That's what I don't get. Hasbro said to make him closer to the original would confuse him with Law and I don't quite see how. The blue-gray pants would be the only similarity. Surefire could still have the brown vest (though I think the Cobra SWAT/Steel Brigade vest would've been a better choice) and he needed a green shirt with LONG sleeves. He would've been plenty different from Law. Further more, why would Hasbro care that a tiny run, specialty figure looked like their main retail fig? It's not like people are going to say, "hmmm... I was going to by Law and Order at retail, but that expensive, subscription only Club figure looks the same so I'll buy him instead."
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Posted 13 November 2011 - 04:21 PM
Dake, I don't profess to have any insight into this situation, but I imagine it was probably the reverse: if a fan-oriented collector's figure is too similar to a retail figure, people are going to complain, because they'd be paying more for something 3/4ths similar to what they can already buy at retail. It would be the equivalent of BotCon doing - I don't know, a G2 Jazz from RtS Jazz. A ~$60 figure in the same colors but with some slightly different detailing as a toy you can buy for $10? There would be endless grousing.
Edited by Monzo, 13 November 2011 - 04:24 PM.
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Posted 13 November 2011 - 04:24 PM
QUOTE(Monzo @ Nov 13 2011, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dake, I don't profess to have any insight into this situation, but I imagine it was probably the reverse: if a fan-oriented collector's figure is too similar to a retail figure, people are going to complain, because they'd be paying more for something 3/4ths similar to what they can already buy at retail. It would be the equivalent of BotCon doing - I don't know, a G2 Jazz from RtS Jazz. A ~$60 figure in the same colors but with some slightly different detailing as a toy you can buy for $10? There would be endless grousing.
But...I'd want that.
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Posted 13 November 2011 - 04:28 PM
Maybe a better example is something that already exists, BotCon 2005 Deathsaurus. Not different enough from the toy you could get on eBay for $20, so demand wasn't particularly high.
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Posted 13 November 2011 - 04:38 PM
Thinking about that mold used as a Botcon toy only gets me jonezing for it to be used as BW Megs one day. Oh dreams.
I do see Hasbro's logic here though. They're not ALWAYS out to "get us."
I do see Hasbro's logic here though. They're not ALWAYS out to "get us."
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Posted 13 November 2011 - 05:03 PM
QUOTE(Monzo @ Nov 13 2011, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dake, I don't profess to have any insight into this situation, but I imagine it was probably the reverse: if a fan-oriented collector's figure is too similar to a retail figure, people are going to complain, because they'd be paying more for something 3/4ths similar to what they can already buy at retail. It would be the equivalent of BotCon doing - I don't know, a G2 Jazz from RtS Jazz. A ~$60 figure in the same colors but with some slightly different detailing as a toy you can buy for $10? There would be endless grousing.
I see what you're saying but I guess in this instance it could've still been plenty different. The brown vest vs Law's gray plus long sleeves would make quite a difference - he'd really only be like 1/4 or maybe 1/3 similar
. Of course, we're going to gripe anyway as fans but still... what can ya do?
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Posted 13 November 2011 - 06:25 PM
QUOTE(NightViper @ Nov 13 2011, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
BTW, this is how Sure Fire looks in the Club fiction:
Heh, that panel is like a tamer version of Rob Liefeld's infamous Captain America pinup, looking at the angle the chest is drawn in vs. his head, arms and lower body.
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Probably not, but I'm okay with it. I'm always up to hearing about Joe fiction and considering how non-existant discussion is elsewhere I'm totally up to hearing more about it.
All in all, though, putting aside the character itself and the person behind him, I always liked the v2 colors better.
But IMO the Law parts just don't lend themselves well to that color scheme. Dake's idea about using the Shock Trooper vest and some long sleeves would've worked.
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I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.
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Posted 13 November 2011 - 07:42 PM
I haven't read any of the most recent stuff but I really enjoyed the Big Lob stint last year (or was it the year before) and the last convention comic. All were very good and quite enjoyable.
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Posted 14 November 2011 - 03:49 AM
Maybe next round of 12, they can do Agent Faces.
"Some people collect other characters like Jazz or Hot Shot and its encouraged, but I stockpile Cybertron Crosswises and that makes ME the strange one."
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Posted 14 November 2011 - 05:11 PM
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Maybe next round of 12, they can do Agent Faces.
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Posted 15 November 2011 - 01:25 AM
I just got the November issue of the Joe Mag, and after realizing that I wasn't the only person feeling there's a lack of discussion about the Joe Club fiction, I decided it was high time to do something about it! Given that 7 of the 16 pages are comics (and because I wanted to give it an ongoing thread all to itself), I put it in the comics forum.
Go here to talk about it, or just find out what's in it!
Go here to talk about it, or just find out what's in it!
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Not for me. That face sculpt really doesn't look right.
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Posted 15 November 2011 - 03:06 PM
My brother has Sparta, so she has the jacket that Sparta lacks, lighter hair, lighter outfit and a white shirt instead of green IIRC?
Looks nice, and it looks like they tried to combine the red hair with the blond hair for the strawberry blonde look.
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Looks nice, and it looks like they tried to combine the red hair with the blond hair for the strawberry blonde look.
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Posted 15 November 2011 - 03:09 PM
QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Nov 15 2011, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My brother has Sparta, so she has the jacket that Sparta lacks, lighter hair, lighter outfit and a white shirt instead of green IIRC?
Looks nice, and it looks like they tried to combine the red hair with the blond hair for the strawberry blonde look.
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Looks nice, and it looks like they tried to combine the red hair with the blond hair for the strawberry blonde look.
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Sparta has a green belt and boots as well. Cover Girl's gone with brown instead.
CG also has the extra belt with the pouch.
Edited by NightViper, 15 November 2011 - 03:13 PM.
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Posted 15 November 2011 - 03:20 PM
Covergirl is not bad, but I really hate the "skinny leg" uniform pants they gave all the RoC females. I'm thinking of swapping this head onto my Covergirl and then putting a different head on this one with new lower legs to make an ARAH accurate short-hair CG. Also, that head looks really familiar - I swear I've seen customs using it, is it from a Marvel female?
Edited by Dake, 15 November 2011 - 03:21 PM.
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Posted 15 November 2011 - 03:26 PM
QUOTE(Dake @ Nov 15 2011, 03:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, that head looks really familiar - I swear I've seen customs using it, is it from a Marvel female?
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It's definitely the same hair at least.
Edited by NightViper, 15 November 2011 - 03:27 PM.
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Posted 15 November 2011 - 04:44 PM
QUOTE(NightViper @ Nov 15 2011, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's definitely the same hair at least.
I think, like Barrel Roll and jinx, the Club is taking new sculpt heads and reworking them to make them capatible with 25th/ME construction. I would be VERY surprised if the club did any major changes to the Sparta tooling itself.
I do like they made the effort to make Cover Girl a bit more unique than "the other redhead"
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