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@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 08:28 AM)

Is there an English equivalent for what we Germans call "deductions in the B rating"? Context: Someone did something and suceeded on a technical level (as in, achieved the intended goal), but failed to some degree in the details, i.e. there was some collateral damage, or while a technical success, the end result is an aestetic failure. It can be used highly ironically, as in "barely achieved the intended goal, but failed so much in every aspect that's not purely technical that it might as well be considered an utter failure altogether." The German term is derived from the old judging syste in figure skating, which gave separate ratings for "technical merit" and "presentation", with the latter being the origin of the German term.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 November 2019 - 02:32 AM)

Huh. I did not know before today that "medieval" had an alternate spelling "mediaeval". Like "paleontology" and "palaeontology".

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 November 2019 - 04:15 PM)

'Beast Wars in underrated' the comment went. I exploded.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:19 PM)

Absolutely.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

So... you can look like a cop from the 70's AND a huge nerd at the same time?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:09 PM)

I feel like the best way to carry the Switch would be an under-arm torso holster.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 12:31 PM)

It's not. hell. If the 3DS zelda case just stretched a LITTLE more it would fit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 November 2019 - 03:38 AM)

I feel like the Switch Lite is a bit big to have hanging on your belt like that, but I don't take my Switch out with me often anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 01:13 AM)

I must be the only one who wants a switch lite case with a belt loop. o.O

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2019 - 03:03 PM)

I'm gonna have "Chainsaw Buffet" and "Candy For the Cannibal" by Lordi playing in my head all night.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Trick or treaters can only consent to cannibalism in Germania.

@  Sabrblade : (07 November 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Hey, if the trick or treaters can't take some loving insults, that's their problem.

@  Arazyr : (07 November 2019 - 11:39 AM)

Just make sure to put the leftovers in the fridge, so they don't get spoiled.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 11:10 AM)

I love children... but I can never eat a whole one.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 November 2019 - 09:52 AM)

I can neither confirm nor deny this allegation.

@  Paladin : (07 November 2019 - 09:46 AM)

...you don't roast the trick or treaters, do you....

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:38 AM)

A cold beer, a warm fire, some smores and trick or treaters... Man, you got this life thing down.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

That actually sounds pretty awesome.

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:59 AM)

we'll move to the open garage if it's raining

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:58 AM)

every Halloween since we got a house, TMM and I chill in the driveway with a fire bowl and roast things while handing out candy. It's pretty great.

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 November 2019 - 03:42 AM)

Peter Cullen voiced King Kong let that sink in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:42 PM)

I've noticed that after a year or two, though, people with children will start getting into it for their kids

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:41 PM)

I think a lot of the decline you see in Halloween is due to newcomers to Canada who don't really get it... I mean,there are only a handful of countries in the world that practice this particular oddity

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (06 November 2019 - 12:29 PM)

I recently attended a talk on Samhain and its associated mythology by a professor from Limerick.

@  Otaku : (06 November 2019 - 11:49 AM)

Trunk or Treats have become more popular because it is supposed to be safer, and even if it isn't, it just tends to be easier for the Trick-or-Treaters.

@  wonko the sane? : (06 November 2019 - 11:00 AM)

That's okay: between ever more extreme weather, ever more violent society, and general paranoia of parents: halloweens not doing to well out here either.

@  Anonymous X : (06 November 2019 - 09:30 AM)

We used to have Bonfire Night here in the UK as our thing instead of Halloween... It's withered away for the most part. Halloween used to be the strange American tradition you knew of from ET or various cartoons

@  TheMightyMol... : (06 November 2019 - 06:33 AM)

So that's why I never get invited anywhere.

@  Otaku : (05 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

@Bass X0 Are we talking about the quality of the costumes or their subject matter?  The former is a natural result of cosplay growing less and less niche over the decades.  The latter isn't new; mass produced stuff is at least as old as you or I and are we sure no one dressed as a cowboy or astronaut or whatever in the 1950's?  Monsters weren't allowed at certain parties, strange as it sounds. XP

@  Benbot : (05 November 2019 - 12:23 PM)

is the quick reply broken for anyone else or is it just me?

@  Pinkcolliebot : (05 November 2019 - 11:30 AM)

Announcement! TF Roll Out Short Gotta Go Fast! Storyboard in the works! Green lit Real Soon.


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#3021 Spark

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:01 AM

I liked Sigma Six in concept, but not in execution. The show was bad and the toys were ugly.

Probably to the ire of half the Joe fans out there, I think G. I. Joe would benefit from moving away from the pseudo-realistic military theme for a while. Renegades touched on it, but chickened out with using the cartoon aesthetic or even giving it a full toyline.

Edited by Spark, 12 July 2013 - 08:02 AM.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:13 AM

QUOTE(Betty Nor @ Jul 12 2013, 06:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And what about Sigma 6? That was a pretty gross departure (toy-wise).

No, G.I. Joe just needs a way to capture the new generation. They need a TMNT-esque revolution.

EVERY time they've tried revising the formula-- Renegades, Resolute, S6-- it's failed. The brand exists in cycles, and, to me, seems to be most popular when the military is in the public's favor. GI Joe came out in 1964, which coincides with our early involvement in Vietnam (appropriately, it was rebranded as a series of non-military adventure series when the public realized how much of a muddle LBJ and Nixon had gotten us into-- this is delving into some P&R stuff, so I won't continue); in the 80s it was the cold war against the dastardly Soviets; in the 90s it was the Gulf War, but in the 2000s, it's been an unpopular war on two fronts that has seen the line slowly and steadily decline in popularity.

Of course, one could also say that the line turning into nothing but ninjas serves as a death rattle... *looks at 1993 and 2012 lines*

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:33 AM

Yeah, I'm not quite sure why the solution to waning sales always seems to be "more ninjas". Don't they know the Rule of Ninja Effectiveness? Heh.
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:37 AM

Sadly we never saw anything Sigma 6 related on the shelves here. While the large figures aren't my thing I liked the look of them and really wanted those Articulated animals that came later, the snake, tiger, Timber, Crocodile and Scorpion (if only there was a dedicated animal toy line for articulated animals).


If they went smaller like the Sigma 6 sub line then they'd need to do them like the Human Alliance human figures, not these half static figurines the Sigma 6 mission line had. In all of G.I. Joe it seems the one thing that they have in common, design wise was the ability to pose like no other action figure in the Western world.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:45 AM

Is that Cobra Commander the Dollar General one with the PoC head stuck on?
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:00 AM

Sigma 6 was really rather cool, though. I loved the aesthetic, liked the modular ports for storing gear, and the accessories were some of the best GI Joe has ever come with. It was a shame the cooler figures were in later waves that either didn't see wide release or were cancelled in general...

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:54 AM

QUOTE(Aberration @ Jul 12 2013, 02:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wouldn't Extreme be Joe's Beast Wars? I wonder if things would've gone differently for that iteration if it was the same characters and story, but with more traditional toys.


My thing with Extreme was the fact that Hasbro should have just simply said that the cast was re-imagined versions of the vintage Joes. Not only did just about everyone have a direct counterpart with the 1980s line, the animation studio even went so far as to crib at least one vintage PSA (it was the "glasses" one; they just substituted Lt. Stone for Ripcord).

Instead, I'm thinking that a lot of fans who were old enough to remember the 1980s line were simply too confused by what they saw to really know what to make of it.



Parallels:

Lt. Stone - Duke

Sgt. Savage - Grunt

Black Dragon - Snake-Eyes

Mayday - Scarlet

Ballistic / Eagle-Eye - Low-Light

Quickstrike - Alpine

(naval specialist) - Torpedo

Metal-Head - Rock & Roll

Tracker - Spirit

Freight - Roadblock

(bureaucrat who oversaw the team) - Trent

Iron Klaw - Cobra Commander

Rampage - Destro

Inferno - Dr. Mindbender

(big bruiser) - Road Pig

Skyrenes - B.A.T.S.

The assault helicopter could have been the Dragonfly, the Thundering Fury could have been the Mauler, the Road Bullet could have been the Silver Mirage, the Joe artillery platform could have been the FLAK, and the Klaw jet could have been the Night Raven.

The only things to *not* have direct counterparts are the Sandstorm vehicle (the tank / hovercraft get-up), the sniper that Klaw hires, and the Klaw artillery platform.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:03 PM

One year they should just totally go bananas experimenting with GI Joe.

Drop the military focus. Mention it, perhaps, as a NEST-like global anti-terrorist/whoever strike force. But make its applications almost entirely MASK-like: crazy sci-fi weapons, vehicles and such. Reasonably colorful, none of that all-black accelerator suit stuff. Have them fight the occasional terrorist cell, but open this up to more threats outside of that scope. Animated-style sci-fi-y powered villains. Maybe maintain a small subteam/subline that IS military-heavy. Sort of an inversion of the old formula. Hell, I don't even care if people say this "disrespects or drops everything that Joe stands for." If the property is to have any legs at all, it can't just keep leaning on "how cool is the US military, amirite?" ... and maybe a bit of growth and development from the fandom, which honestly seems like the greater uncertainty to me.

It occurs to me that this is pretty close to the overall feel of the VVV days, which has always seemed like much greater fun to me than "wow, look at how neat this vest/webgear/bloused combat fatigues look on this guy" being the driving force of the line. We've gotten a good couple of years of the latter, and more than enough molds to go into constructing the remaining remakes that people still really want.

Be fun to see the conniption fits that result from that much fun. Does anybody see any merit to this, though?

Edited by lastmaximal, 12 July 2013 - 12:04 PM.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:28 PM

lastmaximal, I think you've hit it on the head. That's pretty much exactly how I think Joe should be done, only more eloquently stated. It'll piss off those fans who think that Joe is and always was "Zero Dark Thirty", but I think they're somewhat disconnected from reality anyways.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:40 PM

QUOTE(lastmaximal @ Jul 12 2013, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Be fun to see the conniption fits that result from that much fun. Does anybody see any merit to this, though?


I had an idea a few years back for a revival in which the Joe force as a whole was broken down into different "special mission" teams, with each team being backed by greenshirts (or the equivalent). This would allow for the Joe franchise to cover a wide variety of possible threats and story types while still being "Joe", as each team would have a different purpose.

The "A" team would be a headquarters team and would represent the nucleus of the organization; rather than be tied to any one base, they would operate from the Mobile Command Center whenever possible and have a VAMP escort. This team would consist of Hawk, Steamroller (the MCC's driver), Roadblock (the MCC's chief gunner and an alternate field team leader), Lady J (chief of intelligence), Law & Order (MCC security), Mainframe, Dial-Tone, Lifeline, Doc, Psyche-Out, and Tripwire (MCC security). They would largely stay out of sight if at all possible.

The "B" team would be the "face" of the Joe organization, and would consist of Joes that, barring one or two loose screws, the media could actually report on without issue; they'd have Dragonflies for air support and a mix of light vehicles like RAMs, Armadillos, and Polar Battle Bears to help convey the notion of their being "special forces". I was thinking of having Stalker, Wild Bill, Airborne, Shockwave, Airtight, Mutt & Junkyard, Stretcher, Snow Job, Barbecue, Wet-Suit, and Leatherneck for this one. They would mostly focus on taking out the "everyday" terrorist groups and rebels.

The "C" team would be the "in your face" of the Joe organization; their mission would be to get in, obliterate Cobra (or whatever banana republic was in their path), and pull out before anybody was any wiser as to their presence or existence. They would have the heavy vehicles like the the MOBAT, Warthog AIFV, Skystriker, Wolverine, Bridgelayer, and WHALE. This team would be Duke, Steeler, Heavy Duty, Muskrat, Ace, Tollbooth, Cutter, Ripcord, Hit & Run, Cover Girl, and Grunt.

The "D" team would be straight-up commandos who would use Tomahawks for air support and light ground vehicles (like the Radar Rat and Tri-Blaster) once out on their missions. They'd be the ones to do the "sneaky" stuff, either by themselves or in support of one of the other teams. For this one, we'd be looking at Lift-Ticket, Snake-Eyes, Scarlet, Low-Light, Spirit, Torpedo, Rampart, Bullhorn, Lightfoot, Quick-Kick, and Gung-Ho.

The "E", or "Expendable" team, would be Tiger Force. The idea behind Tiger Force is that their odd colors, their use of both NATO & Cobra hardware simultaneously, and their irregular tactics would be a front to make people think that they were a private mercenary force rather than a team of Joes. They would be the ones to go in and handle missions that, for various reasons, the other Joe teams could not do (such as the mission being too dangerous or too politically sensitive). The roster would be Skystriker, Flint, Frostbite, Alpine, Bazooka, Shipwreck, Dusty, Tunnel Rat, Wreckage, Recondo, and Outback.

The "F" team would be Battle Force 3000; they'd be a re-badged BF2K with additional members. The official story would be that they're an experimental weapons team, but in reality their mission is to deal with "science fiction"-type threats that more conventional outfits aren't prepared to take on. For them, the roster would be Dodger, Sci-Fi, Avalanche, Blocker, Breaker, Blaster, Sneak-Peek, Maverick, Crazylegs, Knockdown, and Dee-Jay.

Other Joes would appear as needed, the explanation being that they were hidden within the regular service and activated / inactivated as needed for each particular mission.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:43 PM

As of today, I have $10 in gift cards to the local Target, which would get me one Movie figure or one figure / bike combo (given that the local Target has dropped the prices on them).


If you could get one figure or figure / bike combo, who would it be? This will likely be the only time for the next little while that I can snag anything Joe, and so I'd like to get the most bang for my buck.


Thanks.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:08 PM

QUOTE(Fortress Ironhold @ Jul 12 2013, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Aberration @ Jul 12 2013, 02:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wouldn't Extreme be Joe's Beast Wars? I wonder if things would've gone differently for that iteration if it was the same characters and story, but with more traditional toys.


My thing with Extreme was the fact that Hasbro should have just simply said that the cast was re-imagined versions of the vintage Joes. Not only did just about everyone have a direct counterpart with the 1980s line, the animation studio even went so far as to crib at least one vintage PSA (it was the "glasses" one; they just substituted Lt. Stone for Ripcord).

Instead, I'm thinking that a lot of fans who were old enough to remember the 1980s line were simply too confused by what they saw to really know what to make of it.

Hasbro (or Kenner, rather, at the time) didn't have to say anything. I doubt character confusion had anything to do with bad sales. That came from them being simply awful toys created in a misaimed attempt to compete with the rising Spawn figure market (hell, that's probably why Iron Klaw looks as XTREEEEME as he does).

QUOTE(lastmaximal @ Jul 12 2013, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One year they should just totally go bananas experimenting with GI Joe.

Drop the military focus. Mention it, perhaps, as a NEST-like global anti-terrorist/whoever strike force. But make its applications almost entirely MASK-like: crazy sci-fi weapons, vehicles and such. Reasonably colorful, none of that all-black accelerator suit stuff. Have them fight the occasional terrorist cell, but open this up to more threats outside of that scope. Animated-style sci-fi-y powered villains. Maybe maintain a small subteam/subline that IS military-heavy. Sort of an inversion of the old formula. Hell, I don't even care if people say this "disrespects or drops everything that Joe stands for." If the property is to have any legs at all, it can't just keep leaning on "how cool is the US military, amirite?" ... and maybe a bit of growth and development from the fandom, which honestly seems like the greater uncertainty to me.

It occurs to me that this is pretty close to the overall feel of the VVV days, which has always seemed like much greater fun to me than "wow, look at how neat this vest/webgear/bloused combat fatigues look on this guy" being the driving force of the line. We've gotten a good couple of years of the latter, and more than enough molds to go into constructing the remaining remakes that people still really want.

Be fun to see the conniption fits that result from that much fun. Does anybody see any merit to this, though?

I'd enjoy it as long as the articulation stays. Even better if it leads to a slow build somehow, like all these random techno threats being geared up by Cobra or SKAR. Hell, Cobra could be aliens for all I care, as long as they're entertaining. I've always had faaaar less complaints about Cobra stuff than Joes because Cobra is already pretty fantastical.

In truth, the last Joe comic I was excited about was basically this concept. Unfortunately, it was written by Andy Schmidt and not particularly well drawn aside from the covers, so I should have known better than to care. Basically, take the Future Noir idea, but throw out everything else because it was awful.


QUOTE(Fortress Ironhold @ Jul 12 2013, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As of today, I have $10 in gift cards to the local Target, which would get me one Movie figure or one figure / bike combo (given that the local Target has dropped the prices on them).


If you could get one figure or figure / bike combo, who would it be? This will likely be the only time for the next little while that I can snag anything Joe, and so I'd like to get the most bang for my buck.


Thanks.

Neither. The bikes suck. Go get a Ninja Duel Snake Eyes or something. Or just save it for when you really want something.

Edited by Spark, 12 July 2013 - 01:35 PM.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:22 PM

QUOTE(Spark @ Jul 12 2013, 09:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I liked Sigma Six in concept, but not in execution. The show was bad and the toys were ugly.

Probably to the ire of half the Joe fans out there, I think G. I. Joe would benefit from moving away from the pseudo-realistic military theme for a while. Renegades touched on it, but chickened out with using the cartoon aesthetic or even giving it a full toyline.

I liked the toys.... it's just that they were too big and expensive to amass the way one amasses smaller, cheaper figures. And at that scale, not much you could do for vehicles.
Didn't care much for the cartoon either.

QUOTE(Dr Syn @ Jul 12 2013, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Time for some fun.

Hah! I did the same thing with my Wave 1 DG Cobra Commander, but with the black Resolute Cobra Commander providing the head!

QUOTE(Fortress Ironhold @ Jul 12 2013, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My thing with Extreme was the fact that Hasbro should have just simply said that the cast was re-imagined versions of the vintage Joes. Not only did just about everyone have a direct counterpart with the 1980s line, the animation studio even went so far as to crib at least one vintage PSA (it was the "glasses" one; they just substituted Lt. Stone for Ripcord).

Instead, I'm thinking that a lot of fans who were old enough to remember the 1980s line were simply too confused by what they saw to really know what to make of it.

Yeah. Totally unlike Beast Wars with its Optimus Prime analog, its Megatron analog, its Bumblebee/Hot Rod analog, its Wheeljack analog, its Starscream analog and so forth.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:57 PM

QUOTE(lastmaximal @ Jul 12 2013, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One year they should just totally go bananas experimenting with GI Joe.

Drop the military focus. Mention it, perhaps, as a NEST-like global anti-terrorist/whoever strike force. But make its applications almost entirely MASK-like: crazy sci-fi weapons, vehicles and such. Reasonably colorful, none of that all-black accelerator suit stuff. Have them fight the occasional terrorist cell, but open this up to more threats outside of that scope. Animated-style sci-fi-y powered villains. Maybe maintain a small subteam/subline that IS military-heavy. Sort of an inversion of the old formula. Hell, I don't even care if people say this "disrespects or drops everything that Joe stands for." If the property is to have any legs at all, it can't just keep leaning on "how cool is the US military, amirite?" ... and maybe a bit of growth and development from the fandom, which honestly seems like the greater uncertainty to me.

It occurs to me that this is pretty close to the overall feel of the VVV days, which has always seemed like much greater fun to me than "wow, look at how neat this vest/webgear/bloused combat fatigues look on this guy" being the driving force of the line. We've gotten a good couple of years of the latter, and more than enough molds to go into constructing the remaining remakes that people still really want.

Be fun to see the conniption fits that result from that much fun. Does anybody see any merit to this, though?
I'm in. I've always had more fondness for GI Joe when it relies on the fantastical rather than the straight military. I love it when the Joes have to react and adapt to Cobra's outrageous genetic and robotic threats. I could be VERY happy following the adventures of the Joes running around taking on Mega-Monsters, V-Troops, Cobra-La (reimagined as a genetic experiment rather than a pre-human civilization), and the occasional platoon of BATS led by the crazed cyborgs Overkill and General Blitz. Throw in a few ninjas just for the giggles... The whole point is that they shouldn't be shying away from the crazy, they should embrace it!
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lastmaximal, I think you've hit it on the head. That's pretty much exactly how I think Joe should be done, only more eloquently stated. It'll piss off those fans who think that Joe is and always was "Zero Dark Thirty", but I think they're somewhat disconnected from reality anyways.
Yeah, it's a lost cause. The people who champion straight military realism in GI Joe always point to the first few years of ARAH as the gold standard. Point out that right from the start we had a Laser Trooper MOS and an artillery laser, and they just roll their eyes and tell you that you don't get it.

#3035 Detour

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:12 PM

I think the primary thing Hasbro needs in order to refresh the Joe brand is to support it like they've supported Prime. Full toyline support even at the detriment of the grumpy collector-friendly stuff, heavy promotion, lots of investment and faith in the tie-in cartoon... you know, the stuff Hasbro gave to Prime.

lastmaximal's idea is fantastic but Hasbro needs to be fully invested in it, regardless of the risks.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:45 PM

It definitely needs a full toyline and related cartoon going at the same time. Get it running concurrently somewhere beyond The Hub, even better.
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:58 PM

Is the space race still going on or am I a few decades late? I would love to see the joes take the war with cobra back in space. Just a whole space theme but still pseudo realistic and colonize the moon or something. Great way to get some kind of defiant rerelease out there. Joes In Space! And space ninjas! Gives MARS a new meaning!

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:05 PM

Well, there was Star Brigade... although by the end it was segueing into some weird Aliens/Starship Troopers hybrid.


Personally, I'm not into having aliens in GI Joe. I can handle all sorts of genetic and robotic shenanigans, alternate universes, ninja magic, and so on, but at the core I feel ARAH is about the best soldiers humanity has to offer battling against... well, humanity gone wrong. Once you introduce aliens it's just a matter of time before both sides are recruiting them, making alliances, yadda yadda and somewhere in there it stops being about the "super" soldiers and starts being Flash Gordon. Don't get me wrong, I like Flash Gordon, but I'm of the mind that GI Joe is not and should not be comparable to it.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:11 PM

Yeah, I'm not too big on space battles either.

I'm accepting of drug dealers, genetically-created monstrosities, killer plants, nanomites, ninjas, killer robots and cyborgs, adventuring and yetis, etc.

But no. No aliens. No space combat. That way lies Star Wars. Or the climactic battle of Moonraker. Either way, not what I want out of Joe.


EDIT: Also, we need more Joe firefighters. Just Barbecue alone isn't enough. We need a few more Joe firefighters and a firefighting vehicle. Kids love firefighters.

Edited by Detour, 12 July 2013 - 06:17 PM.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:28 PM

Well I wasn't thinking aliens in my bit there, just take the battle out into space, the moon and mars and such. Keep it localized. It's just different than what we have had in the past 2 decades. Not much else has really worked...

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