... but it looks Great, and transforms like a breeze... flip, flip, joint, joint, tabs DONE.

- and on a side note, I hope C16 doesn't change his ways. icon-hotrod.gif I like the guy, keeps me on my toes. I respect that.
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Posted 19 December 2011 - 12:27 AM

I don't know, this thread has really been an eye opener for me. If only other people could take suggestions as easily!

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 12:45 AM

QUOTE(gargunkle @ Dec 18 2011, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Honestly I was forgetting somewhat that the robot mode was still the F15. But yes I'd settle for a good bot mode (not having to be slavish to the F15 bot mode) and a great tetrajet.


Considering the intent of having a pre-Cybertron mode which would naturally affect the robot mode, it makes perfect sense that if we every get a true tetrajet toy that the robot mode wouldn't be the same as the Earth robot mode. I'd love to see what someone comes up with. They only design elements I would want to keep in the robot mode are the chest canopy and the shoulder wings. Everything else can be whatever it takes to get the tetrajet.

For that matter I'd like to get Jazz, Wheeljack, and Bumblee too. But then, I still foolishly hope to finally get an accurate G1 Skyfire. Seems it's mostly a modified Robotech Valkyrie with a few transformational changes.

Edited by Magick, 19 December 2011 - 12:47 AM.

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 12:52 AM

QUOTE(Nebucron @ Dec 18 2011, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I actually like the Cybertron mold... it's more evocative of War Within than G1, but I still like it, and really wish there had been official releases in the various seeker colors...


I'm with you. I love the Cybertron seeker mold and wish they'd finally release the voyager mold in the US beyond the TRU exclusive. I hate that I didn't get that box set. We got the Legends size and the Surpeme size. It still amazes me and disappoints me that we never got a retail release of the voyager mold.
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