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@  Pennpenn : (27 April 2017 - 03:23 AM)

Hard G. I don't give a solitary shit what the creators call it, the first word in the acronym is "Graphical". I have no idea why they'd think any sane human could, would, or should pronounce it any other way.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 03:13 AM)

I acknowledge what the creators say, but whether I remember to use their pronunciation or not is hit or miss. Heck, I think I usually think of it in my head as "gee-i-ef", in parallel to "JPG" and "PNG".

@  Waspinator : (27 April 2017 - 02:50 AM)

Let's heat things up: what are everyone's opinions on how GIF should be pronounced?

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:11 PM)

But I will say that a lot of fandom forums are generally more tolerable nowadays because most belligerent types stick to Facebook groups

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:09 PM)

I do like their hard no-politics rule. Now that I do the occasional freelance writing for some local politics and I like zero percent of it my hobby space now. But holy cow, do they replace it with neck beard drama.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 10:30 PM)

like Noideaforaname I posted on TFW for a while. I came here after I got harassed for daring to suggest that Play With This Too was run by unoriginal hacks, and yeah. This place so much more preferable.

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

And you're turning us on

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

The terrible secret of the Allspark: We all have this twisted fetish for rational thought processes

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

Not everyone likes everything, and people aren't blind to shortfalls or annoyances resulting from constraints of how the brand is handled. We make many a joke out of these things. But it's a rare thing when entitlement replaces logic on here, where that seems to be poster raison d'etre everywhere else.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:11 PM)

It's utterly weird how these here boards seem so impervious an oasis when it comes to that depth of idiocy. Worshipping 3p and demanding the official companies "step it up" and stop being so lazy? Insisting the movies be done THEIR way, crapping on every single thing revealed about the films or toyline, then whining that they can't find (insert hot movie to here) or the official release of a movie figure doesn't capture the look in the film they hated? Etc

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:09 PM)

It's not even a "brand pissing contest" or "board loyalty" thing, not least due to the fact that those don't really even happen here all that much. I'm just happy to be with levelheaded people who've outgrown the usual fan dumb tropes. You can have a civilized conversation here and people don't shit on things only to hide behind "but but but to each their own right?" when their myopic BS is challenged.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:07 PM)

With each time nonsense like this flares up on tfw or on local discussion venues (and it does quite a bit) I'm just reminded of why I've essentially been allspark bound for the last... Fifteen or so years.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 10:07 PM)

On the plus side, tho, TFW has "appreciation threads" for practically everything, even stuff like Kre-O and PCC. And their toy database is quite handy.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 10:03 PM)

I've been happily posting on TFW for years. Then, after being *here* for a few months, I look back and wonder how the hell I even bothered with it. I mean, my ignore list had hundreds of people on it. Literally HUNDREDS of ignored people. I even showed off said gargantuan list once (with a small thumbnail that you couldn't read any of the names on, mind you). That... that really should have been a warning sign, I suppose...

@  WorkbenchManiac : (26 April 2017 - 08:03 PM)

Thanks, I enjoyed reading the nerdrage. I should hang out over there more often.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 07:07 PM)

I mean, Reveal Your Shield. That gets complained about too.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 07:04 PM)

One of the reveal the shield news threads at TFW has movie fans and G1 fans arguing over who has it worse

@  WorkbenchManiac : (26 April 2017 - 06:49 PM)

You got me awfully curious. What thread ware we talking about?

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:17 PM)

That was a quality read. Both sides of that thread's argument went pretty crazy.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 02:11 PM)

"When Beast Wars made Optimus a monkey nobody complained" ~ someone desperate for a 'gotcha'

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:05 PM)

I want to find the rock they've been under that there isn't constantly complaining about something.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:04 PM)

For the lack if a better word, it baffles me when someone starts a discussion somewhere that's like "Does anyone else not like the movies?"

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

Careful, it might have something to say about that.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

I'm gonna have to check your opinion out real good to make sure.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 11:55 AM)

Oppinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, but mine is better so shut up.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

To clarify on point 1 since I was typing early in the morning again, "you must hate exactly what I hate" and "you msut like exactly what I like" aren't actually the same statement but they're the same thought process which is "my opinions are objective facts." If you see someone espousing one, they're probably thinking the other, too.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:57 AM)

... what.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 AM)

Andrusi, I imagine to some people online, there isn't that much of a world of difference, at least going by the venom they post; although not at RiD specifically.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 08:55 AM)

The scale of liking and hating is an interval one so you can not like something but not hate it. Pretty sure there's apathy and dislike in between there at least.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 08:07 AM)

And humans are perfectly capable of hating things in unison while being divided on liking.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:34 AM)

On the other hand, there's a world of difference between "I hate RID" and "I hate Nazis."

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:27 AM)

On one hand, "hating what I hate" IS "liking what I like." One of those cultures can't be worse than the other because they're literally the same culture.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:26 AM)

I think that comparison is both an oversimplification AND a meaningless distinction.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 07:16 AM)

That's the internet effect. Distance and anonimity make for easy and consequence-less extremism.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 06:58 AM)

I think the aggressive "How dare you not hate exactly what I hate" culture online is worse than the aggressive "How dare you not like exactly what I like" culture.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 06:19 AM)

And now that song/scene and its many many parodies are running through my head.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 06:18 AM)

Patrick Swayze didnt!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:58 AM)

lol. As long as they knock first.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

Or as ghosts. I guess ghosts would be acceptable.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

For now, I'd just find some small comfort in knowing those who have passed actually are in some sort of better place.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:56 AM)

I'd find comfort in knowing that one way or another, that suffering would eventually end and a new, potentially happier beginning awaits.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:54 AM)

@LBD At the same time, I can't imagine wanting to stay in even a happy afterlife when fleshies are still suffering.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:49 AM)

Celebrating and welcoming death just gives them more ideological hoops to justify killing others. So yeah, no thanks.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

The idea of death doesn't bother me so much as no longer existing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

at the very least, my body will feed the grass which feeds the antelope which feeds the lio- ....wait

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Yeah, that's kind of the thing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Some cultures celebrate/welcome death (of course, those also have some form of afterlife)

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

You shouldn't be. What with having absolutely no knowledge or control over it.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

Death is scary, which is why we either spend our lives avoiding the subject or staying up late overthinking it.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

"Never did want to live forever." I'm more bothered about what -- if anything -- is next.


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#1 Rosicrucian

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 01:39 PM

In musing on Exiles, I've started to wonder whether it might be interesting to have a fuller governing body of Cybertronian society, with more specialized roles based on the passing of the artifacts of the Thirteen.

Prime would remain the position held by a Matrix-bearer, as their authority comes from being the successors of Prima.

Magnus in my mind could be a position whose symbol of office is the hammer of Solus Prime, and their duty would be to keep the armories of Cybertron.

Alpha Trion doesn't seem to have passed his artifact on, but how interesting would it be to have a number of successors who each carried the quill and the Covenant of Primus?

I think I even see room for Nemesis as a position, as a devil's advocate whose job it is to re-examine the Prime's plans and point out their flaws. I'm not sure which of the Thirteen this one would stem from. Perhaps a position to remember the Fallen's mistakes? Maybe the spiritual successors of Amalgamous Prime?

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 07:25 PM

So the Prime is the overall leader, and the Magnus the general of the Military, since they have the authority over weaponry? Nice, and opens up the way for an unscrupulous Magnus to seize control by keeping the Prime away from any true power, like the shoguns did with the emperor of Japan.

On the Nemesis front, how I've imagined it is "Nemesis Prime" is the term for any Prime who has abused his power, like the roman tradition of damnatio memoriae, their crimes were regarded as so heinous that their names were stricken from record.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 07:32 PM

I think it mostly interested me in the context I described it because how much story potential is there in a Nemesis who isn't necessarily a bad guy? The idea that Cybertron's governing body needs a Nemesis because there has to be someone who can tell the Prime "no."

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 07:39 PM

Appointing a Devil's Advocate is an important means of preventing groupthink, so it definitely has potential. I think Amalgamous descendants would be good for this role, so perhaps there could be a high-ranking Shifter.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 08:36 PM

The fallen's role was preventing Entropy right? Dosen't that mean that they'd have to replace the fallen with someone else?

Or does it mean that his role still is preventing Entropy. Only that he's learned to use entropic factors to create weapons. Also, does this mean the Decepticons symbolize the absolutist order by force principle. And, aren't really about destruction and chaos...


Also... I'm supposing that Liege Maximo. Is basically Legion maximum. Does that mean the liege symbolizes mass expansion and colonialism?

So the question here would the liege need to be replaced? Or is his fall the cause of cybertron's stagnation?

I'm guessing the fallen and Liege Maximo are still loyal to their causes. They just chose to ignore the balance the other primes give to their roles. To the point where they went to. The sake of our purpose only and damn everything else.

Edited by MonsterFromMars, 26 November 2011 - 08:40 PM.


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Posted 26 November 2011 - 09:35 PM

I don't think his role was preventing entropy, but overseeing it. At least if I'm recalling correctly.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 10:35 PM

You make an interesting point. It would explain why only some transformers can combine into giant gestalts, because they are the only ones descended from Nexus Prime. That was my thought, when Nexus was described in detail, in Exodus. By the same logic, most of the robots with two or more alternate modes, must have some of Amagamous Prime in them; Having some shape-shifter CNA would explain how they can do something that is impossible for most other Cybertronians.


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Posted 27 November 2011 - 06:58 PM

They do more or less directly state that the remaining shapeshifters among the Cybertronian population claim descent from him, yeah.

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 04:04 AM

QUOTE(Daytonus @ Nov 26 2011, 07:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Appointing a Devil's Advocate is an important means of preventing groupthink, so it definitely has potential. I think Amalgamous descendants would be good for this role, so perhaps there could be a high-ranking Shifter.


Wouldn't that more or less lead to something like the two-party system in the States, where it seems the purpose of whoever isn't in power is to keep the ones who are from getting anything done?

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 04:50 AM

I have been working on a fanfic set in a sort of amalgamated universe called "JLC" aka "Justice League of Cybertron (obviously, an amalgamation of TFs and the DC universe). icon-hotrod.gif In this universe, the thirteen would all be TFs with a very specific role set for them by their creator - there is a Scholar, a Bastion (last line of defense), a Protector, a Keeper, a Gatherer of Knowledge, a Seer, etc... But due to a global event caused by a certain antagonistic race, all but one of them have now no memories of their former purpose, living in the general TF populace - yet, their primal programming does emerge, even if sometimes in seriously warped ways.

Edited by BB Shockwave, 28 November 2011 - 04:51 AM.


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Posted 29 November 2011 - 04:41 PM

I've been attempting to write this story about government for Transformers.

It seems to me at least, that the fact of the Quintessons have enslaved the TFs will be seemingly kept as part of the overall mythos.

That TFs are so jaded about about governing systems, that they go off of a completely election based system. In effect, the civilian population wants something done, they vote to have it passed or not. Mass majority rules. Exceptions are added to laws by minority opposition to prevent abuse of the system. It acts like it's own check and balances. Trials are held by something similar to the jury selection process. There is no presiding Judge, but a jury of peers randomly selected to weigh the case against the law.


QUOTE(BB Shockwave @ Nov 28 2011, 03:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have been working on a fanfic set in a sort of amalgamated universe called "JLC" aka "Justice League of Cybertron (obviously, an amalgamation of TFs and the DC universe). icon-hotrod.gif In this universe, the thirteen would all be TFs with a very specific role set for them by their creator - there is a Scholar, a Bastion (last line of defense), a Protector, a Keeper, a Gatherer of Knowledge, a Seer, etc... But due to a global event caused by a certain antagonistic race, all but one of them have now no memories of their former purpose, living in the general TF populace - yet, their primal programming does emerge, even if sometimes in seriously warped ways.



BB, you and I need to have a nice friendly chat at some point...


Because, I've been wanting to do DC: Transformed like ever since the rumors of DC entertaining the TF license was circulated and created a stir.


DC: Transformed being a full fledged Transformer/DC fanfic group of titles {short story fanfics released like "issues" of a comic, each centered on the characters of the title.}.


And yes, I've done this kind of thing before icon-fire.gif.

Edited by Blacknife, 29 November 2011 - 04:56 PM.

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