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@  Patch : (21 September 2019 - 03:02 PM)

Really? Worst alt-mode ever.

@  Maximus Ambus : (21 September 2019 - 02:09 PM)

To ashes we transform.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 September 2019 - 09:14 AM)

They aren't all cranky... sure, it's hard to find one in a good mood, but still.

@  unluckiness : (21 September 2019 - 09:12 AM)

Cranky geese is a hell of a tautology

@  wonko the sane? : (21 September 2019 - 09:07 AM)

... that's like the third flock of geese this morning. Do those cranky bitches know something I should know?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 September 2019 - 06:26 AM)

Isn't there a thread for that?

@  Nevermore : (21 September 2019 - 05:41 AM)

I took a few hours off from work so I could attend. Actually met two coworkers there.

@  Nevermore : (21 September 2019 - 05:41 AM)

Anyone else here who participated in a climate change rally yesterday?

@  Nevermore : (20 September 2019 - 06:46 PM)

In case anyone's wondering.

@  Nevermore : (20 September 2019 - 06:46 PM)

Also, she pronounces her own name "Zuh-see".

@  TM2-Megatron : (20 September 2019 - 03:04 PM)

I think I'd read a while back she was born in Berlin

@  TM2-Megatron : (20 September 2019 - 03:04 PM)

I thought Zazie Beetz was really fantastic in Deadpool 2. Really looking forward to seeing her in Joker.

@  Liege : (20 September 2019 - 12:05 PM)

Any sightings of Ratchet at U.S. Walgreens yet? A couple of stores around me have recently restocked their toy aisles but no Ratchets yet at those ones.

@  Nevermore : (20 September 2019 - 03:54 AM)

You don't even hear a hint of an accent, and she only very rarely chooses some odd wording where she probably wasn't familiar with the more appropriate alternative due to its relative obscurity.

@  Nevermore : (20 September 2019 - 03:41 AM)

Just watched what's possibly the most relaxed interview ever of a German Youtuber interviewing Zazie while walking around Berlin. Turns out she was born in Berlin and spent quite some time in Germany.

@  Nevermore : (20 September 2019 - 03:39 AM)

Actors and actresses I had no idea speak fluent German, part 4.231: Zazie Beetz from Deadpool 2.

@  Benbot : (18 September 2019 - 02:14 PM)

It's too bad it's like this because some of what they're doing with tiny cars is pretty cool, but I'm not willing to sign up for that f-ing hassle.

@  Benbot : (18 September 2019 - 02:13 PM)

At this point I'm trying to decide how much of a markup I'm willing to pay some scalper scum or if I should just say to hell with it.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (18 September 2019 - 02:11 PM)

That is pretty much the constant story with Hot Wheels. Anything you might actually want has most likely been picked clean and marked up.

@  Benbot : (18 September 2019 - 02:02 PM)

I've been watching some Youtube Hot Wheels videos out of boredom and discovered there exists a new car that just came out maybe a month ago that looks just like one I had when I was little, and I've been looking around hoping to get it. Slim picking everywhere, but online there are a slew of sellers asking for 3 and 4x the retail price, plus a hefty shipping markup.

@  Benbot : (18 September 2019 - 01:59 PM)

Oh, that explains the problem I've encountered with finding one little car

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 September 2019 - 01:31 PM)

Oh boy. I work at Target, and literally every single morning, there are two or three guys outside who make a beeline straight to the Hot Wheels.

@  Steevy Maximus : (18 September 2019 - 01:00 PM)

Hot Wheels

@  Benbot : (18 September 2019 - 12:25 PM)

Which collecting community has the worst scalpers?

@  TM2-Megatron : (17 September 2019 - 09:55 PM)

I've never read the source material and don't know much about it, but I enjoyed the first film quite a bit, and found the second alright

@  Sabrblade : (17 September 2019 - 09:49 PM)

The first movie was definitely not for me. I flat out hated it. Didn't even bother with the sequel.

@  Maruten : (17 September 2019 - 05:02 PM)

I liked the first movie a lot and enjoyed the original volume of the book, and the way they were developed in parallel was really interesting. It all got super extra unpleasant as soon as they went back though. I don't remember really whether the initial sequels are "good" or not, but either way both the second movie and the second run of the book quickly demonstrated that the property sure wasn't for me.

@  Paladin : (17 September 2019 - 04:45 PM)

i have a real hard time offering praise of anything connected to an utter shitstain like Mark Millar.

@  Rycochet : (17 September 2019 - 01:23 PM)

Kick Ass 2 was okay for what it was, a sequel to a film that was okay, just okay. It had a good performance from Nic Cage while the sequel had Jim Carrey who decided he didn't want to promote it after one of america's regularly scheduled massacres.

@  Benbot : (17 September 2019 - 12:20 PM)

Was Kick Ass 2 really that bad? I never got around to seeing it, but after watching the first movie again the other day, I'm thinking about it.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 September 2019 - 01:54 PM)

Why do you feel a need to label yourself for doing something harmless?

@  Telly : (13 September 2019 - 11:10 AM)

thats more than i look at on reddit

@  Benbot : (13 September 2019 - 10:49 AM)

am I a basic bitch for only browsing the front page of Reddit?

@  Shrug : (12 September 2019 - 12:26 PM)

I managed to find about 2/3s of my goal Sega Genesis collection before the last price bump

@  Anonymous X : (12 September 2019 - 11:11 AM)

So relieved that I picked up most of my NTSC GameCube collection in 2010/11 before prices on the secondary market went bezerk...

@  unluckiness : (12 September 2019 - 12:54 AM)

I have fond memories of it since it was the last console Mario Kart that didn't have the ridiculous pre-race cart assembly

@  TM2-Megatron : (11 September 2019 - 10:26 PM)

Like many Gamecube games, underrated

@  unluckiness : (11 September 2019 - 09:24 AM)

Double Dash is great. Just watch out for blue shells

@  Bass X0 : (11 September 2019 - 07:43 AM)

I used a double dash on my mobile. The chat didn’t like it.

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 September 2019 - 04:17 AM)

The mobile version of the site chokes on certain characters, I think.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 September 2019 - 04:10 AM)

what's with that punctuation anyway

@  Nevermore : (11 September 2019 - 03:20 AM)

Now where did that come from, Bass X0?

@  Bass X0 : (11 September 2019 - 01:52 AM)

Politics and Religion — tools of foul play!

@  TM2-Megatron : (10 September 2019 - 11:10 PM)

If you owe, you're expected to actually pay it at the time you file, before they even process your return

@  TM2-Megatron : (10 September 2019 - 11:10 PM)

If you file electronically, I find you usually get your refund within a couple weeks

@  Nevermore : (10 September 2019 - 06:22 PM)

Well, lucky it took less than two months for me. For a little over 200 Euros.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 September 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Pretty much, yeah. Canada revenue will be all up your ass if you earn less than 200K and owe tax, but your refund is basically "duke nukem forever".

@  Nevermore : (10 September 2019 - 05:34 PM)

Whereas if you overpaid and they have to refund you, they will take their sweet time to let you know.

@  Nevermore : (10 September 2019 - 05:34 PM)

Like, here in Germany, if the tax authority responds to your tax report quickly, you can rest assured they want more money.

@  Nevermore : (10 September 2019 - 05:33 PM)

Do tax authorities in other countries base their time to respond to filed tax reports on whether they owe or are owed as well?


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#3021 Spark

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:01 AM

I liked Sigma Six in concept, but not in execution. The show was bad and the toys were ugly.

Probably to the ire of half the Joe fans out there, I think G. I. Joe would benefit from moving away from the pseudo-realistic military theme for a while. Renegades touched on it, but chickened out with using the cartoon aesthetic or even giving it a full toyline.

Edited by Spark, 12 July 2013 - 08:02 AM.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:13 AM

QUOTE(Betty Nor @ Jul 12 2013, 06:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And what about Sigma 6? That was a pretty gross departure (toy-wise).

No, G.I. Joe just needs a way to capture the new generation. They need a TMNT-esque revolution.

EVERY time they've tried revising the formula-- Renegades, Resolute, S6-- it's failed. The brand exists in cycles, and, to me, seems to be most popular when the military is in the public's favor. GI Joe came out in 1964, which coincides with our early involvement in Vietnam (appropriately, it was rebranded as a series of non-military adventure series when the public realized how much of a muddle LBJ and Nixon had gotten us into-- this is delving into some P&R stuff, so I won't continue); in the 80s it was the cold war against the dastardly Soviets; in the 90s it was the Gulf War, but in the 2000s, it's been an unpopular war on two fronts that has seen the line slowly and steadily decline in popularity.

Of course, one could also say that the line turning into nothing but ninjas serves as a death rattle... *looks at 1993 and 2012 lines*

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:33 AM

Yeah, I'm not quite sure why the solution to waning sales always seems to be "more ninjas". Don't they know the Rule of Ninja Effectiveness? Heh.
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:37 AM

Sadly we never saw anything Sigma 6 related on the shelves here. While the large figures aren't my thing I liked the look of them and really wanted those Articulated animals that came later, the snake, tiger, Timber, Crocodile and Scorpion (if only there was a dedicated animal toy line for articulated animals).


If they went smaller like the Sigma 6 sub line then they'd need to do them like the Human Alliance human figures, not these half static figurines the Sigma 6 mission line had. In all of G.I. Joe it seems the one thing that they have in common, design wise was the ability to pose like no other action figure in the Western world.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:45 AM

Is that Cobra Commander the Dollar General one with the PoC head stuck on?
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:00 AM

Sigma 6 was really rather cool, though. I loved the aesthetic, liked the modular ports for storing gear, and the accessories were some of the best GI Joe has ever come with. It was a shame the cooler figures were in later waves that either didn't see wide release or were cancelled in general...

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:54 AM

QUOTE(Aberration @ Jul 12 2013, 02:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wouldn't Extreme be Joe's Beast Wars? I wonder if things would've gone differently for that iteration if it was the same characters and story, but with more traditional toys.


My thing with Extreme was the fact that Hasbro should have just simply said that the cast was re-imagined versions of the vintage Joes. Not only did just about everyone have a direct counterpart with the 1980s line, the animation studio even went so far as to crib at least one vintage PSA (it was the "glasses" one; they just substituted Lt. Stone for Ripcord).

Instead, I'm thinking that a lot of fans who were old enough to remember the 1980s line were simply too confused by what they saw to really know what to make of it.



Parallels:

Lt. Stone - Duke

Sgt. Savage - Grunt

Black Dragon - Snake-Eyes

Mayday - Scarlet

Ballistic / Eagle-Eye - Low-Light

Quickstrike - Alpine

(naval specialist) - Torpedo

Metal-Head - Rock & Roll

Tracker - Spirit

Freight - Roadblock

(bureaucrat who oversaw the team) - Trent

Iron Klaw - Cobra Commander

Rampage - Destro

Inferno - Dr. Mindbender

(big bruiser) - Road Pig

Skyrenes - B.A.T.S.

The assault helicopter could have been the Dragonfly, the Thundering Fury could have been the Mauler, the Road Bullet could have been the Silver Mirage, the Joe artillery platform could have been the FLAK, and the Klaw jet could have been the Night Raven.

The only things to *not* have direct counterparts are the Sandstorm vehicle (the tank / hovercraft get-up), the sniper that Klaw hires, and the Klaw artillery platform.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:03 PM

One year they should just totally go bananas experimenting with GI Joe.

Drop the military focus. Mention it, perhaps, as a NEST-like global anti-terrorist/whoever strike force. But make its applications almost entirely MASK-like: crazy sci-fi weapons, vehicles and such. Reasonably colorful, none of that all-black accelerator suit stuff. Have them fight the occasional terrorist cell, but open this up to more threats outside of that scope. Animated-style sci-fi-y powered villains. Maybe maintain a small subteam/subline that IS military-heavy. Sort of an inversion of the old formula. Hell, I don't even care if people say this "disrespects or drops everything that Joe stands for." If the property is to have any legs at all, it can't just keep leaning on "how cool is the US military, amirite?" ... and maybe a bit of growth and development from the fandom, which honestly seems like the greater uncertainty to me.

It occurs to me that this is pretty close to the overall feel of the VVV days, which has always seemed like much greater fun to me than "wow, look at how neat this vest/webgear/bloused combat fatigues look on this guy" being the driving force of the line. We've gotten a good couple of years of the latter, and more than enough molds to go into constructing the remaining remakes that people still really want.

Be fun to see the conniption fits that result from that much fun. Does anybody see any merit to this, though?

Edited by lastmaximal, 12 July 2013 - 12:04 PM.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:28 PM

lastmaximal, I think you've hit it on the head. That's pretty much exactly how I think Joe should be done, only more eloquently stated. It'll piss off those fans who think that Joe is and always was "Zero Dark Thirty", but I think they're somewhat disconnected from reality anyways.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:40 PM

QUOTE(lastmaximal @ Jul 12 2013, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Be fun to see the conniption fits that result from that much fun. Does anybody see any merit to this, though?


I had an idea a few years back for a revival in which the Joe force as a whole was broken down into different "special mission" teams, with each team being backed by greenshirts (or the equivalent). This would allow for the Joe franchise to cover a wide variety of possible threats and story types while still being "Joe", as each team would have a different purpose.

The "A" team would be a headquarters team and would represent the nucleus of the organization; rather than be tied to any one base, they would operate from the Mobile Command Center whenever possible and have a VAMP escort. This team would consist of Hawk, Steamroller (the MCC's driver), Roadblock (the MCC's chief gunner and an alternate field team leader), Lady J (chief of intelligence), Law & Order (MCC security), Mainframe, Dial-Tone, Lifeline, Doc, Psyche-Out, and Tripwire (MCC security). They would largely stay out of sight if at all possible.

The "B" team would be the "face" of the Joe organization, and would consist of Joes that, barring one or two loose screws, the media could actually report on without issue; they'd have Dragonflies for air support and a mix of light vehicles like RAMs, Armadillos, and Polar Battle Bears to help convey the notion of their being "special forces". I was thinking of having Stalker, Wild Bill, Airborne, Shockwave, Airtight, Mutt & Junkyard, Stretcher, Snow Job, Barbecue, Wet-Suit, and Leatherneck for this one. They would mostly focus on taking out the "everyday" terrorist groups and rebels.

The "C" team would be the "in your face" of the Joe organization; their mission would be to get in, obliterate Cobra (or whatever banana republic was in their path), and pull out before anybody was any wiser as to their presence or existence. They would have the heavy vehicles like the the MOBAT, Warthog AIFV, Skystriker, Wolverine, Bridgelayer, and WHALE. This team would be Duke, Steeler, Heavy Duty, Muskrat, Ace, Tollbooth, Cutter, Ripcord, Hit & Run, Cover Girl, and Grunt.

The "D" team would be straight-up commandos who would use Tomahawks for air support and light ground vehicles (like the Radar Rat and Tri-Blaster) once out on their missions. They'd be the ones to do the "sneaky" stuff, either by themselves or in support of one of the other teams. For this one, we'd be looking at Lift-Ticket, Snake-Eyes, Scarlet, Low-Light, Spirit, Torpedo, Rampart, Bullhorn, Lightfoot, Quick-Kick, and Gung-Ho.

The "E", or "Expendable" team, would be Tiger Force. The idea behind Tiger Force is that their odd colors, their use of both NATO & Cobra hardware simultaneously, and their irregular tactics would be a front to make people think that they were a private mercenary force rather than a team of Joes. They would be the ones to go in and handle missions that, for various reasons, the other Joe teams could not do (such as the mission being too dangerous or too politically sensitive). The roster would be Skystriker, Flint, Frostbite, Alpine, Bazooka, Shipwreck, Dusty, Tunnel Rat, Wreckage, Recondo, and Outback.

The "F" team would be Battle Force 3000; they'd be a re-badged BF2K with additional members. The official story would be that they're an experimental weapons team, but in reality their mission is to deal with "science fiction"-type threats that more conventional outfits aren't prepared to take on. For them, the roster would be Dodger, Sci-Fi, Avalanche, Blocker, Breaker, Blaster, Sneak-Peek, Maverick, Crazylegs, Knockdown, and Dee-Jay.

Other Joes would appear as needed, the explanation being that they were hidden within the regular service and activated / inactivated as needed for each particular mission.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:43 PM

As of today, I have $10 in gift cards to the local Target, which would get me one Movie figure or one figure / bike combo (given that the local Target has dropped the prices on them).


If you could get one figure or figure / bike combo, who would it be? This will likely be the only time for the next little while that I can snag anything Joe, and so I'd like to get the most bang for my buck.


Thanks.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:08 PM

QUOTE(Fortress Ironhold @ Jul 12 2013, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Aberration @ Jul 12 2013, 02:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wouldn't Extreme be Joe's Beast Wars? I wonder if things would've gone differently for that iteration if it was the same characters and story, but with more traditional toys.


My thing with Extreme was the fact that Hasbro should have just simply said that the cast was re-imagined versions of the vintage Joes. Not only did just about everyone have a direct counterpart with the 1980s line, the animation studio even went so far as to crib at least one vintage PSA (it was the "glasses" one; they just substituted Lt. Stone for Ripcord).

Instead, I'm thinking that a lot of fans who were old enough to remember the 1980s line were simply too confused by what they saw to really know what to make of it.

Hasbro (or Kenner, rather, at the time) didn't have to say anything. I doubt character confusion had anything to do with bad sales. That came from them being simply awful toys created in a misaimed attempt to compete with the rising Spawn figure market (hell, that's probably why Iron Klaw looks as XTREEEEME as he does).

QUOTE(lastmaximal @ Jul 12 2013, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One year they should just totally go bananas experimenting with GI Joe.

Drop the military focus. Mention it, perhaps, as a NEST-like global anti-terrorist/whoever strike force. But make its applications almost entirely MASK-like: crazy sci-fi weapons, vehicles and such. Reasonably colorful, none of that all-black accelerator suit stuff. Have them fight the occasional terrorist cell, but open this up to more threats outside of that scope. Animated-style sci-fi-y powered villains. Maybe maintain a small subteam/subline that IS military-heavy. Sort of an inversion of the old formula. Hell, I don't even care if people say this "disrespects or drops everything that Joe stands for." If the property is to have any legs at all, it can't just keep leaning on "how cool is the US military, amirite?" ... and maybe a bit of growth and development from the fandom, which honestly seems like the greater uncertainty to me.

It occurs to me that this is pretty close to the overall feel of the VVV days, which has always seemed like much greater fun to me than "wow, look at how neat this vest/webgear/bloused combat fatigues look on this guy" being the driving force of the line. We've gotten a good couple of years of the latter, and more than enough molds to go into constructing the remaining remakes that people still really want.

Be fun to see the conniption fits that result from that much fun. Does anybody see any merit to this, though?

I'd enjoy it as long as the articulation stays. Even better if it leads to a slow build somehow, like all these random techno threats being geared up by Cobra or SKAR. Hell, Cobra could be aliens for all I care, as long as they're entertaining. I've always had faaaar less complaints about Cobra stuff than Joes because Cobra is already pretty fantastical.

In truth, the last Joe comic I was excited about was basically this concept. Unfortunately, it was written by Andy Schmidt and not particularly well drawn aside from the covers, so I should have known better than to care. Basically, take the Future Noir idea, but throw out everything else because it was awful.


QUOTE(Fortress Ironhold @ Jul 12 2013, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As of today, I have $10 in gift cards to the local Target, which would get me one Movie figure or one figure / bike combo (given that the local Target has dropped the prices on them).


If you could get one figure or figure / bike combo, who would it be? This will likely be the only time for the next little while that I can snag anything Joe, and so I'd like to get the most bang for my buck.


Thanks.

Neither. The bikes suck. Go get a Ninja Duel Snake Eyes or something. Or just save it for when you really want something.

Edited by Spark, 12 July 2013 - 01:35 PM.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:22 PM

QUOTE(Spark @ Jul 12 2013, 09:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I liked Sigma Six in concept, but not in execution. The show was bad and the toys were ugly.

Probably to the ire of half the Joe fans out there, I think G. I. Joe would benefit from moving away from the pseudo-realistic military theme for a while. Renegades touched on it, but chickened out with using the cartoon aesthetic or even giving it a full toyline.

I liked the toys.... it's just that they were too big and expensive to amass the way one amasses smaller, cheaper figures. And at that scale, not much you could do for vehicles.
Didn't care much for the cartoon either.

QUOTE(Dr Syn @ Jul 12 2013, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Time for some fun.

Hah! I did the same thing with my Wave 1 DG Cobra Commander, but with the black Resolute Cobra Commander providing the head!

QUOTE(Fortress Ironhold @ Jul 12 2013, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My thing with Extreme was the fact that Hasbro should have just simply said that the cast was re-imagined versions of the vintage Joes. Not only did just about everyone have a direct counterpart with the 1980s line, the animation studio even went so far as to crib at least one vintage PSA (it was the "glasses" one; they just substituted Lt. Stone for Ripcord).

Instead, I'm thinking that a lot of fans who were old enough to remember the 1980s line were simply too confused by what they saw to really know what to make of it.

Yeah. Totally unlike Beast Wars with its Optimus Prime analog, its Megatron analog, its Bumblebee/Hot Rod analog, its Wheeljack analog, its Starscream analog and so forth.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:57 PM

QUOTE(lastmaximal @ Jul 12 2013, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One year they should just totally go bananas experimenting with GI Joe.

Drop the military focus. Mention it, perhaps, as a NEST-like global anti-terrorist/whoever strike force. But make its applications almost entirely MASK-like: crazy sci-fi weapons, vehicles and such. Reasonably colorful, none of that all-black accelerator suit stuff. Have them fight the occasional terrorist cell, but open this up to more threats outside of that scope. Animated-style sci-fi-y powered villains. Maybe maintain a small subteam/subline that IS military-heavy. Sort of an inversion of the old formula. Hell, I don't even care if people say this "disrespects or drops everything that Joe stands for." If the property is to have any legs at all, it can't just keep leaning on "how cool is the US military, amirite?" ... and maybe a bit of growth and development from the fandom, which honestly seems like the greater uncertainty to me.

It occurs to me that this is pretty close to the overall feel of the VVV days, which has always seemed like much greater fun to me than "wow, look at how neat this vest/webgear/bloused combat fatigues look on this guy" being the driving force of the line. We've gotten a good couple of years of the latter, and more than enough molds to go into constructing the remaining remakes that people still really want.

Be fun to see the conniption fits that result from that much fun. Does anybody see any merit to this, though?
I'm in. I've always had more fondness for GI Joe when it relies on the fantastical rather than the straight military. I love it when the Joes have to react and adapt to Cobra's outrageous genetic and robotic threats. I could be VERY happy following the adventures of the Joes running around taking on Mega-Monsters, V-Troops, Cobra-La (reimagined as a genetic experiment rather than a pre-human civilization), and the occasional platoon of BATS led by the crazed cyborgs Overkill and General Blitz. Throw in a few ninjas just for the giggles... The whole point is that they shouldn't be shying away from the crazy, they should embrace it!
QUOTE(Aberration @ Jul 12 2013, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
lastmaximal, I think you've hit it on the head. That's pretty much exactly how I think Joe should be done, only more eloquently stated. It'll piss off those fans who think that Joe is and always was "Zero Dark Thirty", but I think they're somewhat disconnected from reality anyways.
Yeah, it's a lost cause. The people who champion straight military realism in GI Joe always point to the first few years of ARAH as the gold standard. Point out that right from the start we had a Laser Trooper MOS and an artillery laser, and they just roll their eyes and tell you that you don't get it.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:12 PM

I think the primary thing Hasbro needs in order to refresh the Joe brand is to support it like they've supported Prime. Full toyline support even at the detriment of the grumpy collector-friendly stuff, heavy promotion, lots of investment and faith in the tie-in cartoon... you know, the stuff Hasbro gave to Prime.

lastmaximal's idea is fantastic but Hasbro needs to be fully invested in it, regardless of the risks.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


#3036 Spark

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:45 PM

It definitely needs a full toyline and related cartoon going at the same time. Get it running concurrently somewhere beyond The Hub, even better.
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#3037 the last prince

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:58 PM

Is the space race still going on or am I a few decades late? I would love to see the joes take the war with cobra back in space. Just a whole space theme but still pseudo realistic and colonize the moon or something. Great way to get some kind of defiant rerelease out there. Joes In Space! And space ninjas! Gives MARS a new meaning!

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:05 PM

Well, there was Star Brigade... although by the end it was segueing into some weird Aliens/Starship Troopers hybrid.


Personally, I'm not into having aliens in GI Joe. I can handle all sorts of genetic and robotic shenanigans, alternate universes, ninja magic, and so on, but at the core I feel ARAH is about the best soldiers humanity has to offer battling against... well, humanity gone wrong. Once you introduce aliens it's just a matter of time before both sides are recruiting them, making alliances, yadda yadda and somewhere in there it stops being about the "super" soldiers and starts being Flash Gordon. Don't get me wrong, I like Flash Gordon, but I'm of the mind that GI Joe is not and should not be comparable to it.


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#3039 Detour

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:11 PM

Yeah, I'm not too big on space battles either.

I'm accepting of drug dealers, genetically-created monstrosities, killer plants, nanomites, ninjas, killer robots and cyborgs, adventuring and yetis, etc.

But no. No aliens. No space combat. That way lies Star Wars. Or the climactic battle of Moonraker. Either way, not what I want out of Joe.


EDIT: Also, we need more Joe firefighters. Just Barbecue alone isn't enough. We need a few more Joe firefighters and a firefighting vehicle. Kids love firefighters.

Edited by Detour, 12 July 2013 - 06:17 PM.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


#3040 the last prince

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:28 PM

Well I wasn't thinking aliens in my bit there, just take the battle out into space, the moon and mars and such. Keep it localized. It's just different than what we have had in the past 2 decades. Not much else has really worked...

Edited by the last prince, 12 July 2013 - 06:28 PM.




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