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@  ZakuConvoy : (20 January 2019 - 07:42 PM)

His one shots and two or three parters are great. But...Dark Age got a little long in the tooth. Not bad, but not my favorite.

@  ZakuConvoy : (20 January 2019 - 07:40 PM)

For me, it's less the delay, and more that Astro City is always best in smaller chunks. The longer story arcs (which is what the OGNs sound like they're aiming for), while not bad, are far from the high points of the series.

@  Nevermore : (20 January 2019 - 07:52 AM)

The recent ongoing series didn't start until what, 2013?

@  Nevermore : (20 January 2019 - 07:51 AM)

Then was continued as a five-issue mini-series ("Local Heroes"), then came a 16-issue maxi-series ("The Dark Age"), plus a couple of standalone specials and two-parters...

@  Nevermore : (20 January 2019 - 07:50 AM)

It started out as a series, but due to Busiek's health problems (?), it was put on hold after six issues, then got relaunched with a new #1, had several delays (again because of Busiek's health issues), was discontinued after #22...

@  Nevermore : (20 January 2019 - 07:49 AM)

I don't get why people are making such a big deal out of Astro City becoming a series of graphic novels now. I mean, it's not like it's always been a steady ongoing series.

@  Nevermore : (17 January 2019 - 08:19 PM)

I'm also only reading the trades. So I'm still missing... two volumes that are currently only available as hardcovers? Three?

@  Trpodeca : (17 January 2019 - 06:22 PM)

Astro City is great. Since I only read the trades, there probably won't be a big change for me.

@  ZakuConvoy : (17 January 2019 - 05:34 PM)

I have. Great series. Hopefully the transition to OGNs will be a smooth one.

@  Nevermore : (17 January 2019 - 07:20 AM)

Anyone here reading Kurt Busiek's Astro City?

@  Verity Carlo : (16 January 2019 - 01:12 PM)

https://sites.google...ations---part-1awwwww shit

@  Benbot : (16 January 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Remember the Noid? He steals pizzas!

@  Steevy Maximus : (16 January 2019 - 10:47 AM)

That said, the old "Nester" character from Nintendo Power IS owned by Nintendo, and I could see a homage in there

@  Steevy Maximus : (16 January 2019 - 10:46 AM)

Because technically DiC created the character, Nintendo does not own him.

@  Paladin : (16 January 2019 - 10:28 AM)

sidebar- why is "Captain N" not in Smash yet? that seems like such an easy option.

@  wonko the sane? : (16 January 2019 - 09:18 AM)

The 90's mario cartoons had exactly three character aspects to work with: fat, italian and plumber. He wasn't exactly wrenching pipes in every episode, so they had to do something...

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 January 2019 - 07:31 AM)

It's in another castle.

@  unluckiness : (16 January 2019 - 06:24 AM)

i HOpE sHe mADe LotSA SPAGHETTI

@  Locoman : (16 January 2019 - 06:17 AM)

Mario, wherever you are, HEEEEEEEELP!

@  unluckiness : (16 January 2019 - 06:07 AM)

That's Mama Luigi to you, Mario *wheeze*

@  Pennpenn : (16 January 2019 - 02:24 AM)

It's too hot here.

@  Echowarrior : (15 January 2019 - 11:03 PM)

I liked the Super Mario Brothers Super Show the best myself.

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 10:35 PM)

There's always the three Mario cartoons DiC made back in the 80s.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 09:48 PM)

So they could make a show that everyone would scream was an adventure time knockoff? I get what you're saying, but I can't see it being well received.

@  Sean Whitmore : (15 January 2019 - 08:47 PM)

The fact that Adventure Time was on the air for 8 years and at no point did Nintendo hand the creators a large sack of money and say, "Please make a Mario thing for us" will forever anger me.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 07:03 PM)

There was so much awesome put into design and conception of the super mario bros. movie, and it didn't even need the branding: but it wouldn't have made it to the screen without the branding.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:56 PM)

Many aspects of it have stuck in my memory, though. The boots, the devolution ray, the aesthetic of the dinosaur city

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:55 PM)

I had no idea there was another Mario Bros. movie coming out, though. Doubt it'll top the first one, it was just so bizarre

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:55 PM)

They already act a bit like minions; they just aren't stupid

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 05:35 PM)

The trouble is: I honestly can't decide if making them minions would be better or worse than the continuously shrill voices they've used for the last 20 years.

@  Paladin : (15 January 2019 - 05:27 PM)

hope everyone's ready for Toads to look, act & sound like the Minions forever...

@  Lancer : (15 January 2019 - 04:54 PM)

I mean, considering Illumination is making the new Mario movie, Super Mario Bros. 1993 won't be the worst Mario movie anymore

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 04:36 PM)

"Sir, your pizza's here." "Not now!"

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 04:28 PM)

Actually, yeah. I think I need to watch it again. Great movie.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 03:44 PM)

It's a fun movie with amazing sets. As long as you don't try to connect it to anything else Mario, it's fine.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 03:38 PM)

Damn, I haven't thought about the Super Mario Bros. feature film in forever. Need to watch it again, soon; I can only imagine it gets better with time.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 January 2019 - 03:21 PM)

Re:Zero is a fantastic series.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 January 2019 - 03:10 PM)

Yeah it's not a bad concept, it's just that lately the term is associated with "I, a Loser Everyman, Woke Up In a Generic Fantasy Setting Where I'm Super Special So Now Girls Orbit Me"

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 12:59 PM)

So too is the old Super Mario Bros movie

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 12:28 PM)

I went and looked up the term "isekai"... that's not actually as bad as I thought it was going to be.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 January 2019 - 12:19 PM)

I'm not sure, but the cartoon segments of The Super Mario Bros. Super Show are.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Wait. A. Minute. Is Blaster Master an isekai?

@  MEDdMI : (15 January 2019 - 08:49 AM)

*Dragon Slave*

@  Xellos : (15 January 2019 - 06:22 AM)

I used to use a pic like that as my avatar for years, but that... is a secret.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 02:07 AM)

Is Flatland an isekai?

@  MEDdMI : (14 January 2019 - 11:16 PM)

@Xellos Every time I see you post, I picture Xellos' infuriating smug grin and finger waggling with the "sore wa hi*mi*tsu*desu <3"

@  Waspinator : (14 January 2019 - 09:50 PM)

The Last Starfighter is also one of those

@  Cybersnark : (14 January 2019 - 09:28 PM)

Astronaut gets shot through a wornhole and ends up on a living starship full of escaped alien prisoners.

@  Cybersnark : (14 January 2019 - 09:28 PM)

I realized a few months ago that Farscape is a sci-fi-based Isekai.

@  Sabrblade : (14 January 2019 - 09:03 PM)

The Thor movies and Enchanted, as well.


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Posted 20 November 2011 - 12:00 PM

QUOTE(Rust @ Nov 20 2011, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Indeed. And to be completely fair, Voyage of the Damned was humorous in the aspect that it was stated London was evacuated mainly because something bad always happens on Christmas.

Though, in regards to lazy writing, Voyage of the Damned is guilty of this just as much as the current Moffat specials are. The Poseidon Adventure parallels and all that.


That's true and to be honest I was surprised someone hadn't mentioned it sooner. However, that's basically one against Moffat's current score of two. I can forgive RTD for doing a special based on something else because he'd already tried to give us two previous specials that were original. Moffat has just gone straight for 'Doctor Who does...'.

Also, to clarify, I don't hate Moffat. I am dissapointed in his tenure but that's mainly because I know he can do better and he's kind of been repeating himself (or RTD, by subjecting us to yet another year of 'The Doctor knows he's going to die soon and tries to run'). The fact that I'm expecting better of a veteran professional is not trashing the guy.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 01:08 PM

QUOTE(HellCat @ Nov 20 2011, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's true and to be honest I was surprised someone hadn't mentioned it sooner. However, that's basically one against Moffat's current score of two. I can forgive RTD for doing a special based on something else because he'd already tried to give us two previous specials that were original.


Original, but hardly gripping.

Christmas Invasion was horribly Doctor-lite, especially seeing as how it was Tennant's premiere performance and he spent the vast majority of the episode asleep. At the time, it wasn't exactly a great start to a new Doctor.

The Runaway Bride wasn't exactly the best episode out of the gate either. Donna was extremely annoying, and unlike Christmas Invasion or Voyage of the Damned, it barely registered as a Christmas Special. The only Christmas imagery was the Father Christmas Robot that was recycled from the previous year.


I'll admit, "Doctor Who Does..." can be a bit of a downer, and Moffat's vast multi-part epic is starting to wear thin but ultimately I think the series is doing nothing but improving as the years go by and that includes the Christmas Specials.
Don't fight it, it's coming for you, running at ya / It's only this moment, don't care what comes after
Your fever dream, can't you see it getting closer / Just surrender 'cause you feel the feeling taking over
It's fire, it's freedom, it's flooding open / It's a preacher in the pulpit and you'll find devotion
There's something breaking at the brick of every wall, it's holding All that you know
So tell me do you wanna go?

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 02:53 PM

QUOTE(Rust @ Nov 20 2011, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(HellCat @ Nov 20 2011, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's true and to be honest I was surprised someone hadn't mentioned it sooner. However, that's basically one against Moffat's current score of two. I can forgive RTD for doing a special based on something else because he'd already tried to give us two previous specials that were original.


Original, but hardly gripping.

Christmas Invasion was horribly Doctor-lite, especially seeing as how it was Tennant's premiere performance and he spent the vast majority of the episode asleep. At the time, it wasn't exactly a great start to a new Doctor.

The Runaway Bride wasn't exactly the best episode out of the gate either. Donna was extremely annoying, and unlike Christmas Invasion or Voyage of the Damned, it barely registered as a Christmas Special. The only Christmas imagery was the Father Christmas Robot that was recycled from the previous year.


I'll admit, "Doctor Who Does..." can be a bit of a downer, and Moffat's vast multi-part epic is starting to wear thin but ultimately I think the series is doing nothing but improving as the years go by and that includes the Christmas Specials.


Fair points and I'll agree. You only have to look at the Miracle Day thread to see I'll give RTD stick at times and I remember some back and forth here when VOTD first aired, with me on the 'It was ok, but not awesome' side. For one thing, that slow mo bit with the Doctor ascending via the Hosts....still a 'What the hell?' moment.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 03:12 PM

Eh. It still beats Last of the Time Lords where the Doctor beats the Master thanks to everyone in the world believing in him a la Fortress Maximus in Robots in Disguise.

That still pisses me off. I legitimately love all of Season Three (Yes, even Daleks in Manhattan), up until A Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords. The whole season was brilliant...and then we got Simms terrible portrayal of the Master (Which I don't fault Simms for) and the Doctor winning through a overused and cliche Anime Trope.

I mean, I'll carry on about The End of Time, but that's partly in good humor. Season Three finale?

What makes it even worse is, unlike Love and Monsters which is just straight up dreck from beginning to end, there are legitimately good segments and ideas being utilized. The Master's dealing with the Reporter and the Cabinet are both darkly humorous, and his hunting of Martha gives us a glimpse of a truly terrifying nemesis of the Doctor (And it's why I don't blame Simms for the Master's sub-par portrayal).

...

Wait. How did I go from Christmas Specials to the Season Three finale? I'm not sure I can even follow my own logic path here, but the point still stands...I suppose. I guess what I'm trying to say is Moffat would have to intentionally try and write something worse then Last of the Time Lords for me to condemn it.
Don't fight it, it's coming for you, running at ya / It's only this moment, don't care what comes after
Your fever dream, can't you see it getting closer / Just surrender 'cause you feel the feeling taking over
It's fire, it's freedom, it's flooding open / It's a preacher in the pulpit and you'll find devotion
There's something breaking at the brick of every wall, it's holding All that you know
So tell me do you wanna go?

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 03:40 PM

I liked Last of the Time Lords icon-screamer.gif

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 03:56 PM

Love and Monsters was great, hush you!

Last of the Time Lords left me cold when I first saw it, mostly because of the bizarre decision to take Tennant out of the mix for most of the ep, when it was his interaction with Simm which made the previous ep so great.

The day is saved because the Master has used the Archangel network to low-level hypnotise the planet, so getting everyone to believe in the Doctor at the same time throws the system into reverse and lets the Doctor defeat the Master using his own methods. Unfortunately that part is mentioned so briefly it is easy to miss first time, so it looks like the Doctor is just using magic.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 04:08 PM

Yeah, I'm always amazed people fail to grasp that. Especially from a fanbase that will defend similar but even more wonky examples in other stories.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 05:02 PM

QUOTE(HellCat @ Nov 20 2011, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, I'm always amazed people fail to grasp that. Especially from a fanbase that will defend similar but even more wonky examples in other stories.


Not to mention, that for any old school fan or recent fan that's seen the old stuff, Master admits that his biggest fear is exactly this; a super-powered Dcotor. It feels like RTD was reference that old line, in the way he gets defeated here. All his work is turned against him in a single moment, that leads the Doctor to greatly benefit and resemble the Master's biggest fear.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 06:30 PM

QUOTE(HellCat @ Nov 20 2011, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, I'm always amazed people fail to grasp that. Especially from a fanbase that will defend similar but even more wonky examples in other stories.


It's really poorly explained though, just a rushed line, from what I can remember. Good concept, not good execution, which is a shame.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 08:03 PM

Oh I understand the concept just fine. I still find it moronically stupid.
Don't fight it, it's coming for you, running at ya / It's only this moment, don't care what comes after
Your fever dream, can't you see it getting closer / Just surrender 'cause you feel the feeling taking over
It's fire, it's freedom, it's flooding open / It's a preacher in the pulpit and you'll find devotion
There's something breaking at the brick of every wall, it's holding All that you know
So tell me do you wanna go?

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 08:09 PM

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Don't fight it, it's coming for you, running at ya / It's only this moment, don't care what comes after
Your fever dream, can't you see it getting closer / Just surrender 'cause you feel the feeling taking over
It's fire, it's freedom, it's flooding open / It's a preacher in the pulpit and you'll find devotion
There's something breaking at the brick of every wall, it's holding All that you know
So tell me do you wanna go?

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 09:33 PM

QUOTE(Blueshift @ Nov 20 2011, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Love and Monsters was great, hush you!

Last of the Time Lords left me cold when I first saw it, mostly because of the bizarre decision to take Tennant out of the mix for most of the ep, when it was his interaction with Simm which made the previous ep so great.

The day is saved because the Master has used the Archangel network to low-level hypnotise the planet, so getting everyone to believe in the Doctor at the same time throws the system into reverse and lets the Doctor defeat the Master using his own methods. Unfortunately that part is mentioned so briefly it is easy to miss first time, so it looks like the Doctor is just using magic.


So how did the Doctor go from a shrunken ancient tiny dude in a bird cage back to full-sized, normal-aged dude? I recall there being some explanation, but I don't recall it making any sense.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 03:23 AM

QUOTE(Mouse_Pad @ Nov 20 2011, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Blueshift @ Nov 20 2011, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Love and Monsters was great, hush you!

Last of the Time Lords left me cold when I first saw it, mostly because of the bizarre decision to take Tennant out of the mix for most of the ep, when it was his interaction with Simm which made the previous ep so great.

The day is saved because the Master has used the Archangel network to low-level hypnotise the planet, so getting everyone to believe in the Doctor at the same time throws the system into reverse and lets the Doctor defeat the Master using his own methods. Unfortunately that part is mentioned so briefly it is easy to miss first time, so it looks like the Doctor is just using magic.


So how did the Doctor go from a shrunken ancient tiny dude in a bird cage back to full-sized, normal-aged dude? I recall there being some explanation, but I don't recall it making any sense.


Well, the Master had been using psychic hypnotism with the Archangel mobile phone satellite network to make the entire human race trust him, which somehow used the four drum beats of the Timelords he was hearing in his head, Martha was then sent by the Doctor around the world to get everyone to say and think the same thing at the same time one year to the day after the Master took over the Earth. Using the Archangel network in the opposite manner to how it was designed to work somehow, the Doctor was able to utilise this psychic energy and convert it, presumably to laser screw driver or Lazarus chamber form, using the same energy manipulation powers he'd used to remove the time vortex from Bad Wolf Rose, put the radiation in his shoe when he met Martha, and alter a lightning strike to convert the Human Daleks to Human Timelord Daleks. This somehow enabled him to not only reverse the being turned into a tiny goblin man thing, but also give him the powers of invulnerability, flight and bioluminescence.

That's the explanation, and no it doesn't make any sense.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 03:37 AM

Oh it makes perfect sense -- RTD is a jivey story teller.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 05:40 AM

Stuff HC thinks is good writing = Most everyone else finds terrible.

Stuff HC thinks is bad writing = Most everyone else loves.


Archangel powered Doctor is still a better conclusion then 'Time Vortex powered Rose'. At least it was actually seeded in the previous episode.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 01:50 PM

QUOTE(HellCat @ Nov 21 2011, 05:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Stuff HC thinks is good writing = Most everyone else finds terrible.

Stuff HC thinks is bad writing = Most everyone else loves.


Archangel powered Doctor is still a better conclusion then 'Time Vortex powered Rose'. At least it was actually seeded in the previous episode.


Eh, I don't mind Bad Wolf Rose, which was slightly foreshadowed with Boom Town showing the Tardis being able to intervene when she considered is necessary. However that's more due to it seeming to be just Rose being possessed by the Tardis, and Bad Wolf Rose being almost an early appearance of Sexy, hence normal rose not remembering it after.

Of course it's then retconned to Rose remembering it all, which I don't like, but that's true of pretty much everything involving rose.
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 02:03 PM

DWM has confirmed that Matt will be staying at least through the Christmas 2012 and 50th Anniversary specials... icon-hotrod.gif
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Y'see, even the Editor of the Enquirer has to draw the pun line somewhere, and you just obliterated that line with a big huge cannon filled with vast amounts of gunpowder.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 02:19 PM

QUOTE(Total Biscuit @ Nov 21 2011, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(HellCat @ Nov 21 2011, 05:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Stuff HC thinks is good writing = Most everyone else finds terrible.

Stuff HC thinks is bad writing = Most everyone else loves.


Archangel powered Doctor is still a better conclusion then 'Time Vortex powered Rose'. At least it was actually seeded in the previous episode.


Eh, I don't mind Bad Wolf Rose, which was slightly foreshadowed with Boom Town showing the Tardis being able to intervene when she considered is necessary. However that's more due to it seeming to be just Rose being possessed by the Tardis, and Bad Wolf Rose being almost an early appearance of Sexy, hence normal rose not remembering it after.

Of course it's then retconned to Rose remembering it all, which I don't like, but that's true of pretty much everything involving rose.


I know everyone always points out Boom Town, but I still personally find it doesn't satisfy me. RTD builts up this massive threat, the Daleks bearing down on future Earth with the Doctor stuck without any options. This is then resolved by making Rose omnipotent and having her turn the Dalek's into dust. It just feels like a cop out given how strong the story had generally been before that point.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 03:06 PM

QUOTE(HellCat @ Nov 21 2011, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Total Biscuit @ Nov 21 2011, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(HellCat @ Nov 21 2011, 05:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Stuff HC thinks is good writing = Most everyone else finds terrible.

Stuff HC thinks is bad writing = Most everyone else loves.


Archangel powered Doctor is still a better conclusion then 'Time Vortex powered Rose'. At least it was actually seeded in the previous episode.


Eh, I don't mind Bad Wolf Rose, which was slightly foreshadowed with Boom Town showing the Tardis being able to intervene when she considered is necessary. However that's more due to it seeming to be just Rose being possessed by the Tardis, and Bad Wolf Rose being almost an early appearance of Sexy, hence normal rose not remembering it after.

Of course it's then retconned to Rose remembering it all, which I don't like, but that's true of pretty much everything involving rose.


I know everyone always points out Boom Town, but I still personally find it doesn't satisfy me. RTD builts up this massive threat, the Daleks bearing down on future Earth with the Doctor stuck without any options. This is then resolved by making Rose omnipotent and having her turn the Dalek's into dust. It just feels like a cop out given how strong the story had generally been before that point.


Cop-outs are RTD's trademark.

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