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@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 08:28 AM)

Is there an English equivalent for what we Germans call "deductions in the B rating"? Context: Someone did something and suceeded on a technical level (as in, achieved the intended goal), but failed to some degree in the details, i.e. there was some collateral damage, or while a technical success, the end result is an aestetic failure. It can be used highly ironically, as in "barely achieved the intended goal, but failed so much in every aspect that's not purely technical that it might as well be considered an utter failure altogether." The German term is derived from the old judging syste in figure skating, which gave separate ratings for "technical merit" and "presentation", with the latter being the origin of the German term.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 November 2019 - 02:32 AM)

Huh. I did not know before today that "medieval" had an alternate spelling "mediaeval". Like "paleontology" and "palaeontology".

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 November 2019 - 04:15 PM)

'Beast Wars in underrated' the comment went. I exploded.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:19 PM)

Absolutely.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

So... you can look like a cop from the 70's AND a huge nerd at the same time?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:09 PM)

I feel like the best way to carry the Switch would be an under-arm torso holster.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 12:31 PM)

It's not. hell. If the 3DS zelda case just stretched a LITTLE more it would fit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 November 2019 - 03:38 AM)

I feel like the Switch Lite is a bit big to have hanging on your belt like that, but I don't take my Switch out with me often anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 01:13 AM)

I must be the only one who wants a switch lite case with a belt loop. o.O

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2019 - 03:03 PM)

I'm gonna have "Chainsaw Buffet" and "Candy For the Cannibal" by Lordi playing in my head all night.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Trick or treaters can only consent to cannibalism in Germania.

@  Sabrblade : (07 November 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Hey, if the trick or treaters can't take some loving insults, that's their problem.

@  Arazyr : (07 November 2019 - 11:39 AM)

Just make sure to put the leftovers in the fridge, so they don't get spoiled.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 11:10 AM)

I love children... but I can never eat a whole one.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 November 2019 - 09:52 AM)

I can neither confirm nor deny this allegation.

@  Paladin : (07 November 2019 - 09:46 AM)

...you don't roast the trick or treaters, do you....

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:38 AM)

A cold beer, a warm fire, some smores and trick or treaters... Man, you got this life thing down.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

That actually sounds pretty awesome.

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:59 AM)

we'll move to the open garage if it's raining

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:58 AM)

every Halloween since we got a house, TMM and I chill in the driveway with a fire bowl and roast things while handing out candy. It's pretty great.

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 November 2019 - 03:42 AM)

Peter Cullen voiced King Kong let that sink in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:42 PM)

I've noticed that after a year or two, though, people with children will start getting into it for their kids

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:41 PM)

I think a lot of the decline you see in Halloween is due to newcomers to Canada who don't really get it... I mean,there are only a handful of countries in the world that practice this particular oddity

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (06 November 2019 - 12:29 PM)

I recently attended a talk on Samhain and its associated mythology by a professor from Limerick.

@  Otaku : (06 November 2019 - 11:49 AM)

Trunk or Treats have become more popular because it is supposed to be safer, and even if it isn't, it just tends to be easier for the Trick-or-Treaters.

@  wonko the sane? : (06 November 2019 - 11:00 AM)

That's okay: between ever more extreme weather, ever more violent society, and general paranoia of parents: halloweens not doing to well out here either.

@  Anonymous X : (06 November 2019 - 09:30 AM)

We used to have Bonfire Night here in the UK as our thing instead of Halloween... It's withered away for the most part. Halloween used to be the strange American tradition you knew of from ET or various cartoons


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Posted 14 November 2011 - 06:12 PM

I'm just bitter today, and would probably agree with anything on the same wavelength.

I still don't get how everything was fixed up at the end of Wedding of River Song just like I still get hung up on the 'It's not a paradox' at the end of Big Bang.

Meanwhile, I bought 12 packs of the new wave of Doctor Who Minifigs, and got five Rory's, and two fishy vampire girls, but no River.
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Posted 14 November 2011 - 06:34 PM

QUOTE(Nanite @ Nov 14 2011, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I still don't get how everything was fixed up at the end of Wedding of River Song just like I still get hung up on the 'It's not a paradox' at the end of Big Bang.


Moffat likes playing with the Temporal aspects of the character. Basically, what happened in both Season 5 and 6 was the creation of alternate time lines where certain events did not happen. In Season 5, it was in response to the TARDIS self-destructing due to outside influence (And lets face it, a TARDIS going boom would cause some serious problems in the space time continuum. Especially one that's...no longer standard issue like the Doctor's). In Season 6, it's because River did not kill the Doctor, a fixed point in time that could not be avoided.

They are Paradoxes, but not in the sense of a daughter saving a dead father or holding her younger self. If you really want to get into the Technobabble territory, it's possible the reason the Reapers don't show up to eat everything is because the TARDIS prevents them since its stint as the Master's Paradox Machine (Which created the Year That Never Was).

At the end of the day...Wibbley, Wobbley, Timey, Whimey is the simplest explanation available.

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 05:23 PM

Moffat, please stop ripping off other stories for the Christmas specials. This is starting to go beyond 'homage' and into flat out lazy copying.

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 05:57 PM

I don't know, I kind of like classic Christmas stories being retold with a Doctor Who bent. It's a huge step up from RTD's "Normal episode that just happens to be set at Christmas" specials.

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 09:26 PM

Agreed. The RTD era Christmas specials weren't exactly festive. Indeed, it often was just an excuse to get murderous robots in Father Christmas outfits. Let's see some reason for the season.

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 10:55 PM

A narnia-themed christmas special seems fun.

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 02:31 PM

I consider it lazy coming from a man who did nothing but tell us how fresh and imaginative his tenure would be. The RTD specials aren't flawless but they're pretty much perfect for what they're meant to be, an extra episode that does some things you could only get away with on that one day of the year and something special for all the kids sitting down with their newly opened sonic screwdrivers and RC Daleks. I'll freely admit last year's special proved my initial doubts wrong but I really wish Moffat would do better. This is the one episode most people will see each year. What better time to showcase how original your show is?

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 03:05 PM

I adore last year's Christmas special. It borrowed the general theme from A Christmas Carol, but the story was wholly unique, both in terms of Christmas tales and Doctor Who. I don't have any reason to think that this year's episode will be any less creative.

Also, I've never read The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe, so I won't notice even if it is lacking originality.

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 04:46 PM

Last year's Christmas Special was amazing.
I'll take that over murderous implements in festive guise. That doesn't really make it a special, you could do that at any point during the season.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 02:50 AM

QUOTE(HellCat @ Nov 19 2011, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I consider it lazy coming from a man who did nothing but tell us how fresh and imaginative his tenure would be.

Perhaps it will also be "neon" and "playskool" icon-fire.gif
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Posted 20 November 2011 - 02:57 AM

QUOTE(HellCat @ Nov 19 2011, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I consider it lazy coming from a man who did nothing but tell us how fresh and imaginative his tenure would be.


I dunno, taking a recognizable Christmas Fable and doctoring it up (No pun intended) as to avoid both copyright infringement as well as retreading the same story ground would be fresh and imaginative.

If A Christmas Carol is any indication, this latest special is only going to bear a passing resemblance to The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe. Though I admit, I'm still miffed we never got to see the Egyptian Goddess running loose on the Orient Express in Space.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 07:47 AM

QUOTE(Rust @ Nov 20 2011, 02:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(HellCat @ Nov 19 2011, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I consider it lazy coming from a man who did nothing but tell us how fresh and imaginative his tenure would be.


I dunno, taking a recognizable Christmas Fable and doctoring it up (No pun intended) as to avoid both copyright infringement as well as retreading the same story ground would be fresh and imaginative.

If A Christmas Carol is any indication, this latest special is only going to bear a passing resemblance to The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe. Though I admit, I'm still miffed we never got to see the Egyptian Goddess running loose on the Orient Express in Space.


I'm talking partly from the viewpoint of someone whose family basically only watch one episode a year, the Christmas one. So it wouldn't matter what clever ideas we see across the regular season (and to be honest, I'm one of those finding Moffat's run to generally be lacking and self indulgent), if they see that one episode clearly ripping off something else that will completely colour their view on the show for the rest of the year.

Maybe it's a cultural thing, but none of the British fans I speak to seem to expect the Christmas episodes to be 'A Very Doctor Who Christmas'. Most were quite content to get the robot santas and killer trees whilst having a story that served as a fun bonus for the yearly run and snuck in a clue to the next season for the long term fans. Really, there's no reason for Moffat to keep going back to pre-established stories to tell his own. I'd like to think a writer of his talents can do better then make Doctor Who into a show that copies other scripts whilst throwing the word 'wibbley' in.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 09:28 AM

I...really don't see enough in that preview to say "this will be a Doctor Who adaptation of the Narnia story". It looks more like there are a couple of winking references in the setup and a title spoof. I think you're coming at this from a preexisting stance of disliking Moffat and that's coloring your perception.
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Posted 20 November 2011 - 09:35 AM

QUOTE(HellCat @ Nov 20 2011, 06:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm talking partly from the viewpoint of someone whose family basically only watch one episode a year, the Christmas one. So it wouldn't matter what clever ideas we see across the regular season (and to be honest, I'm one of those finding Moffat's run to generally be lacking and self indulgent), if they see that one episode clearly ripping off something else that will completely colour their view on the show for the rest of the year.


Your complaint is baseless. A Christmas Carol didn't rip off the Dickens story. It didn't have three spirits or a Tiny Tim. It borrowed the theme of trying to redeem a miserly old man, but the story was totally original.

And yeah, what Swift said. You clearly don't like what Moffat has done, and that's fine. You can like or hate whatever you want. But you're totally making things up to try to support your point of view.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 09:56 AM

How am I making stuff up? Look at that trailer, look at that title. The Narnia influence couldn't be more obvious. When that's what you're producing, it goes beyond simply being 'inspired' by. I never said this would be an exact line for line copy but when you obviously lift so much from elsewhere, it isn't wrong to expect better. Moffat is an industry professional and as such I'd expect something more imaginative. Why is taking him to task for lazy writing trashing the guy with a baseless argument?

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 10:00 AM

Because you haven't even seen the episode yet, Hellcat.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 10:04 AM

QUOTE(Unfair Fight @ Nov 20 2011, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because you haven't even seen the episode yet, Hellcat.


And that means I can't call them out for openly promoting the fact the episode is, in part, 'Doctor Who does Narnia'? I never claimed I've seen the episode, I'm just very dissapointed that under Moffat we can expect the Christmas specials to be 'Doctor Who does someone else's idea'.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 11:17 AM

I still maintain its better to get some actual Christmas Themed stories for the Christmas Special then what we got under RTD.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 11:28 AM

QUOTE(Rust @ Nov 20 2011, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I still maintain its better to get some actual Christmas Themed stories for the Christmas Special then what we got under RTD.


We'll all have different opinions, obviously. Personally, I liked the fact that the RTD Christmas episodes were all just fun romps that ocurred on Christmas Day. It allowed for pay offs like the joke in Voyage of the Damned when the Doctor starts lecturing on the spirit of the season and then stops himself when he realises Christmas for him always seems to involve disaster and mayhem. Really, with a show that's about a man who lives a life outside of what the audience considers normal, the idea of a traditional Christmas special (I know, someone will say 'Flying sharks are traditional?' for one) with forced emotion and such just seems wrong. Any other show or one off special can and have given us that.

But again, we all have different tastes.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 11:45 AM

Indeed. And to be completely fair, Voyage of the Damned was humorous in the aspect that it was stated London was evacuated mainly because something bad always happens on Christmas.

Though, in regards to lazy writing, Voyage of the Damned is guilty of this just as much as the current Moffat specials are. The Poseidon Adventure parallels and all that.



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