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@  wlg3 : (28 April 2017 - 01:15 AM)

I really enjoy the creative sub forums of TFW, though, like their kitbash and fan art forums. The creative forums have lots of talented, friendly people and is an active, supportive community.

@  wlg3 : (28 April 2017 - 01:13 AM)

Gotta agree with Evac... TFW has a lot of cool, talented people, but they're overwhelmingly outnumbered by unbearable neckbeards

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:20 PM)

I do enjoy the TFW podcast. and that subforum's usually very civil. It's the best place to actually talk about TFers there :D also the Radicons forum is ok if you just like looking at kitbash pr0n

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 PM)

There's some cool people on the site, thankfully. It's just the morons tend to outnumber them... Which is generally the rule on most forums thanks to the GIFT.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:17 PM)

In all honesty, the better parts of the site are the non-TF parts.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

yeah, and their love of 3p is just...i don't get it.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:03 PM)

TFW can be... literal with the rules sometimes. Like, a discussion about favorite human characters gets LOCKED if you mention Agent Fowler because "all Prime discussion belongs in the RiD forums".

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:48 PM)

Also, as far as TFW's No Politics goes...it's nice in theory but then you end up with the current IDW stories that lean HEAVILY into politics and religion. I've had more than a few lengthy posts exploring the parallels between the IDW Decepticon movement and various real world socialist movements deleted because it was technically "politics." So hug 'em. I really only visit there these days to poke around the podcast subforum.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:45 PM)

My person canon is that the Quintessons created Cybertron as a factory to make the TFers as mechs, but they became self aware and they revolted. then Cybertronian society began to develop and the events of the revolt became mythologised as the stories of the Knights of Cyberton, the Thirteen, etc...real events that became the basis for religion, essentially.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 09:34 PM)

Timeout. Does it convert?

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

.... Wait I think those are actually ninjas

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

Fact: Transformers are mammals. Fact: The purpose of a Transformer is to flip out and kill people

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 06:54 PM)

Transformers are alien space robots from space.]

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:49 PM)

Transformers believe they were created by <X>, others believe they were created by <Y> and/or <Z>. There are lots of theories, disagreements but ultimately nobody knows for sure.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 05:11 PM)

Squid robits build machines. Machines decide they had enough of that and kicked the squid robits off the planet. Everything's pretty chill for a while until machines get mad for dumb reasons and break the planet. THE END

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 04:22 PM)

Primus created Cybertron and The Thirteen. Then later, the Quintessons come to the planet they call Seibertron and use Primus' power; the plasma energy chamber to forge military robots Destrons and consumer robots Cybertrons. The Cybertrons and Destrons rise up and drive the Quintessons away but are unable to live in peace with each other. And so the Cybertron population become the Autobot army and the Destrons become Decepticons, with the Autobots renaming their planet Cybertron. Far far later still, bacteria that was present on the asteroid Primus imprisoned himself within has evolved into organic life within Cybertron...

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:35 PM)

But aside from the ending Trent and Siph made for them at FunPub, the 3H Wreckers comics kinda sucked.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:34 PM)

That's what the 3H Wreckers comics kind of did, actually.

@  wonko the sane? : (27 April 2017 - 03:30 PM)

So, what? The maker of the makers kinda thing?

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 02:55 PM)

My fanon is both the Quintesson and Primus origins. They're compatible.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 02:37 PM)

I prefer the profile book/movie interpretation of the Quintessons, a race whose entire purpose is to capture and execute those who escape Unicron.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 02:03 PM)

I like the Quintesson origin partly because it's a twist on the robot revolution cliche, partly because of the irony of a people uniting against their own creators just to fall into endless civil war, and mostly because i just really like the Quintessons themselves.

@  Diecast : (27 April 2017 - 12:03 PM)

I preferred the Primus origin until it became the more common origin, fiction wise.

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

Since the analogy to humans isn't perfect, it could also be interpreted as closer to "maternity ward."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

I think the most unfortunately named Transformer in their society would probably be Hot Spot, which is like having a human named "Placenta."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

Confusing, I bet.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:58 AM)

I wonder what everyday Transformer society is like where half the population are named after common objects and stuff...

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 April 2017 - 10:53 AM)

I bet Gears hates this.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 AM)

Naturally occuring gears! (hey, if bugs can do it...)

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:00 AM)

They're both better than the Primus origin.

@  unluckiness : (27 April 2017 - 09:56 AM)

The Allspark sucks. I much prefer the quintessons origin.

@  Dracula : (27 April 2017 - 07:23 AM)

I hate the allspark! That's why it's been the only TF forum I've bothered with for almost 10 years!

@  Robowang : (27 April 2017 - 07:13 AM)

As much as I pick on us, that's a really big reason why I like it here too. Plus the traffic isn't so heavy that anything you post gets lost in five minutes.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:00 AM)

The Allspark is one of the first Transformers sites I've been to where there's no weird hero worship of the staff or two or three staffers who are weirdly aggressive about certain transformers related topics and never fail to show it. This is probably the first site in my near two decades in the fandom I can post and not feel I'm a few steps away from falling afoul of some unwritten rule that will cause people to pile on, so yay Allspark.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

*pops in* "Hm, I wonder where the conversation has gone since last night..." *reads* "...huh. I did not see any of that coming."

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

*apart!

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

This board has provided me with the only RP campaign that didn't fall a

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 05:17 AM)

So what? We're disciples of Primus and they're disciples of Unicron?

@  lastmaximal : (27 April 2017 - 04:26 AM)

I'm really not surprised.

@  Nevermore : (27 April 2017 - 04:16 AM)

Well, the users over on TFW in return accuse the Allspark of being an elitist clique that ostracizes everyone who doesn't act like they do (i.e. civil), whereas TFW is more welcoming to everyone regardless of their views.

@  Pennpenn : (27 April 2017 - 03:23 AM)

Hard G. I don't give a solitary shit what the creators call it, the first word in the acronym is "Graphical". I have no idea why they'd think any sane human could, would, or should pronounce it any other way.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 03:13 AM)

I acknowledge what the creators say, but whether I remember to use their pronunciation or not is hit or miss. Heck, I think I usually think of it in my head as "gee-i-ef", in parallel to "JPG" and "PNG".

@  Waspinator : (27 April 2017 - 02:50 AM)

Let's heat things up: what are everyone's opinions on how GIF should be pronounced?

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:11 PM)

But I will say that a lot of fandom forums are generally more tolerable nowadays because most belligerent types stick to Facebook groups

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:09 PM)

I do like their hard no-politics rule. Now that I do the occasional freelance writing for some local politics and I like zero percent of it my hobby space now. But holy cow, do they replace it with neck beard drama.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 10:30 PM)

like Noideaforaname I posted on TFW for a while. I came here after I got harassed for daring to suggest that Play With This Too was run by unoriginal hacks, and yeah. This place so much more preferable.

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

And you're turning us on

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

The terrible secret of the Allspark: We all have this twisted fetish for rational thought processes

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

Not everyone likes everything, and people aren't blind to shortfalls or annoyances resulting from constraints of how the brand is handled. We make many a joke out of these things. But it's a rare thing when entitlement replaces logic on here, where that seems to be poster raison d'etre everywhere else.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:11 PM)

It's utterly weird how these here boards seem so impervious an oasis when it comes to that depth of idiocy. Worshipping 3p and demanding the official companies "step it up" and stop being so lazy? Insisting the movies be done THEIR way, crapping on every single thing revealed about the films or toyline, then whining that they can't find (insert hot movie to here) or the official release of a movie figure doesn't capture the look in the film they hated? Etc


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#1 Nanite

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 10:35 AM

Started because the Avengers thread was drifting.

Warener Brothers was rumored to be rebooting Batman ASAP after Dark Knight Rises, and trying to work towards a JLA movie.

Green Lantern's failure probably hasn't helped that goal, and who knows if there will be any DC Universe elements to the next Superman movie.
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Posted 13 October 2011 - 10:48 AM

just give me a Booster movie with Billy West as Skeets

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 11:19 AM

QUOTE(Nanite @ Oct 13 2011, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Started because the Avengers thread was drifting.

Warener Brothers was rumored to be rebooting Batman ASAP after Dark Knight Rises, and trying to work towards a JLA movie.

Green Lantern's failure probably hasn't helped that goal, and who knows if there will be any DC Universe elements to the next Superman movie.


No. In fact, they're looking at a double Batman Reboot (at least last I heard)...one for stand alone movies, one for the JLA movie line.
Same with Superman.


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QUOTE(Database @ Oct 12 2011, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Makes me wonder if Marvel character's are just more marketable or if Warner just sucks trying to produce any live action comic that isn't grim/serious tone.


Much more the later.

DC...well WB has career suits in charge for the most part. A lot of the hell DC Movies have had is that Jon Peters, a schmuck producer who gained lots of in studio power, essentially attached himself as the guy for superhero movies after Batman 89 made so much cash. If you've read about Kevin Smith's Superman attempt, Peters is the one who wanted Superman to fight Polar Bears. (He's also why the Wild Wild West movie was so bad..and why there was a giant spider...he's into that).

But besides him, there's the corporate culture of "Well it worked once, so it'll work bunches". thus, Dark Superman, because, hey, Dark Knight made tons of cash.

And they have casting issues. Not like Ryan Reynolds...he's fine for the Hal they were writing, who's DC Vp's version of Hal as studly playboy, banging teenage chicks.. (Not every one else's version of Hal, who of course is Renolds' pal, Nathon Fillion). No, it's problems
like in a cast featuring Morgan Freeman, Ken Watanabe, Liam Neeson, and Michael Cain, they put Katie Holmes as the female lead.

Or Blake Lively, or whatever the flavor of the month WB girl who was Lois in Superman Returns. I'm not sold on Amy Adams, but the Muppets seem to be giving her a thumbs up.



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Posted 13 October 2011 - 11:39 AM

Peters is still at WB? I thought he was done?!

Bummer.

My favorite Peters quote: “I’ve never really read a book,” he said. “But have I got stories.”

http://www.thewrap.c...backstory-13944

I have no idea how much of his story, or the stories around him are fabricated, but the guy does seem like a complete jerkbag.

And I thought he wanted Brainiac to fight polar bears, and Superman to fight a giant (mechanical?) spider. icon-screamer.gif icon-fire.gif

Edited by Nanite, 13 October 2011 - 11:44 AM.

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 12:21 PM

QUOTE(Nanite @ Oct 13 2011, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Peters is still at WB? I thought he was done?!

Bummer.

My favorite Peters quote: ?I?ve never really read a book,? he said. ?But have I got stories.?

http://www.thewrap.c...backstory-13944

I have no idea how much of his story, or the stories around him are fabricated, but the guy does seem like a complete jerkbag.

And I thought he wanted Brainiac to fight polar bears, and Superman to fight a giant (mechanical?) spider. icon-screamer.gif icon-fire.gif


You may be right...I think you are in fact..it was along the lines of Braniac storms the Fortress of Solitude after the death of Superman.
JP: "Let's have Braniac fight someone."
KS: "There's no one there it's the Fortress of Solitude."
JP: "Maybe there's guards there."
KS "It's Superman's Fortress of Solitude."
JP: "......Hey, I saw a show on Discovery about how tough polar bears are. Let's have him fight some polar bears!"
KS: "......sigh"

And yeah, the Giant Spider is the same one that shows up for WWW.

I think Peters is gone, or at least is no longer the problem with DC movies, I offered him as historical evidence. But his spiritual descendents are there.

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 12:33 PM

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(Not every one else's version of Hal, who of course is Renolds' pal, Nathon Fillion).

I still don't get why people think he would make a great Hal.

He's more Guy than hal any day.



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JP: "Let's have Braniac fight someone."
KS: "There's no one there it's the Fortress of Solitude."
JP: "Maybe there's guards there."
KS "It's Superman's Fortress of Solitude."

What I find funny is that the fortress of solitude in All Star Superman had lots of robots walking around.

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 01:05 PM

Marvel has done an excellent job picking directors for their properties, and I wish WB would take the same risks with DC movies.

It paid off with Nolan, and Snyder could be great. It's going to be a huge challenge both getting him to do the over-the-top spectacle he is known for, while also delivering an interesting plot and characters. I'm not saying it's impossible, just unlikely.

I wish WB would hire Edgar Wright for something, he would have been perfect for Green Lantern.
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Posted 13 October 2011 - 01:32 PM

You know Green Lantern did well enough to warrant a sequel, right?

Because they're working on a Green Lantern sequel.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 13 October 2011 - 02:06 PM

QUOTE(Detour @ Oct 13 2011, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know Green Lantern did well enough to warrant a sequel, right?

Because they're working on a Green Lantern sequel.


I know they've said that, but unless it does gangbusters on home video, I think it's just posturing. The numbers on it cost $300 mil with advertising, and it's only made $200 mil worldwide.

With those numbers, a sequel will be made as cheaply as possible, which doesn't give me hope.
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Posted 13 October 2011 - 11:06 PM

QUOTE(Nanite @ Oct 13 2011, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know they've said that, but unless it does gangbusters on home video, I think it's just posturing. The numbers on it cost $300 mil with advertising, and it's only made $200 mil worldwide.

With those numbers, a sequel will be made as cheaply as possible, which doesn't give me hope.

I don't know, not having the budget for dorky unnecessary CGI costumes would be a godsend.
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Posted 13 October 2011 - 11:13 PM

QUOTE(Fishbug @ Oct 13 2011, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Nanite @ Oct 13 2011, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know they've said that, but unless it does gangbusters on home video, I think it's just posturing. The numbers on it cost $300 mil with advertising, and it's only made $200 mil worldwide.

With those numbers, a sequel will be made as cheaply as possible, which doesn't give me hope.

I don't know, not having the budget for dorky unnecessary CGI costumes would be a godsend.


True 'dat.
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Posted 13 October 2011 - 11:13 PM

QUOTE(Nanite @ Oct 14 2011, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Fishbug @ Oct 13 2011, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Nanite @ Oct 13 2011, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know they've said that, but unless it does gangbusters on home video, I think it's just posturing. The numbers on it cost $300 mil with advertising, and it's only made $200 mil worldwide.

With those numbers, a sequel will be made as cheaply as possible, which doesn't give me hope.

I don't know, not having the budget for dorky unnecessary CGI costumes would be a godsend.


True 'dat.

Verily.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 14 October 2011 - 10:00 AM

QUOTE(Nanite @ Oct 13 2011, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Marvel has done an excellent job picking directors for their properties, and I wish WB would take the same risks with DC movies.

It paid off with Nolan, and Snyder could be great. It's going to be a huge challenge both getting him to do the over-the-top spectacle he is known for, while also delivering an interesting plot and characters. I'm not saying it's impossible, just unlikely.

I wish WB would hire Edgar Wright for something, he would have been perfect for Green Lantern.


Martin Cambell was a fine choice for GL. With Golden Eye, Casino Royale, Mask of Zorro...heck he did the Lovecraftian Noir movie Cast a Deadly Spell..., he's a really good choice for launching a superhero.

This was Producer/exec fail..not Director.

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 04:51 AM

QUOTE(Scavgraphics @ Oct 14 2011, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Nanite @ Oct 13 2011, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Marvel has done an excellent job picking directors for their properties, and I wish WB would take the same risks with DC movies.

It paid off with Nolan, and Snyder could be great. It's going to be a huge challenge both getting him to do the over-the-top spectacle he is known for, while also delivering an interesting plot and characters. I'm not saying it's impossible, just unlikely.

I wish WB would hire Edgar Wright for something, he would have been perfect for Green Lantern.


Martin Cambell was a fine choice for GL. With Golden Eye, Casino Royale, Mask of Zorro...heck he did the Lovecraftian Noir movie Cast a Deadly Spell..., he's a really good choice for launching a superhero.

This was Producer/exec fail..not Director.



How come when it's a director people like.... it's always the "Producer/execs" but when it's a director people don't like it's always the "Director"?

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 07:12 AM

Don't forget that Warner Bros/DC Ent also has a Flash film that has been in development for the past several years. The script for Green Lantern 2 was green lighted last winter and I assume the writers have started working on it despite getting a green light from the studio. There was rumours in the summer time of a "Hawkman" film entering development and that DC Ent was looking at Tom Welling of all people to star in something. "Green Arrow: SuperMax" seems to have entered into development hell. At one point the Green Arrow part was tossed out completely. They really do need to get their act together and come up with a definitively executable plan like Marvel Studios has right now. You don't need to duplicate it exactly but you need to come up with something because other than Batman and hopefuly "Man of Steel" you've got nothing right now. They really were hoping that "Green Lantern" was a smash hit.

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 07:22 AM

QUOTE(Nanite @ Oct 13 2011, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Detour @ Oct 13 2011, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know Green Lantern did well enough to warrant a sequel, right?

Because they're working on a Green Lantern sequel.


I know they've said that, but unless it does gangbusters on home video, I think it's just posturing. The numbers on it cost $300 mil with advertising, and it's only made $200 mil worldwide.

With those numbers, a sequel will be made as cheaply as possible, which doesn't give me hope.


Wouldn't they lose just as much money if they had to restart Green Lantern from scratch?

Sticking with the established but critically disappointing universe might actually be the safer option.
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Posted 17 October 2011 - 12:06 PM

QUOTE(Paladin @ Oct 15 2011, 05:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Nanite @ Oct 13 2011, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Detour @ Oct 13 2011, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know Green Lantern did well enough to warrant a sequel, right?

Because they're working on a Green Lantern sequel.


I know they've said that, but unless it does gangbusters on home video, I think it's just posturing. The numbers on it cost $300 mil with advertising, and it's only made $200 mil worldwide.

With those numbers, a sequel will be made as cheaply as possible, which doesn't give me hope.


Wouldn't they lose just as much money if they had to restart Green Lantern from scratch?

Sticking with the established but critically disappointing universe might actually be the safer option.


Sounds logical, and there's precedent with GI Joe getting a sequel without a big profit.

But the poor reaction to GL by critics and audiences could also mean that a direct sequel bombs even harder.

But what do I know, we don't get paid bazillions to work in Hollywood.

On Martin Cambell: I love, love, love Mask of Zorro, but I am really lukewarm on his Bond outings, and activley dislike most of his other stuff. I just felt like he wasn't into GL at all. There was of course major studio rejiggering, so it will be interesting to see if there's a Directors cut released at some point.

Wathced the Richard Donner Superman over the weekend. More fun then I remembered, but about a half hour to long. I felt sorry for Ned Beatty.
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Posted 18 October 2011 - 10:03 AM

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How come when it's a director people like.... it's always the "Producer/execs" but when it's a director people don't like it's always the "Director"?


Because you never blame the people you like.

And because you blame who's influence is heaviest.

Why does Joel Schumaker get the blame for Batman and Robin and not Avika Goldman who wrote it or the producers who said "We want funny"

Cambell has a track record that GL is an aberration of. Given what we know of WB execs flailing at the superhero market, the poorly managed launch of the DCnU is a sign of that, blame gets put where blame gets put.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 11:01 AM

I still think Green Arrow: Super Max could be rather awesome. Green Arrow is already Libertarian Tony Stark cosplaying as Robin Hood and without his Batman rivalry (Arrowcave, Arrowcar!) and other DCU things for him to bounce off and make interesting that setting just works gangbusters.

Now the Flash movie...



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Posted 18 October 2011 - 12:05 PM

That comic was brought to you by drugs.


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