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@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:17 PM)

That was a quality read. Both sides of that thread's argument went pretty crazy.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 02:11 PM)

"When Beast Wars made Optimus a monkey nobody complained" ~ someone desperate for a 'gotcha'

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:05 PM)

I want to find the rock they've been under that there isn't constantly complaining about something.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:04 PM)

For the lack if a better word, it baffles me when someone starts a discussion somewhere that's like "Does anyone else not like the movies?"

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

Careful, it might have something to say about that.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

I'm gonna have to check your opinion out real good to make sure.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 11:55 AM)

Oppinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, but mine is better so shut up.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

To clarify on point 1 since I was typing early in the morning again, "you must hate exactly what I hate" and "you msut like exactly what I like" aren't actually the same statement but they're the same thought process which is "my opinions are objective facts." If you see someone espousing one, they're probably thinking the other, too.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:57 AM)

... what.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 AM)

Andrusi, I imagine to some people online, there isn't that much of a world of difference, at least going by the venom they post; although not at RiD specifically.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 08:55 AM)

The scale of liking and hating is an interval one so you can not like something but not hate it. Pretty sure there's apathy and dislike in between there at least.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 08:07 AM)

And humans are perfectly capable of hating things in unison while being divided on liking.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:34 AM)

On the other hand, there's a world of difference between "I hate RID" and "I hate Nazis."

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:27 AM)

On one hand, "hating what I hate" IS "liking what I like." One of those cultures can't be worse than the other because they're literally the same culture.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:26 AM)

I think that comparison is both an oversimplification AND a meaningless distinction.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 07:16 AM)

That's the internet effect. Distance and anonimity make for easy and consequence-less extremism.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 06:58 AM)

I think the aggressive "How dare you not hate exactly what I hate" culture online is worse than the aggressive "How dare you not like exactly what I like" culture.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 06:19 AM)

And now that song/scene and its many many parodies are running through my head.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 06:18 AM)

Patrick Swayze didnt!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:58 AM)

lol. As long as they knock first.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

Or as ghosts. I guess ghosts would be acceptable.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

For now, I'd just find some small comfort in knowing those who have passed actually are in some sort of better place.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:56 AM)

I'd find comfort in knowing that one way or another, that suffering would eventually end and a new, potentially happier beginning awaits.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:54 AM)

@LBD At the same time, I can't imagine wanting to stay in even a happy afterlife when fleshies are still suffering.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:49 AM)

Celebrating and welcoming death just gives them more ideological hoops to justify killing others. So yeah, no thanks.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

The idea of death doesn't bother me so much as no longer existing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

at the very least, my body will feed the grass which feeds the antelope which feeds the lio- ....wait

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Yeah, that's kind of the thing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Some cultures celebrate/welcome death (of course, those also have some form of afterlife)

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

You shouldn't be. What with having absolutely no knowledge or control over it.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

Death is scary, which is why we either spend our lives avoiding the subject or staying up late overthinking it.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

"Never did want to live forever." I'm more bothered about what -- if anything -- is next.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

Though I think the brain is a finite storage space so you'd probably start forgetting so much after some point it'd be like a new person transitioning in every few centuries. That'd be a good reason to keep a diary.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:43 AM)

I think immortality is possible biologically in the future, or at least living for vastly longer spans of time. I'd personally be happy to live at least a few thousand years, but I'd aim for forever.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:34 AM)

@MEDdMI Oh man, that bugs me all the time.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:33 AM)

Well, yesterday was a depressing bout of thinking I was going to get TR Hot Rod and then not getting TR Hot Rod after all (among other things).

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

Which is also something that bugs me about the "your dead loved ones are always watching you" concept. Do you mind? I'd like a little privacy, please!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:30 AM)

Even if it was possible, I can't help but think people would skip to the "good" parts, like sex.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

exactly.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 05:21 AM)

Besides the fact that it's all silly sci-fi scenarios, you can't just experience a memory and feel what that person felt since you have your own set of perceptual biases by which to judge the event

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 05:19 AM)

We already have something like that. It's called history class.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:18 AM)

"But in my ancestor's memory, they stole our orange first!"

@  Nevermore : (26 April 2017 - 05:14 AM)

"Your great-great-great-great-grandfather stole my great-great-great-great-grandfather's apple! I will kill you for that!"

@  Nevermore : (26 April 2017 - 05:14 AM)

If we had all our ancestors' knowledge, too many people would just use that as a excuse to continue old grudges for generations.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:13 AM)

I remember the same event a bit differently than my parents do, some things I'm sure happened but they don't remember or vice versa, etc.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:12 AM)

the problem with knowledge and memories is that our brains interpret/fill in gaps so it may not be completely accurate. It wouldn't be much different from autobiographical books/movies.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:37 AM)

yeah...this could just end up as a way for them to sell our grandkids Crystal Pepsi Max

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:35 AM)

Well, maybe this facebook mind reading thing I've been hearing about is the first step to that.... though I have to admit I'd prefer if it weren't such an advertising and data-collection obsessed company working on it

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:25 AM)

i'm legitimately hoping for the day when that happens, my snark aside, TM2-Megatron. Imagine what could be accomplished if future generations had first hand knowledge of the thoughts and contexts of the events that shaped their ancestors', and their own, world?

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:24 AM)

Even if it's just a way to download knowledge and memories without consciousness from a brain, I think that would go a long way towards easing people's minds.


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#1 Luke

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 05:03 PM

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 05:43 PM

Pics of next year's TCC exclusives are up at TCC's Twitter Feed.

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 05:45 PM

That probably means no official Runabout/Runamuck in Generations for while. Not that I'm very interested in these, Wheeljack doesn't feel like he fits as a base all that well.

At this rate a third party company will be on them pretty quick...

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 05:48 PM

Man, I really wish that Drift was the free Club toy. I have no real interest in that Runabout. I guess he can hang out with my Cybertron version, or I could sell him...
Hopefully there will be some people who buy the Drift/Runamuck two pack who'd want to trade Drift for Runabout. Wait, they'll already have him, most likely, since he's the free club toy. Crap.

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 05:49 PM

So Classic style Runamuck (the white one), as member figure? Can we make him SG Runabout?

So SG Drift is Marvel's Deadpool?

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 05:51 PM

QUOTE(Octavius Prime @ Jun 4 2011, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, I really wish that Drift was the free Club toy. I have no real interest in that Runabout. I guess he can hang out with my Cybertron version, or I could sell him...

The way they did it is smarter/more devious.
You're getting one half of a duo for free. Interest in buying the other will probably be higher.
(Although, How do they relate to the Elite Guard storyline? I thought the three incentive figures after the nexus guys were supposed to be related.)

Edited by Silent_Magnus, 04 June 2011 - 05:52 PM.



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Posted 04 June 2011 - 05:53 PM

Not making one of the Battlechargers the Tracks version of the WJ mold seems like a bit of a missed opportunity for an easy differentiation.

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 05:58 PM

QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Jun 4 2011, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not making one of the Battlechargers the Tracks version of the WJ mold seems like a bit of a missed opportunity for an easy differentiation.

It'll be cheaper for them. of course the price for US will still be crazy high, but cheaper for the club

Edited by hupla, 04 June 2011 - 06:10 PM.


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Posted 04 June 2011 - 06:00 PM

Hahahahahhahahahahaha subscription figures.
Most Joe fans are outright condemning that idea, considering the service is incredibly expensive, for a LOT of toys, ordered not only sight unseen, but CHARACTER unseen too.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 04 June 2011 - 06:05 PM

QUOTE(Detour @ Jun 4 2011, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hahahahahhahahahahaha subscription figures.


It makes sense, that's what Mattel do with their He-Man line. Some fans WILL want to collect everything, and won't want to risk missing out.

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 06:09 PM

Yes, but that and SDCC exclusives are pretty much all He-Man fans get.


By comparison, TF and Joe fans get tons of retail toys, huge convention box sets, fan club membership figures, other figures to buy... and in this economy, after all those expenses, signing up for twelve toys sight unseen in incredibly unwise.

Someone on a Joe board really summed it up best:

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I'm the rare kind of enthusiast who, if he had the disposable income, would probably buy a subscription and just eat or sell at a loss those figures I didn't really want, even at $25 per.

But the pricing and the timing of this seems to indicate a total lack of economic awareness on the Club's part. Food and gas are taking much larger bites out of average folks' wallets these days, and responsible adult collectors aren't shorting those critical items (or their 401k contributions and kids' college savings plans) to buy more toys. Especially not high-priced exclusives.

Even if they're banking on the irresponsible/impulsive collector who doesn't mind assuming high-interest credit debt to feed his plastic crack habit, don't they realize they'll be competing with themselves next year when guys at or near their credit limits have to choose between this subscription and going to the Con or buying a homefront set?

It's just short sighted (you'd think they'd prefer to guarantee a more modest recurring revenue stream rather than bankrupting their target market in a single year) and, frankly, greedy.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 04 June 2011 - 06:21 PM

It's just an additional option though isn't it? No-one's being forced to?

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 06:24 PM

QUOTE(Detour @ Jun 4 2011, 06:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
By comparison, TF and Joe fans get tons of retail toys, huge convention box sets, fan club membership figures, other figures to buy... and in this economy, after all those expenses, signing up for twelve toys sight unseen in incredibly unwise.

Of course, as usual, Joe fans don't know squat aside from a "2 figure a month subscription service", coming in late 2011, and the first two will be Previously-cancelled-figures Arctic Scarlett and Nano BAT. I'm sure the Club knows they can't pull a Mattel and ask for a blind faith in such a service with an up front commitment. I'm personally expecting the first 1/2 to 3/4s of the figures to be revealed when the Club is ACTUALLY READY TO GO THROUGH with it, and probably a general idea of the rest.
Which is a hell of a lot more than what Mattel gives out.

And considering how much the Club stuff costs, I'm completely baffled by any "price issues" that might be brought up. If they are in the same ballpark as prior exclusives ($20-25 a figure basically), it is nothing new. Most are apt to be complaining because most still view the entire situation as "Hasbro's screwing fans over by letting FunPub make figures that SHOULD be at retail. For $5"

That said, I personally feel the Transformers fans are probably a better target for such a service (even though I understand that with Hasbro and Takara's current output, much more difficult than Joe). In general, the Joe collectors tend to come across as "cheap" while TF fans seem more apt to spend on higher ticket and exclusive items.

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 06:28 PM

QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Jun 4 2011, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not making one of the Battlechargers the Tracks version of the WJ mold seems like a bit of a missed opportunity for an easy differentiation.


Giving one Tracks' legs would make them less accurate in robot mode than they could have been. Their original toys both have the front of the car as their feet making Wheeljack the best version for both of them.

I think many people would prefer accuracy over change for the sake of change.

Edited by Bass X0, 04 June 2011 - 06:30 PM.

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 06:31 PM

QUOTE(Blueshift @ Jun 4 2011, 06:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's just an additional option though isn't it? No-one's being forced to?

"But I HAVE to get this obscure repaint/comic character or retro repaint for my collection! They should be available at Walmart RIGHT NOW for $5, Hasbro is totally screwing over the real fans that keep this brand alive!"

That kind of sums up the Joe collector response to that.

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 06:44 PM

QUOTE(Steevy Maximus @ Jun 4 2011, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Blueshift @ Jun 4 2011, 06:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's just an additional option though isn't it? No-one's being forced to?

"But I HAVE to get this obscure repaint/comic character or retro repaint for my collection! They should be available at Walmart RIGHT NOW for $5, Hasbro is totally screwing over the real fans that keep this brand alive!"

That kind of sums up the Joe collector response to that.

So, this is for the few hundred fans who can afford to buy anything and everything, then?

What kind of profit are they hoping to get on such a small production run?

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 04 June 2011 - 06:48 PM

But they're exclusives. The name of the game has always been cough up the dough or go home.

I get what you're saying, but even in these economic times, I fail to see how this is any different than any other exclusive in the history of the world.

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 06:56 PM

I don't understand the Fort Max question. 80 tools? What does that mean? 80 sheets of parts? O_o Are they talking about the G1 toy??

Edit--yeah, cross-checked with some other reports and it sounds like the question was for a Fort Max reissue.

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 06:59 PM

QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Jun 4 2011, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But they're exclusives. The name of the game has always been cough up the dough or go home.

I get what you're saying, but even in these economic times, I fail to see how this is any different than any other exclusive in the history of the world.

Because, as the post I quoted points out... the Club basically ends up competing with themselves.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.