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@  TheMightyMol... : (15 November 2019 - 06:54 AM)

Nah, he just has to keep up his plot insurance payments so he can shoot his way out of the Sarlacc again.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 November 2019 - 02:59 AM)

Funny, but everyone knows he bounty hunts for Jabba Hutt to finance his 'Vette.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 November 2019 - 02:54 AM)

Okay.. Not sure why.. but streaming is harder than jsut playing the game.. even though that's pretty much what I was doing.

@  Xellos : (14 November 2019 - 06:47 PM)

What type of vehicle does Boba Fett use for time travel? A Man-DeLorean.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 03:55 PM)

Admittedly, it's been a long time since I've been to a walk-in clinic, as I tend not to get sick (and the one time I do every 4-5 years, I prefer just riding it out at home), but the last time I went I'm pretty sure you could just show up, no appointment. It may be different in Quebec,though

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:36 PM)

One thing to note about health insurance in Germany is that we have a two-class system: mandatory health insurance is basically the economy class, while private health insurance is the business class.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:32 PM)

My local doctor is actually a shared office with several doctors where you will get randomly assigned to one of the doctors available that day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:30 PM)

Also, employers are required by law to cover part of their employees' health insurance fees, so I only have to pay my part.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:28 PM)

Basic examinations and sick notes (known as "work-inability certificates" in Germany) for the employer are covered by our health insurances by default.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 November 2019 - 12:02 PM)

Around here, we can go to a walk-in clinic whenever, but might have to wait in the queue until there's a doctor available, which can take hours on a busy day. And then hope our insurance will cover anything.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 November 2019 - 07:38 AM)

There actually are a good number of clinics around here: but the walk ins require an appointment (what?) and are only done once a week. IF you can get an appointment, you see a doctor usually within 40 minutes, but good luck getting the appointment.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

Depending on the day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

We have family doctors (called "house doctors") with regular office hours where you may need an hour or two of waiting time.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 12:50 AM)

Two weeks? That seems a little long; are there not a lot of walk-in clinics around you?

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 07:01 PM)

Does germany make it quick and easy to see a doctor too? Cause an emergency doctor visit can take two weeks out here, and an emergency ROOM visit can take 18-24 hours.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:43 PM)

(Good thing is, under German law, if you call in sick during your vacation and see a doctor immediately, you get to keep your vacation days.)

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:42 PM)

Too bad. My plans wee to do two more overtime hours before having my last day of vacation for the year on Friday. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:41 PM)

So I'm currently on medical leave for a particularly stupid reason: Burned my back with a hot-water bag while sleeping last night. Though the doctor said I'm hardly the first person to have this happen to them.

@  Patch : (13 November 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Just a particularly odious example of the 90s era of depicting transgender women as either the subject of crude humor, or "Jerry Springer" material.

@  Ashley : (13 November 2019 - 04:55 PM)

I think Ace Ventura legit contributed to me spending years in self denial. I will never be ok with Jim Carrey.

@  Benbot : (13 November 2019 - 01:22 PM)

I thought he since changed his tune.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (13 November 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Jim Carry Paladin?

@  Maximus Ambus : (13 November 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Don't doubt what he can do. Sonic the Hedgehog!

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 11:51 AM)

not giving a dime to a transphobic antivaxxer.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 11:25 AM)

It'll be a terrible movie if jim carrey phones it in. Otherwise it should be decent.

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 10:45 AM)

sonics' still gonna be a terrible movie but at least they whined loud enough to make him look passable for a 2-minute trailer. "yay."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:37 AM)

But of course to annoying people there's no such thing as different decisions made for different reasons, there is only "I like it so it's right" and "I don't like it so it's wrong."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:35 AM)

Even if we pretend it's objective truth that they were both bad, then they were bad in very different ways.

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:33 AM)

Sonic's previous movie design looked genuinely bad. The Transformers '07 designs just looked insufficiently like what certain loud and obnoxious parts of the fandom think Transformers are required to always look like.

@  Otaku : (13 November 2019 - 08:50 AM)

Um... Purple Monkey Dishwasher?

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 November 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Do we really need to have Every Movie Transformer Thread Ever in the Squawkbox?

@  Bass X0 : (13 November 2019 - 08:13 AM)

Sure it made money but that doesn’t mean it has appealing character designs. Lot of god awful fugly faces in the Transformers movies.

@  Otaku : (12 November 2019 - 08:25 PM)

@Liege My issue with Transformers (2007) were elements I thought were unnecessary.  I know it was supposed to just be a joke, but I didn't ever need to hear about "Sam's Happy Time". >.> Which, being in awe of the first "live action" TF-film, didn't even register until I'd already purchased and watched it on DVD a few times (after seeing it in theaters 3 times).

@  Liege : (12 November 2019 - 08:22 PM)

For all the Bayisms in the 07 movie, it was tempered by Spielberg as producer. Designs aside it was an enjoyable popcorn blockbuster about a boy and his first car who happens to be an alien from another planet. They sequels are just Bay going unchecked after he proved how much bank he could bring in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 November 2019 - 07:12 PM)

I didn't find the designs in the '07 movie to be that bad, personally. What got really offputting was how Cybertronians in general become such huge a-holes in the later films; the designs were very much secondary to their horrible personalities

@  Sabrblade : (12 November 2019 - 06:59 PM)

And yet, Transformers still broke the bank at the box office, opened up the brand to a whole new generation of fans, shot the brand up to mainstream appeal, and enabled all kinds of new collector-oriented lines and other avenues to come about. Not saying Sonic's movie will do the same for his series, but the 2007 TF movie certainly did more good than harm.

@  Bass X0 : (12 November 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Paramount changed Sonic due to fan backlash but refused to redo Transformers 2007 with new cgi appearances based on their classic forms everyone’s knows and loves, and can relate to. Trailer 1 Sonic is as appealing a design as 2007 Bumblebee...

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

I don't. They're a pain in the ass to repair.

@  Benbot : (12 November 2019 - 12:48 PM)

I wish car companies would bring back flip up headlights

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 09:07 AM)

Wear a hazmat suit. It's Walmart, they're used to weird.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 November 2019 - 07:54 AM)

2 inches of snow on the side of the house, 2 feet of snow on the deck. I hate this winter already.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".


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#3021 Spark

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:01 AM

I liked Sigma Six in concept, but not in execution. The show was bad and the toys were ugly.

Probably to the ire of half the Joe fans out there, I think G. I. Joe would benefit from moving away from the pseudo-realistic military theme for a while. Renegades touched on it, but chickened out with using the cartoon aesthetic or even giving it a full toyline.

Edited by Spark, 12 July 2013 - 08:02 AM.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:13 AM

QUOTE(Betty Nor @ Jul 12 2013, 06:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And what about Sigma 6? That was a pretty gross departure (toy-wise).

No, G.I. Joe just needs a way to capture the new generation. They need a TMNT-esque revolution.

EVERY time they've tried revising the formula-- Renegades, Resolute, S6-- it's failed. The brand exists in cycles, and, to me, seems to be most popular when the military is in the public's favor. GI Joe came out in 1964, which coincides with our early involvement in Vietnam (appropriately, it was rebranded as a series of non-military adventure series when the public realized how much of a muddle LBJ and Nixon had gotten us into-- this is delving into some P&R stuff, so I won't continue); in the 80s it was the cold war against the dastardly Soviets; in the 90s it was the Gulf War, but in the 2000s, it's been an unpopular war on two fronts that has seen the line slowly and steadily decline in popularity.

Of course, one could also say that the line turning into nothing but ninjas serves as a death rattle... *looks at 1993 and 2012 lines*

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:33 AM

Yeah, I'm not quite sure why the solution to waning sales always seems to be "more ninjas". Don't they know the Rule of Ninja Effectiveness? Heh.
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:37 AM

Sadly we never saw anything Sigma 6 related on the shelves here. While the large figures aren't my thing I liked the look of them and really wanted those Articulated animals that came later, the snake, tiger, Timber, Crocodile and Scorpion (if only there was a dedicated animal toy line for articulated animals).


If they went smaller like the Sigma 6 sub line then they'd need to do them like the Human Alliance human figures, not these half static figurines the Sigma 6 mission line had. In all of G.I. Joe it seems the one thing that they have in common, design wise was the ability to pose like no other action figure in the Western world.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:45 AM

Is that Cobra Commander the Dollar General one with the PoC head stuck on?
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:00 AM

Sigma 6 was really rather cool, though. I loved the aesthetic, liked the modular ports for storing gear, and the accessories were some of the best GI Joe has ever come with. It was a shame the cooler figures were in later waves that either didn't see wide release or were cancelled in general...

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:54 AM

QUOTE(Aberration @ Jul 12 2013, 02:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wouldn't Extreme be Joe's Beast Wars? I wonder if things would've gone differently for that iteration if it was the same characters and story, but with more traditional toys.


My thing with Extreme was the fact that Hasbro should have just simply said that the cast was re-imagined versions of the vintage Joes. Not only did just about everyone have a direct counterpart with the 1980s line, the animation studio even went so far as to crib at least one vintage PSA (it was the "glasses" one; they just substituted Lt. Stone for Ripcord).

Instead, I'm thinking that a lot of fans who were old enough to remember the 1980s line were simply too confused by what they saw to really know what to make of it.



Parallels:

Lt. Stone - Duke

Sgt. Savage - Grunt

Black Dragon - Snake-Eyes

Mayday - Scarlet

Ballistic / Eagle-Eye - Low-Light

Quickstrike - Alpine

(naval specialist) - Torpedo

Metal-Head - Rock & Roll

Tracker - Spirit

Freight - Roadblock

(bureaucrat who oversaw the team) - Trent

Iron Klaw - Cobra Commander

Rampage - Destro

Inferno - Dr. Mindbender

(big bruiser) - Road Pig

Skyrenes - B.A.T.S.

The assault helicopter could have been the Dragonfly, the Thundering Fury could have been the Mauler, the Road Bullet could have been the Silver Mirage, the Joe artillery platform could have been the FLAK, and the Klaw jet could have been the Night Raven.

The only things to *not* have direct counterparts are the Sandstorm vehicle (the tank / hovercraft get-up), the sniper that Klaw hires, and the Klaw artillery platform.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:03 PM

One year they should just totally go bananas experimenting with GI Joe.

Drop the military focus. Mention it, perhaps, as a NEST-like global anti-terrorist/whoever strike force. But make its applications almost entirely MASK-like: crazy sci-fi weapons, vehicles and such. Reasonably colorful, none of that all-black accelerator suit stuff. Have them fight the occasional terrorist cell, but open this up to more threats outside of that scope. Animated-style sci-fi-y powered villains. Maybe maintain a small subteam/subline that IS military-heavy. Sort of an inversion of the old formula. Hell, I don't even care if people say this "disrespects or drops everything that Joe stands for." If the property is to have any legs at all, it can't just keep leaning on "how cool is the US military, amirite?" ... and maybe a bit of growth and development from the fandom, which honestly seems like the greater uncertainty to me.

It occurs to me that this is pretty close to the overall feel of the VVV days, which has always seemed like much greater fun to me than "wow, look at how neat this vest/webgear/bloused combat fatigues look on this guy" being the driving force of the line. We've gotten a good couple of years of the latter, and more than enough molds to go into constructing the remaining remakes that people still really want.

Be fun to see the conniption fits that result from that much fun. Does anybody see any merit to this, though?

Edited by lastmaximal, 12 July 2013 - 12:04 PM.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:28 PM

lastmaximal, I think you've hit it on the head. That's pretty much exactly how I think Joe should be done, only more eloquently stated. It'll piss off those fans who think that Joe is and always was "Zero Dark Thirty", but I think they're somewhat disconnected from reality anyways.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:40 PM

QUOTE(lastmaximal @ Jul 12 2013, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Be fun to see the conniption fits that result from that much fun. Does anybody see any merit to this, though?


I had an idea a few years back for a revival in which the Joe force as a whole was broken down into different "special mission" teams, with each team being backed by greenshirts (or the equivalent). This would allow for the Joe franchise to cover a wide variety of possible threats and story types while still being "Joe", as each team would have a different purpose.

The "A" team would be a headquarters team and would represent the nucleus of the organization; rather than be tied to any one base, they would operate from the Mobile Command Center whenever possible and have a VAMP escort. This team would consist of Hawk, Steamroller (the MCC's driver), Roadblock (the MCC's chief gunner and an alternate field team leader), Lady J (chief of intelligence), Law & Order (MCC security), Mainframe, Dial-Tone, Lifeline, Doc, Psyche-Out, and Tripwire (MCC security). They would largely stay out of sight if at all possible.

The "B" team would be the "face" of the Joe organization, and would consist of Joes that, barring one or two loose screws, the media could actually report on without issue; they'd have Dragonflies for air support and a mix of light vehicles like RAMs, Armadillos, and Polar Battle Bears to help convey the notion of their being "special forces". I was thinking of having Stalker, Wild Bill, Airborne, Shockwave, Airtight, Mutt & Junkyard, Stretcher, Snow Job, Barbecue, Wet-Suit, and Leatherneck for this one. They would mostly focus on taking out the "everyday" terrorist groups and rebels.

The "C" team would be the "in your face" of the Joe organization; their mission would be to get in, obliterate Cobra (or whatever banana republic was in their path), and pull out before anybody was any wiser as to their presence or existence. They would have the heavy vehicles like the the MOBAT, Warthog AIFV, Skystriker, Wolverine, Bridgelayer, and WHALE. This team would be Duke, Steeler, Heavy Duty, Muskrat, Ace, Tollbooth, Cutter, Ripcord, Hit & Run, Cover Girl, and Grunt.

The "D" team would be straight-up commandos who would use Tomahawks for air support and light ground vehicles (like the Radar Rat and Tri-Blaster) once out on their missions. They'd be the ones to do the "sneaky" stuff, either by themselves or in support of one of the other teams. For this one, we'd be looking at Lift-Ticket, Snake-Eyes, Scarlet, Low-Light, Spirit, Torpedo, Rampart, Bullhorn, Lightfoot, Quick-Kick, and Gung-Ho.

The "E", or "Expendable" team, would be Tiger Force. The idea behind Tiger Force is that their odd colors, their use of both NATO & Cobra hardware simultaneously, and their irregular tactics would be a front to make people think that they were a private mercenary force rather than a team of Joes. They would be the ones to go in and handle missions that, for various reasons, the other Joe teams could not do (such as the mission being too dangerous or too politically sensitive). The roster would be Skystriker, Flint, Frostbite, Alpine, Bazooka, Shipwreck, Dusty, Tunnel Rat, Wreckage, Recondo, and Outback.

The "F" team would be Battle Force 3000; they'd be a re-badged BF2K with additional members. The official story would be that they're an experimental weapons team, but in reality their mission is to deal with "science fiction"-type threats that more conventional outfits aren't prepared to take on. For them, the roster would be Dodger, Sci-Fi, Avalanche, Blocker, Breaker, Blaster, Sneak-Peek, Maverick, Crazylegs, Knockdown, and Dee-Jay.

Other Joes would appear as needed, the explanation being that they were hidden within the regular service and activated / inactivated as needed for each particular mission.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:43 PM

As of today, I have $10 in gift cards to the local Target, which would get me one Movie figure or one figure / bike combo (given that the local Target has dropped the prices on them).


If you could get one figure or figure / bike combo, who would it be? This will likely be the only time for the next little while that I can snag anything Joe, and so I'd like to get the most bang for my buck.


Thanks.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:08 PM

QUOTE(Fortress Ironhold @ Jul 12 2013, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Aberration @ Jul 12 2013, 02:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wouldn't Extreme be Joe's Beast Wars? I wonder if things would've gone differently for that iteration if it was the same characters and story, but with more traditional toys.


My thing with Extreme was the fact that Hasbro should have just simply said that the cast was re-imagined versions of the vintage Joes. Not only did just about everyone have a direct counterpart with the 1980s line, the animation studio even went so far as to crib at least one vintage PSA (it was the "glasses" one; they just substituted Lt. Stone for Ripcord).

Instead, I'm thinking that a lot of fans who were old enough to remember the 1980s line were simply too confused by what they saw to really know what to make of it.

Hasbro (or Kenner, rather, at the time) didn't have to say anything. I doubt character confusion had anything to do with bad sales. That came from them being simply awful toys created in a misaimed attempt to compete with the rising Spawn figure market (hell, that's probably why Iron Klaw looks as XTREEEEME as he does).

QUOTE(lastmaximal @ Jul 12 2013, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One year they should just totally go bananas experimenting with GI Joe.

Drop the military focus. Mention it, perhaps, as a NEST-like global anti-terrorist/whoever strike force. But make its applications almost entirely MASK-like: crazy sci-fi weapons, vehicles and such. Reasonably colorful, none of that all-black accelerator suit stuff. Have them fight the occasional terrorist cell, but open this up to more threats outside of that scope. Animated-style sci-fi-y powered villains. Maybe maintain a small subteam/subline that IS military-heavy. Sort of an inversion of the old formula. Hell, I don't even care if people say this "disrespects or drops everything that Joe stands for." If the property is to have any legs at all, it can't just keep leaning on "how cool is the US military, amirite?" ... and maybe a bit of growth and development from the fandom, which honestly seems like the greater uncertainty to me.

It occurs to me that this is pretty close to the overall feel of the VVV days, which has always seemed like much greater fun to me than "wow, look at how neat this vest/webgear/bloused combat fatigues look on this guy" being the driving force of the line. We've gotten a good couple of years of the latter, and more than enough molds to go into constructing the remaining remakes that people still really want.

Be fun to see the conniption fits that result from that much fun. Does anybody see any merit to this, though?

I'd enjoy it as long as the articulation stays. Even better if it leads to a slow build somehow, like all these random techno threats being geared up by Cobra or SKAR. Hell, Cobra could be aliens for all I care, as long as they're entertaining. I've always had faaaar less complaints about Cobra stuff than Joes because Cobra is already pretty fantastical.

In truth, the last Joe comic I was excited about was basically this concept. Unfortunately, it was written by Andy Schmidt and not particularly well drawn aside from the covers, so I should have known better than to care. Basically, take the Future Noir idea, but throw out everything else because it was awful.


QUOTE(Fortress Ironhold @ Jul 12 2013, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As of today, I have $10 in gift cards to the local Target, which would get me one Movie figure or one figure / bike combo (given that the local Target has dropped the prices on them).


If you could get one figure or figure / bike combo, who would it be? This will likely be the only time for the next little while that I can snag anything Joe, and so I'd like to get the most bang for my buck.


Thanks.

Neither. The bikes suck. Go get a Ninja Duel Snake Eyes or something. Or just save it for when you really want something.

Edited by Spark, 12 July 2013 - 01:35 PM.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:22 PM

QUOTE(Spark @ Jul 12 2013, 09:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I liked Sigma Six in concept, but not in execution. The show was bad and the toys were ugly.

Probably to the ire of half the Joe fans out there, I think G. I. Joe would benefit from moving away from the pseudo-realistic military theme for a while. Renegades touched on it, but chickened out with using the cartoon aesthetic or even giving it a full toyline.

I liked the toys.... it's just that they were too big and expensive to amass the way one amasses smaller, cheaper figures. And at that scale, not much you could do for vehicles.
Didn't care much for the cartoon either.

QUOTE(Dr Syn @ Jul 12 2013, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Time for some fun.

Hah! I did the same thing with my Wave 1 DG Cobra Commander, but with the black Resolute Cobra Commander providing the head!

QUOTE(Fortress Ironhold @ Jul 12 2013, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My thing with Extreme was the fact that Hasbro should have just simply said that the cast was re-imagined versions of the vintage Joes. Not only did just about everyone have a direct counterpart with the 1980s line, the animation studio even went so far as to crib at least one vintage PSA (it was the "glasses" one; they just substituted Lt. Stone for Ripcord).

Instead, I'm thinking that a lot of fans who were old enough to remember the 1980s line were simply too confused by what they saw to really know what to make of it.

Yeah. Totally unlike Beast Wars with its Optimus Prime analog, its Megatron analog, its Bumblebee/Hot Rod analog, its Wheeljack analog, its Starscream analog and so forth.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:57 PM

QUOTE(lastmaximal @ Jul 12 2013, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One year they should just totally go bananas experimenting with GI Joe.

Drop the military focus. Mention it, perhaps, as a NEST-like global anti-terrorist/whoever strike force. But make its applications almost entirely MASK-like: crazy sci-fi weapons, vehicles and such. Reasonably colorful, none of that all-black accelerator suit stuff. Have them fight the occasional terrorist cell, but open this up to more threats outside of that scope. Animated-style sci-fi-y powered villains. Maybe maintain a small subteam/subline that IS military-heavy. Sort of an inversion of the old formula. Hell, I don't even care if people say this "disrespects or drops everything that Joe stands for." If the property is to have any legs at all, it can't just keep leaning on "how cool is the US military, amirite?" ... and maybe a bit of growth and development from the fandom, which honestly seems like the greater uncertainty to me.

It occurs to me that this is pretty close to the overall feel of the VVV days, which has always seemed like much greater fun to me than "wow, look at how neat this vest/webgear/bloused combat fatigues look on this guy" being the driving force of the line. We've gotten a good couple of years of the latter, and more than enough molds to go into constructing the remaining remakes that people still really want.

Be fun to see the conniption fits that result from that much fun. Does anybody see any merit to this, though?
I'm in. I've always had more fondness for GI Joe when it relies on the fantastical rather than the straight military. I love it when the Joes have to react and adapt to Cobra's outrageous genetic and robotic threats. I could be VERY happy following the adventures of the Joes running around taking on Mega-Monsters, V-Troops, Cobra-La (reimagined as a genetic experiment rather than a pre-human civilization), and the occasional platoon of BATS led by the crazed cyborgs Overkill and General Blitz. Throw in a few ninjas just for the giggles... The whole point is that they shouldn't be shying away from the crazy, they should embrace it!
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lastmaximal, I think you've hit it on the head. That's pretty much exactly how I think Joe should be done, only more eloquently stated. It'll piss off those fans who think that Joe is and always was "Zero Dark Thirty", but I think they're somewhat disconnected from reality anyways.
Yeah, it's a lost cause. The people who champion straight military realism in GI Joe always point to the first few years of ARAH as the gold standard. Point out that right from the start we had a Laser Trooper MOS and an artillery laser, and they just roll their eyes and tell you that you don't get it.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:12 PM

I think the primary thing Hasbro needs in order to refresh the Joe brand is to support it like they've supported Prime. Full toyline support even at the detriment of the grumpy collector-friendly stuff, heavy promotion, lots of investment and faith in the tie-in cartoon... you know, the stuff Hasbro gave to Prime.

lastmaximal's idea is fantastic but Hasbro needs to be fully invested in it, regardless of the risks.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:45 PM

It definitely needs a full toyline and related cartoon going at the same time. Get it running concurrently somewhere beyond The Hub, even better.
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:58 PM

Is the space race still going on or am I a few decades late? I would love to see the joes take the war with cobra back in space. Just a whole space theme but still pseudo realistic and colonize the moon or something. Great way to get some kind of defiant rerelease out there. Joes In Space! And space ninjas! Gives MARS a new meaning!

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:05 PM

Well, there was Star Brigade... although by the end it was segueing into some weird Aliens/Starship Troopers hybrid.


Personally, I'm not into having aliens in GI Joe. I can handle all sorts of genetic and robotic shenanigans, alternate universes, ninja magic, and so on, but at the core I feel ARAH is about the best soldiers humanity has to offer battling against... well, humanity gone wrong. Once you introduce aliens it's just a matter of time before both sides are recruiting them, making alliances, yadda yadda and somewhere in there it stops being about the "super" soldiers and starts being Flash Gordon. Don't get me wrong, I like Flash Gordon, but I'm of the mind that GI Joe is not and should not be comparable to it.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:11 PM

Yeah, I'm not too big on space battles either.

I'm accepting of drug dealers, genetically-created monstrosities, killer plants, nanomites, ninjas, killer robots and cyborgs, adventuring and yetis, etc.

But no. No aliens. No space combat. That way lies Star Wars. Or the climactic battle of Moonraker. Either way, not what I want out of Joe.


EDIT: Also, we need more Joe firefighters. Just Barbecue alone isn't enough. We need a few more Joe firefighters and a firefighting vehicle. Kids love firefighters.

Edited by Detour, 12 July 2013 - 06:17 PM.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:28 PM

Well I wasn't thinking aliens in my bit there, just take the battle out into space, the moon and mars and such. Keep it localized. It's just different than what we have had in the past 2 decades. Not much else has really worked...

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