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@  unitremover : (22 February 2017 - 09:36 PM)

I haven't been up there in a while but one of the Walmarts around here still has AOE deluxes out. Some of the CVSs do too.

@  wonko the sane? : (22 February 2017 - 09:34 PM)

It's been the same thing in local stores for ages up here.

@  BlackMax : (22 February 2017 - 09:33 PM)

One near me is the same - I swear they have over forty Deluxes there, all from many months ago.

@  Telly : (22 February 2017 - 07:43 PM)

my walmart finally filled those empty tr pegs. and of course its a mix of waves one and 2 (wave 1.5?)

@  Steevy Maximus : (22 February 2017 - 07:11 PM)

Got Highbrow, Skullcrusher, Scourge, and Chromedome for $5 a piece

@  Steevy Maximus : (22 February 2017 - 07:10 PM)

My Walmart had a Generations Rattrap hanging for the past 2 and a half years, and in trying to clearance it, inadvertently marked down the entire Generations Deluxe assortment.

@  Steevy Maximus : (22 February 2017 - 07:09 PM)

A shelf warmer's ultimate revenge: being around long enough that in trying to clearance it...the store marks down the entire SKU!

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 February 2017 - 07:59 AM)

Eh, he would've gotten beaten up if the government sent just about anyone.

@  Pennpenn : (22 February 2017 - 07:56 AM)

Regardless, literally everything I've ever seen (and a lot on tfwiki) attributes Megatron's slide into violence to Whirl beating him up while in custody. Maybe not like flicking a switch but Megatron's line "You made me. You taught me words were weightless without force" kinda spells it out.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 February 2017 - 07:38 AM)

I'm not sure if there even was a specific turning point, but he didn't seem kill happy yet when he was with Terminus, and that was after Whirl beating him up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 February 2017 - 07:24 AM)

It was also before any sort of uprising or him actually doing much of anything.

@  Pennpenn : (22 February 2017 - 07:20 AM)

I mean, the whole thing didn't start as "the great war". It was an uprising that eventually morphed into a the war.

@  Pennpenn : (22 February 2017 - 07:17 AM)

Yeah, of course it's before the war, Whirl beating Megatron while he was in custody was the tipping point that made Megatron turn violent.

@  RC85747 : (22 February 2017 - 07:08 AM)

again

@  RC85747 : (22 February 2017 - 07:04 AM)

Forgot this wasn't a search bar

@  RC85747 : (22 February 2017 - 07:03 AM)

hascon

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 February 2017 - 05:12 AM)

But the thing with Whirl was before he started the war.

@  Pennpenn : (22 February 2017 - 03:28 AM)

Like so many awful things in that universe, it's basically Whirl's fault.

@  Telly : (22 February 2017 - 12:51 AM)

for about 10 minutes. then he got all kill happy

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (21 February 2017 - 10:27 PM)

Wouldn't IDW Megatron kind of count since his main reason for instigating the Great War was to overthrow the Functionist social order?

@  Black Hat : (21 February 2017 - 04:05 PM)

(I haven't read IDW at all please don't sue me)

@  Black Hat : (21 February 2017 - 04:04 PM)

Tyrest? He was chief justice, even :p

@  Bass X0 : (21 February 2017 - 03:24 PM)

I kinda want an Autobot to have the function of "Social Justice Warrior".

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 February 2017 - 12:20 PM)

Even we have limits.

@  Robowang : (21 February 2017 - 12:18 PM)

Good. But let's agree not to do one for Tecumseh.

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 February 2017 - 12:12 PM)

Shitting Bull.

@  Robowang : (21 February 2017 - 11:54 AM)

or spending a lot of time taking a Squatto?

@  Robowang : (21 February 2017 - 11:49 AM)

nice

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 February 2017 - 11:42 AM)

Just hope it's clean or you'll be meeting Pukeahontas.

@  Robowang : (21 February 2017 - 10:39 AM)

Snackajawea - REAL Native American food prepackaged for your snacking pleasure!

@  Pennpenn : (19 February 2017 - 04:03 AM)

Oh wait, figured it out. Doi...

@  Pennpenn : (19 February 2017 - 04:02 AM)

I'm kinda disappointed how they messed up Legion Bisk's hands so that his front wheels can't roll.

@  RichardT1977 : (19 February 2017 - 12:45 AM)

One of the Walmarts near me has some pegs full of Wave 1 TR deluxes.

@  Paladin : (18 February 2017 - 09:39 PM)

https://twitter.com/autobase_aichi/status/833142409005391872 ....is that an MP DINOBOT teaser?!?!

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 February 2017 - 09:35 PM)

Yeah, never seen a Titans Return Hot Rod

@  LBD "Nyt... : (18 February 2017 - 08:58 PM)

Or Hot Rod. D=

@  LBD "Nyt... : (18 February 2017 - 08:58 PM)

Wow, seriously? I don't think I've even seen him here. =(

@  Msol : (18 February 2017 - 07:50 PM)

Yeah Mindwipe shelfwarmed like crazy in Vancouver.

@  Steevy Maximus : (18 February 2017 - 07:36 PM)

My Walmart still has a Rattrap floating around. My frustration is I've seen Hot Rod and Doublecross, but still haven't seen a Highbrow

@  ShadowMan024 : (18 February 2017 - 07:02 PM)

I still haven't seen any Wave 3 Deluxes aside from the Triggerhappy I got off eBay.

@  Pennpenn : (18 February 2017 - 06:54 PM)

Fairly sure the Target near my work still has a CW Wheeljack hanging around the Wave 3 TR deluxes. Just wish we'd gotten Wave 2 deluxes...

@  ShadowMan024 : (18 February 2017 - 06:53 PM)

CW deluxes from the later waves clogged the shelves real bad.

@  ShadowMan024 : (18 February 2017 - 06:52 PM)

Correction: TR deluxes don't shelfwarm.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 February 2017 - 06:47 PM)

Generations deluxes don't shelfwarm.

@  Msol : (18 February 2017 - 06:30 PM)

Hm, interesting. Some of the pegs seem to have the correct names when they've been shelfwarming for a while. So like Mindwipe would be on a peg labelled MINDWIPE next to WOLFWIRE, etc.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 February 2017 - 06:30 PM)

It would make less sense to track individual figures when they're ordered by the assortment anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 February 2017 - 03:02 PM)

Nope. walmart tends to scan the first UPC of the assortment, then use it for the entire assortment. Actually tracking data makes to much sense.

@  Msol : (18 February 2017 - 02:37 PM)

So hey I bought Triggerhappy from Walmart a few days ago and just notice the receipt said TRIGGERHAPPY on it. Not the assortment name or whatever. Are they using this info to better track character sales or something?

@  unluckiness : (18 February 2017 - 07:13 AM)

I think there was a premonition panel in the Devil's Due TF vs JOEs

@  Bass X0 : (18 February 2017 - 05:28 AM)

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#61 DINOBOT SLUDGE

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 10:58 AM

That is assuming the demand for the Green ones was elastic and not flat. Which it was likely pretty flat.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 11:22 AM

I still kinda want a green one, but QC issues plus price plus the inability to get someone to go in on a set means that it likely will remain an exclusion to my collection.

Eh, maybe one day they'll have a fire sale to desperately try to clear stock and I'll have some pity on one of the online vendors.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 11:47 AM

I'm very torn - on the one hand, it does look pretty good, and Classics PMOP is #1 of my list of figures that I would kill for.

That being said, I have two concerns that prevent me from plopping down money for a pre-order:

1) Xovergen's last product sucked. Sorry, but it really did.

2) The fact that this was made for three different Primes really worries me. I question how well it will be able to hold Classics Prime in if it was also meant for the original PMOP Prime, and wonder how much better this would look if it were meant for Classics Prime only. I wonder how much this kit is trying to be all things to all people.

I'll wait for the reviews before I make a final judgement, but i'm definitely interested.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 11:53 AM

QUOTE(Asquian @ Mar 16 2012, 10:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I still kinda want a green one, but QC issues plus price plus the inability to get someone to go in on a set means that it likely will remain an exclusion to my collection.

Eh, maybe one day they'll have a fire sale to desperately try to clear stock and I'll have some pity on one of the online vendors.


Yeah, same here.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 01:05 PM

QUOTE(Magnus @ Mar 16 2012, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2) The fact that this was made for three different Primes really worries me. I question how well it will be able to hold Classics Prime in if it was also meant for the original PMOP Prime, and wonder how much better this would look if it were meant for Classics Prime only. I wonder how much this kit is trying to be all things to all people.


It's being all things for just me. I'll probably buy 3.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 02:51 PM

well I just measured and Powermaster Prime requires 2 1/4" of depth to lock into the original trailer... measuring from the arm hinges to the edges of the rear wheels ... G1 Prime, takes up the same amount of depth measuring from the edge of the dicast cab section to the back of the rear tires when the legs are folded up in a similar manner to PMPrime.

Classics prime (with the legs down as shown) is 3" even from the yellow arm accents to the front grill... with the gun/stacks attached adds another 1/4" so he sicks out an entire inch more already ...

yeah, there's just no way to avoid the big blue buttflap using the classics mold icon-screamer.gif

now my next question is... Will there be fold out trailer hitches so I can connect this between the G3 trailer and the TFCON Powered Commander set ? O_o because I will put down a preorder NOW to ensure that monstrawesome convoy
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:47 AM

QUOTE(Asquian @ Mar 16 2012, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I still kinda want a green one, but QC issues plus price plus the inability to get someone to go in on a set means that it likely will remain an exclusion to my collection.

Eh, maybe one day they'll have a fire sale to desperately try to clear stock and I'll have some pity on one of the online vendors.


BBTS did, finally, break up sets. And in short order dropped the price on the green one to something like $40-50 for varous clearance sales, which they appear to have done well on, since that's sold out, but they've got one Red and Blue still for sale ($90), and 11 of the original sets ($180).

http://www.bigbadtoy...search=xovergen

I got the green one, tried to transform it and enjoy it....and it was all just pure jive. Good ideas, but piss-poor execution. None of the stuff on the 'trailer' is secure to anything, etc, etc. It's still sitting in it's box in the spare room. Every now and then, I think about pulling it out and trying to fix it with some trimming or glue or nail polish, but I don't even know where to start.

This looks a lot simpler than Rolling Thunder was, and hopefully these guys have learned something, but I remain skeptical until it's reviewed. And they reevaluate their price and distribution structure.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 02:05 AM

QUOTE(ShinRa Inc @ Mar 17 2012, 01:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I got the green one, tried to transform it and enjoy it....and it was all just pure jive. Good ideas, but piss-poor execution. None of the stuff on the 'trailer' is secure to anything, etc, etc. It's still sitting in it's box in the spare room. Every now and then, I think about pulling it out and trying to fix it with some trimming or glue or nail polish, but I don't even know where to start.

I would echo everything about this, save still having it. I found a suckergood friend willing to buy it off me at cost.

I really wanted to like it... in theory a Rolling Thunder Prime is everything that I should like. But it was just horribly done and took up so much space on the shelf that I eventually couldn't stand it anymore.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 07:15 PM

Hopefully they've learned that quality is very "make or break" with these things as far as word of mouth goes, but it does worry me that this is trying to do too many things at once. I wouldn't mind it looking just a little more beefy, but if this is well-made, it would be a pretty welcome collection piece. A G1-style Powermaster Prime with all the bells and whistles is one of those things that I still can't help but think is really unlikely to get from Hasbro.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 10:18 PM

QUOTE(Jeremy @ Mar 17 2012, 07:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hopefully they've learned that quality is very "make or break" with these things as far as word of mouth goes, but it does worry me that this is trying to do too many things at once. I wouldn't mind it looking just a little more beefy, but if this is well-made, it would be a pretty welcome collection piece. A G1-style Powermaster Prime with all the bells and whistles is one of those things that I still can't help but think is really unlikely to get from Hasbro.


What's the deal with cheap plastic, anyway? The cheapo knockoffs use it, I guess, because they couldn't care less. But is there anything about different kinds of plastic that would require different equipment? Can Xovergen just run good plastic through their Rolling Thunder molds and get better Rolling Thunders? Or is there more to it?


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 11:44 PM

Rolling Thunders problems won't be solved by just changing the plastics. There's just a lot of unfortunate design decisions (There's just no fix for that thing hanging off his back without a full redesign), things that should peg together but don't (aka, the entire trailer in every mode and combination possible), and just tolerances all around.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 08:00 AM

The robot mode looks fine, but the alt mode looks like.. uh... nurflgrpft. And it's not really a good TF toy to me when one of the modes is basically an afterthought.

Add the huge price tag (I can't bring myself to type "potentially huge" when it is basically guaranteed to be) and the big likelihood of bad quality, and I'm out before there was ever an In.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 08:20 AM

QUOTE(ShinRa Inc @ Mar 16 2012, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Asquian @ Mar 16 2012, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I still kinda want a green one, but QC issues plus price plus the inability to get someone to go in on a set means that it likely will remain an exclusion to my collection.

Eh, maybe one day they'll have a fire sale to desperately try to clear stock and I'll have some pity on one of the online vendors.


BBTS did, finally, break up sets. And in short order dropped the price on the green one to something like $40-50 for varous clearance sales, which they appear to have done well on, since that's sold out, but they've got one Red and Blue still for sale ($90), and 11 of the original sets ($180).

http://www.bigbadtoy...search=xovergen

I got the green one, tried to transform it and enjoy it....and it was all just pure jive. Good ideas, but piss-poor execution. None of the stuff on the 'trailer' is secure to anything, etc, etc. It's still sitting in it's box in the spare room. Every now and then, I think about pulling it out and trying to fix it with some trimming or glue or nail polish, but I don't even know where to start.

This looks a lot simpler than Rolling Thunder was, and hopefully these guys have learned something, but I remain skeptical until it's reviewed. And they reevaluate their price and distribution structure.



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QUOTE(ShinRa Inc @ Mar 17 2012, 01:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I got the green one, tried to transform it and enjoy it....and it was all just pure jive. Good ideas, but piss-poor execution. None of the stuff on the 'trailer' is secure to anything, etc, etc. It's still sitting in it's box in the spare room. Every now and then, I think about pulling it out and trying to fix it with some trimming or glue or nail polish, but I don't even know where to start.

I would echo everything about this, save still having it. I found a suckergood friend willing to buy it off me at cost.

I really wanted to like it... in theory a Rolling Thunder Prime is everything that I should like. But it was just horribly done and took up so much space on the shelf that I eventually couldn't stand it anymore.

Thanks for these, I think I'll just take this thing off the want list altogether then. But I'll keep my eye on trailerforce for now.

Edited by Asquian, 18 March 2012 - 08:20 AM.


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Posted 18 March 2012 - 07:50 PM

Honestly, there was nothing especially wrong with charging what they did for a figure of that size, or even for one that might have ended up smaller. That's not unreasonable for a custom product with a limited run. It's just their engineering really fell down.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 11:20 AM

Most of the price complaints are two-fold; The quality is not worth what they charged, and their insistance at selling a pair of them.

Even if it had been Fansproject-quality, the requirement of buying two of these things for a total cost of $180 was not a wise decision. Just like how FunPub couldn't sell off their Astrotrains on a "Buy one, get one free basis"; They only sold when they finally halved the price in general.

There are odd collectors who want (and can afford) duplicates of big-ticket items like that, but they are not the majority of the consumer-base for these things.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 10:35 PM

QUOTE(Magnus @ Mar 16 2012, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2) The fact that this was made for three different Primes really worries me. I question how well it will be able to hold Classics Prime in if it was also meant for the original PMOP Prime, and wonder how much better this would look if it were meant for Classics Prime only. I wonder how much this kit is trying to be all things to all people.

Yeah, this is another sticking point for me. I'd prefer that a company just pick one Prime, whether it be the Classics deluxe or voyager, I don't care either way, and do it well. We already know Xovergen can't deliver on something overly ambitious, so why do the same thing again?

QUOTE(Rosicrucian @ Mar 18 2012, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Honestly, there was nothing especially wrong with charging what they did for a figure of that size, or even for one that might have ended up smaller. That's not unreasonable for a custom product with a limited run. It's just their engineering really fell down.

I think the general impression was that Xovergen seemed to be cutting corners to wring every last penny from that price and it backfired.
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 10:51 PM

QUOTE(Spark @ Mar 19 2012, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Magnus @ Mar 16 2012, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2) The fact that this was made for three different Primes really worries me. I question how well it will be able to hold Classics Prime in if it was also meant for the original PMOP Prime, and wonder how much better this would look if it were meant for Classics Prime only. I wonder how much this kit is trying to be all things to all people.

Yeah, this is another sticking point for me. I'd prefer that a company just pick one Prime, whether it be the Classics deluxe or voyager, I don't care either way, and do it well. We already know Xovergen can't deliver on something overly ambitious, so why do the same thing again?


I kinda wonder how far in advance they planned it, or if while doing the planning they realized that G1 and PM Prime would also fit in the space? Almost like how G1 fitting in the original wasn't planned, but ends up working.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 07:41 AM

gotta admit that thing does *look* pretty spiffy

here's hoping the quality doesnt suck



[and if it doesnt i hope they're wanting to do a godbomber-like add on kit. that thing would look sweet with some beefed up lower legs, a new chest piece, and some epic wings]

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 03:04 PM

I am disappointed by the colors matching the Henkie Toy rather than the Classics toy but only a little bit because I may not even get this.