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@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:17 PM)

That was a quality read. Both sides of that thread's argument went pretty crazy.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 02:11 PM)

"When Beast Wars made Optimus a monkey nobody complained" ~ someone desperate for a 'gotcha'

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:05 PM)

I want to find the rock they've been under that there isn't constantly complaining about something.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:04 PM)

For the lack if a better word, it baffles me when someone starts a discussion somewhere that's like "Does anyone else not like the movies?"

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

Careful, it might have something to say about that.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

I'm gonna have to check your opinion out real good to make sure.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 11:55 AM)

Oppinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, but mine is better so shut up.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

To clarify on point 1 since I was typing early in the morning again, "you must hate exactly what I hate" and "you msut like exactly what I like" aren't actually the same statement but they're the same thought process which is "my opinions are objective facts." If you see someone espousing one, they're probably thinking the other, too.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:57 AM)

... what.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 AM)

Andrusi, I imagine to some people online, there isn't that much of a world of difference, at least going by the venom they post; although not at RiD specifically.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 08:55 AM)

The scale of liking and hating is an interval one so you can not like something but not hate it. Pretty sure there's apathy and dislike in between there at least.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 08:07 AM)

And humans are perfectly capable of hating things in unison while being divided on liking.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:34 AM)

On the other hand, there's a world of difference between "I hate RID" and "I hate Nazis."

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:27 AM)

On one hand, "hating what I hate" IS "liking what I like." One of those cultures can't be worse than the other because they're literally the same culture.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:26 AM)

I think that comparison is both an oversimplification AND a meaningless distinction.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 07:16 AM)

That's the internet effect. Distance and anonimity make for easy and consequence-less extremism.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 06:58 AM)

I think the aggressive "How dare you not hate exactly what I hate" culture online is worse than the aggressive "How dare you not like exactly what I like" culture.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 06:19 AM)

And now that song/scene and its many many parodies are running through my head.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 06:18 AM)

Patrick Swayze didnt!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:58 AM)

lol. As long as they knock first.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

Or as ghosts. I guess ghosts would be acceptable.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

For now, I'd just find some small comfort in knowing those who have passed actually are in some sort of better place.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:56 AM)

I'd find comfort in knowing that one way or another, that suffering would eventually end and a new, potentially happier beginning awaits.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:54 AM)

@LBD At the same time, I can't imagine wanting to stay in even a happy afterlife when fleshies are still suffering.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:49 AM)

Celebrating and welcoming death just gives them more ideological hoops to justify killing others. So yeah, no thanks.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

The idea of death doesn't bother me so much as no longer existing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

at the very least, my body will feed the grass which feeds the antelope which feeds the lio- ....wait

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Yeah, that's kind of the thing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Some cultures celebrate/welcome death (of course, those also have some form of afterlife)

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

You shouldn't be. What with having absolutely no knowledge or control over it.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

Death is scary, which is why we either spend our lives avoiding the subject or staying up late overthinking it.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

"Never did want to live forever." I'm more bothered about what -- if anything -- is next.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

Though I think the brain is a finite storage space so you'd probably start forgetting so much after some point it'd be like a new person transitioning in every few centuries. That'd be a good reason to keep a diary.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:43 AM)

I think immortality is possible biologically in the future, or at least living for vastly longer spans of time. I'd personally be happy to live at least a few thousand years, but I'd aim for forever.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:34 AM)

@MEDdMI Oh man, that bugs me all the time.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:33 AM)

Well, yesterday was a depressing bout of thinking I was going to get TR Hot Rod and then not getting TR Hot Rod after all (among other things).

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

Which is also something that bugs me about the "your dead loved ones are always watching you" concept. Do you mind? I'd like a little privacy, please!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:30 AM)

Even if it was possible, I can't help but think people would skip to the "good" parts, like sex.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

exactly.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 05:21 AM)

Besides the fact that it's all silly sci-fi scenarios, you can't just experience a memory and feel what that person felt since you have your own set of perceptual biases by which to judge the event

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 05:19 AM)

We already have something like that. It's called history class.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:18 AM)

"But in my ancestor's memory, they stole our orange first!"

@  Nevermore : (26 April 2017 - 05:14 AM)

"Your great-great-great-great-grandfather stole my great-great-great-great-grandfather's apple! I will kill you for that!"

@  Nevermore : (26 April 2017 - 05:14 AM)

If we had all our ancestors' knowledge, too many people would just use that as a excuse to continue old grudges for generations.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:13 AM)

I remember the same event a bit differently than my parents do, some things I'm sure happened but they don't remember or vice versa, etc.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:12 AM)

the problem with knowledge and memories is that our brains interpret/fill in gaps so it may not be completely accurate. It wouldn't be much different from autobiographical books/movies.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:37 AM)

yeah...this could just end up as a way for them to sell our grandkids Crystal Pepsi Max

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:35 AM)

Well, maybe this facebook mind reading thing I've been hearing about is the first step to that.... though I have to admit I'd prefer if it weren't such an advertising and data-collection obsessed company working on it

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:25 AM)

i'm legitimately hoping for the day when that happens, my snark aside, TM2-Megatron. Imagine what could be accomplished if future generations had first hand knowledge of the thoughts and contexts of the events that shaped their ancestors', and their own, world?

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:24 AM)

Even if it's just a way to download knowledge and memories without consciousness from a brain, I think that would go a long way towards easing people's minds.


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#1 Gridlock

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 02:34 PM

http://www.tfw2005.c...preview-173657/

How bad is it, when I actualy agree with Spike? ;P

Edited by Gridlock, 28 October 2011 - 02:38 PM.


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Posted 28 October 2011 - 03:24 PM

Roberts handled this entire decompressed, terrible little arc SO MUCH BETTER in a four issues miniseries and actually used Transformers in a Transformers comic to make his point.

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 06:00 PM

QUOTE(Gridlock @ Oct 28 2011, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
http://www.tfw2005.c...preview-173657/

How bad is it, when I actualy agree with Spike? ;P

I know, right?

#4 D.M

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 07:16 PM

Those 7 pages look so insanely dull that I just haven't got any will to read the dialog.

They just stand around talking... for 7 freaking pages! icon-wildride.gif

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 09:00 PM

QUOTE(D.M @ Oct 28 2011, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Those 7 pages look so insanely dull that I just haven't got any will to read the dialog.

They just stand around talking... for 7 freaking pages! icon-wildride.gif


I'd be willing to bet a good portion of the remaining pages go that way too. Costa clearly finds this all riveting.

-ZacWilliam, likely there'll be some breif action in there somewhere... Maybe... Right?

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 09:05 PM

Zac, you know better.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 02:06 PM

I'm sure there'll be room for a fight scene in which half the characters established to be present never appear on panel.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 03:49 PM

Comes across as dull, but not horrible.

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#9 LBD "Nytetrayn"

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:49 AM

I forget, who was it that was shown scrapped there?

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 04:08 AM

The one who was scrapped was Scrapper. Talk about irony.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 08:21 AM

What gets to me is no only that it's just seven pages of talking. But the dialogue itself is dull in some places.

Magnus especially.


I like that their getting into human and Autobot relations in a realistic way. But it shouldn't feel this dull or strained.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 02:49 PM

Is that supposed to be Ironfist's data-slug there on the table next to Spike?

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 05:48 PM

The problems you guys are having with this comic are problems that are happening all over comics. Don't get me wrong, I love BMB's stuff in TPB format, but if I had to read anything he wrote on a monthly basis I would go insane.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 05:54 PM

QUOTE(.Scourge. @ Oct 30 2011, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The problems you guys are having with this comic are problems that are happening all over comics.


Bull. 'Everyone else is doing it' should never be a valid defense. You know who writes comics that don't have those problems? James Roberts and John Barber, the guys we've been waiting to take over. The fact fan-preferred writers are coming on board should be the final nail for people insisting we should just sit back and accept an inferior product.

#15 Chip

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 05:54 PM

QUOTE(.Scourge. @ Oct 30 2011, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The problems you guys are having with this comic are problems that are happening all over comics. Don't get me wrong, I love BMB's stuff in TPB format, but if I had to read anything he wrote on a monthly basis I would go insane.

Thing is, I've been seeing a conscious move away from this crap from the Big Two; even from Bendis. Besides which, bad is bad regardless of whether it's bad in a trendy way.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 07:40 PM

With all the script gripes, there's not enough mention of how outstanding Brendan Cahill's art is. He does the robot faces so well. I hope IDW has a lot of work lined up for him.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 08:18 PM

Magnus feels really out of his IDW character here.

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 09:21 AM

I actually liked this preview. Yes it has the typical ongoing/Costa problems of pacing (A particularly lethargic snail being the most apt comparison) but the little morality slow burn here actually works. It's just it would have worked as part one of this interminable storyline.

I agree with Spike, which is somewhat surprising seeing as he's been a thoroughly unlikeable strawman throughout most of the run. I also find myself agreeing, at least slightly with Prowl/Jazz, so it's interesting that neither character is clearly in the right (or obviously in the wrong) here.

Magnus does feel a little off. It feels like they've removed the Tyrest Accord stick he's had in his aft for the past 28 or so issues. It doesn't quite work, the plan seems a little hot-headed to come from Magnus. If it was from Jazz, Rodimus or even Streetwise I could see it, but not IDW Magnus (Who's been one of my favorite characters in the run)

The art's great, I can tell who's who, it flows clearly with the action (well "action") of the preview. Be interesting to see fi it holds up when stuff actually happens.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 10:00 AM

QUOTE(Gridlock @ Oct 28 2011, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
http://www.tfw2005.c...preview-173657/

How bad is it, when I actualy agree with Spike? ;P


I said the same thing a few times - the way Prowl was written in the past IDW comics before Costa came along, he should be helping Spike to sweep the whole thing under the rug. Not to mention how internal human military matters are not really his responsibility.

Oh, and Costa never read AHM or its sequels? Skywatch killed off Thrust when he was buried under rubble, I guess that doesn't count as 'murder'. Neither did we hear about what happened to Agent Red and all his cronies, who, under the same organization, brainwashed and controlled Cybertronians, Grimlock included - something Prowl should find more worriesome. I wonder where ol' Grimmer is these days. Primus, I never thought I'd say this in the Furman days, but TF comics sure need a healthy dose of a well-written Grimlock now.

Edited by BB Shockwave, 02 November 2011 - 10:05 AM.


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Posted 02 November 2011 - 10:09 AM

QUOTE(Gridlock @ Oct 28 2011, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
http://www.tfw2005.c...preview-173657/

How bad is it, when I actualy agree with Spike? ;P


I'm not sure you're not supposed to. Not every writer depicts 100% villains and 100% heroes. This preview proves to me that the writer at least thinks Spike has a strong point.

Though, uh, I guess far be it from me to suggest that perceived moral depth isn't just some laughable mistake.