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@  PlutoniumBoss : (25 June 2019 - 10:12 PM)

It's like drawing someone in the "superhero landing" pose. It's just part of the cultural vocabulary at this point.

@  Arazyr : (25 June 2019 - 07:14 PM)

I can hear that post... *shudder*

@  B-Fox : (25 June 2019 - 06:09 PM)

So why does Cyberverse sound like . . . *that*?

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 04:05 PM)

Also, the theoretical new image would be a new compostion, it would just be individual bodies, or even just body parts, that are based on existing references by other creators, with the major caveat that there is more than one example for each reference so it's basically more like "following an established trend" than "copying someone's original creation".

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 04:03 PM)

Well, an homage is usually marked by a signature along the lines of "artist X after artist Y". I wasn't thinking about recreating something particularly memorable, just looking for reference images (just of a pose/perspective/layout) that looks like what I want, then finding more examples that just happen to look very similar, and it cannot be determined which version came "first".

@  ZakuConvoy : (25 June 2019 - 03:09 PM)

What you're describing is more an "homage" than plagiarism, really. I'm assuming you would be using different characters. It's basically like all the comic covers that homage the death of Supergirl cover from Crisis on Infinite Earths...but with different characters. It's not plagiarism, it's a reference. But if several artists have a memorable layout and are all using it, chances are it actually is referencing something memorably original.

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:56 PM)

Would that still qualify as plagiarism? After all, it could be argued that what I've recreated isn't that original to begin with since several other people have supposedly had the same general idependently from each other.

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:54 PM)

And I were then to create a new image, not traced but maybe "swiped", except I wouldn't copy a specific source image, but merely recreate the basic pose and perspective shared between all of them...

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:52 PM)

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@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:49 PM)

And out of sheer coincidence, they all feature very similar ideas, concepts, poses and/or perspectives, supposedly with none of the original creators having copied from one of the others...

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:47 PM)

Assuming I were to find not one but two, three, four or even more source images, all of them by different artists, or by different photographers depicting different models...

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:45 PM)

Just out of curiosity, a question regarding the concept of plagiarism:

@  Benbot : (25 June 2019 - 08:58 AM)

That game needs a remake

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (25 June 2019 - 08:57 AM)

I am Error.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 June 2019 - 08:17 AM)

There is no error. There is only Zuul.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (25 June 2019 - 07:51 AM)

The unicron singularity fixes all continuity errors.. including Power Rangers related ones now!

@  MEDdMI : (25 June 2019 - 07:06 AM)

I reject your canon and substitute my own

@  unluckiness : (25 June 2019 - 12:32 AM)

Answer: It doesn't matter because even if there was one, it was never relevant in S1 and it got blown up with his original body

@  PlutoniumBoss : (24 June 2019 - 10:55 PM)

Most people think Transformers canon is a series of discrete parallel lines, really it's more like a big ball of canony-wanony... stuff.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 June 2019 - 06:31 PM)

Hate to say this, but the simple answer is that you are thinking too hard and realistically, it does not matter.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 June 2019 - 04:57 PM)

Don't tell me what to do.

@  Paladin : (24 June 2019 - 04:16 PM)

don't cross the streams.

@  tffan01 : (24 June 2019 - 03:03 PM)

Or is this what AVP meant when he said that condradictory streams formed the JG1 timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 June 2019 - 02:25 PM)

I don't like that idea.

@  tffan01 : (24 June 2019 - 02:24 PM)

In Ask Vector Prime, it was mentioned that in the Beast Wars 2 universe, Convoys all have Energon Matrices and that when Optimus Primal from the Japanese Beast Wars stream was transported to the Beast Wars 2 stream, his history was subtly altered that he too possessed an Energon Matrix. What does this mean? That Beast Wars 2 is actually not canon to the Japanese Beast Wars?

@  MEDdMI : (24 June 2019 - 08:54 AM)

yeah, I've got a few others that I need to check out/get removed. The nose one is small but annoying since I hit it every time I blow my nose.

@  unluckiness : (24 June 2019 - 08:46 AM)

Try to get a histopath examination if it isn't too expensive over there. It's probably just a mole but I'd think certainty would be better.

@  MEDdMI : (24 June 2019 - 07:59 AM)

@unluckiness I know, plan to get it removed but gotta get an appt first

@  Gizmoboy : (24 June 2019 - 07:50 AM)

oops... typed that in the wrong field. :)

@  Gizmoboy : (24 June 2019 - 07:50 AM)

gizmoboy

@  unluckiness : (24 June 2019 - 03:18 AM)

That is not a good thing, especially in the long term

@  MEDdMI : (23 June 2019 - 10:17 PM)

So who wants to hear about this mole on my nose that I keep scratching open

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 June 2019 - 09:24 PM)

Yeah, it's kind of defeating the purpose of making political discussions more restricted if you're just gonna go at it elsewhere on this site.

@  Telly : (23 June 2019 - 07:06 PM)

that would probly fit better in the p & r thread. its there for things just like this

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:29 PM)

The citizens resisted by buying up all the town's beer reserves so the Nazis would have to stay sober the entire time.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:28 PM)

Meanwhile, congratulations civil resistance, part 2: So a group of Nazis were holding one of their Good Old Times Reenactment festivals in a small East German town.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:26 PM)

It's basically like an anti-Trump candidate winning Texas.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:25 PM)

The mayoral elections of Istanbul are considered to be a key indicator for the political climate in the entire country.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:24 PM)

This time, it was a landslide victory for the opposition's candidate.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:23 PM)

After president Erdogan had a court revoke the results of the mayoral election of Istanbul after the opposition party's candidate had won by a small margin, the election was repeated today.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:21 PM)

Congratulations, democracy part 1: Today is a historic day for Turkey.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (23 June 2019 - 02:31 PM)

Convert, does he timeout?

@  unluckiness : (23 June 2019 - 09:12 AM)

Did he form the feet and legs or the arms and body?

@  Patch : (22 June 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Nah, he was one of the Lions

@  MEDdMI : (22 June 2019 - 04:45 PM)

Is he a Shellformer

@  Nevermore : (22 June 2019 - 12:38 PM)

Supposedly it's about that football player Calvin Johnson.

@  Pennpenn : (22 June 2019 - 07:03 AM)

I'm vaguely confused why there is a Nicki Minaj song in my youtube reccomendations, but even more confused as to why that song (which appears to be from an official account) is called "MEGATRON".

@  Liege : (21 June 2019 - 10:03 PM)

Alpha Q all night long.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (21 June 2019 - 10:44 AM)

Only if you ask nicely, Silv.

@  RichardT1977 : (21 June 2019 - 09:42 AM)

1998 Zilla is the Gaijin era.


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#1 Master Fwiffo

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 11:51 PM



My first batch of Godzilla movies were taped from this marathon. Good memories.

Haha, they labeled Gabara as Baragon.



Anyway, the real reason for recreating this thread actually picks up off non-Godzilla stuff. As I mentioned in the last thread, I picked up the original Ultraman series solely because I knew they reused the Godzilla suits in a few episodes. Needless to say, I had a blast.

I've now acquired the complete Ultra Q (the series that preceeded Ultraman but was more Kaiju and less Sentai focused) and unfortunately, the copies I got are raw in Japanese. Anybody know where I might be able to find a subtitle copy of the series?

I'd also like to track down Ultraseven too. >>

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 03:03 AM

I'm not sure the original Ultra Q has ever been fully subtitled. I think someone made some subbed VHS or DVDs a few years back distributed during a convention, but not the whole series, and not uploaded online.

Ultraseven was apparently subbed by a group called Hi no Tori.

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 03:15 AM

look on the first post in the toku thread for all the subbed Ultra stuff

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 07:28 AM

Has anyone gotten a copy of the new Destroy All Monsters DVD/BD? I'd like to hear some thoughts on it overall.

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 05:49 PM

QUOTE(Starsteam @ Nov 8 2011, 08:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Has anyone gotten a copy of the new Destroy All Monsters DVD/BD? I'd like to hear some thoughts on it overall.

A gazillion times better than the previous ADV Films release. I've only watched the default dub on the bluray so far though. Colors don't seem as vibrant as they should be in some scenes, but that's the only nitpick I can find so far, and its probably something you can fix by tweaking your tv color settings anyway. I hadn't watched this in a long while because the ADV flaws look even worse on a HDTV, so I had forgotten that there are actually more kaiju scenes than I remembered. Definitely recommended based on the default dub and just the movie alone. I'm looking forward to sampling the other audio tracks, commentary, and extras.



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Posted 11 November 2011 - 01:23 PM

QUOTE(Starsteam @ Nov 8 2011, 05:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Has anyone gotten a copy of the new Destroy All Monsters DVD/BD? I'd like to hear some thoughts on it overall.


HMV stores in Canada aren't carrying either of the new Destroy All Monsters or Godzilla Vs Megalon DVD/BRDs. icon-megs.gif But we did get the latest Gamera BRD releases.

In other news, CBR has some preview pages from Godzilla Legends #1: Anguirus.

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 06:49 PM

These are rather nice, though maybe too expensive for most people's tastes.

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 06:51 PM

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I get a "Monsterland Godzilla from GvGigan" vibe from that super deformed G.

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 07:00 PM

Same here, and I love Mechagodzilla's Jet Jaguar styled grin.

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 08:47 PM

Just finished watching the Destroy All Monsters blu-ray with the commentary. The commentary is very informative without any pauses. I never noticed that the original Ultraman, Hayata, was one of the brainwashed scientists in the background on Monster Island!

On my second watch I was able to soak in the extra detail even more. Details in the miniatures, suits, matte paintings and the like. Any tiny scene with Varan, Baragon, Manda where they weren't much more than background blurr I can at least see some detail now. I understand that the one group scene with the three of them in the background on the right is actually a cardboard cutout painting.

The default English dub is not the original AIP version, which the commentary says is superior. I'm in the process of listening to the AIP now, and although it's not quite as clean as the default track, the dubbing is definitely much better and what's being spoken better matches what's going on. The first few minutes definitely have some warbling going on like there's a helicopter in the room. Fortunately Clubtokyo.org is saying that audio problem is confined to that first few minutes, and that if you watch it in English, you should watch the AIP dub. I'll post here if I notice the helicopter show up again, but so far so good.

And there's more! There's two Japanese audio tracks, one of which is in 5.1! So I'll be watching this yet again in such a short time! I can't recommend this blu-ray enough.

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 08:55 PM

Man, I'm watching Gamera 3 for the first time in probably 10 years and I'd forgotten how intense the battle in Shibuya is. I can't remember another kaiju movie that has dealt with the "collateral" damage of a giant monster battle like Gamera 3. That's the one thing that's always bugged me about the Godzilla movies - with but a few exceptions, the places Godzilla and others destroy are treated as if they've been fully evacuated and civilian casualties are almost non-existent. In Gamera 3 the human toll is very real and they don't shy away from showing it either, and the casualties are as much from the actions of Gamera as the actions of Gyaos, effectively making the point that this Gamera doesn't so much care about humanity as he does about destroying his natural enemy. I've got to point out too that the special effects are probably the best I've ever seen in a kaiju movie which only adds to the intensity of the battles.
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Posted 11 November 2011 - 10:53 PM

QUOTE(Fullstrength Motleypuss @ Nov 11 2011, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, I'm watching Gamera 3 for the first time in probably 10 years and I'd forgotten how intense the battle in Shibuya is. I can't remember another kaiju movie that has dealt with the "collateral" damage of a giant monster battle like Gamera 3. That's the one thing that's always bugged me about the Godzilla movies - with but a few exceptions, the places Godzilla and others destroy are treated as if they've been fully evacuated and civilian casualties are almost non-existent. In Gamera 3 the human toll is very real and they don't shy away from showing it either, and the casualties are as much from the actions of Gamera as the actions of Gyaos, effectively making the point that this Gamera doesn't so much care about humanity as he does about destroying his natural enemy. I've got to point out too that the special effects are probably the best I've ever seen in a kaiju movie which only adds to the intensity of the battles.


The Shibuya battle and the ariel fight in that movie are absolutely fantastic. It's too bad the final battle is just a rather dull shoving match.

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 10:58 PM

QUOTE(Master Fwiffo @ Nov 11 2011, 10:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Fullstrength Motleypuss @ Nov 11 2011, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, I'm watching Gamera 3 for the first time in probably 10 years and I'd forgotten how intense the battle in Shibuya is. I can't remember another kaiju movie that has dealt with the "collateral" damage of a giant monster battle like Gamera 3. That's the one thing that's always bugged me about the Godzilla movies - with but a few exceptions, the places Godzilla and others destroy are treated as if they've been fully evacuated and civilian casualties are almost non-existent. In Gamera 3 the human toll is very real and they don't shy away from showing it either, and the casualties are as much from the actions of Gamera as the actions of Gyaos, effectively making the point that this Gamera doesn't so much care about humanity as he does about destroying his natural enemy. I've got to point out too that the special effects are probably the best I've ever seen in a kaiju movie which only adds to the intensity of the battles.


The Shibuya battle and the ariel fight in that movie are absolutely fantastic. It's too bad the final battle is just a rather dull shoving match.


No kidding. I have a feeling they blew most of the budget on Shibuya and the CGI for Iris and it cost us a more impressive final battle.
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Posted 12 November 2011 - 11:26 PM

I finished watching the DAM blu-ray with the AIP dub, and the "helicopter" is confined to the first few minutes. The rest of the dub isn't as clean as the default english dub, there's some slight hiss and popping here and there, but it's definitely the better dub despite that. I understand now why the G fans who were aware of it were so adamant about it being included.

I sampled the Japanese 5.1 and it's ok considering it was never in 5.1 in the first place. Also watched the photo extras which was pretty cool. A nice slideshow of behind the scene stills and promotional material. I was suprised to see Varan and Baragon show up as often as I did in the pics. Is the "8mm" extra the source of the AIP dub? Not sure why it was included.

You know what would have made the final battle with Ghidorah better? If Ghidorah had managed to kill one(or more) of the lesser kaiju. The Varan and Baragon suits were barely holding together anyway, so death by electrical explosion would have been a cool way to finally retire them. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 11:41 PM

Finally got my copies of DAM DVD and CD, and the Gamera Bluray Trilogy. Now then, for the DAM DVD, which audio should I listen with? I'm planning on watching the original Japanese since that what the picture appears to be from. I don't normally watch more than one language unless the film has some difference in it (such as the classic media DVDs) but when it's the same picture with the different dubs (Shouts Gamera DVDs) then I just watch one.

After I get the Criterion Gojira bluray, I plan to re-buy DAM and Megalon on Bluray. I just wanted to finish my DVD collection first.

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 09:15 AM

QUOTE(Alpha Omega Trion Supreme @ Nov 12 2011, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know what would have made the final battle with Ghidorah better? If Ghidorah had managed to kill one(or more) of the lesser kaiju. The Varan and Baragon suits were barely holding together anyway, so death by electrical explosion would have been a cool way to finally retire them. icon-hotrod.gif

Well, Baragon's suit was totally refurbished by the end of filming (as you can see in the final scene), so would have been a bit of a waste.

That said, one of the nice things about the Showa movies was the fact that they avoided killing off the monsters compared to the Gamera movies, or the Heisei and Millennium movies.

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(Alpha Omega Trion Supreme @ Nov 12 2011, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know what would have made the final battle with Ghidorah better? If Ghidorah had managed to kill one(or more) of the lesser kaiju. The Varan and Baragon suits were barely holding together anyway, so death by electrical explosion would have been a cool way to finally retire them. icon-hotrod.gif

Well, Baragon's suit was totally refurbished by the end of filming (as you can see in the final scene), so would have been a bit of a waste.

That said, one of the nice things about the Showa movies was the fact that they avoided killing off the monsters compared to the Gamera movies, or the Heisei and Millennium movies.


Or they killed them but brought them back anyway.

Baragon and Anguirus getting their necks snapped, but I think Gorosaurus got the worst in his first appearance (Jaw snapped off).

In the scheme of things, those were all rather minor injuries (well, minus the fact that Anguirus was set on fire, but hey, he then fell right into the water).

Hand-waved away easily enough if you just say that every kaiju has massive regenerative abilities.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 12:51 AM

I enjoy Terror of Mechagodzilla a lot more, but yeah, DAM works pretty well as a proper finale.

Though it often makes you wonder if Earth was relative peace from 1975 to 1999, or if there were all sorts of wacky adventures.

Shame Toho isn't likely to do some retro throwback series like that.

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 04:29 PM

Atragon Revoltech.

http://www.bigbadtoy...amp;mode=retail

I wonder if a Manda accessory might be included?

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 05:12 PM

Oh god suddenly I want a Final Wars one SO BAD.

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