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@  Maximus Ambus : (11 August 2020 - 03:52 AM)

Others say Joe sat down at this pond next to these ducks but really there's just no place in this world for an old man and his ducks.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P


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#1321 ZacWilliam1

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 06:54 AM


I loved playsets in the day (I was one of those kids who had them all, even the Flagg) and still love them now. If Hasbro could capture the lightning in a bottle of the large Joe playsets I'd be all for it.

BUT I admit there are large factors against them, from rising prices to the much decreased popularity of G.I.Joe with kids in the first place. This makes me sad.

I wonder if this might not be a spot where 3rd Party companies could find a nitch. Collectors generally have the money and the love of the line to support more expensive endevors. It would be pricey, sure, but then look at our giant 3party $600+ Devastator...


-ZacWilliam, Maybe the Joe toyline could at least manage what SW does and give us a couple playsetty vehicles. A new Defiant shuttle or Battle Platform, but, saddly I think Joes would have to rebound in popularity bigtime first...
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Posted 07 August 2012 - 10:08 AM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Aug 7 2012, 07:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I loved playsets in the day (I was one of those kids who had them all, even the Flagg) and still love them now.

Even the Dragon Fortress? icon-waspy.gif
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If Hasbro could capture the lightning in a bottle of the large Joe playsets I'd be all for it.

BUT I admit there are large factors against them, from rising prices to the much decreased popularity of G.I.Joe with kids in the first place. This makes me sad.

Yeah, and there's the added issue of Hasbro really overestimating ROC and expecting to sell a subpar playset at a big pricepoint.

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I wonder if this might not be a spot where 3rd Party companies could find a nitch. Collectors generally have the money

I sure as hell don't!

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and the love of the line to support more expensive endevors. It would be pricey, sure, but then look at our giant 3party $600+ Devastator...

I'd rather not.
But one thing I remember is the "modular" Eversparkle playset, and I've often said someone should cast repros of that. Modularity means possibilities, and being able to take it apart for easy storage:
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-ZacWilliam, Maybe the Joe toyline could at least manage what SW does and give us a couple playsetty vehicles. A new Defiant shuttle or Battle Platform, but, saddly I think Joes would have to rebound in popularity bigtime first...

That was sorta what they tried with the PIT though.
I think smaller, manageable playsets below the 40$ range are the way to go. Maybe include connector pieces to build full bases....

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 07 August 2012 - 11:12 AM

QUOTE(Detour @ Aug 7 2012, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think smaller, manageable playsets below the 40$ range are the way to go. Maybe include connector pieces to build full bases....


Back when the line was in full swing ca. 2003, I had the idea for what I called "arsenal packs".

Each pack would represent a playset or small vehicle from the 1980s; it would have two figures (plus any web gear that they might have), a 1990s weapons tree's worth of gear, a spring-loaded missile launcher, and a pair of backpacks.

For example, the Cobra Bunker could come with a Flamethrower Trooper and a Toxo-Viper. The Toxo-Viper would have all of his gear, the Flamethrower Trooper would use the flamethrower from the 1991 Incinerator, and there'd be a PSG-1 and the spring-loaded rocket launcher / gatling gun from the 1993 assortment floating around as extra firepower.

The Outpost Defender could have a pair of Greenshirts. In addition to their figure stands, helmets, and web gear, they could split the gear from Battle Corps Bazooka between them. I'd also throw in a pair of '83 Duke backpacks.

The Listening Post could have a Tele-Viper and a Crimson Guardsman. They'd split BC Mindbender's gear, plus the Tele-Viper would have a backpack and hose to go with the laser rifle.

Checkpoint Alpha could be manned by a pair of MPs who would have Colonel Courage's gear, plus the backpack from Dial-Tone.

The Ferret could have a Rocket Trooper and an Officer; they'd split BC Heat Viper's gear, and would have their regular backpacks, helmets, and knives.

Two more Greenshirts could be patrolling in an Armadillo; they'd split BC Leatherneck's gear on top of everything.

Et cetra.

I figure that if Hasbro were to throw in a play mat of some sort, they could easily get away with a $25 - $30 MSRP.

And since all the structures would be staffed by force-builders, you know that the hardcore guys would buy them all right up.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:10 PM

Generalsjoes did a review of the 2012 Con set.
http://www.generalsj...ard_page_1.html

I completely missed the reveal of the black Cobra Trooper as the paradrop exclusive. Kinda wish they'd included the cool webgear in black with it (hopefully Hasbro will reuse it on future, not bright blue figures), and used this opportunity to offer it with full leg articulation... but it's still neat to see the Trooper in more tasteful colors.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:47 PM

Damn. First I was just bumming because I didn't get Voltar. Now I'm bumming about the extras too. (Although a half-ass Sergeant Major custom seems within my ability)

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 09:04 AM

That Iron Grenadier head that looks so good on the big badass giant gun Destro redeco one looks really goofy on those other bodies.

...Man I want Voltar. Entirely because he's in Third Street Saints colors. icon-fire.gif

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 09:23 AM


October Guard - Boring and couldn't care less... except to say that the guy in grey,when you remove his hat, looks like he could make a spectacular custom Hitler for any of your Capt. America figures to punch.

Iron Grenadeers - Wow these hurt because I REALLY WANT them but am never gonna spend that much on Joes. Voltar is particularly great but they're all really cool. Except Darklon there. He looks aweful. But the rest of the set is Gold. Wish they were retail.


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Posted 09 August 2012 - 09:26 AM

I think they're both awesome. Horror show alone gets me excited, but the whole thing rules.

Love them.
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Posted 09 August 2012 - 09:42 AM

Yeah I'm not really into the line any more but I'd love to own those guys. Particularly the Oktober Guard and Voltar.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 09:49 AM

I just voted in Hiss tank's march madness type poll and does it bother anybody else that things like the Heat Viper and Khaos Crew Dreadnok are losing to Lady Jaye and Hit & Run?

I mean, really?
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Posted 09 August 2012 - 09:51 AM

Hit & Run, yes. Lady Jaye, no.

While I would prefer a Renegades Lady Jaye, that concept figure is everything I want in an ARAH Lady Jaye. So... Yeah... Gimme!

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 09:56 AM

Oh, I messed up. I meant to say Laser Viper is losing to hit and run, while HEAT viper is being ravaged by Kwinn, which is a little more understandable.

I just want more Cobra's, and I love the idea of a modern generation of Dreadnoks. Plus, crazed jasonesque killer.
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#1333 Detour

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 12:26 PM

Laser Viper keeps losing at the polls. WHY DOES LASER VIPER KEEP LOSING AT THE POLLS?
Laser Viper is awesome!

Also, ninjas. Gimme my ninjas, Hasbro.
I'd murder someone for those Legends of the Arashikage figures. Probably not. But still. NINJAS.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 09 August 2012 - 01:34 PM

QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Aug 9 2012, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just voted in Hiss tank's march madness type poll and does it bother anybody else that things like the Heat Viper and Khaos Crew Dreadnok are losing to Lady Jaye and Hit & Run?

I mean, really?

Because that site's largely populated by people that think everything after 1986 or something other than olive drab or black was terrible and should be forgotten.

QUOTE(Detour @ Aug 9 2012, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, ninjas. Gimme my ninjas, Hasbro.
I'd murder someone for those Legends of the Arashikage figures. Probably not. But still. NINJAS.

Indeed. Has that been canned or is it actually coming out?
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#1335 Detour

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 01:47 PM

Who knows. It was in the concept shelf but a ton of what's in that pack uses recent tooling (like... RETALIATION recent)...

I really want to see it come out. Contrary to the most vocal of fanboys I love ninjas in my Joes.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 08:44 PM

I'd love a wave dedicated to the sound attack repaints, anything for those Brown and Gold Vipers, but I'll buy anything of that Viper design. And I love that repaint from the concept case at Joecon.

More Ninja's are always welcome, especially Nightcreepers.


To be fair though, that Hit & Run is pretty great. Take into account the 7-pack H&R, which was saddled with the Hawk arms that you had to trim to get any decent poses from. I replaced the hands with a pair of Beachead's gloves and threw a Jungle Ripcord/Pit commando vest on him. I guess they really want every character redone with PoC/30th quality in mind.
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#1337 Detour

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 09:06 PM

QUOTE(Dr Syn @ Aug 9 2012, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
More Ninja's are always welcome, especially Nightcreepers.

I wish I could agree but this version is just ill-fitting. The original 25th Night Creeper was built on a 25th Anniversary Snake-Eyes chest, which if you'll compare to later torsos was ridiculously short (offset by the long legs). The chestplate is made to cover the pectorals and stomach, made to fit on that torso. Much like the Cyber-Viper before, using that torso on a longer torso just ends up making it look awkward, which is how it ends up on the Retaliation SE base of that new Night Creeper.

Also, I really don't like that head and the floppy removable head thingie.
I'd have preferred seeing the Ninja Force Night Creeper design instead. Or the Spy Troops one.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 09:34 AM

QUOTE(Detour @ Aug 9 2012, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Who knows. It was in the concept shelf but a ton of what's in that pack uses recent tooling (like... RETALIATION recent)...

I really want to see it come out. Contrary to the most vocal of fanboys I love ninjas in my Joes.


I like a smattering of ninjas, too. I do think they went overboard in the Ninja Force era. Not just that there were a lot of ninjas running around, but that it seemed like everybody got to be a ninja.
Scarlett hangs around Snake Eyes a lot? She's a ninja. Zartan has a cool hood? He's a ninja. Firefly has a face mask? You know who else wears a face mask? Ninjas.

That said, I do hope they make all of those ninja figures they showed and more. Forget standing them next to Duke and Roadblock; I just want a shelf full of awesome ninja figures.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 12:06 PM

QUOTE(rikdom @ Aug 10 2012, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I like a smattering of ninjas, too. I do think they went overboard in the Ninja Force era. Not just that there were a lot of ninjas running around, but that it seemed like everybody got to be a ninja.
Scarlett hangs around Snake Eyes a lot? She's a ninja. Zartan has a cool hood? He's a ninja. Firefly has a face mask? You know who else wears a face mask? Ninjas.

It was going to get worse with the Ninja Commandos. Guys like Flint and Road Pig were going to be ninjas.

(oh hey, Knock-out! Interesting...)

I like the idea of Cobra having a few teams of ninja running around doing some dirty work, and the Joes having a small highly-trained squad dedicated to taking them on goes right along with that. However, the Joe mythos is LOUSY with ninja mercenaries and soldiers at this point... just for starters there's Red Ninja, Night Creepers, Red Fangs, Black Dragons, and Cobra's own Ninja-Vipers. That's a lot of different ninja groups running around, and I bet I forgot a few.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 01:11 PM

Road Pig?!

I'd never seen those guys before. That Storm Shadow looks like some kind of Luchadore jobber.



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