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@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 August 2019 - 12:07 AM)

Well then they need to re-release Vector Prime. :D Of course I would accept Vector Prime Headmaster with Alpha Trion as the head.

@  unluckiness : (18 August 2019 - 12:05 AM)

That said, the bendy sword is ridiculous.

@  unluckiness : (18 August 2019 - 12:05 AM)

I dunno, the old one is still pretty good by modern standards and the clunkiness is somewhat in-character.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 August 2019 - 08:37 PM)

We need a new vector prime

@  Paladin : (17 August 2019 - 03:59 PM)

just don't leave Cybertron Vector Prime out in the sun or his wings will melt.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 August 2019 - 03:17 PM)

@Nevermore Duly noted.

@  Rycochet : (17 August 2019 - 02:12 PM)

I have three Cybertron Vector Primes, wouldn't throw them around though. I love that design too much,

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 August 2019 - 02:03 PM)

I'm just picturing someone throwing a pile of Vector Prime toys around. I don't know why.

@  Rycochet : (17 August 2019 - 01:42 PM)

Multi Vector Assault mode is what they go into when they think anyone's even slightly infringing on their IP.

@  Ashley : (17 August 2019 - 02:30 AM)

They MIGHT have done it for Star Trek Online ships, but even if they have that'd be a fairly specific category.

@  Tieria Prime : (17 August 2019 - 02:11 AM)

Hi friends

@  Nevermore : (17 August 2019 - 02:05 AM)

So only if Viacom/Paramount has actively trademarked the term "multi-vector assault mode", offered goods or services under that name and has been offering those goods and services in recent years, Hasbro cannot offer goods or services under that name in the same category.

@  Nevermore : (17 August 2019 - 02:04 AM)

And they need to be consistently used on top of that.

@  Nevermore : (17 August 2019 - 02:03 AM)

Even if they are trademarked.

@  Nevermore : (17 August 2019 - 02:02 AM)

Words and terms used in dialogue shouldn't be affected.

@  Nevermore : (17 August 2019 - 02:02 AM)

Also, the trademarks only apply in commerce. You use them to identify goods and services.

@  Ashley : (16 August 2019 - 11:55 PM)

Yeah, you also need to apply for it. They might've never bothered to trademark that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 August 2019 - 08:37 PM)

Trademark affects titles and product names, not every word in writing. For example, DC called their character "Captain Marvel" as recently as 2014.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (16 August 2019 - 08:30 PM)

You missed my point. I was addressing the usage of the phrase in dialogue. Hence the quotation marks.

@  Pennpenn : (16 August 2019 - 08:00 PM)

Well, they can anyway, they might just not be able to call it that...

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (16 August 2019 - 06:54 PM)

It would be awesome for Transformers to have the likes of Overlord and Sky Lynx "engage multi-vector assault mode!"

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (16 August 2019 - 06:53 PM)

It is a shame that "multi-vector assault mode" is probably trademarked for Star Trek.

@  unluckiness : (15 August 2019 - 10:54 PM)

Only if they manage to boomer-proof it

@  RichardT1977 : (15 August 2019 - 08:16 PM)

(and would that really be a bad thing?)

@  RichardT1977 : (15 August 2019 - 08:16 PM)

Wouldn't a cybernetic singularity actually remove one or more of the top levels of Maslow's hierarchy?

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 August 2019 - 07:40 PM)

Tomy made some strange selections on their first wave of Tomica releases for the US

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 August 2019 - 06:26 PM)

Resistance is futile.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 August 2019 - 06:20 PM)

I would be down for a nice cybernetic singularity if it meant we could actually reach the top of maslow's hierarchy.

@  Ashley : (15 August 2019 - 05:44 PM)

I'm pretty sure the origin of the villains in GaoGaiGar was a computer being told to reduce the stress of the population and it's answer was to assimilate everyone.

@  Maximus Ambus : (15 August 2019 - 01:53 PM)

Executions then followed by nano reanimation then cryonic suspension until everyone you know is deactivated for good so you can build happiness in a future society.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 August 2019 - 01:47 PM)

As opposed to the ones that lie already? As a civilization: we're emotional and socially broken. Might as well have the society that at least wants us to be "happy".

@  RichardT1977 : (15 August 2019 - 11:48 AM)

Or you'd have a lot of people lying about their emotional state to avoid being executed.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 August 2019 - 11:18 AM)

That would actually be a massive step up: since there's a LOT of stuff needed to quantify happiness, and it could only be an improvement over the existing governments which actually don't care if you live or die, never mind if you're "happy".

@  RichardT1977 : (15 August 2019 - 10:02 AM)

Happiness is mandatory, citizen. Failure to be happy is treason. Have a nice daycycle!

@  unluckiness : (15 August 2019 - 01:46 AM)

Maslow's hierarchy of needs

@  MrBlud : (14 August 2019 - 09:46 PM)

Humanity is pretty forgiving if you take care of its basic needs. "Freedom" and "Privacy" don't have much hold when you can't afford food, shelter, or medicine.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 August 2019 - 03:29 PM)

Something something peace through tyranny.

@  Maximus Ambus : (14 August 2019 - 02:43 PM)

You probably will have a house, AI overseers will crack down on stress, poverty, homelessness and human administration.

@  Rycochet : (14 August 2019 - 02:36 PM)

The bad news is they'll probab;y be made and operated by Amazon so will record every single thing you do and transmit it to their datacenters so theycan have human operators sift through it and laugh at footage of you dancing in your socks or having intercourse.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (14 August 2019 - 02:32 PM)

What if I don't have a house by then?

@  wonko the sane? : (14 August 2019 - 02:32 PM)

If the robot will do the cleaning, I don't care if it's mandatory. I'm sick of moping floors.

@  Maximus Ambus : (14 August 2019 - 02:05 PM)

humanoid service robots, one for every house in the west. ETA: 2050. household robots will be mandatory.

@  Rycochet : (14 August 2019 - 02:03 PM)

All I know is it'd be tragic if those evil robots win. I know she can beat them.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 August 2019 - 01:53 PM)

Big ones? Small ones? Ones as big as your head?

@  Rycochet : (14 August 2019 - 12:22 PM)

The robots are pink. Someone call Yoshimi!

@  wonko the sane? : (14 August 2019 - 11:11 AM)

Yeah, could you maybe be more specific? Are they good robots? Bad ones? Do they just want to take our jobs? We need more information to work out how we feel about them.

@  Benbot : (14 August 2019 - 11:03 AM)

which ones?

@  Maximus Ambus : (13 August 2019 - 11:24 AM)

Robots are coming....

@  wonko the sane? : (12 August 2019 - 07:14 PM)

my nephew showed me the cuphead rap, and now it's stuck in my head...

@  Hg Dragon : (12 August 2019 - 07:07 PM)

Hershey squirts. AKA diarrhea


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#3021 Spark

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:01 AM

I liked Sigma Six in concept, but not in execution. The show was bad and the toys were ugly.

Probably to the ire of half the Joe fans out there, I think G. I. Joe would benefit from moving away from the pseudo-realistic military theme for a while. Renegades touched on it, but chickened out with using the cartoon aesthetic or even giving it a full toyline.

Edited by Spark, 12 July 2013 - 08:02 AM.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:13 AM

QUOTE(Betty Nor @ Jul 12 2013, 06:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And what about Sigma 6? That was a pretty gross departure (toy-wise).

No, G.I. Joe just needs a way to capture the new generation. They need a TMNT-esque revolution.

EVERY time they've tried revising the formula-- Renegades, Resolute, S6-- it's failed. The brand exists in cycles, and, to me, seems to be most popular when the military is in the public's favor. GI Joe came out in 1964, which coincides with our early involvement in Vietnam (appropriately, it was rebranded as a series of non-military adventure series when the public realized how much of a muddle LBJ and Nixon had gotten us into-- this is delving into some P&R stuff, so I won't continue); in the 80s it was the cold war against the dastardly Soviets; in the 90s it was the Gulf War, but in the 2000s, it's been an unpopular war on two fronts that has seen the line slowly and steadily decline in popularity.

Of course, one could also say that the line turning into nothing but ninjas serves as a death rattle... *looks at 1993 and 2012 lines*

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:33 AM

Yeah, I'm not quite sure why the solution to waning sales always seems to be "more ninjas". Don't they know the Rule of Ninja Effectiveness? Heh.
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:37 AM

Sadly we never saw anything Sigma 6 related on the shelves here. While the large figures aren't my thing I liked the look of them and really wanted those Articulated animals that came later, the snake, tiger, Timber, Crocodile and Scorpion (if only there was a dedicated animal toy line for articulated animals).


If they went smaller like the Sigma 6 sub line then they'd need to do them like the Human Alliance human figures, not these half static figurines the Sigma 6 mission line had. In all of G.I. Joe it seems the one thing that they have in common, design wise was the ability to pose like no other action figure in the Western world.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:45 AM

Is that Cobra Commander the Dollar General one with the PoC head stuck on?
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:00 AM

Sigma 6 was really rather cool, though. I loved the aesthetic, liked the modular ports for storing gear, and the accessories were some of the best GI Joe has ever come with. It was a shame the cooler figures were in later waves that either didn't see wide release or were cancelled in general...

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:54 AM

QUOTE(Aberration @ Jul 12 2013, 02:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wouldn't Extreme be Joe's Beast Wars? I wonder if things would've gone differently for that iteration if it was the same characters and story, but with more traditional toys.


My thing with Extreme was the fact that Hasbro should have just simply said that the cast was re-imagined versions of the vintage Joes. Not only did just about everyone have a direct counterpart with the 1980s line, the animation studio even went so far as to crib at least one vintage PSA (it was the "glasses" one; they just substituted Lt. Stone for Ripcord).

Instead, I'm thinking that a lot of fans who were old enough to remember the 1980s line were simply too confused by what they saw to really know what to make of it.



Parallels:

Lt. Stone - Duke

Sgt. Savage - Grunt

Black Dragon - Snake-Eyes

Mayday - Scarlet

Ballistic / Eagle-Eye - Low-Light

Quickstrike - Alpine

(naval specialist) - Torpedo

Metal-Head - Rock & Roll

Tracker - Spirit

Freight - Roadblock

(bureaucrat who oversaw the team) - Trent

Iron Klaw - Cobra Commander

Rampage - Destro

Inferno - Dr. Mindbender

(big bruiser) - Road Pig

Skyrenes - B.A.T.S.

The assault helicopter could have been the Dragonfly, the Thundering Fury could have been the Mauler, the Road Bullet could have been the Silver Mirage, the Joe artillery platform could have been the FLAK, and the Klaw jet could have been the Night Raven.

The only things to *not* have direct counterparts are the Sandstorm vehicle (the tank / hovercraft get-up), the sniper that Klaw hires, and the Klaw artillery platform.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:03 PM

One year they should just totally go bananas experimenting with GI Joe.

Drop the military focus. Mention it, perhaps, as a NEST-like global anti-terrorist/whoever strike force. But make its applications almost entirely MASK-like: crazy sci-fi weapons, vehicles and such. Reasonably colorful, none of that all-black accelerator suit stuff. Have them fight the occasional terrorist cell, but open this up to more threats outside of that scope. Animated-style sci-fi-y powered villains. Maybe maintain a small subteam/subline that IS military-heavy. Sort of an inversion of the old formula. Hell, I don't even care if people say this "disrespects or drops everything that Joe stands for." If the property is to have any legs at all, it can't just keep leaning on "how cool is the US military, amirite?" ... and maybe a bit of growth and development from the fandom, which honestly seems like the greater uncertainty to me.

It occurs to me that this is pretty close to the overall feel of the VVV days, which has always seemed like much greater fun to me than "wow, look at how neat this vest/webgear/bloused combat fatigues look on this guy" being the driving force of the line. We've gotten a good couple of years of the latter, and more than enough molds to go into constructing the remaining remakes that people still really want.

Be fun to see the conniption fits that result from that much fun. Does anybody see any merit to this, though?

Edited by lastmaximal, 12 July 2013 - 12:04 PM.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:28 PM

lastmaximal, I think you've hit it on the head. That's pretty much exactly how I think Joe should be done, only more eloquently stated. It'll piss off those fans who think that Joe is and always was "Zero Dark Thirty", but I think they're somewhat disconnected from reality anyways.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:40 PM

QUOTE(lastmaximal @ Jul 12 2013, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Be fun to see the conniption fits that result from that much fun. Does anybody see any merit to this, though?


I had an idea a few years back for a revival in which the Joe force as a whole was broken down into different "special mission" teams, with each team being backed by greenshirts (or the equivalent). This would allow for the Joe franchise to cover a wide variety of possible threats and story types while still being "Joe", as each team would have a different purpose.

The "A" team would be a headquarters team and would represent the nucleus of the organization; rather than be tied to any one base, they would operate from the Mobile Command Center whenever possible and have a VAMP escort. This team would consist of Hawk, Steamroller (the MCC's driver), Roadblock (the MCC's chief gunner and an alternate field team leader), Lady J (chief of intelligence), Law & Order (MCC security), Mainframe, Dial-Tone, Lifeline, Doc, Psyche-Out, and Tripwire (MCC security). They would largely stay out of sight if at all possible.

The "B" team would be the "face" of the Joe organization, and would consist of Joes that, barring one or two loose screws, the media could actually report on without issue; they'd have Dragonflies for air support and a mix of light vehicles like RAMs, Armadillos, and Polar Battle Bears to help convey the notion of their being "special forces". I was thinking of having Stalker, Wild Bill, Airborne, Shockwave, Airtight, Mutt & Junkyard, Stretcher, Snow Job, Barbecue, Wet-Suit, and Leatherneck for this one. They would mostly focus on taking out the "everyday" terrorist groups and rebels.

The "C" team would be the "in your face" of the Joe organization; their mission would be to get in, obliterate Cobra (or whatever banana republic was in their path), and pull out before anybody was any wiser as to their presence or existence. They would have the heavy vehicles like the the MOBAT, Warthog AIFV, Skystriker, Wolverine, Bridgelayer, and WHALE. This team would be Duke, Steeler, Heavy Duty, Muskrat, Ace, Tollbooth, Cutter, Ripcord, Hit & Run, Cover Girl, and Grunt.

The "D" team would be straight-up commandos who would use Tomahawks for air support and light ground vehicles (like the Radar Rat and Tri-Blaster) once out on their missions. They'd be the ones to do the "sneaky" stuff, either by themselves or in support of one of the other teams. For this one, we'd be looking at Lift-Ticket, Snake-Eyes, Scarlet, Low-Light, Spirit, Torpedo, Rampart, Bullhorn, Lightfoot, Quick-Kick, and Gung-Ho.

The "E", or "Expendable" team, would be Tiger Force. The idea behind Tiger Force is that their odd colors, their use of both NATO & Cobra hardware simultaneously, and their irregular tactics would be a front to make people think that they were a private mercenary force rather than a team of Joes. They would be the ones to go in and handle missions that, for various reasons, the other Joe teams could not do (such as the mission being too dangerous or too politically sensitive). The roster would be Skystriker, Flint, Frostbite, Alpine, Bazooka, Shipwreck, Dusty, Tunnel Rat, Wreckage, Recondo, and Outback.

The "F" team would be Battle Force 3000; they'd be a re-badged BF2K with additional members. The official story would be that they're an experimental weapons team, but in reality their mission is to deal with "science fiction"-type threats that more conventional outfits aren't prepared to take on. For them, the roster would be Dodger, Sci-Fi, Avalanche, Blocker, Breaker, Blaster, Sneak-Peek, Maverick, Crazylegs, Knockdown, and Dee-Jay.

Other Joes would appear as needed, the explanation being that they were hidden within the regular service and activated / inactivated as needed for each particular mission.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:43 PM

As of today, I have $10 in gift cards to the local Target, which would get me one Movie figure or one figure / bike combo (given that the local Target has dropped the prices on them).


If you could get one figure or figure / bike combo, who would it be? This will likely be the only time for the next little while that I can snag anything Joe, and so I'd like to get the most bang for my buck.


Thanks.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:08 PM

QUOTE(Fortress Ironhold @ Jul 12 2013, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Aberration @ Jul 12 2013, 02:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wouldn't Extreme be Joe's Beast Wars? I wonder if things would've gone differently for that iteration if it was the same characters and story, but with more traditional toys.


My thing with Extreme was the fact that Hasbro should have just simply said that the cast was re-imagined versions of the vintage Joes. Not only did just about everyone have a direct counterpart with the 1980s line, the animation studio even went so far as to crib at least one vintage PSA (it was the "glasses" one; they just substituted Lt. Stone for Ripcord).

Instead, I'm thinking that a lot of fans who were old enough to remember the 1980s line were simply too confused by what they saw to really know what to make of it.

Hasbro (or Kenner, rather, at the time) didn't have to say anything. I doubt character confusion had anything to do with bad sales. That came from them being simply awful toys created in a misaimed attempt to compete with the rising Spawn figure market (hell, that's probably why Iron Klaw looks as XTREEEEME as he does).

QUOTE(lastmaximal @ Jul 12 2013, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One year they should just totally go bananas experimenting with GI Joe.

Drop the military focus. Mention it, perhaps, as a NEST-like global anti-terrorist/whoever strike force. But make its applications almost entirely MASK-like: crazy sci-fi weapons, vehicles and such. Reasonably colorful, none of that all-black accelerator suit stuff. Have them fight the occasional terrorist cell, but open this up to more threats outside of that scope. Animated-style sci-fi-y powered villains. Maybe maintain a small subteam/subline that IS military-heavy. Sort of an inversion of the old formula. Hell, I don't even care if people say this "disrespects or drops everything that Joe stands for." If the property is to have any legs at all, it can't just keep leaning on "how cool is the US military, amirite?" ... and maybe a bit of growth and development from the fandom, which honestly seems like the greater uncertainty to me.

It occurs to me that this is pretty close to the overall feel of the VVV days, which has always seemed like much greater fun to me than "wow, look at how neat this vest/webgear/bloused combat fatigues look on this guy" being the driving force of the line. We've gotten a good couple of years of the latter, and more than enough molds to go into constructing the remaining remakes that people still really want.

Be fun to see the conniption fits that result from that much fun. Does anybody see any merit to this, though?

I'd enjoy it as long as the articulation stays. Even better if it leads to a slow build somehow, like all these random techno threats being geared up by Cobra or SKAR. Hell, Cobra could be aliens for all I care, as long as they're entertaining. I've always had faaaar less complaints about Cobra stuff than Joes because Cobra is already pretty fantastical.

In truth, the last Joe comic I was excited about was basically this concept. Unfortunately, it was written by Andy Schmidt and not particularly well drawn aside from the covers, so I should have known better than to care. Basically, take the Future Noir idea, but throw out everything else because it was awful.


QUOTE(Fortress Ironhold @ Jul 12 2013, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As of today, I have $10 in gift cards to the local Target, which would get me one Movie figure or one figure / bike combo (given that the local Target has dropped the prices on them).


If you could get one figure or figure / bike combo, who would it be? This will likely be the only time for the next little while that I can snag anything Joe, and so I'd like to get the most bang for my buck.


Thanks.

Neither. The bikes suck. Go get a Ninja Duel Snake Eyes or something. Or just save it for when you really want something.

Edited by Spark, 12 July 2013 - 01:35 PM.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:22 PM

QUOTE(Spark @ Jul 12 2013, 09:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I liked Sigma Six in concept, but not in execution. The show was bad and the toys were ugly.

Probably to the ire of half the Joe fans out there, I think G. I. Joe would benefit from moving away from the pseudo-realistic military theme for a while. Renegades touched on it, but chickened out with using the cartoon aesthetic or even giving it a full toyline.

I liked the toys.... it's just that they were too big and expensive to amass the way one amasses smaller, cheaper figures. And at that scale, not much you could do for vehicles.
Didn't care much for the cartoon either.

QUOTE(Dr Syn @ Jul 12 2013, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Time for some fun.

Hah! I did the same thing with my Wave 1 DG Cobra Commander, but with the black Resolute Cobra Commander providing the head!

QUOTE(Fortress Ironhold @ Jul 12 2013, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My thing with Extreme was the fact that Hasbro should have just simply said that the cast was re-imagined versions of the vintage Joes. Not only did just about everyone have a direct counterpart with the 1980s line, the animation studio even went so far as to crib at least one vintage PSA (it was the "glasses" one; they just substituted Lt. Stone for Ripcord).

Instead, I'm thinking that a lot of fans who were old enough to remember the 1980s line were simply too confused by what they saw to really know what to make of it.

Yeah. Totally unlike Beast Wars with its Optimus Prime analog, its Megatron analog, its Bumblebee/Hot Rod analog, its Wheeljack analog, its Starscream analog and so forth.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:57 PM

QUOTE(lastmaximal @ Jul 12 2013, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One year they should just totally go bananas experimenting with GI Joe.

Drop the military focus. Mention it, perhaps, as a NEST-like global anti-terrorist/whoever strike force. But make its applications almost entirely MASK-like: crazy sci-fi weapons, vehicles and such. Reasonably colorful, none of that all-black accelerator suit stuff. Have them fight the occasional terrorist cell, but open this up to more threats outside of that scope. Animated-style sci-fi-y powered villains. Maybe maintain a small subteam/subline that IS military-heavy. Sort of an inversion of the old formula. Hell, I don't even care if people say this "disrespects or drops everything that Joe stands for." If the property is to have any legs at all, it can't just keep leaning on "how cool is the US military, amirite?" ... and maybe a bit of growth and development from the fandom, which honestly seems like the greater uncertainty to me.

It occurs to me that this is pretty close to the overall feel of the VVV days, which has always seemed like much greater fun to me than "wow, look at how neat this vest/webgear/bloused combat fatigues look on this guy" being the driving force of the line. We've gotten a good couple of years of the latter, and more than enough molds to go into constructing the remaining remakes that people still really want.

Be fun to see the conniption fits that result from that much fun. Does anybody see any merit to this, though?
I'm in. I've always had more fondness for GI Joe when it relies on the fantastical rather than the straight military. I love it when the Joes have to react and adapt to Cobra's outrageous genetic and robotic threats. I could be VERY happy following the adventures of the Joes running around taking on Mega-Monsters, V-Troops, Cobra-La (reimagined as a genetic experiment rather than a pre-human civilization), and the occasional platoon of BATS led by the crazed cyborgs Overkill and General Blitz. Throw in a few ninjas just for the giggles... The whole point is that they shouldn't be shying away from the crazy, they should embrace it!
QUOTE(Aberration @ Jul 12 2013, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
lastmaximal, I think you've hit it on the head. That's pretty much exactly how I think Joe should be done, only more eloquently stated. It'll piss off those fans who think that Joe is and always was "Zero Dark Thirty", but I think they're somewhat disconnected from reality anyways.
Yeah, it's a lost cause. The people who champion straight military realism in GI Joe always point to the first few years of ARAH as the gold standard. Point out that right from the start we had a Laser Trooper MOS and an artillery laser, and they just roll their eyes and tell you that you don't get it.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:12 PM

I think the primary thing Hasbro needs in order to refresh the Joe brand is to support it like they've supported Prime. Full toyline support even at the detriment of the grumpy collector-friendly stuff, heavy promotion, lots of investment and faith in the tie-in cartoon... you know, the stuff Hasbro gave to Prime.

lastmaximal's idea is fantastic but Hasbro needs to be fully invested in it, regardless of the risks.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:45 PM

It definitely needs a full toyline and related cartoon going at the same time. Get it running concurrently somewhere beyond The Hub, even better.
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:58 PM

Is the space race still going on or am I a few decades late? I would love to see the joes take the war with cobra back in space. Just a whole space theme but still pseudo realistic and colonize the moon or something. Great way to get some kind of defiant rerelease out there. Joes In Space! And space ninjas! Gives MARS a new meaning!

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:05 PM

Well, there was Star Brigade... although by the end it was segueing into some weird Aliens/Starship Troopers hybrid.


Personally, I'm not into having aliens in GI Joe. I can handle all sorts of genetic and robotic shenanigans, alternate universes, ninja magic, and so on, but at the core I feel ARAH is about the best soldiers humanity has to offer battling against... well, humanity gone wrong. Once you introduce aliens it's just a matter of time before both sides are recruiting them, making alliances, yadda yadda and somewhere in there it stops being about the "super" soldiers and starts being Flash Gordon. Don't get me wrong, I like Flash Gordon, but I'm of the mind that GI Joe is not and should not be comparable to it.


(This is basically a condensed version of a much-lengthier rant I've been known to go on... if it doesn't make complete sense, it's because I'm sparing all of you. icon-arcee.gif )

#3039 Detour

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:11 PM

Yeah, I'm not too big on space battles either.

I'm accepting of drug dealers, genetically-created monstrosities, killer plants, nanomites, ninjas, killer robots and cyborgs, adventuring and yetis, etc.

But no. No aliens. No space combat. That way lies Star Wars. Or the climactic battle of Moonraker. Either way, not what I want out of Joe.


EDIT: Also, we need more Joe firefighters. Just Barbecue alone isn't enough. We need a few more Joe firefighters and a firefighting vehicle. Kids love firefighters.

Edited by Detour, 12 July 2013 - 06:17 PM.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


#3040 the last prince

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:28 PM

Well I wasn't thinking aliens in my bit there, just take the battle out into space, the moon and mars and such. Keep it localized. It's just different than what we have had in the past 2 decades. Not much else has really worked...

Edited by the last prince, 12 July 2013 - 06:28 PM.




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