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@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 02:42 AM)

Death doesn't terrify me, but I have to admit I find the notion of its inevitably more than a little disappointing. I'd hope there's eventually some way to preserve our minds in some form prior to death

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 01:55 AM)

Or maybe some broken kid in a giant cyborg will turn us all into tang. Who knows what the future brings?

@  Waspinator : (26 April 2017 - 01:52 AM)

As someone terrified of death, I for one welcome our transhumanist singularity overlords.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 01:52 AM)

Our grandchildren's grandchildren's grandchildren's grandchildren will be less than dust before heat death matters anyway.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 01:51 AM)

Signularity is a meaningless buzzword, like a lot of this transhumanist late-game stuff.

@  Evac : (26 April 2017 - 01:43 AM)

Or we could go "extinct" in a Singularity, becoming one with our technology to the extent we cease to exist in our current state.

@  Waspinator : (26 April 2017 - 01:37 AM)

Or we'll be killed by Skynet and unleash a plague of von Neumann probes upon the universe.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 01:37 AM)

Assuming all humans leave Earth, of course. Plenty won't, or won't be able to.

@  Evac : (26 April 2017 - 01:35 AM)

Technically it could be subspecies of Homo sapiens... But after a couple thousand years away from Earth, it's kind of inevitable humanity will evolve to adapt to strange new habitats.

@  Evac : (26 April 2017 - 01:33 AM)

We'd have to adapt to different conditions, especially when we're unable to return to Earth.

@  Evac : (26 April 2017 - 01:32 AM)

I can't really see humanity in its current state if/after we "go cosmic," though. You'll have different people adapting to living in zero-G environments, on colonies on other planets that have various conditions...

@  Evac : (26 April 2017 - 01:29 AM)

True.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 01:29 AM)

Evolution doesn't mean extinction of a previous state always, tho.

@  Evac : (26 April 2017 - 01:27 AM)

Well, humans as we know them (Homo sapiens) will probably go extinct at some point as the species evolves further. That's only if we somehow don't destroy ourselves.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 12:26 AM)

Oh, humanity will go hypercritical and wipe itself out long before that's a concern.

@  Waspinator : (25 April 2017 - 11:04 PM)

All we need to do is built Diebuster to haul us away from the sun

@  Evac : (25 April 2017 - 10:36 PM)

Okay, well all of us will be dead. Jury's out on our descendants.

@  Evac : (25 April 2017 - 10:36 PM)

But we'll either be dead or be forced off the planet well before that point, since Earth will turn into a Venus-style hellhole in about a billion years.

@  Evac : (25 April 2017 - 10:29 PM)

[/science nerd]

@  Evac : (25 April 2017 - 10:29 PM)

About five billion years, actually.

@  Waspinator : (25 April 2017 - 09:38 PM)

Go check that episode of Doctor Who to see what date they said.

@  wonko the sane? : (25 April 2017 - 09:26 PM)

We got a date for that yet? I want to clear my schedule to watch it.

@  Waspinator : (25 April 2017 - 08:46 PM)

There are some more immediate doomsday scenarios on a more local level, like the sun expanding and consuming us all.

@  Evac : (25 April 2017 - 08:25 PM)

In a few trillion years, there's going to be a Big Rip, a heat death, a Big Crunch or a Big Bounce, so- wait, you're talking about Stargate.

@  Xellos : (25 April 2017 - 08:20 PM)

I just wish Universe had a conclusive ending...

@  wonko the sane? : (25 April 2017 - 07:53 PM)

They had to try something new, and it didn't work.

@  Echowarrior : (25 April 2017 - 07:31 PM)

SG-1 was a good series. Atlantis too. Universe...dear god was that ever a misfire.

@  Xellos : (25 April 2017 - 02:56 PM)

Started watching SG-1 right before season 9. The Stargate were the last live action series that could hold my attention week to week.

@  Rycochet : (25 April 2017 - 02:52 PM)

Sg1 really lost it's appeal once they got too far into the ancients/ascended plotlines.

@  Gizmoboy : (25 April 2017 - 02:48 PM)

I enjoyed the movie. Never got into the TV Series.

@  BlackMax : (25 April 2017 - 02:19 PM)

About twenty since I cared. :D :D :D

@  Whirl Maximus : (25 April 2017 - 01:50 PM)

ten years since Stargate SG1 ended.

@  WorkbenchManiac : (25 April 2017 - 11:05 AM)

it's all about that sweet, savory monosodium glutamate!

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 April 2017 - 10:58 AM)

If you're eating cheap Chinese, nutritional value is probably not the first thing on your mind.

@  Paladin : (25 April 2017 - 10:56 AM)

depends on where you get them from, but sometimes the paper has more nutritional value.

@  Robowang : (25 April 2017 - 10:21 AM)

I have actually eaten the cookie without opening it before. I didn't realize it until my wife asked what my fortune was.

@  BlackMax : (25 April 2017 - 09:18 AM)

It's like the fortune cookies. After getting so many over the years I just barely notice them.

@  Pennpenn : (25 April 2017 - 09:17 AM)

Sorry, yeah, I also dislike any policy which involves including putting Optimus Prime in teriyaki chicken.

@  unluckiness : (25 April 2017 - 09:13 AM)

That sounds like an unfair assessment of the teriyaki chicken.

@  Pennpenn : (25 April 2017 - 09:10 AM)

Yeah but there's no way they weren't designing it with the Optimus Maximus or whatever in mind. That said I could just be annoyed because I dislike the "every line must have at least one Optimus Prime in there somewhere" policy that Hasbro seems to have.

@  WorkbenchManiac : (25 April 2017 - 08:29 AM)

that sounds both worrying and delicious

@  BlackMax : (25 April 2017 - 08:03 AM)

I am seriously feeling hungry occasionally because Quake's deep-red paint job looks JUST like the teryaki chicken at my favorite Chinese eatery.

@  unluckiness : (25 April 2017 - 06:41 AM)

Hard to say. The bot mode's okay and the the combiner form is the awful on. Considering that Prime didn't have a combiner form back then and could have looked like anything, seems that there were other factors at play.

@  Pennpenn : (25 April 2017 - 02:48 AM)

I'd say a lot of CW Menasor's problems were caused by the fact he had to share a mold with Optimus Prime.

@  unluckiness : (24 April 2017 - 09:27 PM)

giggity

@  BlackMax : (24 April 2017 - 08:44 PM)

TR Astrotrain can be remarkably straight.

@  Dracula : (24 April 2017 - 04:10 PM)

bot can not be straight

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 April 2017 - 01:49 PM)

Hey man, don't dongshame.

@  Benbot : (24 April 2017 - 12:32 PM)

#crotchproblems

@  Robowang : (24 April 2017 - 11:53 AM)

Menasor's problem is that his crotch is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too high. I couldn't care less about those other issues. If your dong is a chestburster, something ain't right.


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#1 Jackpot

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 12:54 PM

Heeeeeeee hee hee hee hee. Pete Sinclair, you coy bastard.

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So Dion is clearly getting set up to become Ultra Magnus when Magnus tells him, "Perhaps one solar cycle, you'd make a great Magnum...," and Dion replies, "You know, I like the sound of that!" But when the two of them are gravely injured, Alpha Trion's prognosis is written intentionally vaguely, and then when Ultra Magnus does appear, the most information we get is Optimus calling him "old friend." I think the weight of evidence, such as it is, is on Dion's side, but why would Alpha Trion rebuild him to look so much like Magnum? Maybe he used Magnum's body for raw materials? Kind of gruesome, but I guess this is a robot war we're talking about...
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Based on the dialogue in the Paradron-bound ship, I think we're meant to believe Rumbler is one of Sprocket's hallucinations. That's kind of neat - does anyone know if Rumbler's appearances in this storyline have ever contradicted that idea? I'm pretty sure they've only been shown together.

Overall, it seems the purpose of this issue is to fill G1-'toon plot holes and find places for "Wings"-specific characters to go. It came across a little pat to me, but there are clever bits, like the explanation for Kup's conspicuous agedness in the present. I thought it all felt more G1-'toon-y than most of the rest of "Wings", probably because the references suddenly got way more explicit. I liked that, but I'm happy the setting is going to jump to the present. The "Wings" stories never grabbed me, and the idea of filling in plot holes doesn't appeal that strongly to me when it's not actually meant to be the same universe. But G2 is great underexplored territory, and I'm looking forward to seeing where that goes.

Edited by Jackpot, 09 December 2011 - 03:55 PM.


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Posted 09 December 2011 - 01:23 PM

QUOTE(Jackpot @ Dec 9 2011, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Non-Dion spoilers, HIGHLIGHT to view:
Based on the dialogue in the Paradron-bound ship, I think we're meant to believe Rumbler is one of Sprocket's hallucinations. That's kind of neat - does anyone know if Rumbler's appearances in this storyline have ever contradicted that idea? I'm pretty sure they've only been shown together.


An interesting idea, but not really what happened icon-hotrod.gif

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Look at the two-page spread in Part 5. And then check out the wounded Autobots in the medical bay that Ratchet et al are working on. Rumbler WAS real...


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Posted 09 December 2011 - 01:31 PM

Rumbler was one of the dudes seen exploded by Shockwave in the big-ass two-page spread in the previous installment. Not that this destroys your hypothesis completely...

Now that folks are getting their copies in earnest, here's what bummed me out about this story:

Apparently this two-year story wasn't about what I thought it was about. It starts out with Dion, thinking all of his friends are dead, joining the Elite Guard with a new body. Meanwhile, Dion's friend, who Dion thinks is dead, is also rebuilt and joins the rival Autobot group. I really thought something was going to happen with that. I really did. There's pathos and angst there, untapped.

The Dion/Magnus thing was clever (if only because we still don't definitively know, thank god), but who Dion is has never been an issue to me. I'd be pretty happy if I got payoff for the Dion/Orion thing instead.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 02:07 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Dec 9 2011, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Apparently this two-year story wasn't about what I thought it was about. It starts out with Dion, thinking all of his friends are dead, joining the Elite Guard with a new body. Meanwhile, Dion's friend, who Dion thinks is dead, is also rebuilt and joins the rival Autobot group. I really thought something was going to happen with that. I really did. There's pathos and angst there, untapped.

The Dion/Magnus thing was clever (if only because we still don't definitively know, thank god), but who Dion is has never been an issue to me. I'd be pretty happy if I got payoff for the Dion/Orion thing instead.


I had similar thoughts about this when it started and then when it was revealed that Optimus was alive (and not that it was some spin on what if Orion died and Dion lived). I have a feeling that the story was originally heading that way but for reasons we're unaware of it had to change for one reason or another.

I really liked Dion too, so I'm hoping some how he made it through it all as himself.

By the way, who is Shattered Glass Slamdance's colors based on? He reminds me of Zarak but that seems like an odd homage.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 02:15 PM

QUOTE(Jackpot @ Dec 9 2011, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Overall, it seems the purpose of this issue is to fill G1-'toon plot holes and find places for "Wings"-specific characters to go. It came across a little pat to me, but there are clever bits, like the explanation for Kup's conspicuous agedness in the present. I thought it all felt more G1-'toon-y than most of the rest of "Wings", probably because the references suddenly got way more explicit. I liked that, but I'm happy the setting is going to jump to the present. The "Wings" stories never grabbed me, and the idea of filling in plot holes doesn't appeal that strongly to me when it's not actually meant to be the same universe. But G2 is great underexplored territory, and I'm looking forward to seeing where that goes.


The universe itself does contain all of the G1 episodes, so it was important to wrap some of that up.

Also, I think, this issue was meant not just to tie up loose ends, but to tie it ALL together.
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We see Autobots leaving for Paradron, Kup's age explained, the formation of the Autobot army as we know it in 1984 and the startof the Micromaster initiative (granted, this was outside of the toon)... And of course, taking everything in to consideration, it made perfect sense to leave WHO Ultra Magnus is open-ended. Optimus viewed both as friends.

At the end of the day, this is probably it for the Wings of Honor portion of the Wings universe. I don't see us telling anymore stories from the distant past.

It was extremely fun to write this story though. Getting to do a "Sunbow" version of the distant past was cool. But I gotta tell you, I am really pleased with how the script for "A Flash Forward" turned out and I think everyone will be blown away by the way Matt Frank is bringing it to life! His pages just rock! I think you will enjoy that story...

Edited by Pete@BotCon, 09 December 2011 - 02:16 PM.


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Posted 09 December 2011 - 02:23 PM

Any chance we'll be getting a preview page of "A Flash Foward" before it hits mailboxes Pete?

I thought for a moment Side Burn was going to be quite happy being left behind on a planet that seemingly devoid of any other Autobots other than the Female Autobots. But then I remembered Kup, Thunderclash, and the 1985 guys were all still there.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 02:27 PM

It doesn't seem to be explicit on whether Side Burn was one of those who got in a pod or not. I guess it depends on whether you'd want Original Recipe or Dirty Old Man Side Burn to show up in A Flash Forward.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 02:30 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Dec 9 2011, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It doesn't seem to be explicit on whether Side Burn was one of those who got in a pod or not. I guess it depends on whether you'd want Original Recipe or Dirty Old Man Side Burn to show up in A Flash Forward.


HA!

Well. Not really a spoiler, but Side Burn does hop in a pod. Try's to squeeze in with Flare Up/Firestar's. THAT did not go so well...

Edited by Pete@BotCon, 09 December 2011 - 02:30 PM.


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Posted 09 December 2011 - 03:01 PM

I hope when Kup wakes them up four million years later, he remembers what to say.



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Posted 09 December 2011 - 03:06 PM

So who is Slamdance's colors based on? icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 03:12 PM

That is a very good question.

I do not know if (or how) I will ever be able to translate this into a four-to-five panel comic, so this is Slamdance's deal:

Grandslam thinks he is half of a real journalist. Raindance thinks he's half of a fake comedy journalist. They combine into someone who sounds, amazingly, just like Stephen Colbert. Evil Stephen Colbert. And, given that G1 Slamdance kind of rules out a patriotic red/white/blue color scheme for SG Slamdance, I had to find some other inspiration for an evil Stephen Colbert.



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Posted 09 December 2011 - 03:22 PM

QUOTE(NightViper @ Dec 9 2011, 10:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
HIGHLIGHT to view:
Look at the two-page spread in Part 5. And then check out the wounded Autobots in the medical bay that Ratchet et al are working on. Rumbler WAS real...

HIGHLIGHT to view:
Huh. Emphasis on "was," I guess. That's actually neater - now Sprocket's got this phantom dead brother in his head. I want to see a Rumbler Durden story. And/or a story about the shock that would happen if Rumbler survived and millenia later met up with Sprocket again.

QUOTE(Pete@BotCon @ Dec 9 2011, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The universe itself does contain all of the G1 episodes, so it was important to wrap some of that up.

Ah, that's the first time I've heard that. So basically, characters might not be in exactly the same bodies, but the events we saw onscreen are the same?

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Also, I think, this issue was meant not just to tie up loose ends, but to tie it ALL together.
HIGHLIGHT to view:
We see Autobots leaving for Paradron, Kup's age explained, the formation of the Autobot army as we know it in 1984 and the startof the Micromaster initiative (granted, this was outside of the toon)... And of course, taking everything in to consideration, it made perfect sense to leave WHO Ultra Magnus is open-ended. Optimus viewed both as friends.

Honestly, it's the tie-it-ALL-together-ness that made it feel pat to me. For instance, HIGHLIGHT to view:
I liked the "great Magnum" line because it was all we needed to put Dion on that path and still leave some room for uncertainty. So I was a little disappointed that "perhaps one solar cycle" ended up being basically the next day, spelling out for the reader SEE WE MEANT ULTRA MAGNUS without adding any value to the story.

Now, that having been said, I did appreciate stuff like the explanation for where the season-2 'Bots came from and why they don't seem to have four million extra years' worth of war under their belts. I'm not sure if it's meant to account for the cybertonium depletion too, but I can imagine ways in which it could.


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It was extremely fun to write this story though. Getting to do a "Sunbow" version of the distant past was cool.

You did a good job capturing the characters' voices. Like I said, this issue in particular really embodied the vibe for me.

Edited by Jackpot, 09 December 2011 - 03:57 PM.


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Posted 09 December 2011 - 03:30 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Dec 9 2011, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That is a very good question.

I do not know if (or how) I will ever be able to translate this into a four-to-five panel comic, so this is Slamdance's deal:

Grandslam thinks he is half of a real journalist. Raindance thinks he's half of a fake comedy journalist. They combine into someone who sounds, amazingly, just like Stephen Colbert. Evil Stephen Colbert. And, given that G1 Slamdance kind of rules out a patriotic red/white/blue color scheme for SG Slamdance, I had to find some other inspiration for an evil Stephen Colbert.


Brililant! And thank you for the answer.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 05:15 PM

QUOTE(Jackpot @ Dec 9 2011, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You did a good job capturing the characters' voices. Like I said, this issue in particular really embodied the vibe for me.


It's funny you say that. Now, Jesse does the majority of the dialogue. I do more of the framing and pacing. So as I was editing, going back and reading the Optimus Prime lines, I totally heard Peter Cullen. Was really kind of weird actually lol. But cool.



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Posted 09 December 2011 - 05:25 PM

ittsy bittsy teeny weeny.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 06:30 PM

Magnum is Magnus because Hasbro said Dion wasn't rebuilt into anybody. Nyeh nyeh.

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 11:13 AM

I hope there will be some way for us non-Club members to be able to get this stuff collected somehow...

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 01:13 AM

I am upset that Dion had to "die" for some form of closure. I was looking forward to seeing him pop up again in stories set in the present/future, as I see Dion to FunPub as Drift to IDW. A character we can learn about through their journies rather than assembling a assumed history about a guy we've seen in cartoon's and comics.
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Posted 11 December 2011 - 01:45 AM

QUOTE(Agent X @ Dec 10 2011, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am upset that Dion had to "die" for some form of closure. I was looking forward to seeing him pop up again in stories set in the present/future, as I see Dion to FunPub as Drift to IDW. A character we can learn about through their journies rather than assembling a assumed history about a guy we've seen in cartoon's and comics.

Yeah. I mean, I'm not sure I'd say "upset," really. It just seemed unnecessary. Could have just let him fade away with no reference to the old "who did he become" argument, and I'd have been just fine.

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 11:57 AM

QUOTE(G.B.Blackrock @ Dec 11 2011, 01:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Agent X @ Dec 10 2011, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am upset that Dion had to "die" for some form of closure. I was looking forward to seeing him pop up again in stories set in the present/future, as I see Dion to FunPub as Drift to IDW. A character we can learn about through their journies rather than assembling a assumed history about a guy we've seen in cartoon's and comics.

Yeah. I mean, I'm not sure I'd say "upset," really. It just seemed unnecessary. Could have just let him fade away with no reference to the old "who did he become" argument, and I'd have been just fine.


Well, he didn't "have" to "die"... However, it served a few purposes, one being that it does bring an end to the "old" and ushers in the new. Essentially everyone from the Elite Guard is gone. By the time we get to the present, only Kup is still alive on Cybertron. (Odds are Thunderclash will have died at some point during the 4 million years). Also, since the Dion argument has been going on since fans found their way online, figured it was a nice little nod to that i.e. Who IS Ultra Magnus? Those were just a couple points...

But really, we felt we took Dion as far as he could go. There will be plenty of surprises in "A Flash Forward" though... So excited about this 36 page story!