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@  PlutoniumBoss : (25 June 2019 - 10:12 PM)

It's like drawing someone in the "superhero landing" pose. It's just part of the cultural vocabulary at this point.

@  Arazyr : (25 June 2019 - 07:14 PM)

I can hear that post... *shudder*

@  B-Fox : (25 June 2019 - 06:09 PM)

So why does Cyberverse sound like . . . *that*?

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 04:05 PM)

Also, the theoretical new image would be a new compostion, it would just be individual bodies, or even just body parts, that are based on existing references by other creators, with the major caveat that there is more than one example for each reference so it's basically more like "following an established trend" than "copying someone's original creation".

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 04:03 PM)

Well, an homage is usually marked by a signature along the lines of "artist X after artist Y". I wasn't thinking about recreating something particularly memorable, just looking for reference images (just of a pose/perspective/layout) that looks like what I want, then finding more examples that just happen to look very similar, and it cannot be determined which version came "first".

@  ZakuConvoy : (25 June 2019 - 03:09 PM)

What you're describing is more an "homage" than plagiarism, really. I'm assuming you would be using different characters. It's basically like all the comic covers that homage the death of Supergirl cover from Crisis on Infinite Earths...but with different characters. It's not plagiarism, it's a reference. But if several artists have a memorable layout and are all using it, chances are it actually is referencing something memorably original.

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:56 PM)

Would that still qualify as plagiarism? After all, it could be argued that what I've recreated isn't that original to begin with since several other people have supposedly had the same general idependently from each other.

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:54 PM)

And I were then to create a new image, not traced but maybe "swiped", except I wouldn't copy a specific source image, but merely recreate the basic pose and perspective shared between all of them...

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:52 PM)

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@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:49 PM)

And out of sheer coincidence, they all feature very similar ideas, concepts, poses and/or perspectives, supposedly with none of the original creators having copied from one of the others...

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:47 PM)

Assuming I were to find not one but two, three, four or even more source images, all of them by different artists, or by different photographers depicting different models...

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:45 PM)

Just out of curiosity, a question regarding the concept of plagiarism:

@  Benbot : (25 June 2019 - 08:58 AM)

That game needs a remake

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (25 June 2019 - 08:57 AM)

I am Error.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 June 2019 - 08:17 AM)

There is no error. There is only Zuul.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (25 June 2019 - 07:51 AM)

The unicron singularity fixes all continuity errors.. including Power Rangers related ones now!

@  MEDdMI : (25 June 2019 - 07:06 AM)

I reject your canon and substitute my own

@  unluckiness : (25 June 2019 - 12:32 AM)

Answer: It doesn't matter because even if there was one, it was never relevant in S1 and it got blown up with his original body

@  PlutoniumBoss : (24 June 2019 - 10:55 PM)

Most people think Transformers canon is a series of discrete parallel lines, really it's more like a big ball of canony-wanony... stuff.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 June 2019 - 06:31 PM)

Hate to say this, but the simple answer is that you are thinking too hard and realistically, it does not matter.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 June 2019 - 04:57 PM)

Don't tell me what to do.

@  Paladin : (24 June 2019 - 04:16 PM)

don't cross the streams.

@  tffan01 : (24 June 2019 - 03:03 PM)

Or is this what AVP meant when he said that condradictory streams formed the JG1 timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 June 2019 - 02:25 PM)

I don't like that idea.

@  tffan01 : (24 June 2019 - 02:24 PM)

In Ask Vector Prime, it was mentioned that in the Beast Wars 2 universe, Convoys all have Energon Matrices and that when Optimus Primal from the Japanese Beast Wars stream was transported to the Beast Wars 2 stream, his history was subtly altered that he too possessed an Energon Matrix. What does this mean? That Beast Wars 2 is actually not canon to the Japanese Beast Wars?

@  MEDdMI : (24 June 2019 - 08:54 AM)

yeah, I've got a few others that I need to check out/get removed. The nose one is small but annoying since I hit it every time I blow my nose.

@  unluckiness : (24 June 2019 - 08:46 AM)

Try to get a histopath examination if it isn't too expensive over there. It's probably just a mole but I'd think certainty would be better.

@  MEDdMI : (24 June 2019 - 07:59 AM)

@unluckiness I know, plan to get it removed but gotta get an appt first

@  Gizmoboy : (24 June 2019 - 07:50 AM)

oops... typed that in the wrong field. :)

@  Gizmoboy : (24 June 2019 - 07:50 AM)

gizmoboy

@  unluckiness : (24 June 2019 - 03:18 AM)

That is not a good thing, especially in the long term

@  MEDdMI : (23 June 2019 - 10:17 PM)

So who wants to hear about this mole on my nose that I keep scratching open

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 June 2019 - 09:24 PM)

Yeah, it's kind of defeating the purpose of making political discussions more restricted if you're just gonna go at it elsewhere on this site.

@  Telly : (23 June 2019 - 07:06 PM)

that would probly fit better in the p & r thread. its there for things just like this

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:29 PM)

The citizens resisted by buying up all the town's beer reserves so the Nazis would have to stay sober the entire time.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:28 PM)

Meanwhile, congratulations civil resistance, part 2: So a group of Nazis were holding one of their Good Old Times Reenactment festivals in a small East German town.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:26 PM)

It's basically like an anti-Trump candidate winning Texas.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:25 PM)

The mayoral elections of Istanbul are considered to be a key indicator for the political climate in the entire country.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:24 PM)

This time, it was a landslide victory for the opposition's candidate.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:23 PM)

After president Erdogan had a court revoke the results of the mayoral election of Istanbul after the opposition party's candidate had won by a small margin, the election was repeated today.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:21 PM)

Congratulations, democracy part 1: Today is a historic day for Turkey.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (23 June 2019 - 02:31 PM)

Convert, does he timeout?

@  unluckiness : (23 June 2019 - 09:12 AM)

Did he form the feet and legs or the arms and body?

@  Patch : (22 June 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Nah, he was one of the Lions

@  MEDdMI : (22 June 2019 - 04:45 PM)

Is he a Shellformer

@  Nevermore : (22 June 2019 - 12:38 PM)

Supposedly it's about that football player Calvin Johnson.

@  Pennpenn : (22 June 2019 - 07:03 AM)

I'm vaguely confused why there is a Nicki Minaj song in my youtube reccomendations, but even more confused as to why that song (which appears to be from an official account) is called "MEGATRON".

@  Liege : (21 June 2019 - 10:03 PM)

Alpha Q all night long.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (21 June 2019 - 10:44 AM)

Only if you ask nicely, Silv.

@  RichardT1977 : (21 June 2019 - 09:42 AM)

1998 Zilla is the Gaijin era.


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#21 Ashley

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 03:16 PM

Yes he was. Where the hell is D-Arts Beelzemon Blast Mode?

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 03:19 PM

It doesn't look there will be any more Digimon D-Arts. Which is sad.

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 03:23 PM

QUOTE(Razorsaw @ Sep 2 2011, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It doesn't look there will be any more Digimon D-Arts. Which is sad.


We've seen prototypes for MetalGarurumon, Dukemon, Diaboromon & there was a pic of Beelzemon Blast Mode a while back.
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Posted 02 September 2011 - 03:25 PM

I was a fan of Seasons 1-3, but couldn't really get into any season after that. I have quite a few old digivices and electronic pet toys (Japanese ones), though, including a pretty cool toy version of Izzy's Pineapple laptop that you can actually plug some of the other things into and "analyze" them, unlocking the data on the laptop.

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 03:25 PM

They were probably cancelled because otaku really don't give a care about figures that aren't of girls.

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 03:26 PM

QUOTE(Paladin @ Sep 2 2011, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Razorsaw @ Sep 2 2011, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It doesn't look there will be any more Digimon D-Arts. Which is sad.


We've seen prototypes for MetalGarurumon, Dukemon, Diaboromon & there was a pic of Beelzemon Blast Mode a while back.


and we haven't seen them in how long?

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The need for accommodation isnít a ďspecial needĒ. Itís a basic human right. Itís a leveling of the playing field that allows us the same opportunities and chances as non-disabled people."


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Posted 02 September 2011 - 03:34 PM

QUOTE(Razorsaw @ Sep 2 2011, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It doesn't look there will be any more Digimon D-Arts. Which is sad.

There are not any on the horizon, but that doesn't mean we'll never get more.
Look how long it took to get a Vegeta out of figuarts.

Although, I was hoping Digimon would be the Kamen Rider of D-arts.
It still could end up that way. D-arts is a slow line and I don't think we know of anything beyond this year.



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Posted 02 September 2011 - 03:34 PM

QUOTE(Razorsaw @ Sep 2 2011, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Paladin @ Sep 2 2011, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Razorsaw @ Sep 2 2011, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It doesn't look there will be any more Digimon D-Arts. Which is sad.


We've seen prototypes for MetalGarurumon, Dukemon, Diaboromon & there was a pic of Beelzemon Blast Mode a while back.


and we haven't seen them in how long?


How long did it take WarGreymon to go from prototype to release?
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Posted 02 September 2011 - 03:36 PM

Yeah, they might not be cancelled. Just a reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallly slow release schedule.

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 03:37 PM

QUOTE(Paladin @ Sep 2 2011, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Razorsaw @ Sep 2 2011, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Paladin @ Sep 2 2011, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Razorsaw @ Sep 2 2011, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It doesn't look there will be any more Digimon D-Arts. Which is sad.


We've seen prototypes for MetalGarurumon, Dukemon, Diaboromon & there was a pic of Beelzemon Blast Mode a while back.


and we haven't seen them in how long?


How long did it take WarGreymon to go from prototype to release?


Not as long as MetalGarurumon.

And also, I missed this.

EDIT - I'd feel better about the delay on getting new figures if we hadn't seen Zero, Armor X, and Izanagi go from being conceptualized to being ready for release. We saw MetalGarurumon back at the same time as WarGreymon, and Dukemon over a year ago. It doesn't feel like they're happening.

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I would have agree with Sagomon just feeling like an un-needed rehash of Shawujingmon, but then I looked at their designs side by side and discovered they aren't just hueswaps.


It's not that their designs aren't different. I LIKE Sagomon's design. But his profile and attacks are either identical to Shawujingmon's or what he already has just with "added" bits.

His design is great. He'd totally work as Shawujingmon's more savage counterpart. But he's not and he isn't. That's what's disappointing.

Edited by Razorsaw, 02 September 2011 - 03:39 PM.

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 03:38 PM

QUOTE(Paladin @ Sep 2 2011, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Razorsaw @ Sep 2 2011, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Paladin @ Sep 2 2011, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Razorsaw @ Sep 2 2011, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It doesn't look there will be any more Digimon D-Arts. Which is sad.


We've seen prototypes for MetalGarurumon, Dukemon, Diaboromon & there was a pic of Beelzemon Blast Mode a while back.


and we haven't seen them in how long?


How long did it take WarGreymon to go from prototype to release?

Well, to play devil's advocate, Bandai does have a habit of showing stuff at toy shows and then not releasing it for years, if ever.
The SHowa Era Riders are the only ones I know that actually came out after disappearing for a few years.

edit: and the previously mentioned Vageta.

Edited by Silent_Magnus, 02 September 2011 - 03:41 PM.



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Posted 02 September 2011 - 04:15 PM

Anyway, because I thought it might be fun, and because so few people look at Digimon past Adventure or Tamers, I'd like to sort of do this thing where I look at later or less looked at aspects of the franchise.

Today's focus: The Olympus Twelve.

Also known as "The Twelve Gods of Olympus", they're the first (edit: MAJOR)* Ultimate/Mega level digimon group to be introduced after the Royal Knights. Just as with the Royal Knights, the Olympus Twelve haven't had their ranks completed, and Bandai has slowly been filling them in over the years. The Olympus Twelve are a group with equal power to the Royal Knights, though they maintain a neutral standpoint by remaining in the shadows instead of getting involved in incidents.

The first member of the Olympus Twelve to be introduced was Marsmon.



Marsmon was introduced in Digimon World 3, which was released at the tail end of Digimon Savers/Season 3. In this game, he was the final form of the newly introduced Bearmon, who was briefly known as Kumamon in the states before the name was reassigned to the Human Spirit of Ice. Marsmon set the standard for the Olympus Twelve being digimon of the "God Man" type, and as looking like generally humanoid figures wearing animal skins, pelts, or armor. He also established that they would all be named after the Latin forms of the Olympian Gods.

In terms of Bandai lore, Marsmon is characterized as a dirty fighter and combat expert, who excels in knowledge of all known battle techniques. His attack, Corona Sanctions, releases waves of fire from his burning body.

The three to follow were Mercurimon, Minervamon, and Neptunemon.



All three of these were first seen in the Digimon card game. Among them, Mercurimon went on to appear in Digimon Savers, where he was renamed "Merukimon" in the dub due to the fact that his name was similar to the existing digimon Mercurymon (in Japan, Mercurimon's name is derived from "Mercurius", and Mercurymon is known as "Mercuremon", the french word for mercury. Thus, their names were technically dissimilar).

Mercurimon/Merukimon is characterized as a fleet footed digimon who is only seen as an after image left in his wake. He can hit the enemy with a barrage of fast punches ("Thousand Fist"), or release spirits from his sword Aztec. Neptunemon, meanwhile, dwells at the bottom of the digital world's sea, "the "Net Ocean", and wields a sentient spear known as the King's Bite. Minervamon, however, is written as being very different from her mythological counterpart, and is stated to be childish with extreme good and bad moods. Her over-sized sword is called Olympia.

Though Mercurimon got a starring role in Savers, Neptunemon and Marsmon have only had minor roles in Xros Wars. Minervamon however...



Minervamon grew up. Into Mervamon, named after the Etruscan goddess that served as a basis for Minerva/Athena. Mervamon is less an evolution of Minervamon and more a transformation of her, taken after Minervamon matured (durr hurr hurr). In this form, she retains her sword as the "Olympia Kai" and gained a snake shaped, sentient shield by the name of Medullia.

Mervamon became a main character in the second half of Xros Wars.

Finally, we come to Apollomon and Dianamon.



Apollomon and Dianamon made their debut in "Digimon World Dawn" and "Dusk" for the Nintendo DS, where they served as the final forms of the games' respective mascots, Coronamon and Lunamon. They carried on the "animal" theme of their fellow Olympus Twelve members, but seemed to have dropped the "clad in pelts" design aspect. Apollomon is based on a lion and the god of the sun, while Dianamon and her evolution line take from the theme of rabbits and their connection to the moon. Further defining them as opposite numbers are the fact that Apollomon embodies fire while Dianamon embodies ice.

Apollomon has since appeared in Xros Wars, where the details of his appearance are a huge freaking spoiler. As for Dianamon, she and Minervamon are the only members of the Olympus Twelve not to appear in the anime (though Minervamon sorta did, with Mervamon as her proxy). Furthermore, they've never appeared together as a group, though Mercurimon was noted to be an Olympus Twelve member in Savers with the implication the others were off doing things elsewhere.

The future of the Olympus Twelve in the franchise looks bright, what with all of them being brought into the limelight by Xros Wars. The next Digimon Jintrix card set is advertised as containing new Olympus Twelve members, so we'll likely see their ranks added to come November. Will it bring out the remaining six? Well, we've been waiting five years now for those last two Royal Knights, so don't get your hopes up.

*EDIT - My bad; this originally said they were the first digimon group to be introduced after the Royal Knights, but this is incorrect. Other groups like the 4 Holy Beasts, 4 Great Dragons, and Seven Great Demon Kings were established by this point in the franchise as well.

Edited by Razorsaw, 02 September 2011 - 04:23 PM.

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 04:27 PM

Speaking of the Olympus 12,
I've been playing Super Xros Wars to practice playing Japanese games in preparation for Re: Digitize, and I just ran into Minervamon.

She's super annoying to a beginner in Japanese like me. She speaks in equal parts Japanese and English, and I can't always tell which one she's using because it seems like she's breaking the normal hiragana/katakana conventions.(Hiragana for Japanese words, Katakatana for foreign words)

I normally just skip her dialog.

Edited by Silent_Magnus, 02 September 2011 - 04:28 PM.



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Posted 02 September 2011 - 04:30 PM

One of those characters, then? Oy.

I'd be curious to know what details you could give on the storyline of Super Xros Wars. I have no idea what goes on in it and Lost Evolution.

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 04:38 PM

QUOTE(Razorsaw @ Sep 2 2011, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One of those characters, then? Oy.

I'd be curious to know what details you could give on the storyline of Super Xros Wars. I have no idea what goes on in it and Lost Evolution.

Haven't played Lost Evolution, but so far in Super Xros Wars the story seem to be about; liberating areas from ROG, restoring power to Sky Fort(the main base), and restoring Supadamon/Spadamon/Spardamon's memories. Although, it doesn't seem like I'm very far in.

Another annoying character in the game is Ballistamon. He speaks exclusively in Katakana. I guess it is supposed to make him seem more robot-y.

Edited by Silent_Magnus, 02 September 2011 - 04:38 PM.



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Posted 02 September 2011 - 04:42 PM

Aw. Ballistamon's a pretty cool guy in the show. Who are the "ROG"?

Also, what do you guys think of the write up. Is it worth doing more of them?

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 04:46 PM

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Also, what do you guys think of the write up. Is it worth doing more of them?



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Posted 02 September 2011 - 04:55 PM

QUOTE(Razorsaw @ Sep 2 2011, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Aw. Ballistamon's a pretty cool guy in the show. Who are the "ROG"?

Based on what you've said I can't tell if you have played it, but ROG seems like the main antagonistic force in the game.
If you're battling a Digimon in the main story(not side quests) they're probably a member of it.
From the dialog it seems like their leader* is a Zeed Millenniumon, and they're doing the normal evil organization thing of trying to destroy/take over everything.
Their plan involves the Weapon Digimon(Spadamon is one) and some Ancient Legendary Weapon(which is probably Spadamon).

Ballistamon happens to be my favorite member of Xros Heart. It is hard to resist bug robots.


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Also, what do you guys think of the write up. Is it worth doing more of them?


I personally didn't get anything out of it, but I think it is cool.
There are a lot of people that are completely clueless of that stuff.

*"Biggest Ultimate Boss" or something like that is how the minor level bosses refer to him. "Boss" being the only part in English.

Edited by Silent_Magnus, 02 September 2011 - 04:57 PM.



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Posted 02 September 2011 - 05:00 PM

ZeedMillenniumon, what are you doing? You had your own game series to be a boss of. Let someone else have a turn.

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 05:31 PM

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Also, what do you guys think of the write up. Is it worth doing more of them?


I enjoyed it, since the Digimon Wiki is all kinds of wretched.



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