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[CT-5555]

I guess I just missed the dynamic of the kids chatting with their digimon partners. That wasn't possible with S4 because they didn't have partners.

Call me old fashioned

[Eneon]

I wish it was easier to get behind-the-scenes info for digimon. Sure we've gotten some stuff about specific shows and video games, but I'm talking about the franchise as a whole.

What's the story behind the Royal Knights and the other special groups? Yggdrasil and the X-antibody Digimon? stuff like that.

I feel like Transformers has spoiled me in that regard. The fandom has a pretty translucent relationship with Hasbro, and we get interviews every few months with the Takaratomy guys. It is pretty awesome.

That I actually liked better, because then the kids were less cheerleaders and got more involved.

I guess that's part of why I like Xros Wars so much, because Taiki and Kiriha often get their hands dirty, and hell Zenjirou even swung a sword about.

Zenjirou straight out killed a digimon.

I guess that's part of the reason why I liked Savers, or Masaru specifically.
Character wise he's a bit too into gender roles, but he sure knows how to jump inhumanly high and clock digimon in the face.

edit: Now I want a fully articulated figure of Masaru. Out of all the humans in Digimon he's probably the most deserving of one.
Preferably with his outfit from the second half of the show.

Edited by Silent_Magnus, 05 September 2011 - 10:00 AM.

[Tyranno]

There won't be a digimon corner today guys, as there's some stuff I really need to finish first.

sorry.

[TM2-Megatron]

Is there any particular reason why most Digimon merchandise is incredibly overpriced nowadays?

I know a lot of the stuff is hard to find (particularly the Japanese versions everyone considers superior) but I don't think any other franchise has a markup rate like Digimon toys.

I'm not sure when it started, but from what I've read it seems to have begun with a few sellers around Asia (not Japan; Japanese sellers always had the most reasonable eBay prices for Digimon stuff back then), where a lot of this merchandise was produced and still resides in excess quantities, inflating the values of their auctions over some period of time. At this point, especially for the older seasons' merchandise, those auctions are mostly the only ones left so they can sell at whatever price they want (and people creating new listings, who perhaps search eBay for similar stuff to gauge what price they should set, usually seem to use those as a basis now as well). Most sit around for months having to be relisted again and again, but eventually someone with more money than sense will come along and buy something; and that keeps it going. Then another of the same, or a similar item with a different version number, is listed in its place at an equally absurd price.

I'm glad I got anything Digimon I may've wanted years ago, when you could pick up a brand new Japanese D-3 or D-Ark for no more than $50, usually including shipping. Now, you'd be lucky if you could get something like that for less than $130 (and most are used). And it's not always even the Japanese stuff that's the most overpriced. Take this thing:

http://www.ebay.com/...=item415c531f7e

A pretty craptacular Bandai Asia/America D-3; nearly $400. Ugly as sin, too... those colours . All things considered, you'd be better off buying its Japanese equivalent, listed from the same scammer/seller for $180 less:

http://www.ebay.com/...=item415c531fc2

[Paladin]

I always preferred the "digivolving" stuff when it came to toys. Which is a shame because that seems to have the greatest markup of all.


Case in point:

http://www.ebay.com/...9#ht_1716wt_952

[Tyranno]

It pains me that we don't have and likely will never have ShineGreymon merchandise.

[Mugen no Ken]

I remember at Botcon, I saw one table with some Digimon stuff tucked away to the side. Now, the TF stuff there wasn't TOO terrible from my recollection... a bit higher than I'd like to pay, but not to a point of me turning and walking away from the table laughing.

The Digimon stuff - all loose - was HORRENDOUSLY overpriced. It kind of boggled my mind.

[Eneon]

I always preferred the "digivolving" stuff when it came to toys. Which is a shame because that seems to have the greatest markup of all.


Case in point:

http://www.ebay.com/...9#ht_1716wt_952

Oh, wow. Switch that from $ to ￥ and I would think about.
I have most of those, and even $100 for all of them seems like it would be pushing it.

If I were to track down any of the older stuff it would probably be the Japanese Armor guys.
Since the US toys were completely different.

Edited by Silent_Magnus, 05 September 2011 - 03:37 PM.

[Tyranno]

They made a Garudamon? Neat.

[Copper Bezel]

I recommend Ryuu Rogue for subs then.

The torrent was down, it seems, but thanks for the link and the advice. The dub, which I did start watching, is pretty unbearable, and I imagine all the flat exposition of things that happened five minutes ago probably comes from the dub writers. I think it's a little too burning-courage-and-miniskirts for me, in any case (reminding me a bit of Mobile Fighter G Gundam, actually*) but it's kind of neat.

I mainly lost interest when the kids themselves started turning into Digimon, or they'd biologically merge with their Digimon partner.

I didn't have a problem with it in Tamers. It seemed like a natural extension of the kids' being their partners' source of power and the emotional links they had, and it meant that the kids had to have some skin in the game. I loved the hell out of the voice effect, too.

I'm glad to have it verified that there's an Evangelion influence, incidentally.

Edit:

* Which actually explains "Shining Greymon" rather nicely. Huh.

Edited by Copper Bezel, 05 September 2011 - 04:10 PM.

[Tyranno]

Coincidentally, Savers head writer worked on G Gundam!

And I dunnow. The "burning heart" stuff was the key to evolution in all the other series. Here they just dropped the pretense and built a character around it.

Edit - It's ShineGreymon actually. You get the them when you see his previous form is called RIZE(as in "Rise")Greymon.

Edited by Razorsaw, 05 September 2011 - 04:12 PM.

[Copper Bezel]

And I dunnow. The "burning heart" stuff was the key to evolution in all the other series. Here they just dropped the pretense and built a character around it.

True, and I do really like having a human character who thinks like a Digimon. That needed to happen at some point in the franchise.

Edit: Yeah, but I can't help thinking it's a reference to Shining Gundam, particularly since there's also a Rising Gundam, who has the same chest piece....

Edited by Copper Bezel, 05 September 2011 - 04:17 PM.

[Mugen no Ken]

Edit: Yeah, but I can't help thinking it's a reference to Shining Gundam, particularly since there's also a Rising Gundam, who has the same chest piece....

ShineGreymon also acts pretty well as a God Gundam homage, thanks to the way Glorious Burst is fired exactly like the Sekiha Tenkyouken...

...to the point Savers literally shot for shot recreates one key scene from G Gundam towards the end. (Not coincidentally, said Savers head writer wrote both of those episodes for both shows.)

[Lancer]

I'm kinda iffy on the Joruney to the West Digimon. I really, REALLY like Gokuwmon for looking totally badass and awesome, Sagomon is cool despite being a darker and edgier Shawujingmon. Sanzomon is a little too human compared to a lot of other Digimon. She literally has no monstrous features, but she's not a bad design. Cho-Hakkaimon, on the other hand, weirds me out. If she had more than just a school swimsuit covering her up (other than the pig armor), I'd be more okay, but as it is, she seems like otaku-bait.

[1stStageMidboss]

I'm kinda iffy on the Joruney to the West Digimon. I really, REALLY like Gokuwmon for looking totally badass and awesome, Sagomon is cool despite being a darker and edgier Shawujingmon. Sanzomon is a little too human compared to a lot of other Digimon. She literally has no monstrous features, but she's not a bad design. Cho-Hakkaimon, on the other hand, weirds me out. If she had more than just a school swimsuit covering her up (other than the pig armor), I'd be more okay, but as it is, she seems like otaku-bait.

Having looked them all up, I generally agree with you here. Given Cho?Hakkaimon's backstory, she really should have some sort of design cue from the general style of angel Digimon. I do like the pig armour though, it reminds me of the slime-in-a-puppet Digimon... Ex-Tyrannomon is still one of my favourite Digimon.

There should be a Sagomon vs. Shawujingmon episode of The Young Hunters Who Leapt Through Time.

Edited by Amadeus Windfall, 05 September 2011 - 05:05 PM.

[Tyranno]

Shawujingmon and Sagomon were both once Angelic digimon and they don't look holy at all.

Sagomon likely looks less monstrous and blatantly human because the mink Sanzo was literally just some monk dude. He's defined by NOT being spectacular at all. Makes sense his digimon version would follow suit, beyond being turned into a chick.

And of course Cho*Hakkaimon is otaku bait. This franchise has been swimming in fetish fuel for nigh on 15 years now.

[Lancer]

I kinda woulda wanted Zhui Baije to be represented by a big bulky boar dude.
I'm also pretty much okay with Sanzomon looking human and being a chick, because of Shinzo turning the character into a chick named Yakumo. Then again, Shinzo's version of Zhu Baije was a fat cat who turned into a lion, and Sago was a dragon dude and Son Wukong was a short guy with pheonix-themed armor.

@Proper Dave: That's exactly the reason I loathed Frontier. Especially since Tamers had some of the best/funniest Tamer/Digimon dynamics with Jenrya and Terriermon and Takato and Guilmon.

Edited by Spinner, 05 September 2011 - 09:26 PM.

[Ashley]

The weirdest moment in Xros Wars has to be the upgraded Lilithmon's talking bikini.

[Tyranno]

I kinda woulda wanted Zhui Baije to be represented by a big bulky boar dude.

eh. it wouldn't be digimon if they didn't think outside the box on one reference.