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@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:35 PM)

But aside from the ending Trent and Siph made for them at FunPub, the 3H Wreckers comics kinda sucked.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:34 PM)

That's what the 3H Wreckers comics kind of did, actually.

@  wonko the sane? : (27 April 2017 - 03:30 PM)

So, what? The maker of the makers kinda thing?

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 02:55 PM)

My fanon is both the Quintesson and Primus origins. They're compatible.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 02:37 PM)

I prefer the profile book/movie interpretation of the Quintessons, a race whose entire purpose is to capture and execute those who escape Unicron.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 02:03 PM)

I like the Quintesson origin partly because it's a twist on the robot revolution cliche, partly because of the irony of a people uniting against their own creators just to fall into endless civil war, and mostly because i just really like the Quintessons themselves.

@  Diecast : (27 April 2017 - 12:03 PM)

I preferred the Primus origin until it became the more common origin, fiction wise.

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

Since the analogy to humans isn't perfect, it could also be interpreted as closer to "maternity ward."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

I think the most unfortunately named Transformer in their society would probably be Hot Spot, which is like having a human named "Placenta."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

Confusing, I bet.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:58 AM)

I wonder what everyday Transformer society is like where half the population are named after common objects and stuff...

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 April 2017 - 10:53 AM)

I bet Gears hates this.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 AM)

Naturally occuring gears! (hey, if bugs can do it...)

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:00 AM)

They're both better than the Primus origin.

@  unluckiness : (27 April 2017 - 09:56 AM)

The Allspark sucks. I much prefer the quintessons origin.

@  Dracula : (27 April 2017 - 07:23 AM)

I hate the allspark! That's why it's been the only TF forum I've bothered with for almost 10 years!

@  Robowang : (27 April 2017 - 07:13 AM)

As much as I pick on us, that's a really big reason why I like it here too. Plus the traffic isn't so heavy that anything you post gets lost in five minutes.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:00 AM)

The Allspark is one of the first Transformers sites I've been to where there's no weird hero worship of the staff or two or three staffers who are weirdly aggressive about certain transformers related topics and never fail to show it. This is probably the first site in my near two decades in the fandom I can post and not feel I'm a few steps away from falling afoul of some unwritten rule that will cause people to pile on, so yay Allspark.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

*pops in* "Hm, I wonder where the conversation has gone since last night..." *reads* "...huh. I did not see any of that coming."

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

*apart!

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

This board has provided me with the only RP campaign that didn't fall a

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 05:17 AM)

So what? We're disciples of Primus and they're disciples of Unicron?

@  lastmaximal : (27 April 2017 - 04:26 AM)

I'm really not surprised.

@  Nevermore : (27 April 2017 - 04:16 AM)

Well, the users over on TFW in return accuse the Allspark of being an elitist clique that ostracizes everyone who doesn't act like they do (i.e. civil), whereas TFW is more welcoming to everyone regardless of their views.

@  Pennpenn : (27 April 2017 - 03:23 AM)

Hard G. I don't give a solitary shit what the creators call it, the first word in the acronym is "Graphical". I have no idea why they'd think any sane human could, would, or should pronounce it any other way.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 03:13 AM)

I acknowledge what the creators say, but whether I remember to use their pronunciation or not is hit or miss. Heck, I think I usually think of it in my head as "gee-i-ef", in parallel to "JPG" and "PNG".

@  Waspinator : (27 April 2017 - 02:50 AM)

Let's heat things up: what are everyone's opinions on how GIF should be pronounced?

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:11 PM)

But I will say that a lot of fandom forums are generally more tolerable nowadays because most belligerent types stick to Facebook groups

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:09 PM)

I do like their hard no-politics rule. Now that I do the occasional freelance writing for some local politics and I like zero percent of it my hobby space now. But holy cow, do they replace it with neck beard drama.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 10:30 PM)

like Noideaforaname I posted on TFW for a while. I came here after I got harassed for daring to suggest that Play With This Too was run by unoriginal hacks, and yeah. This place so much more preferable.

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

And you're turning us on

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

The terrible secret of the Allspark: We all have this twisted fetish for rational thought processes

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

Not everyone likes everything, and people aren't blind to shortfalls or annoyances resulting from constraints of how the brand is handled. We make many a joke out of these things. But it's a rare thing when entitlement replaces logic on here, where that seems to be poster raison d'etre everywhere else.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:11 PM)

It's utterly weird how these here boards seem so impervious an oasis when it comes to that depth of idiocy. Worshipping 3p and demanding the official companies "step it up" and stop being so lazy? Insisting the movies be done THEIR way, crapping on every single thing revealed about the films or toyline, then whining that they can't find (insert hot movie to here) or the official release of a movie figure doesn't capture the look in the film they hated? Etc

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:09 PM)

It's not even a "brand pissing contest" or "board loyalty" thing, not least due to the fact that those don't really even happen here all that much. I'm just happy to be with levelheaded people who've outgrown the usual fan dumb tropes. You can have a civilized conversation here and people don't shit on things only to hide behind "but but but to each their own right?" when their myopic BS is challenged.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:07 PM)

With each time nonsense like this flares up on tfw or on local discussion venues (and it does quite a bit) I'm just reminded of why I've essentially been allspark bound for the last... Fifteen or so years.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 10:07 PM)

On the plus side, tho, TFW has "appreciation threads" for practically everything, even stuff like Kre-O and PCC. And their toy database is quite handy.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 10:03 PM)

I've been happily posting on TFW for years. Then, after being *here* for a few months, I look back and wonder how the hell I even bothered with it. I mean, my ignore list had hundreds of people on it. Literally HUNDREDS of ignored people. I even showed off said gargantuan list once (with a small thumbnail that you couldn't read any of the names on, mind you). That... that really should have been a warning sign, I suppose...

@  WorkbenchManiac : (26 April 2017 - 08:03 PM)

Thanks, I enjoyed reading the nerdrage. I should hang out over there more often.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 07:07 PM)

I mean, Reveal Your Shield. That gets complained about too.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 07:04 PM)

One of the reveal the shield news threads at TFW has movie fans and G1 fans arguing over who has it worse

@  WorkbenchManiac : (26 April 2017 - 06:49 PM)

You got me awfully curious. What thread ware we talking about?

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:17 PM)

That was a quality read. Both sides of that thread's argument went pretty crazy.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 02:11 PM)

"When Beast Wars made Optimus a monkey nobody complained" ~ someone desperate for a 'gotcha'

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:05 PM)

I want to find the rock they've been under that there isn't constantly complaining about something.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:04 PM)

For the lack if a better word, it baffles me when someone starts a discussion somewhere that's like "Does anyone else not like the movies?"

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

Careful, it might have something to say about that.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

I'm gonna have to check your opinion out real good to make sure.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 11:55 AM)

Oppinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, but mine is better so shut up.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

To clarify on point 1 since I was typing early in the morning again, "you must hate exactly what I hate" and "you msut like exactly what I like" aren't actually the same statement but they're the same thought process which is "my opinions are objective facts." If you see someone espousing one, they're probably thinking the other, too.


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Posted 26 May 2011 - 03:25 PM

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Prime Optimus with an ugly chest? I'm clearly missing something.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 03:32 PM

Yeeaaahhhh... San Diego Comicon Exclusives... Our 100,000,000th Movie Optimus figure (yawn) and that weak looking Deluxe-size TF:Prime Optimus in fancy packaging. Granted the packaging sounds creatively neat on both, but the figures themselves are REALLY boring IMO.

San Diego is the time to go all out with fan aimed weird and awesome stuff you wouldn't see at retail. Two more slightly tweeked Primes miss the point and lacks any excitement at all. G.I.Joe's getting much better, much fan geekier Comicon Exclusives this year. Weak Showing TF team.


ZacWilliam, really disappointed in these, but they DO open up funds to try and get that Joe Screamer/Cobra Comander set.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 03:33 PM

That toy looks worse everytime I see it.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 03:35 PM

If that's an SDCC "premium" version of Prime Prime with silvery paint instead of dull grey plastic, I'm into it.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 03:52 PM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ May 26 2011, 08:32 PM)
San Diego is the time to go all out with fan aimed weird and awesome stuff you wouldn't see at retail.


Right. Nemesis Prime, Rodimus, Soundwave, Destro, Starscream, and Cobra Commander are unique and fannish stuff you'd never see at retail.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 03:58 PM

QUOTE(Razorsaw @ May 26 2011, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ May 26 2011, 08:32 PM)
San Diego is the time to go all out with fan aimed weird and awesome stuff you wouldn't see at retail.


Right. Nemesis Prime, Rodimus, Soundwave, Destro, Starscream, and Cobra Commander are unique and fannish stuff you'd never see at retail.


The Nemesis Prime and Rodimus repaints we got? Yes.

Suited unmasked James with Mideval Warrior ancestor and /or Pimp Colored Destro? Yes.

Podium CC or CC with a Starscream Joe Jet? Yes.

Big G1 Reissue Cassette sets? Yes.

What do we get this year? Two Prime color variants among tons flooding the stores for the movie push. I repeat: Yawn.


ZacWilliam, the Joe team and Mattel are presenting SDCC exclusives as they should be.

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#7 Razorsaw

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 04:03 PM

So.

A version of a headliner character and his ancestor with the same name, that same headliner character in a funky costume, a very well known Transformer, and the evil version of Optimus Prime x2.

Oh yeah. And Soundwave, whose been reissued a hundred million times.

That's not uniquely fannish. It's using the well known characters. Uniquely fannish is stuff like what you get from Botcon. This is geeky, but geeky in the broadest sense of the word possible. Just like these 2 Primes.

Edited by Razorsaw, 26 May 2011 - 04:04 PM.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 04:09 PM

QUOTE(Razorsaw @ May 26 2011, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So.

A version of a headliner character and his ancestor with the same name, that same headliner character in a funky costume, a very well known Transformer, and the evil version of Optimus Prime x2.

That's not uniquely fannish. It's using the well known characters. Uniquely fannish is stuff like what you get from Botcon. This is geeky, but geeky in the broadest sense of the word possible. Just like these 2 Primes.


Again, the difference is those were unique versions of those popular characters with niche geek appeal that you would never get at regular retail.

These on the other hand are two of the same guy whose receiving a billion figures right now in just slightly tweaked colors that would and could 100% fit in on any retail shelf. I don't so much mind Prime as an Exclusive, but a borring generic Prime that isn't much different from retail is a waste, and TWO boring generic Primes in the same year?

The only thing that feels at all special about these is the packaging. That seems to be where all the creativity went. But I'm a Toy collector not a packaging collector. If the toy is dull a package that does a little dance and lights your birthday candle isn't making up for it, and thats what these are.


ZacWilliam, would have been less disappointed if only one of the exclusives was a paint tweaked Prime, but both? Blah.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 04:19 PM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ May 26 2011, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeeaaahhhh... San Diego Comicon Exclusives... Our 100,000,000th Movie Optimus figure (yawn) and that weak looking Deluxe-size TF:Prime Optimus in fancy packaging. Granted the packaging sounds creatively neat on both, but the figures themselves are REALLY boring IMO.


We've seen a Movie Optimus and the packaging for both?

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 04:22 PM

So they're taking a cue from Robot Masters G1 Convoy and LioConvoy then.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 04:50 PM

Borrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.
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Posted 26 May 2011 - 04:59 PM

Next year's exclusive should be WRECK-GAR as Motormaster!!!

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 05:16 PM

what I'm saying is, the SDCC exclusives speak to a broader appeal than, say, Botcon stuff. These two Primes are following that pattern. And really, I think more elaborate, better paint detailed versions of toys is something special that you can't get at retail.

Edited by Razorsaw, 26 May 2011 - 05:17 PM.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 05:52 PM

Expecting BotCon-style stuff at SDCC is a waste of everyone's time. It's an entirely different venue with different goals.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 06:09 PM


Oh, I don't expect anything Botcon obscure. But not incredibly boring would be nice.

See G.I.Joe or Matel's offerings for an example of SDCC exclusives worth waiting in line for.


ZacWilliam, there's ceretainly a difference between Botcon Geeky and SDCC Geeky, but slightly recolored Primes is lowballing any standard IMO.
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Posted 26 May 2011 - 06:12 PM

That's been like, over 50 % of the SDCC exclusives, dude.

And no, man, I can't consider Nemesis Prime as being much different. It's Prime in black. I LIKE Nemesis Prime and I have to admit that. It's painfully easy to conceptualize.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 06:25 PM

QUOTE(Razorsaw @ May 26 2011, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's been like, over 50 % of the SDCC exclusives, dude.


Well different standards. Generally I have found past TF exclusives interesting and cool and find these super dull and uninteresting. You're welcome to differ.


ZacWilliam, again, at least Joe and Mattel are hitting on all cylanders this year.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 06:28 PM

I got my copy in today.

It appears Fun Publications let it slip who Cheetor's partner is... HIGHLIGHT to view:
Sideswipe.

If you didn't already know based on the previous hints and rumors that is.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 06:33 PM

Also the DotM box is cool. Reminds me of a giant Alternator white bubble box with a flame slip case.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 06:56 PM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ May 26 2011, 07:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh, I don't expect anything Botcon obscure. But not incredibly boring would be nice.


If you saw the packaging for these guys, "boring" would be the farthest thing from your mind. You're only getting half the story.