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@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:17 PM)

That was a quality read. Both sides of that thread's argument went pretty crazy.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 02:11 PM)

"When Beast Wars made Optimus a monkey nobody complained" ~ someone desperate for a 'gotcha'

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:05 PM)

I want to find the rock they've been under that there isn't constantly complaining about something.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:04 PM)

For the lack if a better word, it baffles me when someone starts a discussion somewhere that's like "Does anyone else not like the movies?"

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

Careful, it might have something to say about that.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

I'm gonna have to check your opinion out real good to make sure.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 11:55 AM)

Oppinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, but mine is better so shut up.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

To clarify on point 1 since I was typing early in the morning again, "you must hate exactly what I hate" and "you msut like exactly what I like" aren't actually the same statement but they're the same thought process which is "my opinions are objective facts." If you see someone espousing one, they're probably thinking the other, too.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:57 AM)

... what.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 AM)

Andrusi, I imagine to some people online, there isn't that much of a world of difference, at least going by the venom they post; although not at RiD specifically.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 08:55 AM)

The scale of liking and hating is an interval one so you can not like something but not hate it. Pretty sure there's apathy and dislike in between there at least.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 08:07 AM)

And humans are perfectly capable of hating things in unison while being divided on liking.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:34 AM)

On the other hand, there's a world of difference between "I hate RID" and "I hate Nazis."

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:27 AM)

On one hand, "hating what I hate" IS "liking what I like." One of those cultures can't be worse than the other because they're literally the same culture.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:26 AM)

I think that comparison is both an oversimplification AND a meaningless distinction.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 07:16 AM)

That's the internet effect. Distance and anonimity make for easy and consequence-less extremism.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 06:58 AM)

I think the aggressive "How dare you not hate exactly what I hate" culture online is worse than the aggressive "How dare you not like exactly what I like" culture.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 06:19 AM)

And now that song/scene and its many many parodies are running through my head.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 06:18 AM)

Patrick Swayze didnt!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:58 AM)

lol. As long as they knock first.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

Or as ghosts. I guess ghosts would be acceptable.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

For now, I'd just find some small comfort in knowing those who have passed actually are in some sort of better place.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:56 AM)

I'd find comfort in knowing that one way or another, that suffering would eventually end and a new, potentially happier beginning awaits.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:54 AM)

@LBD At the same time, I can't imagine wanting to stay in even a happy afterlife when fleshies are still suffering.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:49 AM)

Celebrating and welcoming death just gives them more ideological hoops to justify killing others. So yeah, no thanks.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

The idea of death doesn't bother me so much as no longer existing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

at the very least, my body will feed the grass which feeds the antelope which feeds the lio- ....wait

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Yeah, that's kind of the thing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Some cultures celebrate/welcome death (of course, those also have some form of afterlife)

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

You shouldn't be. What with having absolutely no knowledge or control over it.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

Death is scary, which is why we either spend our lives avoiding the subject or staying up late overthinking it.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

"Never did want to live forever." I'm more bothered about what -- if anything -- is next.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

Though I think the brain is a finite storage space so you'd probably start forgetting so much after some point it'd be like a new person transitioning in every few centuries. That'd be a good reason to keep a diary.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:43 AM)

I think immortality is possible biologically in the future, or at least living for vastly longer spans of time. I'd personally be happy to live at least a few thousand years, but I'd aim for forever.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:34 AM)

@MEDdMI Oh man, that bugs me all the time.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:33 AM)

Well, yesterday was a depressing bout of thinking I was going to get TR Hot Rod and then not getting TR Hot Rod after all (among other things).

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

Which is also something that bugs me about the "your dead loved ones are always watching you" concept. Do you mind? I'd like a little privacy, please!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:30 AM)

Even if it was possible, I can't help but think people would skip to the "good" parts, like sex.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

exactly.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 05:21 AM)

Besides the fact that it's all silly sci-fi scenarios, you can't just experience a memory and feel what that person felt since you have your own set of perceptual biases by which to judge the event

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 05:19 AM)

We already have something like that. It's called history class.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:18 AM)

"But in my ancestor's memory, they stole our orange first!"

@  Nevermore : (26 April 2017 - 05:14 AM)

"Your great-great-great-great-grandfather stole my great-great-great-great-grandfather's apple! I will kill you for that!"

@  Nevermore : (26 April 2017 - 05:14 AM)

If we had all our ancestors' knowledge, too many people would just use that as a excuse to continue old grudges for generations.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:13 AM)

I remember the same event a bit differently than my parents do, some things I'm sure happened but they don't remember or vice versa, etc.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:12 AM)

the problem with knowledge and memories is that our brains interpret/fill in gaps so it may not be completely accurate. It wouldn't be much different from autobiographical books/movies.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:37 AM)

yeah...this could just end up as a way for them to sell our grandkids Crystal Pepsi Max

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:35 AM)

Well, maybe this facebook mind reading thing I've been hearing about is the first step to that.... though I have to admit I'd prefer if it weren't such an advertising and data-collection obsessed company working on it

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:25 AM)

i'm legitimately hoping for the day when that happens, my snark aside, TM2-Megatron. Imagine what could be accomplished if future generations had first hand knowledge of the thoughts and contexts of the events that shaped their ancestors', and their own, world?

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:24 AM)

Even if it's just a way to download knowledge and memories without consciousness from a brain, I think that would go a long way towards easing people's minds.


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#1121 SHIELD Agent 47

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 01:17 AM

 

But Optimus Prime and the Last Autobot were explicitly separate individuals in Marvel, and that pillar universe was linked to multiversal singularities prior to the Shroud.


I admit I haven't read everything dealing with the Shroud, but didn't it affect both space and time? After all, my theory partially relies on individuals being split into two in some universes (such as IDW).

 

 

Well admittedly the Shroud is so all-powerful it can justifiably apply to anything, but I prefer to think that what happened before was not completely erased from existence. And as I recall, "Vector Prime: In the Beginning" established that Primus and Unicron's awakenings in "The Primal Scream" reverberated across the multiverse and triggered awakenings in many universes (serving as a meta reference to the beginning of Primus/Unicron stories). And if Optimus and Autonomous interacted with each other in Marvel, then well come on.


Edited by SHIELD Agent 47, 21 April 2017 - 01:21 AM.


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 01:32 AM

 

But Optimus Prime and the Last Autobot were explicitly separate individuals in Marvel, and that pillar universe was linked to multiversal singularities prior to the Shroud.

I admit I haven't read everything dealing with the Shroud, but didn't it affect both space and time? After all, my theory partially relies on individuals being split into two in some universes (such as IDW).
 
 
Well admittedly the Shroud is so all-powerful it can justifiably apply to anything, but I prefer to think that what happened before was not completely erased from existence. And as I recall, "Vector Prime: In the Beginning" established that Primus and Unicron's awakenings in "The Primal Scream" reverberated across the multiverse and triggered awakenings in many universes (serving as a meta reference to the beginning of Primus/Unicron stories). And if Optimus and Autonomous interacted with each other in Marvel, then well come on.

I guess my thinking was less "every version of Optimus Prime was once the same person as Autonomus Prime," but more that Uniend Optimus and Autonomous were equivalents of one another. It's possible that when Uniend Optimus first entered the Well of All Sparks, his spark was reborn into that of Orion Pax, so that he would be considered a "different" individual.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 05:55 AM

I promise you that none of my personal canon has been conceived to be compatible with Ask Vector Prime.



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:41 AM

Cybertron originally had many different religions and mythologies (the Covenant and the Guiding Hand are relics of these), and the current Primus/Thirteen origin is a revised "post-Nicaea" doctrine that has superceded these early apocrypha.

Orion Pax's discovery of this "deception" while archive-diving is part of what initially led him (and Bugly, Bludgeon, and Mindwipe) to join Megatron's movement.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 04:27 PM

Sunstreaker still has a little bit of Hunter left inside his mind, sort of like how the Constructicons still have a little bit of Scrapper left in their minds even after he died. There's not enough in there to, say, recreate Hunter’s mind or anything but Sunstreaker sometimes hears Hunter's voice in his head and there’s been a couple of times where he’s even carried on conversations with him. He tried bringing it up to Sideswipe once but he didn’t understand and Sunstreaker told him to forget it.



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Posted 22 April 2017 - 07:42 PM

the Alchemor's prisoner manifest includes a gang that includes a sharkticon, a skunkticon, an amphiboid, and a sciuricon (squirrel bot). The reason why they were locked up?

 

Impersonating Optimus Prime and three of his lieutenants, and other crimes that include trying to steal a decommissioned cybertronian tram, a powerful explosive, and at least 400 miniature fuel cells/batteries.

 

EDIT - their identities include:

 

Sky-Byte, who turns into jet bomber. A noted poet and con artist who seeks to one day make the jump from petty crime to being a full fledged warlord.

Slapper, the team's cracker, who becomes an amphibious transport and uses his extendable tongue to hack electronic devices.

Gas Skunk, who turns into a motorcycle and is a demolitions expert who isn't really much of an expert and is pretty much only good with making explosives using his naturally occurring gasses.

Darkscream, who becomes a fighter jet and has delusions of being a swordsbot.


Edited by Razorsaw, 22 April 2017 - 08:31 PM.

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Posted 23 April 2017 - 12:24 PM

In some realities, Alpha Trion's predecessors A1 and A2 are Alchemist and Amalgamous Prime, Trion likes to remind them that they were only born a few nanokliks before him.



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